Tech: Mozilla Firefox

Subject: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 05:59 PM

Are you using Firefox? How do you like it? What do you think are its strength and weaknesses?

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: open mike
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM

i have been using it for a while..
the only thing i see that is a prob. is that
when i search for soemthing it goest to the
firts thing it sees and when i look back for a list
of "finds" that the search engine located there is
not a page full of choices...there are 2 (at least)
ways to search...one is put the key words in teh text
box (large00at the top of the sindow) and the other
is a smaller box beside it which goes directly to google i think
i orignally looked ito it because i liked the logo and wanted
to see it up close, being a fire fighter and driving a vehicle
called a vixen , fox fire is my nick name on a couple of forums..
and fire fox seemed a natural for me!

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Mark Clark
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 06:37 PM

I've been using Firefox on my Dell notebook (Win XP Pro) for a few weeks now and really love it. Even those security and technical publications normally loyal to Microsoft are advising everyone to move to Firefox post haste because of all the security problems with Internet Explorer.

Firefox is, I think, much nicer than Netscape. There is an optional program called Thunderbird if you want to use their email too. I've loaded a number of plug-ins including one called Sage that manages RSS (Really Simple Syndication) streams in a very handy way.

Don't wait! Go for it.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Mark Clark
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 06:43 PM

I just saw Open Mike's note and should add that one of the available plug-ins is a Firefox implementation of the Google Tool Bar. No problems with searches and you get all the good stuff like search-within-site and the up-directory button. Good stuff!

Firefox also blocks popups.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: open mike
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 07:02 PM

another plug in you can add just for fun is a random name generator thingy which alternatively names the browser a different animal name each time you use it...sea cow, lightning jackalope, magic giraffe,
moon goat, etc.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: GUEST,Dale
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 07:04 PM

Another vote for Firefox. I like it a lot. It came right up with my bookmarks, preferences, etc. from Netscape. Only problem I have had so far is with Thunderbird, the Mozilla mail program. It failed to pick up my old mail and address book. It probably can be done, but call me too lazy/incompetent/busy/whatever to get it co-ordinated.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 10:50 PM

I loaded it on my work computer this afternoon (ver. 0.9.2) and so far I'm waiting for for the 1.0 release on Sept. 15. This seems like the best browser since Mosaic (which shows how old I am).

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Amos
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 11:37 PM

Firefox is a slightly thin cousin of Safari, which is a Mac-only browser that pioneered a lot of great features like tabbed browsing, snap-back pages, pop-up blocking and others. It is a really good browser, as is Mozilla itself. Both of these are lighterweight faster and more elegant than Netscape or IE.

A

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 12:05 AM

Friends dont let friends use internet explorer.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: open mike
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 02:18 AM

it will find your bookmarks and transfer them? how...
that was one of the draw-backs tha ti found that i
had to search for every thing allover again...
but maybe i dont/'that would be nice...

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 09:13 AM

It found my bookwarks and search history and transferred them WITHOUT removing them from Netscape 7.1, which is what I have been using whenever possible. Firefox also doesn't make itself your primary browser, and it also transferred my homepage correctly.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 09:19 AM

I'm using Mozilla (Firefox & Thunderbird) & it's great. Mozilla replaced Netscape 4.7 (really antique, that was)& I'm a satisfied customer.

Thunderbird email marks suspected spam & has never marked a real message, unlike the email system a Mudcatter uses - replies to my emails came back as SPAM re: (subject). Dunno what this Mudcatter uses, but I felt all rejected.

Occasional spam slips thru Thunderbird, but I just mark it spam & use Tools - 'Delete mail marked as junk' & off they all go.

I haven't yet used Firefox search so cannot comment on it. I'm still recreating my bookmarks after my laptop was upgraded with Mozilla, AVG & AdAware, but that was due to a crash, not a problem with Mozilla. I have added them by using links as most are folk links. Perhaps tonight I'll go looking for a few non-folk ones to see how the search works.

Sometime later this year I'll be replacing the laptop (Compaq) with a real computer - an iMac!! That will be fun AND I can use Mozilla's Mac version.

sandra

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: s6k
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 09:28 AM

Firefox is better than internet explorer.
some viruses are encoded into websites, so when you go onto them you will receive the virus due to the many holes in internet explorer that have been exploited.
Also, with explorer, you get pop-ups, and this is never a good thing. Firefox does not let any pop ups through (but you can set it to allow them on whatever sites you choose)

i am typing this to you now on firefox and shall not go back to internet explorer.
plus you can have multiple tabs open at the same time.. just click at the top to switch between websites.

Thunderbird is better than outlook express for the same reasons, it looks relatively the same, but emails with viruses in have musch less, if any chance to get in and it is a lot quicker and easier to use.#

GET IT, its free!

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 12:54 PM

Firefox is good as described above...but it also has the advantage of having LOTS of add-on helper extensions available.
Go here and read...then look at the extensions available (left side near bottom)...you wouldn't want most of them, but some are VERY nice, including the Google toolbar and various ways to help in customizing it to suit you....

(I STILL use Opera for many things, but Firefox is getting better all the time.)

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: gnomad
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 03:30 PM

Another happy user here. I found it very user-friendly for a technophobe, Bye-bye IE.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Rasener
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 05:54 PM

I can't get into my e-mail so am using Outlook express until I find the problem.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Mark Clark
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 06:58 PM

Mozilla Firefox doesn't include its own email client like Natescape Composer did. You can use Mozilla Firefox to access a webmail account like MSN but if you want your own Mozilla email client, you'll have to download Mozilla Thunderbird.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: mack/misophist
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 11:19 AM

Opera 7 is still my main browser, but for java and flash firefox is great. If you have a non standard installation you will need to make a link to SunJava but it will work.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 11:34 AM

Well today I suddenly couldn't get into Outlook Express kept getting the standard error message, so I too have now joined the Mozilla generation, seems a lot faster, and sharper on the Cat anyway. I'm still using Outlook express for my e-mail though, will make up my mind on that one after I've been using the browser for a while.
Giok

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: John Routledge
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 12:10 PM

Altogether better thought through than IE.

I now use both Firefox and Thunderbird having startd with just Firefox.

An IE shortcut which was on my desktop which has not been used since the installation of Firefox has been relgated to the unused shortcuts :0)

Cannot recommend too highly.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: treewind
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:51 PM

F1ref0x R0x!

One nice thing about it for me is I use it at home on Linux and at work on Windows. Same program, same Googlebar etc.

(actually the menus aren't exactly the same - Linux version has Edit | preferences and the Windows version has the same facilities under Tools... strange, maybe to emulate IE on Windows and Mozilla on Linux)

Anahata

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 06:48 PM

I'm on Mac OS 9.2 so I can't use Firefox (until I migrate to OSX), but I've been using Mozilla since Exploder (Exploiter, whadya wanna call it) all of a sudden decided not to work a couple months ago. It neatly and easily imported all my bookmarks from IE, does a much better job of saving passwords & other info, and has a really nifty tab scheme instead of opening new windows.

I love it!

Linn

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: hesperis
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 07:08 PM

I love firefox, especially with adblock and a few other favorite extensions. Can't stand thunderbird and it won't import my mail from Pegasus, although it's much prettier Pegasus still works better.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 07:23 PM

I love Thunderbird, no problem here. However, I did run into some problem with an older version of Mozilla, finally got rid of it and have been using Firefox, which has been working very well. The only I miss is Mozilla had some little icons in the lower left corner, inclduing a text box. I cannot find anything comparable in Firefox. Anyone have any clues?

kat

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 07:32 PM

Using Firefox, will try Thunderbird. Mr does like the MSN Games so he had to have a desktop shortcut for IE. Is Thunderbird free? Never could figger out Eudora

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: hesperis
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 07:58 PM

Thunderbird is free as well, but I'd recommend Pegasus (pmail.com I think) for email rather than Thunderbird.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: khandu
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 09:26 PM

I downloaded Firefox several weeks back & have not used IE since! I give it a "3-thumbs-up" overall.

It is much faster, smoother & generally better than IE & on top of that, I have not had one single damned pop-up since I installed it!

k

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: mack/misophist
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 09:30 PM

The only complaint I can think of is that not all the extensions will work with Firefox 1.0. And it's kind of ugly. But it's a great browser.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 10:06 PM

"The only I miss is Mozilla had some little icons in the lower left corner, inclduing a text box. I cannot find anything comparable in Firefox."

what were the icons for? And what did the text box do? Firefox allows you to put toolbars and other things at top, bottom, side, floating...

and if you hit ctrl F, it gives you a find-as-you-type text finder at the bottom...

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: MudGuard
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 04:07 AM

There's a security update available for Firefox (new version is 1.0.1), you can download it from http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/all.html

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 04:22 AM

MudGuard - Where exactly is the download page? All I could find on that link were updates for previous versions of FF and assorted general info. I have version 1 and would like to get this download, so would appreciate further directions. Thanks!

Kat - or anyone - can you tell me where the "un-do" facility is in Thunderbird? I have the preview version, so am hoping there IS one.

If I download the newest T-Bird will it obliterate all the emails & stuff I already have in the files of the current one (as new Outlooks do)? Not knowing the answer to this question is why I haven't upgraded it already.

I'll be grateful for any help - Many thanks.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 04:34 AM

I followed that link (thanks MudGuard) and got a big list of downloads for FF on three platforms x many languages. Not all language versions have been upgraded to 1.0.1, but no doubt they'll all catch up soon.

Also if you go to www.mozilla.org/firefox and click the "Free Download" link at top RH corner you'll get the latest version for your lanuguage and platform. (check it says 1.0.1)

It retains all the settings from before - I don't know if Thunderbird does the same but I'd expect it to, and thought it also imported all the settings and mail folders when installed over Outlook/OE just as FF imports all your IE settings.

Oh - just looked - my Googlebar has gone - maybe that was a result of choosing to install over the old one instead of a new directory. I'll soon have that back though...

Anahata

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: MudGuard
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 04:45 AM

Bonnie, I don't understand your problem.

The page I linked IS the download page.

The page lists lots of Languages and for each language three links to for downloads (for three different systems).

Find the line for the language you want your Firefox in, check that the version in that line says 1.0.1 and then click the link in that line that is appropriate for your operating system.
After a few seconds you should get prompted what to do with the file.
Save it to disk.

When the download is finished, close your firefox and run the Firefox installer that you have just downloaded.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: treewind
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 04:48 AM

... GUEST above is me - the new FF lost my Mudcat ccookie, of course.

Anahata

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: MudGuard
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 04:51 AM

Hm, funny. I still have my cookie - despite the update ...

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Mudlark
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 02:11 AM

I appreciate all the favorable Firefox input...I am very happy with my Netscape 4.77, but can access less and less as time goes by. Unfortuantelly, I'll have to upgrade to OSX on my iMac in order to download FF. And I've been putting that off for some time. People who fear change should not mess with computers!

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 02:25 AM

Let's see, Bill. If I remember rightly the icons were for opening the browser email, a text box, like a notepad, for writing things to post etc., and a couple of others which I never used so I don't remember what they were for. (I want the text box back most of all. Our firewall dumps Roger's postings on a Venezuela site everytime he hits the enter button and it is driving him nuts. He turns off the firewall and forgets to enable it, again, and that drives ME nuts!**bg**)

I still miss Eudora, but the T-Bird is great anyway. I, too, have had no problems with pop-ups, etc. And, T-Bird did keep all of my info from previous email programs.

Thanks, all!

kat

Bonnie, what do you mean by "un-do?" In T-Bird there is an undo function under the Edit button. Hoep that helps.:-)

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: mack/misophist
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 09:57 AM

The Firefox security update may be unnecessary. See today's The Register (here)

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 10:12 AM

I used to use Mozilla some, and I'm sorry, I don't remember a 'text box' within the browser. If I wanted to compose outside the browser, I used Metapad (I keep it's icon just visible in the corner.)


" Our firewall dumps Roger's postings on a Venezuela site everytime he hits the enter button and it is driving him nuts." ...If I understand the grammar of that- *grin*- you are saying he is TRYING to post to a site in Venezuela, and that the firewall won't allow it. I don't know what firewall you use, but you should be able to configure ANY firewall to allow the site you choose. Somewhere there should be a list of sites you trust & don't trust.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 10:58 AM

Hi, Bill. Thanks for the link. We use Norton Personal Firewall. The site Rog actually posts to is an off-shoot at salon.com with VZ as the subject. Anyway, I have gone into the firewall and set everything I can find to allow that site, including pop-ups, in a desperate attempt to clear things up. Everytime we try to post a "test message" it comes up with 403 Forbidden message. It's not a problem if Rog disables the firewall, but he forgets to enable it after, so he getsin trouble with me!

In clearer terms, he opens a "comment" box at this site; types in his message; hits enter and, if the firewall is enabled, he loses the entire posting. THEN, he swears like a trooper, a, until now, very rare event when it comes to Rog.:-)

I will just direct him to your link and see if he can get used to using it, in the meantime. Thanks, again!

kat

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 11:02 AM

Oh well, neat program, Bill. Just tested it. At least it will save Rog from losing everything, but so far, he will still have to disable the firewall in order to post. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 12:10 PM

hmmm...if disabling the firewall allows posting, then obviously some setting is interfering. Weird.....not having used Norton for 6-7 years, I can't even test it. Maybe someone else knows the trick...

Glad you like Metapad...it is fast and handy. It is sort of a lean little word processor with a 'just' enough tricks to deal with 84.426% of your quick editing without openin *WORD* or some other slow giant. *grin*

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 12:14 PM

(I see posting there is done thru a pop-up...if there is ANY note, listing or label in your Norton list which says anything about "RCS.salon", I'd experiment with it)

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 12:52 PM

Thanks, Bill. What firewall do you use, then?

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 01:13 PM

I use Kerio...having tried one other which "didn't play well with others" and demanded IT not have other apps doing similar jobs..

Kerio has a super mode which you have to pay for, but I let that expire, and just use the free parts. (The paid version does "web filtering" which is what the free Proxomitron does pretty well, so I don't bother)

There are a couple others which do about the same job, but I am kinda settled in with this one now.

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozelle Firefox
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 08:50 PM

I use EditPlus as a general purpose text editor. It's cheap, and having lost the registration key several times due to HD problems etc, they have emailed me with the details promptly once I identify myself. It also is extremely advanced - multiple windows, etc plus the ability to edit any computing language - you can have language specific references which are loaded in so that it will highlight for example HTML code, and you can see instantly where the errors are. Also you can insert code proforma chunks and fill in the bits eg a link to a URL.

http://www.editplus.com/

Subject: RE: Tech: Mozilla Firefox
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 08:54 PM

oops..

EditPlus is an Internet-ready 32-bit text editor, HTML editor and programmers editor for Windows. While it can serve as a good replacement for Notepad, it also offers many powerful features for Web page authors and programmers.

Syntax highlighting for HTML, CSS, PHP, ASP, Perl, C/C++, Java, JavaScript and VBScript. Also, it can be extended for other programming languages based on custom syntax files.
Seamless Web browser for previewing HTML pages, and FTP commands for uploading local files to FTP server.
Other features include HTML toolbar, user tools, line number, ruler, URL highlighting, auto-completion, cliptext, column selection, powerful search and replace, multiple undo/redo, spell checker, customizable keyboard shortcuts, and more.

As the original Mr Scrooge in buying software - preferring freeware - I have bought this - that should be some sort of personal recommendation!

Robin