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Subject: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 06 Aug 04 - 06:01 PM It is slow to get here, slow to come up when ya click a thread, slow to post. It loses cookies and loggin on again takes three or four tries. Anyone else with this problem, or is it just Alberta? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Scooby Doo Date: 06 Aug 04 - 07:02 PM I am having the same problem i thought it was my computer over heating |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Bill Hahn//\\ Date: 06 Aug 04 - 07:18 PM ditto NY/NJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 06 Aug 04 - 07:50 PM This is NOT a BS topic... if anything it's Tech... http://help.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=2649&messages=9 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Jeri Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:00 PM I can get a Mudcat and a specific thread to come up very easily...every 5th or 6th try. Otherwise, I get: While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm? (And I wind up cookieless.) Or, it just times out. Something is BAD broke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:28 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Augie Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:30 PM As a (cookieless) guest who has been known to lurk around the Mudcat site, I have also noticed this problem, especially recently. It is worth the wait, however, once the screen does pop up, wouldn't you agree? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Dave Swan Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:40 PM I'm sure that a lot of this could be helped if Max could replace the coal fired drives and servers which hold the 'cat together. Reach for your pockets, folks. Contribute to the Mudcat. This is a freebie supported by Max, a busy and generous man. D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:41 PM CH: Did you notify tech or should I? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:42 PM Wasn't slamming the site, Dave. Just having some difficulties and wanting to see if others were, also. Pax. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Dave Swan Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:53 PM Not taken as a slam in the least, Brucie. Just another chance to remind folks to give, that's all. Pax, D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:57 PM I'm not slamming the site either, but the way it runs now is a frigg'n JOKE! What did I say on another MB on the subject??? "Folks... this is what's been wrong with mudcat... blah blah blah... this is what would fix it... blah blah blah... this is how much such things would cost.. blah blah blah... These are ways we could try to raise that money.. blah blah blah... Your suggestions are welcome... Signed Max" Would be a GREAT post to see! However I also said, I'm NOT holding my breath so actually SEE such a post... And well, I wanna also see a receipt so that I KNOW any money I did maybe donate went to The Mudcat and not to paying Max's' rent, phone, beer, whatever fund... And well, as I said elsewhere there are MILLIONS of message boards and chartrooms in cyberspace that operate just fine without any money from me... Why does Mudcat need to BEG in order to maintain basic functionality??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Jeri Date: 06 Aug 04 - 09:58 PM This likely doesn't have anything to do with Max's equipment. A little birdie told me the area was hit bad with storms and tornadoes on Wed night, and some people still don't have power back. It could be that all the glitches are from damage or even the repairs that are being done. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 06 Aug 04 - 10:44 PM Click on your upper bar STOP
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 07 Aug 04 - 02:52 AM This cat don't beg, Clinton... it busks! ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,M'Grath of Altcar Date: 07 Aug 04 - 05:10 AM probs here in UK too. :( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Mr Red Date: 07 Aug 04 - 05:24 AM because we have been feeding it too much! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 07 Aug 04 - 06:19 AM CH, I know Max well enough to know that this is his baby, and he puts as much into it as he can afford to. Why he puts up with a bunch of freeloading cheapskates is beyond me. Especially those who do little around here besides piss and moan all the time! The man is doing the best he can with what he has to work with, and all those other great sites that you are always chirping about probably havn't had his run of bad luck, and they are probably not being run by one man of modest means. Old Maine proverb: SHIFT, OR GET OFF THE PIKE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 07:02 AM Hey folks, if you appreciate The Cat, and Max's work to keep it sweet, do what I did, dip your hands in your wallets/pocket books/purses/piggy banks/cookie jars etc., and send the man a few bucks. If you want to piss and moan for free, there are other sites. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Scooby Doo Date: 07 Aug 04 - 07:08 AM I was not complaining just remarking that we seem to be having problems and i thought it was at my end with my computer over heating as its very hot in the room my computer is in situ.But i would be happy to help out financially if thats what may happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine Date: 07 Aug 04 - 08:40 AM I haven't been able to get on for a couple of days now. I think the complaints are coming because it's so disappointing when it happens. (Or fails to happen.) They (the complaints) can thus be seen as an inverted compliment to Max for captaining a ship on which so many like to sail. Kendall - Wouldn't getting off the pike involve shifting anyway? If so, shouldn't it be "shift AND get off the pike"? What's a pike? Sounds painful. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Bobert Date: 07 Aug 04 - 08:41 AM Well, Iz sure this is gonna get this ol' hillbilly all jumped on... but is this really a money issue? I mean, sometimes the Catbox is a little sluggish and get over it. Did it get over it because someone sent in 20 bucks to feed it or did it get over it for some cyber-reason beyonds most of our abilitiies ti unnerstand? Not that I haven't sent a few buck in now and then 'cause I have but if the slowness is for some unknown cyber-thing them why turn it into a fund drive? Why not just say "Hey, danged if we know. It does this sometimes", if that is the case. You see, if that is the case then emptying wallets might not fix that particular situation... I would think that if money were an issue that Max would just make a plea, most folks would send in a few bucks and life would be good. But I don't think Max would gum up the Catbox without warning so others could pass around the donation bucket... Am I wrong? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 08:50 AM Are you ever? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Bobert Date: 07 Aug 04 - 08:58 AM Well, Giok, where's the last thread from MAX with a progress (unprogress) report asking for dough? I don't remeber one recently and I ain't got no crystal ball either... Every time he's asked for monry since I've been here, I think he'll be the first to tell you that I've sent some. So if that's the story, someone better start telling folks and nor assume that folks just happen to know the situation. And keep in mind that there are new folks who come in every week who don't happen to know anything at all... Like they teach in Dale Caragie Sales Training; "Don't be afraid to ask". Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 09:06 AM I was just being facetious in my last post Bobert. The last time MAX had a problem he did say, and it wasn't that long ago, I know I sent some bucks then, and the UK Friends of Mudcat via Gareth, sent some too. I know what you mean though about the assumption that there are techy problems when the site goes slow, and that it's down to lack of money. I myself sent Joe Offer a line, and he told me about the weather in Max's area. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 09:46 AM People have been sending Max money to fix the problems for years. The problems never seem to get fixed. Which tells me Max doesn't love Mudcat as much as everyone keeps proclaiming. If Max was willing to do what is necessary to maintain the damn site, he would be doing it by now. But because so many people here feed his dysfunctionality by appreciating him just enough to keep getting the internet junkie fix, nothing changes around here. Plenty of us know what it takes to maintain a website. In this day and age, that knowledge isn't something restricted to a high priesthood, no matter how much the luddite in denial faction around here wants to believe it is. This place is just a sub-standard, shoddy, second rate website people. Deal with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 09:53 AM Ooh er Mrs! Sounds like someone has rattled that old tarts cage. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:01 AM I disagree. The Mudcat is lots of things, but second-rate/shoddy it is NOT. Sometimes shit happens. That is why I started this thread. If shit happened, just say so. If it is a computer problem or programming problem, say so. If it's just one of those things, say so. If it's a need for cash, say so. A question is not a complaint, and my question wasn't meant to be taken that way. If anyone did, bite me. Incidentally, it is workin' jus' fine now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:05 AM Talk to me in another thread like this two years from now brucie, when the same shit is still happening, you aren't getting any reasonable explanations for it, and anyone who criticizes Max/the site gets flamed and their IP blocked for speaking truth to Mudcat power. You are still a new kid on the block. You may even believe that the Digital Tradition has value as a legitimate source for music scholarship. Some people believe in the tooth fairy too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:08 AM BTW brucie, over time you will also begin to realizing that demanding that Max tell you what is wrong ("If shit happened, just say so. If it is a computer problem or programming problem, say so. If it's just one of those things, say so. If it's a need for cash, say so.") gets you pegged as one of the troublemakers. NOBODY gets away with issuing challenges to Max, and NOBODY gets a timely, reasonable, sensible explanation of what is wrong with the website. What is wrong with the website is that it is owned by Max. It really is that simple. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: freda underhill Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:13 AM ..meanwhile, back at the ranch... thanks for the thread brucie, yes, my mudcat was mudcatatonic for the last couple of days, and the chat room was having earthquakes occasionally and throwing us out. but yes, its fine now, and there have been some good posts about too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: JennyO Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:21 AM Oh, you're THAT GUEST. There's only one troublemaker around here, and it ain't brucie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:36 AM You bet sweet-ums. Glad to see all of you sending money to Max to fix the problems has worked out so well for you. Suckers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:47 AM Guest - it is Max's sandbox. If you don't like it, leave or build your own. Some of us are having a lovely time with our pails and shvels. Why is that such a personal offence to you? Nevermind...I really don't care. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Bill D Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:57 AM 8 years of this misery now, and I hope for 8 more...*grin*. (one does wonder why 'ol "Guest" keeps coming back. Maybe he/she is like some auto-racing fans, who go not to see who can drive the fastest, but to watch for wrecks.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 12:27 PM Definitely got a grudge, will whoever upset him/her originally please stand up, I have a medal with your name on it. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Jeri Date: 07 Aug 04 - 12:36 PM No. I think she simply knows she can get a rise out of folks. I haven't had any problems today at all. I think the power and phone companies must have fixed Mudcat for us. Thank you, power and phone guys! I have sent you a fairly large donation this month, but frankly, if your lines keep going down whenever there's a little thunderstorm or tornado, you can forget it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 12:41 PM No grudge. Not even any antipathy, despite you all needing to believe there is. I REALLY DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT HAPPENS HERE. I know it is so hard for all of you to believe that people can actually consistently use this website and not really give a shit about Max, or most of you losers who falsely worship him so you can keep your main internet fix going. But there are people who do just that. We use this website like we use any other website. We haven't made friends, family, connections for life, or any of those warm and fuzzy justifications you people use for sending your hard earned cash to someone who isn't using it for the purpose for which it is intended. So, you all have settled for second rate. Some of us haven't. I use the site, but that doesn't mean I have friggin' emotional attachment to Max, the site, or the majority of it's users, most of whom I find to be dull, isolated know nothings. There is some interesting banter to be had with the few intelligent, interesting people who still come here, though I will admit, those conversations are now pretty rare. So I too am reduced to amusing myself here with the entertainment value that comes from observing the many village idiots (it's SO easy to feel superior here!) that inhabit the place. And believe me, when one is bored and in a procrastination state of mind, this place does entertain on the village idiot level. Next! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:14 PM Guest... get a life... This is NOT a thread for Max-bashing... Ken... cry me a river... Modest means? Bad Luck? Life sucks... get a helmet... His Baby? It seems more to me like he's hidden it away in his basement and is trying to forget about it... There are solutions to Mudcats cash-flow problems that don't require begging, and that would address a lot of the shit-storm of the problems on all sides... (The tech and the 'personal') Brucie... 2nd rate doesn't even begin to describe the tech aspects of Mudcat... nor the quality of most of it's posts... especially of late... Sell a yearly 'memebership'... But give those who buy one something in return... Lemme think.. one such play I frequent did this and the 'members' got avatars, signiture fils, custom posting titles and a couple of other unnecesary but fun perks, as a way of saying thank you... Ya right... Mudcat can't hardly run text-only as it is... I shudder to think how sluggish and crashy this place would be with images... or the whinning that'd go on from stone-agers still on 28.8 dial-up modems... But for instance, Mudcat could look and function as well as say the Message Board at Ringbearer.org... could... and it's run by people of modest means, who have had runs of bad luck... And it's run well... I make suggestions because I see it as the only way of helping out... and I AM interested in helping out! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:19 PM Questions, How the hell do you know what Max does with the donations, and how the hell do you know how much is donated? If this is like Public Radio only about 10% of the listeners donate. The rest are freeloaders who have no right to run their mouths about shoddy service" As far as I'm concerned, both of you malcontents can fuck off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:23 PM All I can say is that if GUEST would relinquish his anonynity, and if Max were the litigous type, I think he would have pretty good grounds to sue GUEST for slander. Methinks you overstep the mark GUEST, and such accusations under the cover of anonymity, is the action of a coward. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:24 PM Clinton, you and I know the answer to the "Why is the 'cat so SLOW?" question is: Because Max owns and runs the website. Now, you can take that as Max bashing, or you can take it as I intend it--as the truth, without any frou frou bullshit to dress it up and make it more palatable. The reason why this place is second rate is because that is the way Max runs it. I don't make any value judgements on him personally. I judge the book by it's cover here. It isn't that tough to figure out, after you've been here for awhile, that Max has no intention of changing the set up, and that no amount of money being sent to him that remains completely unaccounted for, is going to change it. People send Max money, without him even asking. All Max has ever said is that he will never give an accounting of how he has used the money people send him. It is painfully obvious he hasn't used the money to fix the problems. If he had, this wouldn't be a second rate website, now would it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:29 PM People who use free websites on the internet aren't freeloaders, they are site users, and the vast majority of websites are free. There are free websites that run beautifully, and then there are amateur hour, rinky dink, half ass attempts at offering a free website, like this baby. I don't give a rat's ass how much money you all send Max. I don't give a rat's ass what Max does with it either. All I'm saying is, it is obvious Max isn't committed to running a good quality website, because he isn't running one. That is as plain as nose on his face, and the pimples on yer ass, there kendall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:33 PM Ken... that's part of my point... no one DOES know... So your GUESS at 10% is as valid as my guess that it might get spend on beer... IF National Pretentious Radio was off the air and as full of vitriol as Mudcat, you can bet people would bet calling in/writing in to complain... And you school-yard lanugage is uncalled for... Guest... "It is painfully obvious he hasn't used the money to fix the problems. If he had, this wouldn't be a second rate website, now would it?" Well, there you and I are in agreement... "no amount of money being sent to him that remains completely unaccounted for" Unaccounted is the reason I will send no money... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Amos Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:38 PM Oh, Guest, go suck on a gas-main. Your bloviating self-importance is just as boring as anyone else's. If you're so fucking brilliant and above all the rest of the world, why the hell can't you rise above having to assert it so hard? I'm really glad you're so intelligent and you see through sop much, and you are so emotionally "cool" -- not to say frigid -- that none of any of al this even touches you. But why is it so needful for you to get others to acknowledge your superiority? That is not the mark of the superior human. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Aug 04 - 02:22 PM "This cat don't beg... it busks!" Then it needs to show up at it's corner with more regulatity, with an instrument that WORKS! If I was trying to give money to a busker and got as many "deadlock" errors as I get here, he'd starve to death on what'd I'd give him... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Lyle Date: 07 Aug 04 - 02:31 PM If guest-who-never-signs-a-name really felt as s/he has so often said, s/he would NEVER log on to mudcat. And guest-who-never-signs-a-name, we all know that you are at the very bottom end of a worthless job with little pay because that is all your intellect allows, that you know in your heart that everyone else in the world is far better than you, and so your only chance to see yourself as worthwhile is to post anonymously. That's why we allow you to continue - we are actually trying to be your therapist. Although sometimes when I read your asinine comments, I must admit I feel more like being a thera-pissed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 07 Aug 04 - 03:03 PM I don't usually even look "below the line", never mind post. However, I have just been ranting at the BBC music message boards about how clunky, non-user friendly, unreliable and generally fucking awful they are. This for a public service broadcasting organisation to which we in the UK forcibly contributes over £2 per week each in licence fees. As I admonished the Beeb, Mudcat manages to maintain a worldwide, generally fault-free site needing only the occasional reboot to a server located (as I understand it) on someone's kitchen table. Cherish what you've got, people, while you have it. If Max needs membership subscriptions from us to keep things going, let him post and say so. Many of us here, I imagine, would be a lot more willing to set up debits to Mudcat than to the Beeb. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 07 Aug 04 - 03:12 PM bloviating? Thank you, Amos. I have learned a new word today. Never encountered it before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 07 Aug 04 - 03:14 PM HMMM...the Mudcat sucks and only a few of us losers think that the DT has any value. So why are you here Guest? Must be because it's free and anonymous. For someone who doesn't give a rat's ass, you sure are emotional about this. Or is it that, try as we might, we never seem to stop feeding the trolls? And you thrive on the scraps from out table? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 07 Aug 04 - 03:18 PM Amos, while I'm thinking about it, what were you looking for in the dictionary when you found 'bloviate'? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Amos Date: 07 Aug 04 - 03:57 PM Brucie: "Projection". A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 04:06 PM I woke up with one of those this morning Amos ;~) Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 07 Aug 04 - 04:16 PM LOL, Amos. John: So did I. Next time I'm gonna get it bronzed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 04:46 PM Tee hee. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Y'all are really fuckin slow learners. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 07 Aug 04 - 05:16 PM I'll put my IQ up against any coward who sneaks around in here pissing on my friend, Max. If you teo are so in love with those other sites, bugger off and leave us be. CH, when someone attacks a friend of mine they usually get treated to much stronger language. Suggestion, why don't you two start up a better site like Jon Freeman did? Does anyone remember Jon? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Jeri Date: 07 Aug 04 - 05:32 PM Kendall, Jon has got a couple of pretty good sites, and it was never his intention to "start up a better site." He still posts here occasionally. As to shooting fish in a barrel, you can't do that while you're in the barrel yourself. Nothing much more more surreal than a delusional guppie.* Folks who keep playing along do so because they enjoy it as much as you do. * What was that animated show with the Orson Welles voiced mouse who was constantly trying to take over the world? I LOVED that cartoon! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 05:33 PM Suggestion, why don't you keep your suggestions to yourself and go piss up a rope? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Bill D--(whose cookie in Opera 6 gets tossed Date: 07 Aug 04 - 05:33 PM We remember Jon quite well--he started a very nice site...a 'different' site, but good for HIS purposes. Jon always thought the Mudcat should be written using different protocols/language, if I remember right....I can just imagine starting OVER! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 05:43 PM "Folks who keep playing along do so because they enjoy it as much as you do." Sure, Jeri, sure. I can SOOOOOO tell how much fun they are having with me here. All we need now is for WYSIWYG and katlaughing to chime in with their "silly season" and "don't feed the troll" admonitions, and our happy little thread here will be complete. Predictable and soothing too, in that over-emotional, relationship junkie sort of way... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 07 Aug 04 - 06:00 PM Oh what the hell...if you really need it that badly. Come on over here Guest and get a big Mudcat hug. Meantime I will see if I can track down kat and Susan for a group snog. jeri - come on, you know you want to. You too Kendall. And don't leave Clinton out. Bill? Oh Biiiillll? Coward! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: jacqui.c Date: 07 Aug 04 - 06:02 PM If there's any group snogging to be done count me in as well Sinsull. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 07 Aug 04 - 06:05 PM Ok Jacqui. We'll even let you sit next to Kendall. Looks like our GUEST has run away in horror. Or maybe she went off with Bill... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Cruiser Date: 07 Aug 04 - 06:23 PM Okay Max, Joe, and others that hold the power. I think it is time to disallow Guest status and require membership. There must be some modicum of decorum on any internet site and Guests are lowering the standards to new low levels, even for this section. I suggest a members only poll to take a vote to determine if membership should be required. Membership is very easy. Cruiser |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 07 Aug 04 - 06:30 PM I don't want to play in the MC Fall Out but this has been brought to my attention. Not quite Bill... although it is fair to say we took a different route and rather than the dt approach tried to focus on songs from documented sources and on accuracy rather than compete with what will always IMO be by far the biggest and most important collection of folk songs on the Internet. There seemed no point in duplicating what was there - the aim was "additional" not "competition" or "better". I never had much of a view over languages (I only give the reservation as my first choice for a site like this would be say linux/apache/php but that is just me). I think by protocol, you mean my view over BS. An approach to deal with this did occur sometime after I left - That was not to prevent BS (which I think would have been wrong) but to provide people with a means of separating and ignoring it if required (basically to get rid of 3 years worth of rows over something that I felt could be easily resolved). On this particular issue, I would be the first to say I like the elegant solution arrived at here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 07 Aug 04 - 06:39 PM What does 'snog' mean? (Amos, I am NOT asking you.) LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 07 Aug 04 - 06:43 PM I used to complain about my old Tercel until it broke down completely. It was a few months before I could get another car to drive. I walked lots of miles this last winter. My 'new' car is an old banger. I don't ever complain about it. Not sure what that has to do with anything, but there ya have it folks. Later, BM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Aug 04 - 07:05 PM Ken... I am NOT pissing on your friend Max simply because I question the 'quality' of his 'work'... Especially when I (or others) question with the intent to assist... And well, I do frequent Jons MB... it's one of the ones I think of when I think of how much 'better' mudcat could run... Why don't I 'sod off'?? Well, because of reasons I've listed here and else where... There are a FEW folk here that I like to chat with enough that I tolerate Mudcrash... and as a fan of 'folk music' (whatever in the hell THAT is) I love the IDEA of Mudcat... I just think that currently it suffers in the implimentation.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 07:13 PM In communication, it is important to say what you mean and mean what you say--the art of authenticity. Being honest and real with the people around you in a self-confident, assertive way is the mark of a really good communicator. OTOH, most people lack authenticity because they fear being open, honest, and direct, especially when criticizing something that damn well deserves criticism. Not giving positive criticism in an honest way leads to strained, destructive, negative relationships, which is the dominant dynamic at Mudcat. Keeping the lines of communication clear and honest are important elements in relating to others, but the Mudcat powers that be don't function on that level. The majority (and especially the clone force) speak from a place of fear, rather than confidence, and are CONSTANTLY trying to use their authority to control people's behavior, communicate that their opinions about the place don't matter (if you dare to criticize), or they lapse into aggressive mode, as we see happening here, which only leads down a slippery slope to perpetual defensiveness and, eventually, resistance from those who refuse to play the dysfunctional communication game. Just in case anyone is paying any attention. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 07:17 PM "If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then a third time—a tremendous whack." Winston Churchill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 07 Aug 04 - 07:26 PM CH I know it wasn't you who was questioning Max's integrity. My point is simply this; I know Max is doing the best he can with what he has to work with, and he simply can't afford state of the art equipment. Most of us are grateful for what he has done, and I am another who would vote to make membership mandatory and requiring a fee for membership. That would improve the service and get rid of the cowards who hide behind GUEST, and the cheapskates who use and abuse. Jeri, I was being sarcastic, something I don't have much talent for. LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:10 PM The Mudcat Gold Standard |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:22 PM ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:30 PM And then there are the SINSULLs of the world |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 08 Aug 04 - 01:29 AM I asked a simple question and the answer is now moot. The 'cat is workin' jus' fine. Thanks, all. Bruce M PS I did not realize that such acrimony would result. My apologies to those of you who have neen insulted. BM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 04 - 01:46 AM GUEST - GO HOME! You are depriving some poor village of its idiot! Just 2 sites of many... for Pinky & The Brain! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 04 - 01:49 AM Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering? Yes Brain, but if our knees bent the other way, how would we ride a bicycle? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 04 - 02:27 AM Sorry, the first PATB link was a bit of a dead end but this one is good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 08 Aug 04 - 02:51 AM Foolestroup: Go home! You are depriving some poor village of its idiot! I have never heard that line before. Please consider it stolen. It is very, very funny. Thank you. I am having a helluva chuckle here. No, make that a laugh. No, make that a guffaw. No, it's the giggles. Ah, shit, that's very funny. LMAO and it's getting worse. I'll get even with you for this. LOL.Now I'm ROFL. It's gettnig hard to tyep. LOLOL Ah crap. Just when ya though it was safe to go back in the water. OK, now, calm down. LOL You are from Oz, aren't you? Because we ain't in Kansas anymore, Dorothy. Shit, I got the giggles. Thanks, buddy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: jacqui.c Date: 08 Aug 04 - 03:11 AM brucie - snogging is an English word for kissing. On the question of stopping Guests that would cause me a problem when I'm staying with my daughter. For some reason her machine won't keep my cookie going and I really do not want to mess with her configuration to change that. So if no guest postings are allowed that would put me out of action when I'm there. It's bad enough that I can't open pm's or send posts! I would agree with previous posters that the only way to deal with what seem to be aggresive and unpleasant postings from both guests and Mucatters is to ignore them although I know from my own experience that is sometimes impossible to do. Looks like we'll just have to carry on tolerating them! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 08 Aug 04 - 03:21 AM Thanks, jacqui. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: jacqui.c Date: 08 Aug 04 - 03:24 AM No probs brucie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 08 Aug 04 - 04:02 AM John Gray is considered a lightweight among serious therapists. I read is book and attended one of his lectures. He was entertaining, that's all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 08 Aug 04 - 07:24 AM Those of you who are only interested in pissing back and forth on each other... might I suggest you take it to www.goldenshowers.com... You might run into such folk- 'tallent' as that 'bent' fiddle player from Canada's East Coast... He's about as useful as the rest of you... "he simply can't afford state of the art equipment" D'uh... but it takes "state of the art' equip to run games like Doom3... or the new up-coming GTA title... It absolutely does NOT take such equip/ to run a text-only place like Mudcat.... I was visiting better, more stable, text-only Message Boards before there even WAS an INTERNET.... When Mudcat can't hold a candle to mid 80's BBS's, there's obviously a problem or two.... "I am another who would vote to make membership mandatory and requiring a fee for membership" So... you and I make 2... So... Who else??? At Ringbearer.org the 'membership' fee is 60 bucks a YEAR.... and they are WAY more 'high-tech' than Mudcat... Lets make this the new plan... and if "guest" don't like it, he/she/it/they can suck hind-tit... (Honestly, I think the best way to handle that particular 'aspect' is to make the MB so that only 'members' can -respond- to threads... but I didn't say that out loud...) Cause it's an avenue I'm MORE than happy to explore.... -IF- it means MUCH fewer 'crashes' and a 'chat-room' that isn't surpassed by basic coding from the cyber-stone-age... and an END to overall cr@p! Who else is in? Let your voices be heard! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 04 - 07:56 AM Only if it can be set up so that a handle can be accessed (by prior arrangement) from more than one email address (or keep a cookie for the same handle on more than one machine) will many people here be satisfied. Also this would exclude many of the more knowledgeable one-off posters, who really know things (or else someone is already faking them!) who find out about a particular question and join in for a short while. And this is not what this thread is about - it was asking why the cat was so slow during a certain period of time. The damage to the net simply answered that one. It seems amusing to me that the Net was designed to avert such outages by not centralising things, but is is now hubbed severely, one of the reasons that the path from the Cat to me was inflexible and suffering delays. Robin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Mr Red Date: 08 Aug 04 - 11:01 AM I do remember Max saying that the storage requirements of all out posts rising at XX megabytes per month, whatever it sure ain't zero and I see a lot of threads. Three cheers for Max. Just wish I had more work and cash to spare....... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Joe_F Date: 08 Aug 04 - 11:08 AM In my experience, the Mudcat works about as well as most of the services in this world. It is (at the moment) more reliable than my ISP, about as reliable as the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority, and less reliable than FedEx. For me it is a hopeful sign that a commons such as the Mudcat can survive, and work pretty well, on the Internet, despite a large proportion of freeloaders. (Another such commons, the outfit that maintains a mailing list devoted to another side of my deviance, gets by on donations from 2% of its users.) This suggests that, despite the continual sneers of market-worshipers, a commons need not end in tragedy. I give money regularly to several such services. As for the freeloaders, they have their reward. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: akenaton Date: 08 Aug 04 - 12:03 PM I simply dont understand the attitude of some members here. By far the largest number of offensive or agressive post that I have noticed, come from Mudcat members. It seems if you are a member, any language or point of view is permissable,but if you are a guest, any opinion that deviates from the norm ,is subjected to a torrent of abuse. To a large extent,the guests posts that I have read, have been well researched and well presented, especially on political matters. Perhaps some of you older members know who the guests are,and harbour grievances,but to my mind if someone is talking sense they deserve to be listened to. BTW...I dont know any thing about the financial position of the site, so I can add nothing to whats already been said on that |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 08 Aug 04 - 12:36 PM And this is still Max's sandbox. He doesn't want membership. Don't like it? Go somewhere else and start your own forum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 08 Aug 04 - 01:00 PM Well said akenaton. And it is that attitude you describe that probably puts off a lot of new members from joining and adding to the Mudcat coffers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: PoppaGator Date: 08 Aug 04 - 03:07 PM I rarely have problems accesing Mudcat, but Friday things were pretty bad. One unintended outcome was that I posted a couple of much-longer-than-usual messages. I'd write my little two-cents-worth, hit Unlike some of you, most notably GUEST, I'm not losing any sleep over this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 08 Aug 04 - 03:17 PM Thank you for illustrating my point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Aug 04 - 06:10 PM I really wish that Clinton would come up with the URLs of some of those sites which he reckons the Mudcat would be improved by copying. I haven't come across any, and I have looked from time to time. Of course, if it's flashy pictures and that, I can see the Mudcat doesn't supply those, but who wants them? (Aside perhaps from CH.) I've got a TV that can do that stuff, but the content isn't as interesting, most of the time, and content and conversation is what I'm after. And somewhere where I always know I can find out anything I want to find out. And even the downtime is quite useful, actually. It helps keep the habit under control, and it prunes the threads. But people really should have learnt by now to just skip past the nameless GUEST posts in this kind of thread. The way you instinctively avoid stepping on dog turds, when you're out for a stroll, and don't even notice you're doing it, unless you accidentally tread on the odd one. But that kind of accident can't happen here, since they are neatly labelled so you can walk on by. So walk on by. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Charley Noble Date: 08 Aug 04 - 06:13 PM Well, it is nice to know I can post again and, yes, I did send in some money a few months ago and would be willing to send more if it's really needed. I'd prefer to hear that the "guests" are eager and willing to anty up. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 08 Aug 04 - 06:20 PM It's not 'flashy pictures' I'm talking about MgOH... Technological stability would be fine... and that you can't find a decent Message Board when there are MILLIONS of them on the net doesn't surprise me... but let me take you by your little hand and lead you around if needs be... I'll start you slow... try ringbearer.org brightweavings.com peep the forum at JamesKeelaghan.com just about any infopop message board for that matter... but that might be too fast for ya at this point... Look at the 'structure' when you're confused by the content.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Aug 04 - 06:42 PM Different strokes for different folks. I just had a brief look at those sites Clinton gave, and the differences between them and the Mudcat are very reasons I choose to frequent the Mudcat. Maybe if I spent longer chasing around them I might see it differently, but I doubt it. I'm gratful to Max for putting up with us anyway. I'm doubly grateful to him for giving us a site that's different from those. I really would like to come across some sites and online communities which could match the qualities I value in the Mudcat. Jon's Annexe and folkinfo are the closest. But I'm sure there must be others centred around other interests that people in different parts of the world share which have similar flexibility and openness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 08 Aug 04 - 10:01 PM I don't want to derail this thread, but the 'cat is workin' just fine today, and it was yesterday also. Just thought I'd mention that to y'all. Knowing how delicate a situation this is, if I offened anyone by posting this particular post, I am sorry. And if I didn't offend anyone, it will be a first. Thank you. BM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: el ted Date: 09 Aug 04 - 04:51 AM mudcat was deathly slow in sunny Hull last week, but seems back to normal today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: el ted Date: 09 Aug 04 - 04:52 AM 99 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: el ted Date: 09 Aug 04 - 04:52 AM oh, 100 by the way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 09 Aug 04 - 05:14 AM Well Elstead, or Elstree or whatever, if your Mother ever told you this little motto, you obviously ignored her! If you can't say anything useful, don't say anything at all. and there's also Cheats never prosper. No wonder Max is struggling for storage space. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: el ted Date: 09 Aug 04 - 05:20 AM 102. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 09 Aug 04 - 01:35 PM Rat fink! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 09 Aug 04 - 01:40 PM The real El Ted |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 09 Aug 04 - 01:41 PM Oh goody 104, I got 104, I used to live at 104 Amyand Park Rd, Twickenham, oh I'm so excited!!! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 09 Aug 04 - 02:00 PM Be still, beating heart. My breath is coming in short pants. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 09 Aug 04 - 02:01 PM Sounds like Giok is ready for a vacation at the NYCFTTS. Somebody make up a bed and I will head him off at the pass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: el ted Date: 10 Aug 04 - 11:06 AM oo er that sounds a bit rude brucie! Well, as there are no more milestone posts to be had on this thread, I think I will bugger and track a few more 100's down. the true path! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 10 Aug 04 - 11:12 AM and now... another error message from Mudcat... Surprise, surprise... surprise.... Error Occurred While Processing Request Error Diagnostic Information ODBC Error Code = 37000 (Syntax error or access violation) [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]The log file for database 'tempdb' is full. Back up the transaction log for the database to free up some log space. The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFQUERY), occupying document position (5:1) to (5:56). Date/Time: 08/10/04 10:28:20 Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 Remote Address: 24.57.58.118 HTTP Referer: http://www.mudcat.org/threads.cfm So what's wrong with it now????? Still??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 10 Aug 04 - 11:38 AM The Error Log Temp file ran out of space. That's what it says mate! Max probably was too busy with Real Life to do the daily transaction backup, and so much crap is posted in the BS threads that the fileserver is starting to run low on space. Fewer complaints in BS threads may assist.... :-) Robin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 10 Aug 04 - 12:43 PM If that's the case foolestroupe, it may be worth investigating Task Scheduler or Cron (there is a Windows version) to arrange such a job if needed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 10 Aug 04 - 12:54 PM Just found another here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Aug 04 - 01:11 PM "...and now... another error message from Mudcat... Surprise, surprise... surprise...." There's a point when constructive criticism turns into repetitive pointless whingeing... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 10 Aug 04 - 01:29 PM You mean like the constant crashes and error messages from Mudcat?? Yes... I agree... I'll ask again nicely... please fix it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Cluin Date: 11 Aug 04 - 01:55 AM (to the tune of Humoresque) Please refrain from posting lyrics, Whether sincere or satiric, Space upon the server's getting tight. Room is needed for declaiming, Pointless posturing and flaming, We would rather bark than waste a byte. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 11 Aug 04 - 02:20 AM Just an idea, but if Mudcat is short of storage space/memory whatever [which would be quite understanable considering every message ever posted here ffrom the last 8 years is stored], then why not delete the BS postings after a certain time [a week, or a month or wahtever]? Songs posted will remain useful, but most of the BS stuff is just chat, it would be a shame if someone came here wanting to post useful song info, but couldn't because the place was jammed up with BS. It's just an idea, and I would be happy to have every BS message I've ever posted deleted to free up some space. Alternatevaly, why not have a small membership fee, [a pound a week, or a dollar a week, to acsess the whole forum, ie lyrics are free, but but if you want to use BS, you should pay a bit towards it? [A few of the newspaper sites do this, ie you can read current editions online for free, but if you want to read all the archives, you have to pay a small fee. just an idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 11 Aug 04 - 03:33 AM John you're making sense again, it'll ruin your image. I partly agree with your idea, but I'd still rather see a subscription system in place, and guests limited to about 10 postings before they are required to join, or go away. A way could be found for subscribers to log out, and post anonymously, by means of a key/code or something. We certainly need to; (a) Get the Cat on a firm financial footing, and; (b) Control some of the more abusive/troublesome guests. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 11 Aug 04 - 03:46 AM "why not delete the BS postings after a certain time" I suggested that months ago John... more like months and months... It was met with much wailing and gnashing of teeth... "A way could be found for subscribers to log out, and post anonymously" Why bother? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 11 Aug 04 - 04:08 AM Qoute="I suggested the same thing John, it was met with much waling and gnashing of teeth" I can't imagine why any sensible people would object, if the reasons were explained. Many of the threads are people just posting for the sake of it ie "last one to post here is cool" or wahtever, "Mother of all BS Threads" etc. Plus, if anyone particulary wants to keep a certain thread, waht is stopping them printing it, or storing it on their own machine? anyway, it was just an idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 11 Aug 04 - 06:39 AM I was thinking of the Secret Santa thing Clinton, where anonymity is an asset and not a liability. giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: jacqui.c Date: 11 Aug 04 - 06:40 AM I'll go along with that joHn. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Dave Bryant Date: 11 Aug 04 - 10:09 AM Well - as in the song, the cat always seems to come back ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,EE Date: 11 Aug 04 - 11:24 AM Good idea John and perfectly logical. It hadn't dawned on me that all the BS was kept forever. And Giok lets hope they deal with the abusive and troublesome members at the same time....they are your 'real' enemy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 11 Aug 04 - 11:34 AM Well EE, I'm not so sure on the troublesome members front, sure we have a few who see it as their duty to 'tell it like it is'. or be just plain obnoxious, but at least they have the guts to do it under their own name/handle, and I take more notice of a labelled gripe than an anonymous one. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Ellenpoly Date: 11 Aug 04 - 11:57 AM Just on the off-chance that someone out there is listening to you, jOhn, I'm going to spend some time going over my old posts and copying any that I think I want to keep. I'm betting that's all of a handful! ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Blackcatter Date: 11 Aug 04 - 01:12 PM I didn't look into this thread because there have been so many just like it. I quick check of the posters shows that neither Max, Jeff or Joe have weighed in to answer any of your questions. So it appears everyone here is discussing the Mudcat from a position of relative ignorance. Why not ask Max how you can help. It's the only way what you say may do some help. If you want to support the Mudcat - you can - send Max money, buy a t-shirt or auction item, or click on the Google Ads at the bottom of every page. You'd be surprised how much revenue it can generate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 11 Aug 04 - 01:32 PM If there have been so many like it, why doesn't Max step up and answer some of the questions here? "thinking of the Secret Santa thing" I never understood the need for that long anon. thread anyway, so -I- wouldn't miss it at all... and even if I did, it seems like a very moderate price to pay... I've run SS's at some of the other MBs I've talked about here with out such... and they've been just as fun for the people involved... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 11 Aug 04 - 01:51 PM The Mudcat membership is addicted to Mudcat, so it comes as no surprise that they tolerate the dysfunctional and barely functionally nature of the website, it's owners and maintainers, now is it Clinton? Wasn't that a bit obvious when you read McGrath's perfectly predictable response to the post where you gave examples of MBs that function well? Those boards aren't the boards they are addicted to, and it really is that simple. Members remain loyal to Max, because they have to remain loyal to him in order to keep getting the internet fix. This just isn't that complicated, people. If you want to send money to Max because you believe it will improve the quality and service of the website, go right ahead. There is no evidence that sending money has ever resulted in an improved website performance, but there you have it. It is, of course, completely irrational for so many people to send money to a person who has the power to fix the performance problems with the money you send but doesn't do it, much less thank them for their contribution OR give any accounting to how he has spent the hundreds (perhaps thousands for all I or anyone else knows, for that matter) of dollars people have sent to him over the years. But people keep sending Max money because as long as he keeps getting money from people, he doesn't pull the plug. But he doesn't use the money to fix the problems either. A fool and their money, as they say... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 11 Aug 04 - 01:57 PM I like the Mudcat, and so what it's got a few glitches and bitches from time to time. Life does too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,MMario Date: 11 Aug 04 - 02:03 PM I truly don't have many more problems with the 'cat then I do with other sites - definately not problems re: speed. yes - there are times when the database goes down - but I've experienced the same with google and other search engines - and with EVERY forum and message board I frequent. DNS problems - yes - they have happened - but they happen here at work as well and we have four dedicated DNS servers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 11 Aug 04 - 02:07 PM "I've experienced the same with google and other search engines - and with EVERY forum and message board I frequent" I've never encountered any 5 web sites that spend as much time DOWN as Mudcat alone does... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 11 Aug 04 - 02:07 PM I constantly use Google on a daily basis, at least 50 times a day as a researcher. I have never had it not respond with a quick refresh. That isn't a problem with the site, MMario, it is the pipe to it. You can't seriously be comparing the performance of Google to Mudcat and proclaiming Mudcat's performance to be as reliable? Mother of god, now I've heard it all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 11 Aug 04 - 02:13 PM Actually - when you compare the resources available to each site - Mudcat is probably more relaible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 11 Aug 04 - 02:17 PM Bollocks and a load of hyperbole, that claim there, Guest 2:13. Anything to back it up with? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 11 Aug 04 - 02:52 PM Google revenues are a minimum of 200,000 times that of the mudcat and they have at least 1900 time the number of employees. I'd like to see what kind of service they would provide if they had a single employee - or even (counting clones and other volunteers) seven or eight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Blackcatter Date: 11 Aug 04 - 03:05 PM Those of you who hate the Mudcat, leave. Those of you who like the Mudcat, either accept it as it is, or directly suggest/ask Max, etal what you can do to improve it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 11 Aug 04 - 03:07 PM "directly suggest/ask Max, etal what you can do to improve it" Isn't that what this and other threads like it are doing?????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 11 Aug 04 - 03:53 PM Here we go again, bitch bitch you Guests are just sore cos Max is popular, and nobody likes you at all! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 11 Aug 04 - 04:01 PM Who died and appointed you God, Blackcatter? How about you quit using internet forums like this because you can't cope with people expressing opinions you dislike? Jaysus, are you this obnoxious in real life? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Bill D Date: 11 Aug 04 - 04:15 PM I have spoken to Max...face to face...and asked him if all the BS and such was gonna eat up the HD...He replied essentially, that "space is not the problem these days"...(storage is getting cheaper every day) What is troublesome is wear & tear on machines that run 24/7 and dependence on local electrical connections and server connections and daily computer maintainance that you never notice on BIG servers running multiple backups. Sometimes Jeff can do a re-boot or such remotely..sometimes Max has to run downstairs and kick something...and if Max is OUT...like trying to earn a living....it can be awhile before he gets to it! This website is run on a shoestring, relatively...even with some odd donations and 'other' minor income. It is amazing it is still here at all...Max has said in the past what he feels about keeping it going, and I can imagine what would happen if he tried to pop in and 'explain' every little glitch, slowdown and power surge. Various people would want to question, suggest, complain, bitch, and otherwise argue the details with him. Remember the song? "The 'cat came back, the very next day- They thought it was a goner, but the 'cat came back..." In the meantime, while it is gone....get some LIFE lived! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 11 Aug 04 - 05:15 PM Guest, prove that Max doesn't use the money to keep the site up. Put up or shut up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 11 Aug 04 - 05:20 PM It's not the cat that is slow. It is all of those idiots who post constantly with their egotistical bullshit (just to see they're glorious words of wisdom in print) that are slow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 11 Aug 04 - 05:25 PM Ken... prove that he does... Given that things are getting worse and worse around here, "upkeep" is supect... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 11 Aug 04 - 05:51 PM Clinton, DON'T DONATE! Nobody cares. I give as much as I can afford and have no problem if others choose not to. But, for god's sake, stop griping! It really wears thin. If you are miserable, leave. There are a thousand other places to go. Of course, from Max's point of view, stay and gripe. He really doesn't care. SINS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 11 Aug 04 - 05:54 PM An afterthought - if Max wants to take the family out to dinner or buy a round at the local pub for the clones or if he wants to invest my donation in the stock market, I DON"T CARE. SINS, tired of listening to it. Where is that "No Whining" sign? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 11 Aug 04 - 05:58 PM Wears thin?? Like the constant crashes, never-ending error messages, and JOKE of a chat-app... Not to mention the flood of cr@p when it comes to content (AND I'm not sure this thread doesn't count towards that unfortunately) and the apparent lack of interest in stemming that tide... This "Take It Or Leave" it attitude is such a load of horsesh!t... Like anyone does that with anything in ANY aspect of their lives... *what-frigg'n-ever* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 11 Aug 04 - 06:19 PM Clinton, you're burying your needle of legitimate cricism, in a haystack of OTT whinging. Cool it, you've made your point, give it/us a break please! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 11 Aug 04 - 07:23 PM Maybe I'll give it a break, when something gets done to 'improve' the state of Mudcat... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 11 Aug 04 - 07:31 PM Quick! Call 911 immediately! Someone is holding a gun to SINSULL's head & ordering her to keep opening this thread and read it! Again and again! Oh, the tragedy... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 11 Aug 04 - 08:23 PM CH, I did not acuse Max of mis appropriation of funds, and if I were Max this nameless coward throwing his shit around would deal with me directly . Max does not respond to anything, not just these petty complaints. He's too busy trying to make ends meet.Neither of you malcontents know dick about his situation and all your sub standard IQ is good for is pissing and moaning. Well, you don't like it here, BUGGER OFF! Guaranteed neither of you will be missed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 12 Aug 04 - 04:31 AM Sorry Clinton, but unless it's just to make trouble, why else do you hang around? In the same vein as the sarcastic remark about Sinsull, what's forcing you to come back? When something that annoys me comes on the TV or radio, I turn it off, I don't watch football, I don't watch Big Brother, I don't listen to Jonathan Dimbleby, or Eddie Mair. I also don't write and complain to the BBC about it, as I know I'm in the minority, and would be wasting my time. Ring any bells? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 12 Aug 04 - 07:35 AM Giok? That was sarcasm? I thought someone was trying to be witty and failing miserably. Thanks for the heads up...and the common sense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: nutty Date: 12 Aug 04 - 07:55 AM I didn't want to spoil things for the moaners so started a thread with sensible suggestions. See Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 12 Aug 04 - 01:37 PM Actually that was a bit harsh. I was pissed but my ISP cut me off, and by the time I got back on, I had cooled off, and I tried to delete it, but it went anyway. I meant what I said, but I wish I hadn't said it. My final thought on this, if Max wants to make an issue of it, that's up to him. I'm not his big brother. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 12 Aug 04 - 04:30 PM I amn not here to "make trouble"... D'uh... I have stated time and again, my resons for staying here at Mudcat, not that I feel the need to justify it to any of you.... And I'm sick of repeating it... Read the thread... I never accused Max of 'missappropriation" either... Read what's posted... NOT what you WANT to read... Nutty... The gist of yout post is "Mudcat sucks, and these are ways to deal with it" My point is there shouldn't HAVE to be ways of dealing with it... There's NO good reason at all... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 12 Aug 04 - 04:55 PM That definitely is not the gist of my post, Clinton. Please read what is written not what you would like it to say. I am stating that often when Max is being blamed for problems they really lie with internet overload caused by poor connections to your individual server. I pay extra for a broadband connection so that I can avoid such hassle where possible but even then, there are times when I can't access the Yahoo Games site. Patience is a virtue which helps to lower blood pressure. Chill out Clinton |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,nutty Date: 12 Aug 04 - 04:56 PM Just so there is no misunderstanding ...... The above post was from me |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 12 Aug 04 - 05:01 PM Come on, Kendall, really what could you do to Guest? People, let Clinton go on his whinging games. It is all he is good for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 12 Aug 04 - 07:06 PM Clinton, This is what you said: And well, I wanna also see a receipt so that I KNOW any money I did maybe donate went to The Mudcat and not to paying Max's' rent, phone, beer, whatever fund... I took it to mean that you did not trust Max to spend donations on the website. Given that the website is currently housed in Max's basement and formerly in his dining room and before that in an office where the phone along with other office equipment was used for a non-paying Mudcat, I have no problem with Max using my donations as he sees fit. And if he wants to take the unpaid clones out for a beer or his long suffering family for a quiet dinner, I also have no problem. We are never going to agree on this, so I am out of this thread too. No point in repeating myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 12 Aug 04 - 08:14 PM CH, I do wish YOU would learn to read. I did not accuse you of claiming that Max misuses funds, but when you said, "Prove he does" (That is, uses the money to run the Mudcat) what was I supposed to infer from that? What you implied was quite plain to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 12 Aug 04 - 08:18 PM You know, for those of you who keep nagging each other to back off, shut up, give it a rest, etc--after 160 posts, one would think you could, you know...back off, shut up, and give it a rest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 12 Aug 04 - 11:26 PM "back off, shut up, and give it a rest" Let's have someone fix Mudcat first... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Aug 04 - 04:14 AM sigh!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 13 Aug 04 - 06:14 AM I'm outta here. Off to spend the weekend with a gang of really neat Canadians in New Brunswick. If you ever get a chance to hear Hal 'n Tow or Bernie Houlahan by himself, do it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: jacqui.c Date: 13 Aug 04 - 08:01 AM Clinton - if you think that you can do better than Max at running a site on a shoestring why don't you start your own forum? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 13 Aug 04 - 01:19 PM Because he would rather whinge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 13 Aug 04 - 01:29 PM Because I'm TRYING to support Mudcat! I'm not the one whinging... You people with your heads in the sand, (And other places) are more 'whingers' than I'll ever be! -I'm- here to discuss possible solutions to Mudcats obvious many problems.... The place is a frigg'n mess, and there's NO reason it needs to be, except maybe raging papthy from the guy who runs it... If Max doesn't care that his web site is a mess, let him step up and say it, and I'll drop it... Otherwise, let's see some fixes in on this place please! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 13 Aug 04 - 04:02 PM Easy, easy there Clinton. My remarks about shutting up & backing off weren't directed at you. They were directed at the overwhelming majority of the 160+ posts from Mudcat members trying to bludgeon the dissenters to death, regardless of what the dissenting opinion is. My comments were directed to the herd, in other words. The sheep. The people who go along to get along. I think you know who I mean. Sorry I didn't make it clearer to YOU though, as one of the miniscule number of people in this forum who DARES to express, much less hold, a point of view which isn't in tune with the tyrannical and increasingly intolerant Mudcat membership majority. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 13 Aug 04 - 05:27 PM The answer is simple, Clinton, make your own goddamn board, but be sure your nappies are changed first. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 13 Aug 04 - 05:36 PM And that helps support Mudcat how? "number of people in this forum who DARES to express, much less hold, a point of view which isn't in tune with the tyrannical and increasingly intolerant Mudcat membership majority" If I had a dime for every mudcatter (Ex-catter rather) That I've met who left this place for that exact issue, I could call in sick to my gig tonight, and stay here, bandying this cr@p around... -Click for an Important Message-
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Aug 04 - 06:01 PM Clinton I know a typo when I see one, but 'raging papthy' !! I love, I love it! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 13 Aug 04 - 08:12 PM That link sucks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 13 Aug 04 - 08:29 PM Agree Brucie. It stinks as much as the nazi post that was deleted. Why is it still there? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 14 Aug 04 - 05:11 AM Clinton, you're getting close to cutting off your head, just to cure your headache. That link was in abysmal taste. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 04 - 09:04 AM So three of us have pointed out the appalling taste of that link. Yet it remains? Is that because it was posted by a member? The link that was posted re Nazis and MG was deleted within nanoseconds. Is that because it was by a guest? Editing should be across the board, if it is to exist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Augie Date: 14 Aug 04 - 10:10 AM As a politically somewhat right of center,Christian(I hope) Mudcat guest I am frequently at variance with the views of the "increasingly intolerant Mudcat membership majority",that's one of the things that makes Mudcat interesting. Your 5:36 link however, is an egregious affront to anyone who has or cares about the welfare of special needs children.It regrettably speaks volumes about you as well.Spend some time with these kids and you will see in them kindness, joy , compassion, concern for others and a total absence of malice and ego;all qualities hopefully present in you, but sadly lacking in your posts.Your link shows you're missing something more important than simply patience with slow pixel display times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 04 - 10:12 AM Even Martin Gibson doesnt sink this low |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Oaklet Date: 14 Aug 04 - 10:22 AM I can't continue visiting a website where the owner would allow that to dwell here, Clinton. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 04 - 10:56 AM Well said Oaklet. Let's hope you haven't parted with any cash to keep this site going. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: freda underhill Date: 14 Aug 04 - 11:01 AM anyone who has had anything to do with Downs Syndrome people will know they do not have the malice or animosity shown by some posters here. I have asked Joe offer to delete that post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 04 - 11:03 AM Thanks Freda. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 14 Aug 04 - 01:37 PM I'll just post it again... Besides..... It was originally emailled to me by a friend of mine IN the local special olympics... SHE thought it was hilarious! So you can take your holier-than-thou self righteous indignation, and cram it with walnuts! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Amergin Date: 14 Aug 04 - 02:32 PM Yawn, Clinton. You're so full of shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 14 Aug 04 - 02:36 PM No more so than anyone else here... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 14 Aug 04 - 03:20 PM The link still sucks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Aug 04 - 04:36 PM I don't remember the Nazi post. But yes, we delete anonymous hate messages the moment we see them - and that's probably what the Nazi post was. Clinton's link takes you to a photo that makes fun of a Down Syndrome person, and it is every bit as objectionable as most racist messages I delete - but at least Clinton acknowledges responsibility for it. If you don't like it, let him know. If he had posted the photo directly on Mudcat (if that were possible), I would have deleted it. Since that's not the case, I'll leave the link intact instead of making a martyr of Clinton by deleting it. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 14 Aug 04 - 04:38 PM Clinton; any sympathy you had gained here, has just been squandered, and I for one wish I'd never given you the benefit of the doubt. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Amergin Date: 14 Aug 04 - 06:21 PM So it's ok to be a pig so long as your a member....Hmmm....interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 14 Aug 04 - 06:33 PM " If you don't like it, let him know." Like he'll care... "I'll leave the link intact" Whatever Joe... delete the link... I honestly couldn't care less... "Deleting his link will just make him mad." Not in the least Joe... As a matter of fact, -I'll- take care of it! This way you won't have to get your precious little hands dirty.... "The photo is crude and socially unacceptable" So? We sing songs that are... we tell stories that are... we tell jokes that most certainly are... what I ask, is the difference? "never given you the benefit of the doubt" et al.... What-frigg'n-ever.... Here's a quater... go call someone who cares... Oh no... I've offended some strangers that I'll never meet face to face, on a internet message board that like most, takes itself way too seriously... how ever will I sleep tonight... How will I ever look my self in the mirror... I better call Herself and tell her the wedding is off, because I'm not worthy... DDW is right about this place... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 14 Aug 04 - 06:36 PM Excuse the double post, but there... The big scary picture is gone... The Bad Man took it down... It can't hurt you anymore... Now maybe the healing can begin... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Aug 04 - 06:40 PM
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: akenaton Date: 14 Aug 04 - 06:50 PM Were ALL anonymous pigs.....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Amergin Date: 14 Aug 04 - 07:34 PM Well, Mr. Offer. I just notice you are alot quicker to delete nasty posts from "guests"...rather than equally nasty if not nastier posts from "members". Now why is that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 04 - 08:56 PM Total lack of balls Joe.I'm disappointed in you.Hope all your grandkids turn out "normal". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 14 Aug 04 - 08:59 PM Thank you for removing that link. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 04 - 09:04 PM Amerigin, in answer to your question/statement--the double standard has always been there about the guest thing. It's the main form of bigotry that gets rewarded here. Problem is that slippery slope... Bigots about guests tolerate the bigots like Martin Gibson (who I think IS every bit as bad as Clinton on this score) and Clinton. Bigotry is bigotry. A double standard is a double standard. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy. Don't matter how Joe justifies it, it still is what it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Aug 04 - 02:04 AM Gee, it seems quite logical to me. If you make a bigoted comment and put your name to it, it's still bigotry - but at least you've owned up to it and open yourself to the consequences of community disapproval and censure. If you want to hide behind anonymity, the consequences are that your bigoted message will be deleted. If you're named or anonymous and civil in your conduct, you have nothing to worry about. Now you know the answer, Mr. Amergin. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Alonzo M. Zilch (inactive) Date: 15 Aug 04 - 10:15 AM Clinton's link takes you to a photo that makes fun of a Down Syndrome person, and it is every bit as objectionable as most racist messages I delete - but at least Clinton acknowledges responsibility for it. Joe, The message I'm getting here is that hate-mongering in the Mudcat forum is OK when done by members who take credit for it, but not OK when done anonymously by guests. It seems to me that hate-mongering is hate-mongering, no matter who does it.
My method of dealing with it is a judgment call - there certainly are other choices. But no, bigotry is never OK, and I would never imply that it is. You can read whatever you want into my words, I suppose, but I've never approved of bigotry. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 15 Aug 04 - 03:34 PM Tact is only noticed when it's missing. So it is with taste. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Cluin Date: 15 Aug 04 - 04:20 PM Discussions sure are easily diverted around here.... Back to the topic at hand: Does anyone dispute the fact that mudcat.org IS slow? I know it's not a problem with the connection on my end, because when the `Cat hangs (as it does a LOT), I can connect to any other site in an instant, even notorious watering holes like Yahoo and Google. It seems to be just something to put up with. If/when Mudcat moves to a server with a wider connection to the Internet's backbone, things would change. But until that glorious time, expect Mudcat to be worth the wait? I, for one, dislike MBs with avatars, pointless individual taglines & slogans, and the ability for posters to link to animated graphics and large JPG files; it just slows things down and makes the posts more disjointed and harder to read. So I like the layout around here. But I'm sure we'd all like a more reliable connection. Because it's just SO much fun to type up a post, then hit SUBmit only to find out Mudcat has gone the way of Jimmy Hoffa and Emelia Earhardt for several hours. Hope that doesn't offend anybody... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 15 Aug 04 - 05:03 PM Yes, Mudcat is slow. Now what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 15 Aug 04 - 08:01 PM Wahts an avater? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Amergin Date: 15 Aug 04 - 08:03 PM Look it up or do you know how to use the dictionary? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Cluin Date: 15 Aug 04 - 08:11 PM jOhn, an "avatar" (in web forum lingo) is a picture or animated GIF that appears beside your name in your posts on the forum. It can be a real picture of you, your favourite cartoon character, animal, or just about anything. Generally, it's a waste of bandwidth and server space. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 Aug 04 - 10:50 PM "Generally, it's a waste of bandwidth and server space." One mans opinion... There are many who think differently... And well, if bandwidth for a 15X15 gif is a problem, I suspect one has bigger fish to fry... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 16 Aug 04 - 12:03 AM And I suppose if your PC is an old slow one which running such garbage on slows down anyway, we should just take you out and shoot you too... ;-P |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 16 Aug 04 - 12:33 AM Thanks Cluin, I don't see the point of them really, but if we have to have them, i'll choose a hamster or a goldfish. or a tiger. Amergin, just shut up, and tell me waht it is, i already loked in the dictionary, and it didnt say anything about it. [i bet Amergin doesnt know what it is!] |
