Trying out HTML

Subject: Trying out HTML
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 24 Oct 98 - 08:13 PM

I'm trying this HTML stuff. The < pre > command looks good, but did not work for me the first time.

This time, I preformatted in Word Perfect and included the line breaks.

  Am          G         Am                      G                Am 
  It's a mighty hard row that my poor hands have hoed 
         C                                                   Em      E 
  My poor feet have traveled a hot dusty road 
  Am                                              G           Am 
  Out of your Dust Bowl and Westward we rolled 
                                                           C       Em          Am 
                 And your deserts were hot and your mountains were cold 

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Dave T
Date: 25 Oct 98 - 08:30 AM

Roger,
I don't use too much HTML stuff; mainly line breaks or paragraph tags. I've found Wordperfect uses paragraph tags to replace hard return characters. I usually use Wordperfect to replace the hard return character, [HRt] in WP,with an HTML line break followed by a [HRt] and save the file as text file, or simply copy and paste. Anyway, because of this thread, I think I'll go off and learn more about HTML.
By the way, I like your choice of songs. If you need the complete lyrics and chords, let me know.
Dave T

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Dave T
Date: 25 Oct 98 - 09:30 AM

Hi Again Roger,
Since my last posting, I've searched for some HTML tutorial stuff on the web. I'll try inserting the link through Yahoo in here:HTML Tutorials

. If the link doesn't work, try searching for "HTML" in yahoo and follow it through.
Dave T

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Test
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 07:35 AM

first line,
second line,
third line.

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 09:55 AM

I need to learn,C FYou teach me how to earn. C Try to kill the flame inside, GThat needs to burn. CI need to run, FNot to walk in line, C Take hold of this rough diamond,G CAnd make it shine. Not to pass some test, FBut to be my best, CTo be as good as I can be, GAnd not step on the rest. You teach me the how, FBut not the why, CYou teach me how to crawl, G CWhen I've wings to fly.

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 09:56 AM

I need to learn,C                               FYou teach me how to earn.                            C        Try to kill the flame inside,                            GThat needs to burn.              CI need to run,                          FNot to walk in line,                    C  Take hold of this rough diamond,G                     CAnd make it shine.  Not to pass some test,                      FBut to be my best,                      CTo be as good as I can be,                                    GAnd not step on the rest.  You teach me the how,                    FBut not the why,                          CYou teach me how to crawl,  G                              CWhen I've wings to fly.

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 10:07 AM

I need to learn,  C                               F  You teach me how to earn.                            C          Try to kill the flame inside,                            G  That needs to burn.                C  I need to run,                          F  Not to walk in line,                      C  Take hold of this rough diamond,  G                     C  And make it shine.

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: test
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 11:21 AM

1st Line

2nd Line

3rd Line

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: try again
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 11:27 AM

G D C R One two three four five.................six seven

D C R G eight nine eleven righteen one two three

R E Ab X One two three four five.................six seven

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: last time
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 11:36 AM

A E G R A

Oh gibe me a home where the buffalo roam

D F C A Where the deer and the antelope play

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From:
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 11:56 AM

A B A Green grow the lilacs,

A B A All sparkling with dew.

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 01:31 PM

OK, class, now try it with line breaks:

<br>

So far, we've bound that for posting chords, you have to use spaces, not tabs, to space the chords apart. As far as I can see, we haven't come across a completely reliable way to post chords over words here. The search continues. but ya gotta use the line breaks, whatever you do.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From:
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 04:47 PM

Oh ^Dgive me a home, where the ^Gantelope roam

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Dave T
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 09:46 PM

Oh well, back to the drawing board.

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Dave T
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 10:07 PM

One more time (the last worked when I viewed it form my browser, honest!!). This time I added the <br> at the end of each line within the <PRE> tag

  C    G               G7   C
  Miss Collins weeped, Miss Collins moaned
                       F
  to see her son Louis leave his home
  C      G          C
  Angels laid him away
  

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 10:15 PM

Hope you don't mind, Dave - I played around with your goofups. Looks like we've both come to the same conclusion. to make chords show up in the right place above lyrics, use the <pre> ... </pre> command, but be sure to put those <br> line breaks in at the end of every line. It appears that the <tt> command doesn't have any effect in this situation. I'm going to delete your mistakes, Dave, and leave only the perfect copy. Congratulations!
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Dave T
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 10:24 PM

Thanks Joe,
By the way, I know it's bad form to have overlapping tags etc. But is it OK to have <br> tag within the <pre> ... </pre> tags or do we have to format each line as follows:
<pre> ... some text ... </pre><br>
What do you think? Embedding seems to work fine.
Dave T

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 10:48 PM

Well, Dave, in this case, it seems to work best to have the <pre> </pre> commands at the beginning and end of the entire segment to be formatted, and it's perfectly fine to have several line breaks <br> in between.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Dave T
Date: 26 Oct 98 - 10:59 PM

Many Thanks Joe
Dave T

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 08:27 AM

Well here goes, this works fine in Netscape.

I need to learn,
  C                               F
  You teach me how to earn.
                            C        
  Try to kill the flame inside,
                            G
  That needs to burn.
                C
  I need to run,
                          F
  Not to walk in line,
                      C
  Take hold of this rough diamond,
  G                     C
  And make it shine.

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 08:29 AM

EUREKA! It works!

Thank you Dave and Joe.

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 08:33 AM

But I still don't understand why it works in the browser with the (pre)and without the breaks, when it will only work here with the breaks?

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: gargoyle
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 10:20 AM

Shambles -

Reading your chorded posting in: Netscape, or Explorer or Opera---- on my machine...it looks nothing like Dave T's. Most of your chords are not above the words, but thrown far out to the right.

Good luck, your "experiments" will help a lot with future posts and accuracy.

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 11:23 AM

getting curioser about this...trying it with the 'pre' command...

  Bb                                        F7  Bb  Tweedle-o-Twill, puffin' on cornsilk
  Bb                                                 F7  Tweedle-o-Twill, noddin' his head
  F7                   Bb  Sittin' there wishin
  Bb                           Eb  He could go fishin'
  Eb             Bb  Gettin' a thrill
  Bb             F7 Bb  Tweedle-o-twill  

ok...got it...I have ONLY true-type fonts these days..I need to enable a fixed space font in order to use this.. in the meantime, I can do the 'superscript' command to get pretty close, if I have to enter chords...

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 01:39 PM

I am more confused now.

My last posting is ok, isn't it?

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From: Pete M
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 05:33 PM

OK folks, lets have a try. Since Joe was kind enough to say the method I used worked, here it is in full.

First compose lyrics in a word processor using a fixed format, not a proportional font. Bill, the truetype font "Courier New" is fine.

Secondly end each chord line, and each line of the song with a hard return. (you could use a soft return, but that only makes life more complicated later.).

Position the chords on the line above the words using any actual printable character - a space bar character is fine!

Surround the lyrics part of the message with the

 and 

tags.

Finally do a global replace of the paragraph mark with the
tag

Example:

 

D 

Sal - ly free and easy 



------------Am-----D 

That should be her name 



D 

Sal - ly free and easy 



------------Am-----D 

That should be her name 



-------F--------C 

Took a sailor's lovin' 



--------------D 

For a nursery game 
 

Should do the trick, with spaces instead of hyphens for neatness. Hope this helps.

Pete M

(Of course knowing my luck this will come out totally screwed and will have to be resurrected by Joe!)

Subject: RE: Trying out HTML
From:
Date: 24 Nov 98 - 11:22 AM

one
two

three