Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,Marion of Lubbock
Date: 11 Nov 10 - 01:26 PM

The Texans have it right! When someone gets a haircut, they better call "Ventchu rinctums" to be safe (until next haircut). If they don't, then anyone who calls "Rinctums" gets to rub the back of their head against the way their hair grows. My family has followed this little ritual for decades. I learned it from my father who was born in 1913 on a farm in Santa Ana, Texas.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 10 - 07:40 AM

A Rinktum is the same thing as a tantrum

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,Hobbie Joe, Jr
Date: 13 Jul 10 - 09:06 AM

My wife just called to tell me this story...

She and our 5 year old son were dropping off our 3 year old girl at day care this morning when he saw one of his sister's classmates getting out of the car. The classmate clearly had a fresh hair cut. Still sitting in the car, our son yells out across the yard, "RINKTUMS!!" Nobody else knew what he was talking about, but my wife was cracking up.

After she called, I decided to Google "Rinktums" and this is what I found. I didn't think I would find anything and was about to give up reading through these comments when I got to C Fry's. My dad was born and raised in and around Houston and he passed the Rinktums/Venture Rinktums tradition on to me and obviously on to my kids. This was a bittersweet moment, however, as my dad passed away just 6 short months ago. :-(   Thanks for the memories, Dad.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,MacDuff
Date: 09 Jul 10 - 06:58 AM

WOW. I'm from Fort Worth Texas raised by a dad from near Lubbock Texas and we definitely did the haircut thing! Rinctums, no returns made you safe to do the knuckle burn as described above. No rinctums saved your head. All this after hair cuts. Now we live in Indiana and my 5 kids and my wife all get a kick out of this. My 18 yr old son came in last night after a hair cut and made certain he shouted "no rinctums" to each member of the household as he saw them. I thought this was a fun game and started it with my family. My wife who is from near Corpus Christi never heard of it. It is lots of clean fun and a great tradition for a family to pass down. Funny that the girls can rinctum the boys but not the other way 'round.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,Eddie
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 12:25 PM

My family, from Alabama, used the haircut sense. However, it was delivered in a different manner -- the deliverer made a fist, with his thumb sticking out and down atop the victim's head, and then quickly flipped the fist over, in the process scraping/rapping the knuckles across the top of the head, while calling "Rinktum."

I also heard the word in grandpappy's version of "Froggy": Froggy went a-courtin' and he did ride, squatty-watty rinktum hymeo.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,Mark in DC
Date: 24 Jun 09 - 02:24 PM

Yes the Texans have it right, especially C Fry and H. Molson. After a haircut, growing up in Dallas, I had to yell Vince Rinktum. If I didn't my grandad (who was born in 1913) would use his knuckles to Indian burn the back of my neck up the base of the head. All they had to do was yell Rinktum before I yelled Vince Rinktum.

I have carried on this tradition with my nephew and nieces. Of course with the neices you have to be gentle. But the boys get a good burn, lol.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 02:23 PM

RINKTUM!!

I need a new keyboard

DT

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 02:22 PM

I always thought a riktum was one of those things you have to pay to download for your cellphone........

I'll get me coat!

Don T

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 11:20 AM

A belly flop at an ice skating rink...? It looks suspiciously like another one of those nonsense syllables for which the Irish people, especially, are famous; i.e., "Whack fol the diddle."

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 10:55 AM

I grew up on Cape Sable Island, Nova Scotia and rinktum or rinctum was term used to explain someone who had gotten into an angry state or rage or fit over something. As in "Johnny got himself into quite a rinktum over all the mess the kids left behind". My mom would often say to me if she saw I was getting upset over something "Now, don't go gettin' yourself into a rinktum over it".

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,JWW
Date: 07 Jul 08 - 10:55 PM

I grew up in Red River County in Northeast Texas and people would say "rinktums" to someone with a fresh haircut and rub the back of their head harshly in an upward motion with a knuckle. My mother says people used to say "Rinktums on your haircut" then rub the back of the person's head. My wife, who grew up in Western Louisians, had never heard of it, neither had her mother, so I decided to look on the Internet to see what I could find.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,Joanie
Date: 07 Jun 08 - 12:40 AM

My father, who was born in 1924 in Central Texas, would come home from work after stopping by for a haircut at the barber shop, and say "no rinctums, no returns" before anyone noticed he'd had a haircut. It was merely an indication to me that he'd gotten a haircut - I didn't know I was missing an opportunity to mess with him! It wasn't until a few years ago that I ever investigated what a rinctum is - it was just one of those things my dad said - never really followed up on it! If my father were still alive, I'd ask him to weigh in on this important matter that has been discussed on here since August of 2004!

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 23 May 08 - 03:17 AM

This was apparently the marching song of the American Brigade in the Spanish Civil War. Or, at least, so Charles Parker (of Radio Ballads, not the sax player) told us when he sang it.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 22 May 08 - 04:38 PM

If anyone remembers the old tune, "Hi-Ro Jerum," which contains the phrase "skin-a-ma-rink-e-dood-li-um," we may have now discovered a variation (expansion?)on the Rinktum theme...

I believe the song starts,
"There was a rich man, and he lived in Jerusalem
Glory Halleleuia, Hi-Ro Jerum..."

This was contained in an old "Song Fest" book from 1960 or so.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 22 May 08 - 03:25 AM

A sphing?

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,H. Molson
Date: 21 May 08 - 05:32 PM

I agree with C. Fry. My dad (born in 1924) and his generation used the expression when they were growing up in Houston. First to call Rinktums got to rub the back of your head near the hairline against the grain of your hair. If you called out Vince Rinktums first you were safe. But I haven't heard anybody use it in years.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,JudyBug
Date: 12 Apr 08 - 02:35 AM

My Grandmother, born about 1875 near Eros, Arkansas, used to sing a nonsense song which included the word, "rinktum." I think it was a version of Froggy's Gone A'Courtin' and sounded something like this, "Laddie go t'Rinktum, Kinero." She also sang a version of "Barbary Allen" which is different from the ones I have seen and heard collected.

I was born in 1935 and heard her sing that song often, but I can't remember it well. The word "rinktum" was never used in conversation when I was growing up in Rogers, AR and I heard it only in the song. I always assumed it was a place or a happening, maybe like a "playparty" which she mentioned many times as a gathering for the young people to get together and have a good time with music and games. I have no idea whether "kinero" is combination of syllables or a nonsense word. The song was definitely meant to be funny and the tune sounded to me like Froggy's Gone A'Courtin'.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: topical tom
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 09:47 AM

A nervous stomach experienced while skating or playing hockey.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 12 Dec 07 - 10:07 AM

' musha rinktum doo rum da ....'??

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Nerd
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 04:29 PM

Rinktum is another word for icehole....

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 03:09 PM

My theory about many of these nonsense syllables found in Anglo-American folk music
stem from Irish Gaelic words that when crossing the Pond lost their meaning. It could be Scot's "Gaelic" also. Hence you have "kimo-kymo bobalinkadydos" all over the place.
Just my take.

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,...................Your Friend Ben..........
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 01:00 PM

My Step dad was born in 1925 in INDIANA. His grandfather used the word rinktum to describe a gaget or sinple but usefull machine or tool. I see you have a new rinktum on your model-"T"there. Yup. Its a windshield wiper.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,C Fry
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:22 PM

NO NO NO. None of you have it right.When you get a fresh Haircut and someone notices it and says "Rinktums" then they get to rub their knuckles
hard along your sideburns or the back of your head against the grain.
Now if you holler "Vench Rinktums or Venture Rinktums" then you are safe until next haircut.
Everyone in West Texas knows this.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: DADGBE
Date: 08 May 06 - 08:48 PM

Hi Bard Judith,

Here's more about country music duo Lulu Belle and Scotty than you probably ever wanted to know.

Lulu Belle (Myrtle Cooper, 1913-1999) was one of radio station WLS's most popular personalities (in 1936 she was elected "Queen of all Radio"), and a regular on the "National Barn Dance" into the 1950's. She married Scott ("Skyland Scotty") Wiseman. The couple teamed up as "Lulu Belle and Scotty."

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,east texan
Date: 07 May 06 - 10:33 PM

So in east texas backwoods the word refers to the outcome of home engineering, such as building a fence or chicken coop. It can be used in either a negative or positive way. It can be used like "rinky dink" meaning that the end result left much to be desired, or with the right inflection, it can mean that it is "the bomb".

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Kaleea
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 02:01 PM

Now I'm really cornfused! I visited many etymology sites this AM, and have sent inquiries to a few "experts." If I ever hear from any of them, I'll post the answer.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Artful Codger
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 01:48 PM

A rinktum is what you program into you cell phum.

And doo-wah-diddy (diddy dum) is yegg's rhyming slang for duodenum.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 12:47 PM

I found a reference to a word: spizzerinktum or spizzer inktum
and this note:
"As Merriam-Webster editors have pointed out in their May 2005 newsletter, it has been speculated “that the word derives in whole from Latin specie rectum, literally, ‘the right kind’â€"but that etymology appears to be a misguided attempt to make something more of good old American slang than is warranted.â€쳌

Full entry on Spizzerinctum

Another cross-back link to Mudcat:

Madam I have come a courtin- Quaker Song

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Bard Judith
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:45 PM

Ooops, hit the post button too fast!

Here's a great piece called "Rosy Rinctum Mary", available at http://www.missouristate.edu/folksong/maxhunter/1358/index.html - gloss: "The Max Hunter Collection is an archive of almost 1600 Ozark Mountain folk songs, recorded between 1956 and 1976."

That itself cross-links to http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=59230 'Harris, Plantation Songs' a discussion on the database and leads us back to a 'Christmas Play Party' written in dialect by Harris which contains our rinky-dinky hero in the chorus.

Whew! Don't know if that brings us any closer to answering the question.... but at least we can have a go at eliminating some 'false starters'...

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Bard Judith
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:30 PM

According to several other cuisine websites, the Rinktum Ditty / Diddy / Tiddy is of Welsh origin. If you read the recipe, it looks like a fancied-up Welsh Rarebit / Welsh Rabbit, so that does sound reasonable. Does that argue a Welsh origin for the word itself?

http://music4kidsandmore.com/duckinmillpond.html will give you not only the words but the midi for "Duck in the Millpond", with the chorus of "Lord, Lord, gonna get on a rinktum" (4X)    (Let us hope the 'rectum' interpretation is by now far behind us...)

And apparently the Alka-Seltzer Song Book - "Circa 1937. Condition: Good Plus Wonderful booklet full of period ads and beloved songs of the era...." includes a melody called 'Hi Rinktum Inktum' (with photo of Lulu Belle and Scotty).   Who Lulu Belle and Scotty were, I shall never know - candidates for the plugged product, perhaps, after a steady diet of 'beloved songs of the era'...

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 10:21 PM

Check this out:

rinktum tiddy - A dish consisting of cheese, tomatoes, onion, egg, and pepper, on toast

from this webspage:
Vol. 1, No. 1 Dictionary of American Regional English

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Bard Judith
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 09:52 PM

Is a 'fa la la' related to a 'fol-de-rol'?

Apart from being able to deck halls nicely with both, that is....

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: kendall
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:19 PM

Phil Harris sang...doo wa ditty it aint no town it aint no city, it's just a place called doo wa ditty, and that's what I like about the south.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 01:27 PM

Tannywheeler is right about Burl Ives use of the word. His 'Devilish Mary' has a 'rinkum, dinktum, derry' chorus. Not heard it elsewhere though.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From:
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:35 PM

Usage in south eastern Oklahoma in the 1940-50's is just as described below. The expression was frequently used by one of my uncles.

There was also some kind of kid game where doing someting...I foreget what..triggered your companions to shout "Rinktums!". The first one doing so was entitled to "skin your rinktum" in the sense described below.

I left southeastern OK in 1953, returning occasionally for brief periods after 1978. I don't remember hearing the word anywhere after 1953. My memory of it was triggered by reading Faulkner.


Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,[e-mail]
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 04:10 PM

In west Texas the word rinktum or rinktums refers to the act of rubbing another person's scalp vigorously to the point of pain and is a favorite ploy of pre-adolescent boys. It can also mean to strike a sharp blow on someone's upper arm with a closed fist.   In my opinion, the Faulkner phrase, "I'll skin your rinktum", is a juvenile threat which would involve grabbing hold of someone by the neck and scouring the top of their head with your knuckles. This might also be known as a "Dutch rub" or even an "indian duck rub".

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 May 05 - 07:41 PM

She was so standoffish they called her Ice Rinktum. And him? Why, he was such a blowhard he never bothered with two facts if he could make one of them up, and he just glided through life like that, which is how he came to be called Skating Rinktum. And he had a cousin who fell on his ass about thirteen thousand times trying to learn to skateboard, and never did succeed -- a problem with the inner ear he inherited from his grandma, they say. He was known as Roller Rinktum. He had a sister called Damineer, as I recall, but she changed her named when she married Jimmy Kiltim from over near Pine Gorge.

Amos

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 May 05 - 07:33 PM

I've been looking for this word for a while too - wonder if this triggers anything for somebody?

From the "Arkansas City Republican", July 4, 1885.

Friends, remember that the REPUBLICAN sanctum is now in the rear room of the Cowley County Bank building, directly over the composing rooms. Call and see us in our new "rinktum."

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,Declan
Date: 05 May 05 - 05:28 AM

Judging by recent threads, you won't get put out of this church for talking about diddy-wah-diddy to much.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 May 05 - 08:39 PM

With me RINGDUM doo dee ay, whack faldee oh, there's whisky in the jar.   Irish nonsense chorus!

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From:
Date: 04 May 05 - 07:01 PM

I grew up in the southern Appalachians; southwest Virginia. My grandmother (b. 1899) and others of her generation used this phrase: "Hit ain't worth a pewter rinctum [rinktum?]." I always took this to mean some item of little worth, such as (I imagined) a pewter ring, or some kind of small curio. I can't come up with any other references. The new Dictionary of Smoky Mountain English doesn't include the word. However, I'm very doubtful that the mountain people in Virginia were using the word to mean "anus." Would like to hear if anyone else is familiar with this usage.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From:
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 04:10 PM

In west Texas the word rinktum or rinktums refers to the act of rubbing another person's scalp vigorously to the point of pain and is a favorite ploy of pre-adolescent boys. It can also mean to strike a sharp blow on someone's upper arm with a closed fist.   In my opinion, the Faulkner phrase, "I'll skin your rinktum", is a juvenile threat which would involve grabbing hold of someone by the neck and scouring the top of their head with your knuckles. This might also be known as a "Dutch rub" or even an "indian duck rub".

It is a living language. As for the derivation of "rinktum" in the first place...the Scots term may play a part along with the euphemistic modification of rectum.    In actual usage since the 1940s in west Texas the term always connotes threatened punishment in the sense of ,"I'm awn kick your ass."   But, as the simple minded bouncer from Sy's Old Barn in Pampa, Texas once declared before the assembled loafers in front of Dim's Gulf filling station in Miami, Texas, "You know, these people go on telling me how they awn whup my ass but then by God they always hit me in the face."

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: JennyO
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 10:33 PM

No, but you sing it when you are walking down the street :-)

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,Learaí na Láibe
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 07:58 PM

Anyone know what's a "doo wah diddy" ?

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 04:24 PM

Sounds like Wandering Minstrel speaks from experience. The rest of you are probably spring chickens. "Rinktum" occurs in several songs as part of a nonsense-syllable chorus. Look up Burl Ives recordings and you'll see -- also an occasional "dinktum" may turn up. Related species, I think, but Wandering Minstrel may have further scientific info. Tw

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 07:45 AM

its the long thin bit with a loop at each end that fits between the Hinktum and the folderiddlido without which your rifoltheday may become unhitched at high speeds.

Not a pretty sight I can assure you

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,joe
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 12:10 AM

i've only heard the word coming right after 'spizza' & that most always after '...fall on you're...'. i assumed it was a technical term.

Subject: RE: Folklore/Linguistics: What's a Rinktum?
From: GUEST,Lonesome Gillette
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 09:08 AM

Thanks everyone, now my band has lots to debate next rehearsal about the meaning of Ducks on the Millpond.
very helpful

Subject: RE: BS: What's a Rinktum?
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Aug 04 - 08:17 PM

HMMM. I just don't see Kendall flailing on the ice or in the garden, 12-string in hand and juggling a curling broom. Doing cartwheels in in a large garden, maybe, but only to distract others from seeing what Seamus is up to in the tiger lilies.

Subject: RE: BS: What's a Rinktum?
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Aug 04 - 05:39 PM

"Rink" is a Scots (!) word meaning a large open space for bowling, curling, or yes, skating.
"Tumble" (or if we're going to stick to Scots, "tummle") is doing somersaults, cartwheels, or perhaps dancing with wild abandon or just flailing about.

You can stick them together and get "rink-tummle' and it's your basic wild garden party or possibly flailing around in a place you're supposed to be bowling or curling or skating. (Sounds like an average hockey game.) You shorten "rink-tummle" to "rinktum," and voila!

...or not.

Subject: RE: BS: What's a Rinktum?
From: Nerd
Date: 09 Aug 04 - 05:03 PM

I think a rinktum is an asshole who plays hockey...