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Lyr Req: Haul Away Joe (Leadbelly)

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Subject: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Roberto
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 11:48 AM

I can't search the site, I think there's something wrong with the search engine, so, don't blame me if the song has already been dealt with. I'd like to get the text of HAUL AWAY JOE as sung by Lead Belly in the Folkways LP Bourgeois Blues (Folkways 7027, 1951), now on the Smithsonian-Folkways anthology CLASSIC MARITIME MUSIC. It is different from the version printed in the Oak Lead Belly songbook. Thank you. Roberto


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Roberto
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 05:09 PM

Here is my wild and partial transcription. Please, help correct and complete it. Thanks. R

Haul Away Joe - Leadbelly

Way, haul away, we'll haul away, Joe

Way, haul away, we haul for better weather
Way, haul away, we'll haul away, Joe

I kissed a little gal and her lip gon' a-quiver 'round
She says – Way, haul away, we'll haul away, Joe

Way down in Missi... when the boat was overflowin'
The boys say – Way, haul away, we will haul away, Joe

Way, haul away, we'll haul for better weather
Way, haul away, we will haul away, Joe

Down in New Orleans, there a big ship driving over to Mexico
Boys say – Way, haul away, we will haul away, Joe
Down in New Orleans up Canal Street
There the boys cry – Way, haul away, we will haul away, Joe

Way, haul away, we'll haul for better weather
Way, haul away, we'll haul away, Joe

(...)

Way, haul away, we'll haul away, Joe

When the boys all get tight and ... down
Way, haul away, ah, haul away, Joe

Way, haul away, we'll haul for better weather
Way, haul away, we'll haul away, Joe


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Roberto
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 04:10 PM

Generally, I accept it when I get no answer, and let the post sink down. But this time, I'm sure that there is someone somewhere that knows how to help me (get the text of Lead Belly's Haul Away, Joe), and I make this one and only refresh. R


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 05:44 PM

Don't give up, Roberto. Someone is bound to wake up and respond.

So the text for this song in the Oak Leadbelly songbook is different?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Roberto
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 07:18 AM

The discography in the OAK Leadbelly songbook says that the version published is from Negro Folksongs for Young People, while the version in the S-Folkways anthology is from Bourgeois Blues. R


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 07:24 AM

Hmmmm, so where does "King Louis was the king of France before the revolution" fit in?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: JennyO
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 07:31 AM

...not to mention the "if I didn't kiss the girls my lips would grow all mouldy" bit


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Roberto
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:06 AM

As you can see from my very rough attempt to transcibe it, it is not the known set, and the fact that Leadbelly sang complete different lines in the recording considered in the Oak songbook, makes me think all these were free lines. The only thing to do, is to listen to the actual recording. Being Leadbelly such a great singer and this site full of people interested in traditional and folk music, I do hope someone has the recording. Besides, the tune sung by Leadbelly is beautiful. R


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:42 AM

The verses in Oak which I have in hand do seem to come from a river steamboat tradition rather than the usual deep sea verses. It would not be surprising if the sailors "harvested" this shanty in a place like New Orleans in the 1840's and took it out to sea.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: GUEST,Displaced Camelotian
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:24 AM

Didn't Leadbelly learn many of his songs from Lomax's other recordings, and just sing them his own way? And isn't "Haul Away Joe" one of them?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:06 PM

It's theoretically possible that Leadbelly learned ALL his songs from Lomax and there were no real field recordings, but very unlikely. Is there a source for your comment?

I'd be perfectly happy to type up the Oak version if anyone would like to see it. It doesn't appear to be in the DT.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: TS
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:14 PM

...first she married a Newfie, he was fat and lazy..then she married a Caper, bloody Jesus damn near drove her crazy....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 11:12 PM

Charley, I'd very much like to see the Oak version, if you don't mind.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 11:23 PM

In response to Charley Noble, I would say that the only sources I have are experience and skepticism. Leadbelly was a traditional singer and musician whose approach to music had nothing at all to do with academic categories. When traditional singers sing, they sing what they like. It is difficult for me to imagine that Leadbelly would *not* pick up songs from the Lomaxes and sing them the way he wished. Since "Haul Away Joe" - to my knowledge - has not otherwise been collected from Afro-American singers, there is at least as much chance that Leadbelly performed it with his own words and melody. I believe that any assumptions about a Mississippi River tradition behind the song must remain just that - assumptions, at least until further evidence appears.

The biography of Leadbelly published a number of years ago might clarify the matter, but I have not had access to it.


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Subject: Lyr Add: HAUL AWAY JOE (Leadbelly)
From: Roberto
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 05:37 AM

Here is the text published on the OAK Leadbelly songbook (but please, don't forget to help me with the text of the other recording of this song by Leadbelly). Thanks. R

Haul Away Joe

Way haul away, we'll haul a-way Joe
The big Katy Adams sailing up the Gulf of Mexico
Way haul away, we'll haul a-way Joe

Chorus:
Way haul away, we'll haul for better weather
Way haul away, we'll haul a-way Joe

I'm sailin' up the Mississippi in the big Chief Adams

Chorus

Way haul away, we'll haulm for stormy weather

Chorus

I was sailin' up the Mexico and Hona-lu-la

Chorus

Way haul away for better weather

Chorus

I'm a-sailin' up the river in the big Chief Adams

Chorus

I think I heard the captain say boy, you better work in a hurry!

Chorus


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Lighter
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 08:00 AM

Thanks, Roberto. I'll try to find time this a.m. to listen again to the CD.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Lighter
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 09:08 AM

What I hear is:

...her lip(s) 'gin to quiver 'roun'...

...Way down in Missyrippi when the boats were overflowin'...

...up Canal Street, / Hear the boys cryin', ... (Spoken: Sea shanty boys is workin'!)

When the boys all get tight, some of 'em done gived out (Spoken: Or they're restin'!)...


Lead Belly's tune is weird and great. He seems to be making most of lyrics as he goes along. The lyrics of the "Oak" version are almost entirely different.

And, yes, "Missyrippi" is what the man sings!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Roberto
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 09:11 AM

Thank you very much, Lighter. R


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 12:43 PM

Nice work! And saves me some typing.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: leadbelly's haul away joe
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 21 Jul 04 - 11:34 PM

Leadbelly recorded HAUL AWAY JOE twice. One version appears on "Leadbelly Vol 2 1940–1943," Document Records DOCD-5227; and the other on "Leadbelly Vol 5 1944–1946," Document Records DOCD-5311.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Haul Away Joe (Leadbelly)
From: GUEST,Ryan
Date: 02 May 14 - 10:42 PM

Historical note (I realize this thread is long dead): the lips growing moldy and King Louis bit: I can't talk about origins, but the late and great Clancy Brothers of Ireland have definitely sung those lyrics. Youtube it; for they are as thunder. They are the lyrics that I grew up with, and it was only recently that I discovered that Leadbelly recorded this song.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Haul Away Joe (Leadbelly)
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 03 May 14 - 01:11 AM

John Masefield had the King Louis bit, for the first time in print as far as I can tell, in his _Sailor's Garland_. Masefield's chanty texts were rather fanciful; though we can't say that he did or did not pen that verse, he did create or tweak many verses according to his ideas about the chanty genre.

The verse then appears in Whall's 1910/1913 collection. In the start of the collection, Whall acknowledges having read Masefield. I have clear evidence that Whall, though a former sea captain, did also borrow lyrics from *books* he read — though I can't say one way or the other if that was the case here.

Then we have Terry's _The Shanty Book_ (1921) in which he praises Whall's work, and surely he read Masefield. Perhaps the combination of reading both of those gave him the feeling he could say that the King Louis verse never seemed to have been omitted. Of course, others will argue that Terry's mom's dad was a sailor and uncles, too, and he grew up in Newcastles, etc., so he was sitting there hearing chanties all day and he really did hear "Haul Away Joe" sung a lot… and the verse was "never omitted." I don't buy it.

On the other hand, Terry contributes the verse about mouldy lips, which would seem a more likely candidate IMO as something he heard IRL.

Both the "King Louis" and "lips" verses are completely plausible as "traditional" verses. But the fact that we see them more than one place - given the places we do actually see them - should not give the impression that they were standard or even necessarily common.

These three print sources are all by editors who were not rigorous in their presentations - who synthesized rather than documented. If, in the original documented sources like journals and travelogues we had these verses (I am not finding them), then we could call them more standard. But they're not there, and so they have the particular ring of the mediated / xerox'd stream of chanty practice.

The Clancy's, GUEST,Ryan, went on to create their Revival rendition from Terry's book (or from someone else who did the same), and so they propagated a cookie-cutter form.

In this light, Leadbelly's lines are in no way unusual or lacking anything.


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