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Subject: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 06 Aug 04 - 06:01 PM It is slow to get here, slow to come up when ya click a thread, slow to post. It loses cookies and loggin on again takes three or four tries. Anyone else with this problem, or is it just Alberta? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Scooby Doo Date: 06 Aug 04 - 07:02 PM I am having the same problem i thought it was my computer over heating |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Bill Hahn//\\ Date: 06 Aug 04 - 07:18 PM ditto NY/NJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 06 Aug 04 - 07:50 PM This is NOT a BS topic... if anything it's Tech... http://help.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=2649&messages=9 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Jeri Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:00 PM I can get a Mudcat and a specific thread to come up very easily...every 5th or 6th try. Otherwise, I get: While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm? (And I wind up cookieless.) Or, it just times out. Something is BAD broke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:28 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Augie Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:30 PM As a (cookieless) guest who has been known to lurk around the Mudcat site, I have also noticed this problem, especially recently. It is worth the wait, however, once the screen does pop up, wouldn't you agree? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Dave Swan Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:40 PM I'm sure that a lot of this could be helped if Max could replace the coal fired drives and servers which hold the 'cat together. Reach for your pockets, folks. Contribute to the Mudcat. This is a freebie supported by Max, a busy and generous man. D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:41 PM CH: Did you notify tech or should I? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:42 PM Wasn't slamming the site, Dave. Just having some difficulties and wanting to see if others were, also. Pax. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Dave Swan Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:53 PM Not taken as a slam in the least, Brucie. Just another chance to remind folks to give, that's all. Pax, D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 06 Aug 04 - 08:57 PM I'm not slamming the site either, but the way it runs now is a frigg'n JOKE! What did I say on another MB on the subject??? "Folks... this is what's been wrong with mudcat... blah blah blah... this is what would fix it... blah blah blah... this is how much such things would cost.. blah blah blah... These are ways we could try to raise that money.. blah blah blah... Your suggestions are welcome... Signed Max" Would be a GREAT post to see! However I also said, I'm NOT holding my breath so actually SEE such a post... And well, I wanna also see a receipt so that I KNOW any money I did maybe donate went to The Mudcat and not to paying Max's' rent, phone, beer, whatever fund... And well, as I said elsewhere there are MILLIONS of message boards and chartrooms in cyberspace that operate just fine without any money from me... Why does Mudcat need to BEG in order to maintain basic functionality??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Jeri Date: 06 Aug 04 - 09:58 PM This likely doesn't have anything to do with Max's equipment. A little birdie told me the area was hit bad with storms and tornadoes on Wed night, and some people still don't have power back. It could be that all the glitches are from damage or even the repairs that are being done. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 06 Aug 04 - 10:44 PM Click on your upper bar STOP
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 07 Aug 04 - 02:52 AM This cat don't beg, Clinton... it busks! ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,M'Grath of Altcar Date: 07 Aug 04 - 05:10 AM probs here in UK too. :( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Mr Red Date: 07 Aug 04 - 05:24 AM because we have been feeding it too much! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 07 Aug 04 - 06:19 AM CH, I know Max well enough to know that this is his baby, and he puts as much into it as he can afford to. Why he puts up with a bunch of freeloading cheapskates is beyond me. Especially those who do little around here besides piss and moan all the time! The man is doing the best he can with what he has to work with, and all those other great sites that you are always chirping about probably havn't had his run of bad luck, and they are probably not being run by one man of modest means. Old Maine proverb: SHIFT, OR GET OFF THE PIKE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 07:02 AM Hey folks, if you appreciate The Cat, and Max's work to keep it sweet, do what I did, dip your hands in your wallets/pocket books/purses/piggy banks/cookie jars etc., and send the man a few bucks. If you want to piss and moan for free, there are other sites. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Scooby Doo Date: 07 Aug 04 - 07:08 AM I was not complaining just remarking that we seem to be having problems and i thought it was at my end with my computer over heating as its very hot in the room my computer is in situ.But i would be happy to help out financially if thats what may happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine Date: 07 Aug 04 - 08:40 AM I haven't been able to get on for a couple of days now. I think the complaints are coming because it's so disappointing when it happens. (Or fails to happen.) They (the complaints) can thus be seen as an inverted compliment to Max for captaining a ship on which so many like to sail. Kendall - Wouldn't getting off the pike involve shifting anyway? If so, shouldn't it be "shift AND get off the pike"? What's a pike? Sounds painful. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Bobert Date: 07 Aug 04 - 08:41 AM Well, Iz sure this is gonna get this ol' hillbilly all jumped on... but is this really a money issue? I mean, sometimes the Catbox is a little sluggish and get over it. Did it get over it because someone sent in 20 bucks to feed it or did it get over it for some cyber-reason beyonds most of our abilitiies ti unnerstand? Not that I haven't sent a few buck in now and then 'cause I have but if the slowness is for some unknown cyber-thing them why turn it into a fund drive? Why not just say "Hey, danged if we know. It does this sometimes", if that is the case. You see, if that is the case then emptying wallets might not fix that particular situation... I would think that if money were an issue that Max would just make a plea, most folks would send in a few bucks and life would be good. But I don't think Max would gum up the Catbox without warning so others could pass around the donation bucket... Am I wrong? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 08:50 AM Are you ever? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Bobert Date: 07 Aug 04 - 08:58 AM Well, Giok, where's the last thread from MAX with a progress (unprogress) report asking for dough? I don't remeber one recently and I ain't got no crystal ball either... Every time he's asked for monry since I've been here, I think he'll be the first to tell you that I've sent some. So if that's the story, someone better start telling folks and nor assume that folks just happen to know the situation. And keep in mind that there are new folks who come in every week who don't happen to know anything at all... Like they teach in Dale Caragie Sales Training; "Don't be afraid to ask". Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 09:06 AM I was just being facetious in my last post Bobert. The last time MAX had a problem he did say, and it wasn't that long ago, I know I sent some bucks then, and the UK Friends of Mudcat via Gareth, sent some too. I know what you mean though about the assumption that there are techy problems when the site goes slow, and that it's down to lack of money. I myself sent Joe Offer a line, and he told me about the weather in Max's area. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 09:46 AM People have been sending Max money to fix the problems for years. The problems never seem to get fixed. Which tells me Max doesn't love Mudcat as much as everyone keeps proclaiming. If Max was willing to do what is necessary to maintain the damn site, he would be doing it by now. But because so many people here feed his dysfunctionality by appreciating him just enough to keep getting the internet junkie fix, nothing changes around here. Plenty of us know what it takes to maintain a website. In this day and age, that knowledge isn't something restricted to a high priesthood, no matter how much the luddite in denial faction around here wants to believe it is. This place is just a sub-standard, shoddy, second rate website people. Deal with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 09:53 AM Ooh er Mrs! Sounds like someone has rattled that old tarts cage. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:01 AM I disagree. The Mudcat is lots of things, but second-rate/shoddy it is NOT. Sometimes shit happens. That is why I started this thread. If shit happened, just say so. If it is a computer problem or programming problem, say so. If it's just one of those things, say so. If it's a need for cash, say so. A question is not a complaint, and my question wasn't meant to be taken that way. If anyone did, bite me. Incidentally, it is workin' jus' fine now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:05 AM Talk to me in another thread like this two years from now brucie, when the same shit is still happening, you aren't getting any reasonable explanations for it, and anyone who criticizes Max/the site gets flamed and their IP blocked for speaking truth to Mudcat power. You are still a new kid on the block. You may even believe that the Digital Tradition has value as a legitimate source for music scholarship. Some people believe in the tooth fairy too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:08 AM BTW brucie, over time you will also begin to realizing that demanding that Max tell you what is wrong ("If shit happened, just say so. If it is a computer problem or programming problem, say so. If it's just one of those things, say so. If it's a need for cash, say so.") gets you pegged as one of the troublemakers. NOBODY gets away with issuing challenges to Max, and NOBODY gets a timely, reasonable, sensible explanation of what is wrong with the website. What is wrong with the website is that it is owned by Max. It really is that simple. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: freda underhill Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:13 AM ..meanwhile, back at the ranch... thanks for the thread brucie, yes, my mudcat was mudcatatonic for the last couple of days, and the chat room was having earthquakes occasionally and throwing us out. but yes, its fine now, and there have been some good posts about too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: JennyO Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:21 AM Oh, you're THAT GUEST. There's only one troublemaker around here, and it ain't brucie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:36 AM You bet sweet-ums. Glad to see all of you sending money to Max to fix the problems has worked out so well for you. Suckers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:47 AM Guest - it is Max's sandbox. If you don't like it, leave or build your own. Some of us are having a lovely time with our pails and shvels. Why is that such a personal offence to you? Nevermind...I really don't care. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Bill D Date: 07 Aug 04 - 11:57 AM 8 years of this misery now, and I hope for 8 more...*grin*. (one does wonder why 'ol "Guest" keeps coming back. Maybe he/she is like some auto-racing fans, who go not to see who can drive the fastest, but to watch for wrecks.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 12:27 PM Definitely got a grudge, will whoever upset him/her originally please stand up, I have a medal with your name on it. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Jeri Date: 07 Aug 04 - 12:36 PM No. I think she simply knows she can get a rise out of folks. I haven't had any problems today at all. I think the power and phone companies must have fixed Mudcat for us. Thank you, power and phone guys! I have sent you a fairly large donation this month, but frankly, if your lines keep going down whenever there's a little thunderstorm or tornado, you can forget it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 12:41 PM No grudge. Not even any antipathy, despite you all needing to believe there is. I REALLY DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT HAPPENS HERE. I know it is so hard for all of you to believe that people can actually consistently use this website and not really give a shit about Max, or most of you losers who falsely worship him so you can keep your main internet fix going. But there are people who do just that. We use this website like we use any other website. We haven't made friends, family, connections for life, or any of those warm and fuzzy justifications you people use for sending your hard earned cash to someone who isn't using it for the purpose for which it is intended. So, you all have settled for second rate. Some of us haven't. I use the site, but that doesn't mean I have friggin' emotional attachment to Max, the site, or the majority of it's users, most of whom I find to be dull, isolated know nothings. There is some interesting banter to be had with the few intelligent, interesting people who still come here, though I will admit, those conversations are now pretty rare. So I too am reduced to amusing myself here with the entertainment value that comes from observing the many village idiots (it's SO easy to feel superior here!) that inhabit the place. And believe me, when one is bored and in a procrastination state of mind, this place does entertain on the village idiot level. Next! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:14 PM Guest... get a life... This is NOT a thread for Max-bashing... Ken... cry me a river... Modest means? Bad Luck? Life sucks... get a helmet... His Baby? It seems more to me like he's hidden it away in his basement and is trying to forget about it... There are solutions to Mudcats cash-flow problems that don't require begging, and that would address a lot of the shit-storm of the problems on all sides... (The tech and the 'personal') Brucie... 2nd rate doesn't even begin to describe the tech aspects of Mudcat... nor the quality of most of it's posts... especially of late... Sell a yearly 'memebership'... But give those who buy one something in return... Lemme think.. one such play I frequent did this and the 'members' got avatars, signiture fils, custom posting titles and a couple of other unnecesary but fun perks, as a way of saying thank you... Ya right... Mudcat can't hardly run text-only as it is... I shudder to think how sluggish and crashy this place would be with images... or the whinning that'd go on from stone-agers still on 28.8 dial-up modems... But for instance, Mudcat could look and function as well as say the Message Board at Ringbearer.org... could... and it's run by people of modest means, who have had runs of bad luck... And it's run well... I make suggestions because I see it as the only way of helping out... and I AM interested in helping out! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: kendall Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:19 PM Questions, How the hell do you know what Max does with the donations, and how the hell do you know how much is donated? If this is like Public Radio only about 10% of the listeners donate. The rest are freeloaders who have no right to run their mouths about shoddy service" As far as I'm concerned, both of you malcontents can fuck off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:23 PM All I can say is that if GUEST would relinquish his anonynity, and if Max were the litigous type, I think he would have pretty good grounds to sue GUEST for slander. Methinks you overstep the mark GUEST, and such accusations under the cover of anonymity, is the action of a coward. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:24 PM Clinton, you and I know the answer to the "Why is the 'cat so SLOW?" question is: Because Max owns and runs the website. Now, you can take that as Max bashing, or you can take it as I intend it--as the truth, without any frou frou bullshit to dress it up and make it more palatable. The reason why this place is second rate is because that is the way Max runs it. I don't make any value judgements on him personally. I judge the book by it's cover here. It isn't that tough to figure out, after you've been here for awhile, that Max has no intention of changing the set up, and that no amount of money being sent to him that remains completely unaccounted for, is going to change it. People send Max money, without him even asking. All Max has ever said is that he will never give an accounting of how he has used the money people send him. It is painfully obvious he hasn't used the money to fix the problems. If he had, this wouldn't be a second rate website, now would it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:29 PM People who use free websites on the internet aren't freeloaders, they are site users, and the vast majority of websites are free. There are free websites that run beautifully, and then there are amateur hour, rinky dink, half ass attempts at offering a free website, like this baby. I don't give a rat's ass how much money you all send Max. I don't give a rat's ass what Max does with it either. All I'm saying is, it is obvious Max isn't committed to running a good quality website, because he isn't running one. That is as plain as nose on his face, and the pimples on yer ass, there kendall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:33 PM Ken... that's part of my point... no one DOES know... So your GUESS at 10% is as valid as my guess that it might get spend on beer... IF National Pretentious Radio was off the air and as full of vitriol as Mudcat, you can bet people would bet calling in/writing in to complain... And you school-yard lanugage is uncalled for... Guest... "It is painfully obvious he hasn't used the money to fix the problems. If he had, this wouldn't be a second rate website, now would it?" Well, there you and I are in agreement... "no amount of money being sent to him that remains completely unaccounted for" Unaccounted is the reason I will send no money... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Amos Date: 07 Aug 04 - 01:38 PM Oh, Guest, go suck on a gas-main. Your bloviating self-importance is just as boring as anyone else's. If you're so fucking brilliant and above all the rest of the world, why the hell can't you rise above having to assert it so hard? I'm really glad you're so intelligent and you see through sop much, and you are so emotionally "cool" -- not to say frigid -- that none of any of al this even touches you. But why is it so needful for you to get others to acknowledge your superiority? That is not the mark of the superior human. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Aug 04 - 02:22 PM "This cat don't beg... it busks!" Then it needs to show up at it's corner with more regulatity, with an instrument that WORKS! If I was trying to give money to a busker and got as many "deadlock" errors as I get here, he'd starve to death on what'd I'd give him... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: GUEST,Lyle Date: 07 Aug 04 - 02:31 PM If guest-who-never-signs-a-name really felt as s/he has so often said, s/he would NEVER log on to mudcat. And guest-who-never-signs-a-name, we all know that you are at the very bottom end of a worthless job with little pay because that is all your intellect allows, that you know in your heart that everyone else in the world is far better than you, and so your only chance to see yourself as worthwhile is to post anonymously. That's why we allow you to continue - we are actually trying to be your therapist. Although sometimes when I read your asinine comments, I must admit I feel more like being a thera-pissed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 07 Aug 04 - 03:03 PM I don't usually even look "below the line", never mind post. However, I have just been ranting at the BBC music message boards about how clunky, non-user friendly, unreliable and generally fucking awful they are. This for a public service broadcasting organisation to which we in the UK forcibly contributes over £2 per week each in licence fees. As I admonished the Beeb, Mudcat manages to maintain a worldwide, generally fault-free site needing only the occasional reboot to a server located (as I understand it) on someone's kitchen table. Cherish what you've got, people, while you have it. If Max needs membership subscriptions from us to keep things going, let him post and say so. Many of us here, I imagine, would be a lot more willing to set up debits to Mudcat than to the Beeb. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: Peace Date: 07 Aug 04 - 03:12 PM bloviating? Thank you, Amos. I have learned a new word today. Never encountered it before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why is the 'cat so SLOW? From: SINSULL Date: 07 Aug 04 - 03:14 PM HMMM...the Mudcat sucks and only a few of us losers think that the DT has any value. So why are you here Guest? Must be because it's free and anonymous. For someone who doesn't give a rat's ass, you sure are emotional about this. Or is it that, try as we might, we never seem to stop feeding the trolls? And you thrive on the scraps from out table? |
