BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War

Subject: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 11:12 PM

Well?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Amergin
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 11:14 PM

He must have one....he is the peace president after all....maybe it is for Halliburton to export all the citizens and import their workers in....I hear they're even going to change the name to Halliburtland.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 11:29 PM

Iraq will become the fifty-first State. Simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Amos
Date: 04 Aug 04 - 11:58 PM

Empty the prisons by using the empty troop transports which bring the 55+ reservists into theatre to take all the prisoners from Iraq back to the US and give them amnesty and greencards to work, thus lowering the cost of US labor and making this great nation more competitive in world trade!! Brilliant? Or what!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Peace
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 12:36 AM

It is, Amos.

E-mail 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. They need to hear this.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: DougR
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 01:18 PM

Simple. Kill all the terrorists before they kill us. Nothing secret about it though, that's what he's always proposed.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Amos
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 02:26 PM

"all the terrorists" is an orful loose and open-ended set, DougR -- the will to kill "all the terrorists" is pretty murderous. Does that include the apprentices who have, for example, only served as kitchen hands? The academics who write essays as thier contribution? OR do you suggest a due process for trying and convicting those guilty of actual acts of "terrorism". If os, what acts? Making faces? Theft? Conspiring? Actual murder?

The point is that you are opening a real can of worms with your facile prescription. It opens the door to murder (already committed in the name of anti-terrorism) and other crimes, as well as the degradation of civilized standards.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: GUEST,Don Firth--cookie comes and goes (???)
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 05:35 PM

Actually, it's so secret, even he doesn't know what it is.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 05:37 PM

I know but i am not telling!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 06:34 PM

DougR-
If you're looking for terrorists, why do in in Iraq? How about Saudi Arabia? or Florida?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 07:41 PM

Kill all the terrorists before they kill us.

Brilliant. Except for one thing. Every time we kill a "terrorist", we create about a dozen new "terrorists". So if we use your man's war plan, DougR, it looks like we're going to eventually have to kill everybody. No problem I guess. Humans are a plague upon the earth anyway. Mother nature will probably be happily rid of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 07:58 PM

Doug,

I'm sure you are on to something. But I'm pretty sure that Bush is a step or two ahead of you. He is at least up to "Kill the terrorists before they become terrorists." He may actually be up to "Kill the terrorists before they get the chance to think about becoming terrorists." Certianly as Carol has hinted, he is well past "Make them into terrorists so that we can kill them."

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: GUEST,Don Firth sans cookie
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 08:18 PM

You know that state of lucidity that you sometimes feel when you're waking up in the morning, but you're not quite awake yet: that state where suddenly you have the answer to all the riddles of the Universe? And it's so ridiculously simple that you can't understand why you didn't see it before? But then, of course, when you're fully awake, you can't remember what the answer is? Well, I recently awakened to one of those states. Only this time, when I came fully awake, I remembered The Answer.

The solution to the terrorist problem: Why don't we find out why they're so pissed-off at us and see if we can figure out a way to stop pissing them off?

Nah! Dumb!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: GUEST,Jaze
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 08:40 PM

I've been wondering the same thing, Don. Surely even the most patriotic American must realize that this country has policies that are not always on the high road(think Abu Graib?sp). Granted, the terrorists don't take the high road either. But someone with intelligence should realize that it's time for a dialogue. I don't beleive they just "hate us". There are reasons. It's a shame that the United Nations never seems to "do anything". Look what's happening in Sudan. We need a world body with balls that will tackle humanitarian and political problems decisively and quickly. I can dream, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 10:41 PM

DougR,

Please tell me how to identify a terrorist so that I will be sure to kill the right folks. Don't want to break any eggs making this omelette, or should I not be worried about that? Wish my feeble brain could grasp the simplicity of all this.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Aug 04 - 10:48 PM

Well, Dougie has a good heart... Brain? Different story... But he and Bush have really pondered this question and are presently considerin' killing everyone on the planet to put an end to terrorism...

Awww, jus' funnin' wid ya, Big Guy...

Now come on over here and get a hug...

No, Doug. No hugs fir W unless he resigns...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: DougR
Date: 06 Aug 04 - 01:46 AM

You guys are something else. Think about what you are saying! I don't know a terrorist from a shoe salesman! Neither do you! That's why we have experts in the Defense Department, State Department, CIA, FBI, and other governmental agencies. They do the identifying. When they are identified, though, they should be killed as one would swat a fly.

Do you think for one minute they wouldn't do the same to you? If you're answer is no, ask the relatives of those who lost their lives in multiple terrorist attacks since the 1990's against Americans what they think.

Wake up for Christ's sake!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Peace
Date: 06 Aug 04 - 02:15 AM

Doug: Have you seen the documentary, "9/11"?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Amergin
Date: 06 Aug 04 - 05:16 AM

Great DougR maybe they should start with the Republicans....

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Aug 04 - 01:25 PM

DougR, I think you're the one who needs to think about what you're saying. It just isn't possible to kill all of the terrorists. It just can't be done. But what can be done is to try to correct the problems that help to create terrorists in the first place.

You're fix isn't a solution to the problem. You're kind of fix actually makes the problem worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Aug 04 - 01:26 PM

(ahem... your fix)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Aug 04 - 03:43 PM

Ditto, CarolC... Killin' just ain't the answer... All it does is lengthen the terrorist recruiting lines. Kill one and three recruit... Plus it sends an undeniable message to the world (terrorist included) that killing is okay...

No, Dougie. What you do is good police work. Had Bush done this rather than have the US military invaed two countries then we'd still haver tht rrespect of the world and our intellegence would be a lot better than it is now. Kinda hard to get good spies into places that yer at war with. Not impossible but hard... This is the very reason that we need out allies more than ever. Thru them we can start to get the kind o intellegence that is needed in tracking down folks who are planning bad deeds. (All of them, Bobert?) Well, no, but more than what we are doing now...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: GUEST,Cookieless Don Firth
Date: 06 Aug 04 - 05:10 PM

If you're being attacked by wasps, it doesn't help much to hit the wasps' nest with a baseball bat. Nor does it help to hit the wrong wasps' nest.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Amos
Date: 06 Aug 04 - 05:33 PM

It was a lack of intell that made this whole problem seem extreme in the first place as I said back in September 2001.   

Invading en masse, as we did, is just using the last wars' solutions for this war, never wholly sound. Bush' gang missed that point somehow. I think Colin understood it but he was pushed around by th Wolfowitz Blood and Thunder crowd.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Aug 04 - 06:06 PM

Doug,
Is that the ssame CIA and "intelligence" experts that little bush now says gave him the wrong information in the first place?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Peace
Date: 06 Aug 04 - 07:10 PM

Political animals do NOT admit error. They assign blame and then proceed to implement solutions. That way, we all forget wht went wrong in the first place.

Canada has a peron in the Post Office who seems to have had an expense account on which he signed all the cheques. To the tune of $2000000 over five years. The receipts seem to have gone to the cleaners with his suit and the Canadian people. So, we will implement a system whereby someone else signs the cheques in future. I don't doubt that he will not serve any time, and he will not be made to pay the money back. I know that's small potatoes on a world scale, but it is an indication that we all have something very wrong with our governments. These people do not want to serve their country; they want to get what they can and screw the rest of us. Not a revelation to me, but rather it's a discomforting thought.

When a CEO of a major company becomes the VP of a country, and the company then gets contracts in a war that he helped engineer--well, am I the only person who thinks the picture is a bit fuzzy?

And the American people are considering voting for these thieves? Hard to believe. Very hard to believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Amergin
Date: 06 Aug 04 - 11:52 PM

Brucie, that is ok when their republican....but if a dem or anyone else tried that they would be skewered...its that liberal media bias...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 12:08 AM

Thank you, Amergin. Thought I needed glasses again.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:34 AM

"I don't know a terrorist from a shoe salesman! Neither do you! That's why we have experts..."

                              The Doug Man

Thanks for that really good guffaw there, DougR.

Maybe to get a grip on all this, you should purchase and actually read, the 9/11 commission's report on all this DougR.

The bad news is, our EXPERTS (as you charmingly refer to them) don't know a terrorist from a shoe salesman either.

The good news is...

Well, I guess we'll just have to wait that baby out and see.

Maybe the good news will be Bush out in 04. Maybe the good news will be our economy will recover from Republican mismanagement by the time my children's children start having children. Maybe the good news will be that we throw the current corrupt, barely functioning electoral system out the window and get a grip on what representative democracy requires of us, and then actually DO IT.

One thing I do know is the current Republicrat strategy of "kill all the terrorists before they kill us" is one that the evangelicals love, because hey--the End Days are near anyway, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: freda underhill
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:41 AM

the "experts" are beginning to realise they actually need to develop some expertise...

because Intellegence is being referred to like it is evidence.. and so people are demanding evidence, not opinion. Can the intelligence community rise to this challenge and become.. professional?

can the political community stop using intelligence as an excuse foir their own failures?

and will millard fillmore.. oh, never mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Nerd
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 12:02 PM

Whaddaya know--I'm with GUEST on this one! (Though I dispute the existence of "Republicrats.")

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: DougR
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 12:55 PM

Guest: I AM reading the 9/11 report. One thing I have gleaned, so far, is the government employed many people who share the majority opinion here on the Mudcat. Misguided, typical liberal thinking.

Carol C: As an admirer of terrorists (Example: Arafat)I really question your objectivity when you are advisising about how terrorism should be handled.

Bobert: oh, your just Bobert and you espouse the same old things you always do. Bush is at fault, Bush is at fault, Bush is at fault! Some folks could gather from your comments that you REALLY don't like Bush.

Amergin: thank you again for those kind statements about the political party you love to hate.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:23 PM

Carol C: As an admirer of terrorists (Example: Arafat)I really question your objectivity when you are advisising about how terrorism should be handled.

DougR, that was beneath you. Actually, no. It would appear that nothing is beneath you. You'll just say any old thing to get a rise out of people. Too bad I can't refresh that old "beat the breathalizer" thread you started as a "joke" a few years back.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:29 PM

...but here's the opening post for anyone who is interested. I'd say this is a pretty good example of why we shouldn't take you too seriously about much of anything:

Subject: Beat the breathalizer?
From: DougR - PM
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 05:36 PM

In view of the fact that the Labor Day holiday weekend in the U.S. is one of the busiest for DUI patrols, I thought it might be interesting to find out if anybody has a sure-fire way of "beating" the breathalizer. This subject came up in a discussion among friends at my local Pub last night. One suggested that if you hold a copper penny under your tongue when you blow into the breathalizer, it will foul up the reading. Another said eating peanuts before taking the test will allow you to pass with flying colors. Someone else suggested that chocolate will do the trick. Any other ideas?
I hope no Mudcatters in the U.S. are subjected to the test this weekend but it might be a good idea to be sure you carry a copper penny around with you.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:36 PM

Here's the deal. The Commander-in-Chief is one of the most
thought-of prestigious jobs in the world. You get to do it by
going to war.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 02:33 PM

DougR,

Stop being an ass and saying things you cannot back up.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 02:50 PM

The hard ground truth, Dougie, is that your boy murders and lies for profit. Unless he has stopped for the time being. We have vocabulary for that sort of thing.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 03:05 PM

DougR:

Despite my many differences and the occasional argument (OK, full-fledged war) with CarolC, I will state uncategorically that she has NEVER supported terrorists, regardless of whose 'side' they are on. That was NOT a nice thing to say (imply) about her. She argues on behalf of a disenfranchised people. That is a bloody long way from her being a supporter of terrorists.

Bruce M

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 03:44 PM

Thank you for recognizing that about me, brucie. I appreciate that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Peace
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 04:20 PM

You are more than welcome, Carol.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: rick-APX4a
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 06:25 PM

dick greenhaus.
While you're at it, don't lets forget Sicily.
Uk thought they where a small island with big ideas, but lets face it, they're half the size of the Uk, with more control, and they got the backin' of the Pope!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: rick-APX4a
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 06:49 PM

Freda Underhill.
Did you know? The definition of the word EXPERT. EX- as in hasbin, and SPERT- being a drip under pressure. Just like to clarify this point.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 08:27 PM

For once, Dougie, you are not only "right" but also correct. I don't like Bush...

But I like you... Any points fit that?

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Bert
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 08:40 PM

All the terrorists! That's not just the Arab ones then Eh Doug? So we'll go to Northern Ireland next then, and after that maybe Brittany and Spain and Wales and, and....

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 08:46 PM

Now don't go getting my buddy's head spinning with no geography questions... Just kill the terrorists and leave it at that, if you will...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 07 Aug 04 - 09:37 PM

Doug, they haven't even defined "terrorist" in a way that excludes people who simply differ with Bush.

Oh my. I actually typed that before I thought. I see now.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Secret Plan to End the War
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 08 Aug 04 - 01:09 PM

Killing terrorists is one thing. Knowing who they really are is another. In 911, the "terrorists" came from Saudi Arabia and Egypt. They were probably part of the Wahabi sects that insist on a fundamentalist narrow religious interpretation of the Koran. Their big problem as they have stated repeatedly is the intrusion of foreign troops on their land. Ideologically, they have the same
deterministic views that can be found in many of the fundamentalist Right-wing groups in America. Their "Second Coming" however involves immediate violence rather than letting "Jesus do it".

Whether they think they can destroy America is another idea. What they seem to want is a kind of autonomy. The question remains is that are they being financed by some wealthy people in the House of Saud?

Bush has no plan to end the war. He wants to progress to Iran and then Korea. The administration has made that plain.

Frank