BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer

Subject: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: GUEST,SueB
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 11:05 AM

Sorry for starting this thread as a Guest, but I keep forgetting to reset my cookie. There's an article on the BBC online about Bobby Fischer being held in Japan - the US govt wants to prosecute him for ignoring sanctions to play another match against Boris Spassky in Yugoslavia in 1992, and Japan is obliged to deliver him up under extradition agreement.

It's pretty messed up when you have to live life on the run for playing a game of Chess, now, isn't it!

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 11:55 AM

Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 12:20 PM

Fischer was the only chess player who ever got me reading the paper for chess news and re-playing the games and that was over 30 years ago. Amazing that his charisma still smoulders away in the public imagination - after all this time.

he always seemed like a tortured soul. Lets hope he finds some peace in his later years - as I hope we all do.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 01:16 PM

Fischer is still a U.S. citizen and he violated international economic sanctions that were in place at time against Yugoslavia, a country that was being run by Milosovic.   Fischer also has given several interviews where he has made numerous anti-Jewish statements. I'm not sure if "charisma" is the right word to describe him.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 02:49 PM

Ron:

I understand Fischer is an asshole, but still, SueB got it right: "It's pretty messed up when you have to live life on the run for playing a game of Chess, now, isn't it! " Even for an asshole.

A few years ago the feds dug the poppies out of the garden of an old lady who was a neighbor of my mother's. They were "correct;" poppies are illegal, but it's doubtful that they cut down on the drug traffic much.

There's the letter of the law, and then there's the spirit. As it says in some book, the letter killeth.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 03:19 PM

That isn't a good analogy Clint.   Did the "old lady" know that the poppies were illegal? Did the "feds" charge her with any crime, or did they simply dig up the poppies? I am guessing that the "old lady" grew the flowers innocently, and the feds went easy on her.

Fischer knew the consequences.    There were INTERNATIONAL (not just U.S.)economic sanctions against Yugoslavia and the criminal Milosovic at the time Fischer popped in to play his little game.   Fischer knew he was breaking the law, and he knew what the outcome would be.

If was purely Fischer's huge ego. Yes, it is pretty messed up to live your life on the run because of a game of chess.   The problem is, the responsibility is purely Fischers.   He deserves whatever punishment they give him.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 03:48 PM

I'm in favour of people playing chess with whoever they want to whenever they want to. To apply sanctions to such a matter is ridiculous. Sounds like Fischer was "playing on the Sabbath" to me. Maybe they could crucify him too, for this heinous defiance of public authority.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: GUEST,Blackcatter
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:00 PM

You'd think with the war on terror and all that crap that the U.S. gov. would have better things to do that screw with something to inconsequencial as this stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:02 PM

Another analogy that doesn't work. Playing on the Sabbath is a personal choice. Your violation is between you and your God, and even then you know the consequences. You make the choice if you violate the "playing on the Sabbath" rule and you deal with the consequences.

Sanctions against a country because of their human rights violations and the war they started with their neighbors is international law. You violate them, you pay the price.

Fischer thumbed his nose at the sanctions. His choice. His punishment.

While there weren't "laws" in effect against South Africa during apartheid, many people took offense at artists that played Sun City during the time.   During the fight for civil rights, we boycotted businesses that would not serve African Americans.   Bobby Fischer chose to play a game of chess in a country run by a criminal in a clear violation of the law.

When you defy public authority (which I agree with), you should be prepared to fight the rule you are protesting and be prepared to serve the time if you lose.   Fischer was a coward and chose to flee. He doesn't deserve sympathy or compassion.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: MudGuard
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:12 PM

Did he buy the chessboard for his game in Yougoslavia?

I do not see the connection between playing chess and economic sanctions.

Could someone explain, please?

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:21 PM

Fischer earned more than 3 million dollars for that match.   He could buy a lot of chess boards for the victims of Milosovic with that money.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:24 PM

I'm with Ron on this one. Fischer was making a political statement, and knew the consequences. When we oversimplify this (equating this to extradition for playing chess) we are allowing ourselves to be manipulated by Fischer. This is no better than allowing ourselves to be manipulated by the government. A hallmark of civil disobedience is that one must be prepared to pay the price for the act. Quite frankly, I am more puzzled by what Fischer was trying to prove with the act (Milosevic was a vicious dictator) than by the extradition.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: MudGuard
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:28 PM

So he took 3 million dollars out of Milosevic's economy - giving them practically nothing in return.

The economic sanctions were - as I assume - introduced to harm Milosevic's economy (and in consequence force M's regime to retreat).

In my eyes Bobby did harm to their economy by taking the 3 million dollars - so he helped with the sanctions. And now he shall be punished for it?
Seems very logical ...

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:30 PM

Mick, I don't really think that Fischer was making a political statement as much as it was his ego and greed making the statment. That match could have been played elsewhere, but he chose to take the best offer, regardless of who he was supporting or laws he was breaking.

Checkmate.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:37 PM

So, Ron, was man made for the Sabbath or was the Sabbath made for man? :-)

Which takes one back to the old debate about "the letter of the law" and "the spirit of the law"...laws are made to serve people, not the other way around. Those who enforce the law seem to often lose sight of that, thereby turning the law into a false god or an idol which they then serve in a robotic and unimaginative fashion.

Not that I don't understand your argument and Big Mick's argument, though. I do. I think it's a perfectly reasonable argument in both cases.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:45 PM

... and I understand your reasons as well Little Hawk. Laws are made to serve people.   In this case, I feel the law was perfectly legitimate, if not honorable, and Fischer should have obeyed them.

It is easy to wax poetic about "spirit of the law", but you need to look at the reasons for each one. I agree with your thoughts abotu law Little Hawk, but they don't work in this case.


And Mudguard, it is very easy to take money out of a country. It is also very easy to make a profit from war. Does that make it right to do so? I don't think so.

Yugoslavia did not "give" Fischer $3million out of the kindness of their hearts. They made the money back in terms of residuals and business earned by having the match in their country.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:46 PM

...and in my case the Sabbath was made for my radio show, bbq, and a little game of poker.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:49 PM

Heh! Well, this sounds like one more bizarre incident in the life of Bobby Fischer. He is a very strange cat. Too bad he couldn't be persuaded to appear on Howard Stern's show.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: open mike
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:52 PM

Who did he compete within this match?
Probably not a supported of Milosovich,
probably a citizen living under the rule of
the regeime. Perhaps to have brought the spotlight
on to the place where atrocities were occurring
was in the long run a favor to the people of
that country. Maybe he should be thanked....
Chess is based on military strategy, after all,
is it not?

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 05:14 PM

Boris Spassky, Russian. He did not live in Yugoslavia as far as I know.

That is a bit of a stretch don't you think Open Mike?

Checkmate.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 05:51 PM

Bobby Fischer was breaking the law only because George Herbert Walker Bush (daddy of the current Resident of the White House) made a special point of making it so. What goes around comes around, doesn't it?

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 05:57 PM

If Bush Junior wanted to make points he would issue a pardon on the spot. Bobbie Fisher did a great deal to enhance the American reputation in the world, which W unfortunately has not. Granted, Bobbie went kinda wonky there with his over-done eccentricities, but perhaps the same could be said of ole W. And at least Fisher demonstrated an affection for intelligence, the ability to use a brain rather than Bush's anti-brain dramatization.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 06:21 PM

Fischer-King to QB1
US- Rook to R1
Fischer- King to QR1
US- Rook(2) to Q1 ...checkmate

Japan was NOT wise choice, Bobby...you shoulda headed for the middle of the board..

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 06:25 PM

... bears an uncanny resemblence to Paul Robeson's transgression.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 09:54 PM

Boy, I sure hope the US Government takes as much interest in prosecuting Rumsfeld for his role in the prisoner abuse debacle. I could care less about Bobbie's chessgame, but Rummy is instigating torture against Iraqis and then filing charges against the front line G I Joe for doing what he was told. My guess is though, that he will skate along with Cheney and Dubya to a safe place to count their money.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 10:00 PM

Are we talking about the same Bobby Fischer? I'm rather amazed that this anti-semite is being treated so kindly here.

How can you describe him in the same breath as Paul Robeson?

Breaking the law ONLY because of George W. Bush????   It was a UN resolution that caused the ban.   In a press conference at the time, Fischer spit on the letter that he received warning him of his transgression.

Intelligent?   Most descriptions of the man describe him as a one-trick pony. He could not hold an intelligent conversation about anything other than chess.

Enchancing the American reputation???   How????   He was good at chess and theatrics.   If you are referring to enhancing the American reputation as racists and anti-semites, I would probably say Bobby did his share.

His anti-semitic comments started way before his "exile". He denied that his own mother was Jewish.   

During the early 70's he was caught leaving white supremist literature on peoples cars. He collected Nazi memorabila and studied Mein Kampf. He later joined a apocalyptic cult that would throw him out because he was too weird for them!!!

He gave a radio interview hours after the planes hit on 9/11 praising the attackers and wishing ruin on the U.S.   Granted everyone has an opinion, but he was talking out of his ass. Pure and simple.

He defied the sanctions, after being warned. Instead of being quiet about it he made a spectacle of it and defied the government to go after them. When the did, he cried foul and instead of fighting the charges he decided to run. Cowardice.

He is described by his FRIENDS as being paranoid and unstable.

This is not a man I would feel sorry for.

I'm am just stunned that so many people seem to overlook his transgressions and find a warm spot in their hear for him. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, but that does not mean that everyone else needs to support that opinion.

I may be too harsh on him. It does seem that there is some sort of psychotic problem here, and I hope he would get help.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 10:13 PM

He sounds like a very disturbed man. If he denied that his own mother was Jewish, then I must assume that he himself (according to the existing definition of "Jewish") IS Jewish, isn't he? If so, does a Jew have the right to make an anti-semitic statement? The mind boggles!

What about anti-Islamic statements? If making an anti-semitic statement puts a human being beyond the pale, then should one not be beyond the pale when the shit is flying in the opposite direction?

Or should anyone be beyond the pale?

It was considered totally beyond the pale in Nazi Germany to make an anti-Nazi statement. That is the precisely the kind of paranoid thinking that worries me. When one group of people sets themselves apart from the rest of humanity because they are so righteous, so specially chosen, and so martyred in the past that no one is ever again allowed to say "boo" about them or criticize their actions, then I am worried.

All of which, however, does not change the fact that Bobby Fischer appears to be a very disturbed man, albeit a great chess player.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 10:30 PM

just got back

No, I don't think the old lady knew poppies were illegal. Did you know they are? But neither do I believe that they thought she was running an opium den, not that digging up her flower bed would further the War on Drugs. They didn't notify her, far as I know, just moved in and dug 'em up. But they weren't going easy on her; there's poppies growing everywhere, including my front yard and they haven't been after me. Those poppy heads you see in the dried flower arrangements that Michaels sells are illegal too.

I just can't see a chess game as seriously interfering with the aims of the country, any more than I think I should turn myself in for that poppy by the garage. I guess that you, as a good citizen, could turn me in. And the Michaels chain of stores.

The analogy is that both situations are examples of officious and unnecessary enforcement of a law; it doesn't necessarily extend farther than that.

Wasn't meant to prove anything, just to explain my view.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 11:00 PM

Ron...I have no 'sympathy' for this confused, disturbed man....but I have a suspicion that we will get little satisfaction out of prosecuting him for being, essentially, an idiot who can see chess moves better than anyone else. He won't 'get' whatever penalty is handed down...maybe we want to have an object lesson, but it's gonna be kind of a hollow victory, unless we can confiscate some money or something.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 11:48 PM

BillD, the U.S. hasn't even said if they will prosecute him. I just checked the wires and the only thing he is being held on is a charge in Japan for trying to exit the country without a valid passport. Japan may deport him to the U.S., but it will be interesting to see what happens.

It may be a hollow victory. So is deporting 90 year old ex-Nazi prison guards or aging war criminals. Sometimes principle needs to stand for something.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:24 AM

nazi war criminals are not the same, morally, as idiot savant chess players.

Better turn me in on that flower possession charge & stay true to your principles.

clint

I won't go quietly.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:47 AM

He sounds like an Aspie to me. Why not let him live and let live? What he do that was so wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:54 AM

Clint, first of all, not all poppies produce opium.

Second, I never said that Nazi War criminals were the same as chess players. I do feel that 90 year old Nazi War criminals should be brought to justice and I feel that people who knowingly violated the sanctions against Yugoslavia should be brought to justice.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 01:16 AM

Intelligent?   Most descriptions of the man describe him as a one-trick pony. He could not hold an intelligent conversation about anything other than chess.
He is described by his FRIENDS as being paranoid and unstable.

Ron, l think he's a nutcase like a lot of the early chessmasters. Everything points to him being crazy. He did however break the law. Hospitalization, perhaps.

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: GUEST,clint keller
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 01:26 AM

I am informed that those big pretty poppies we used to call "Oriental Poppies" like those that grow by my garage do produce opium, and that the poppy heads in the dried flower arrangements do. California poppies may not. Does anyone here know for sure?

I think maybe I am not for the rigid enforcement of laws, and you are, and this is what we're arguing about.

My reasoning is that we must have a government of laws, not of men, but there still needs to be some flexibility, some room left for human judgement, because one cannot write laws that cover every circumstance. There is a difference in meaning between "legal" and :moral," though we hope to have as much overlap as possible.

And my belief is that moral trumps legal.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 01:41 AM

I can see the current administration wanting to make an example of him. What would prevent him from playing in Cuba? Bobby was a great Chess player but he was never much of a man. Compared to Fisher, John MacEnroe seemed mature.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 01:44 AM

Clint, you beat me to the ideal description of Fischer: idiot savant chess player. Ron, he might be an asshole, but be that as it may, that isn't why he's in trouble. And the things you've described aren't applicable to whatever court hearings he faces.

Considering all of the press lately regarding Charles Jenkins and his inability to visit Japan (extradition is a real possibility if this alleged U.S. deserter to North Korea sets foot in Japan) it is surprising that Fischer didn't figure it out. But as Clint says, in all other things but chess, he seems to be an idiot.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 02:08 AM

Opium poppy and another opium poppy.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Metchosin
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 02:22 AM

hmmm...how did Ry Cooder got around sanctions to record the Buena Vista Social Club?

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 02:57 AM

thanks SRS

I can't find any definite answers to the legal part, but what I've found is

1. Papaver somnium is the opium poppy.
2. You can legally own the seeds or the pods, but you can't legally grow the poppies.
3. Most poppies you see in gardens are opium poppies.
4. Even if you legally own some pods you can't legally make tea with them.
5. There's lots of places you can buy seeds and growing advice on the net.

I think Bierce spoke of "Father Antic, the Law," and a Dickens character said "The law is a ass."

there's probably material for a whole thread here.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: GUEST,Dylan
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 03:45 AM

Well some wee guy from America played a game of chess for $3m and is going to jail in the US for breaching UN sanctions. The land of the free. I think not. If it had been played in Isreal, during sanctions, do you honestly think the US would have asked for his extradition? Me neither.

But to jail some wee guy for being paid to play a couple of games of chess in Yugoslavia, get a life.
Did this have a detremental effect on your life? or in reallity did anyone die because of it?
Probably not.
Who cares if he plays a game in Cuba? I mean how many US citizens go to cuba for a holiday each year contributing millions to the cuban economy and how much do US businessmen make from Cuba each year. Much more than they would ever pay someone for a game of chess.

If he is not what we would call of the normal IQ score whats his chances of going to the nut hoose under the present system that you have in the US

So in reality why are the US govt persuing some wee chess player?

Me thinks he has a massive oil reserve in his garden and Messers Bush and Rumsfeld want it.
Well there is no other reason for it is there.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 04:40 AM

of course his ability as a chess player is why he's in trouble. Other than that, no one would give a tinkers turd what he did or believed.

I'm 55 now and since I was a twelve year old member of the school chess club here in England, I've been hearing stories of what a strange character this guy is or was.

someone like that can hardly be held responsible for his actions. You Americans (as a society) should have taken better care of him when he was a kid, and stopped him from getting so badly deranged. Instead he was a celebrity nutcase whilst still a child.

No wonder he has problems.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 09:26 AM

Clint, I thought I was clear about the fact that I DON'T think all laws should be followed to the letter. Of course there needs to be room for flexibility, and we have a write to protest the laws that we think unjust. I do believe that civil disobedience has a necessary place.

I do think that THIS law that he broke SHOULD be enforced.   The economic sanctions were created as an attempt to stop Milosovic and his brutal regime in Yugoslavia. I don't want to go so far as using the word treason, but what Fischer did was dead wrong. The fact that he was so blatant in his disregard, almost to the point of saying "catch me if you can", begs for the U.S. to enforce their threats.

Sure, you can compare this to Cuba and Israel. You can compare it to Iraq. When we ignore these sanctions, we negate the possiblity of them ever working.

Sure, he is just a "wee chess player". Milosovic has been dealt with and this "crime" is a distant past. Of course this is a litte transgression and it is perfectly alright to let bygones be bygones. Let's welcome Fischer back with open arms. I can see him doing the talk show circuit, bragging how he got away with this "crime". Then we also have a precedent for the next guy that wants to break a sanction. Let's ignore it and deal only with the one issue that seems to be on everyones mind. No other problems are worthy of attention at all, right?? Let's only focus on Iraq and Bush and everything else gets a pass.

Of course, based on the general reaction here on Mudcat (which shocks me), Fischer will get off with a slap on the wrist. All his "fans" will put him back on the pedestal, ignoring his many problems. We love celebrities, and one that is supposedly intelligent must be real attraction to many. I don't fall for it.   If he needs help, let him get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 11:06 AM

ok, creative punishment-- lets put him in a locked ward with a computer that only plays chess at a beginners level.

other ideas?

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:23 PM

"He should be brought to justice."

And what IS justice? It's the opinion of some group of people, that's what it is. One man's justice is another man's oppression. I laugh when I hear that pretentious word "justice" used so glibly in the media in regards to condemning and judging people, because it is so often and so egregiously misused by people intent on satisfying their own emotional agendas...which are usually agendas of fear, hatred, and vengeance.

These are not exercises in justice we see happening, but exercises in the uses of power. Those with the power deliver the verdict. Those without it watch helplessly, whether or not "justice" is served or thwarted in the process.

Most people are simply incapable of grasping the true measure of justice, because they lack impartiality and they lack compassion. That is why the Bible (and many other sacred books) strongly advises people not to judge and condemn other people.

Laws are needed in order to introduce a reasonable measure of order into a society and protect basic rights. To say that those laws are serving justice, however, is to give them a far greater dignity and power than is really generally within their grasp. The legal system doesn't serve justice, it maintains a set of practical checks and balances on human behaviour (which is necessary). It frequently commits what I would term gross injustices in doing so. The whole modern prison system is a gross injustice perpetrated upon humanity, and serves basically to train and harden lifetime criminals.

I'm philosophizing here...not referring in any way to the specific matter of Bobby Fischer.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 12:32 PM

Ron:

Well, I fold, for sure. You've listed all kinds of information I never knew about him, and it's plain I don't know what the fuck I am talking about here, so consider my remarks abouthis effect on American repute withdrawn.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Bo Vandenberg
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 02:03 PM

Ron I agree completely.

A 3 million dollar purse chess match is not a game it is a cultural event. Yugoslavia was being shunned by the world for moral reasons. If Fisher wanted to play chess he was free to do so, simply not in the turney.

Spitting on the letter from the government is just destructive.

Claiming in Austrailia that 9/11 was a good idea and that the United States needs to be destroyed is negative.

Spinning anti-semetic crap about the US being controlled by a jewish conspiracy is misguided and negative.


I would think it prudent for any country so treated to reassert its authority over such a citizen. If Fisher has a legal arguement, has a new citizinship he wants protection under, or has mental excuses he should make them in a court of law. I'm not a chess player but, I don't think he will get a terrible shake from the US legal system. He probably has enough money\connections to get a better shake than most of us here, under similar circumstances.

He seems (to me) sad, paranoid, unbalanced and under the control of some very nasty and negative histrionics. Nothing in the news has said anything about him being more than detained.

Its simply not realistic to say 'he only played a game of chess'. Aside from helping to create the illusion that Yugoslavia was a forward cultural center, he took part in a Multi Million dollar spectacle -- definately a business venture. If thats just a game of chess I better start playing.

sigurd

I'm curious about his state of Mind. I hope he's heard and I hope he's shown to be negative, bigoted and destructive (if he is as has been reported). Then I hope he pays for his actions.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 02:15 PM

Ron, I think it's time for you to name a few of your sources. You keep upping the ante when someone comes along with a more moderate view and suggests clemency--so you'd better give us someplace to assess this data of yours. Don't just tell us about it, show us where you're getting your news about Fischer.

Thanks,

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 02:21 PM

I now think that it would be even better if we could get both Bobby Fischer and Michael Jackson to get on the Howard Stern show...together.

Subject: RE: BS: Extraditing Bobby Fischer
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 02:49 PM

ohhh..LH... what a wicked mind!   I like it! ....but for balance, they should add Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter!