Any other Newfoundlander's around here

Subject: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: The Fenian
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 05:11 PM

So I created this thread to see how many other Newfoundlanders there are in this thing. Anyone else is welcome to join in the discussion. I don't know about the rest of you but the term Newfie really, really, really gets under my skin. And when I hear it in songs it just makes me wanna throw up. I heard a song today using the word and it was a disguting song besides that. This is not the kind of message our music should be getting across to the listeners. Anyway that's it, just had to get that out of my system.

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: harpgirl
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 05:29 PM

I imagine Newfoundlanders to be hearty, capable people such as those in "The Shipping News". The term Newfie has no negative meaning to me. I suppose any derogatory term evokes in one a negative self-image which is the dark side of whatever one's identification is...oh and I think of Cape Breton fiddling...Isn't that Newfoundland? I would love to see NFL. I am sure I would thrive on the intensity of the elements....You must love it, Fenian cheeers...harpgirl (watching out for H.Mitch)

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: John Nolan
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 09:00 PM

By the Lord Ryan, by the thunderin' G
How are you doing, you son of a B?
You can't fool your old man by dressing like that
You're still just a NEWFIE in a Calgary hat.

The last time I went back to the Rampike Festival in Mount Carmel, that chorus was still the rage, with no discernible mumbling of the word Newfie. Of course, there is that unfortunate rhyme, "goofy," but with my family, the connotation is not always inapt. (If any of you Nolans are reading this - just kidding.)

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: Mo
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 09:10 PM

I'm with harpgirl - I have no bad connotations with Newfie - but then, I hate it when I'm called Scotch rather than Scottish. In my heart I know it doesn't matter as such, it just shows a level of ignorance - it it the same feeling for you? If so, never again will I call a Newfoundlander a "Newfie"! Not been to Newfoundland yet, though like Harpgirl, I've read Shipping News. I've been to Nova Scotia - and love it -though maybe that's "close but no cigar" as far as your concerned?! Cheers, Mo

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: northfolk
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 09:20 PM

Len Wallace and Charlie King both sing it I think... starts out, I'm an Newfoundlander, not Canadian, not by a damn sight, yet... It's a rollicking good song, give it a listen...plays on the nationalism, but not in no bad way. Hope it makes up for the songs with the lyrics that build the negative charicature.

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 27 Oct 98 - 11:04 PM

I first heard "Newfie" in "moron" jokes, so I don't use the word. (Except in jokes. Dese t'ree Newfies were out huntin', roight, and dey made a deal, dat whoever complained abaout de cookin'... Okay, I'll stop.)

Harpgirl, it's about a nine-hour ferry ride from Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia, to Newfoundland. (Sydney to Port-aux-Basques.)

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: harpgirl
Date: 28 Oct 98 - 12:26 AM

Jerry,
I figured I might be a few hundred miles off...although I do go out of the way to appear thickheaded. It's a girl trick.And sheet, ah payed fur ma own phd....now that's dumb...harp

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: Bob Landry
Date: 28 Oct 98 - 01:18 PM

When my brother (a Cape Bretoner) married a girl in Grand Falls, Nfld, I requested a special tune be played shortly after the first waltz: I'm Going Home to Marry a Newfie Girl". It was a hoot.

The Newfoundlanders I know are not at all concerned about being called Newfies. You run a greater risk of eliciting a negative with some Newfoundlanders if you call them "Canadians" ... a legacy of the debates when Newfoundlanders voted on joining Canada in 1949.

Bob

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: John Nolan
Date: 28 Oct 98 - 07:10 PM

P.S. I think it was just a teensy weensy bit "goofy" to put an apostrophe in Newfoundlanders. Yis bye!

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: The Fenian
Date: 28 Oct 98 - 08:58 PM

Nolan that was a mistake on my part I had the thing written like it and created the thread just as I was noticing it myself. The reference with Newfie as derogatory term comes from many places but was mainly used that way by the Americans or "Yanks" if you wanna call them that and noone is offended by it. My father grew up near such a base and the turn Newfie was always used as a pudown or was meant to have a belittling effect. It was used in such sentances as "Stupid Newfie" or "look at the stupid neuf, cant even figure out such and such a thing" Anyway some people may like the term but not everyone does so use it accordingly.

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From:
Date: 29 Oct 98 - 12:08 AM

The DT seems to be clear of the term Newfie. But one song uses Newfy as an abbreviation for Newfoundland. I also seem to remember hearing St. Johns referred to as "Newfy Johns" when I was on a seismic boat off Nova Scotia in 1971.

By the way, didn't Stompin Tom claim that the man in the moon was a newfie?

Frank Phillips

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From:
Date: 29 Oct 98 - 12:44 AM

Here's Stompin Tom's song. I think the term newfie is used to fit the rhyme scheme and the whole song strikes me as more whimsical than derogatory. Click here

Frank Phillips

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From:
Date: 29 Oct 98 - 12:49 AM

OOOPS try again to get the URL right.

Maybe here

Frank Phillips

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: The Fenian
Date: 30 Oct 98 - 03:51 PM

Anyway are there any other Newfoundlanders in this Cafe or not?

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: McMusic
Date: 31 Oct 98 - 03:21 AM

Hi Fenian I'm not from NFL, but I thought I'd say hello from Virginia anyway. I do have a cousin, Eva, who lives in Newfoundland, but I'm not sure exactly where (she's a second cousin, I think). By the way, I always considered a "Newfie" to be a shortened term for the dog; the person is a Newfoundlander. And to all a good night.....

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: John Nolan
Date: 01 Nov 98 - 12:22 PM

Well, as Bill Clinton might say, it depends what you mean by Newfoundlander. Will "maybe" suffice? What are the consequences of saying "yes"? Will you then send me raffle tickets?

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: BRACKEN
Date: 01 Nov 98 - 07:24 PM

I know I won't count as a Newfoundlander but from the sound of it may be the closest thing to answer. I lived in St. Anthony, Newfoundland for a while and still believe they were the best years of my life. I have lived in several communities across Canada but none can compare with the sense of warmth, caring and shear fun of the Newfoundlanders. Even though the community I live in now has musical evenings they can't compare with the spontaneous, whimsical evenings we had there in the middle of the long winters. Someone was sure to pull out a harmonica, or squeeze box or a fiddle (along with a flask of rum) and the next thing you know the evenings warming up. When I hear someone called a "Newfie" I immediately look to see who! so I can talk to them. I now live on the "other" coast and look forward to a still distant retirement so that I can return.

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: The Fenian
Date: 01 Nov 98 - 07:51 PM

BRACKEN, did you live in the community of ST. Anthony or just in the general vicinity and McMusic thanks for the recognition as a person being a Newfoundlander and not a Newfie. I don't know so much about using it on the dog but that could be easily tolerated becuase how could you ever put down such a great animal. So any names could not be considered derogatory. I know none of this probably makes sense to anybody but myself so take it with a grain of salt.

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: Einnor
Date: 02 Nov 98 - 05:09 AM

I've always loved the Newfoudland girls. There is definitely a special way about them. The Newfoundland men are great works of art as well. Always had alot of fun with the Newfies.

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: The Fenian
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 02:55 PM

Thanks for the kinds words and I know ya didn't mean anything bad when you said newfie but it was still a bit harsh

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: John Nolan
Date: 03 Nov 98 - 05:19 PM

Which bit of the Rock are you from Fenian?

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: BRACKEN
Date: 04 Nov 98 - 08:56 PM

Fenian, I lived in St. Anthony itself but did quite a bit of exploring around including some hair raising trips across the frozen ponds to visit nearby outports in the winter, usually without telling anyone where I was going. I even did some exploring to labrador and the northern edge of Quebec. I ran the wild ponies on the coast near St. Barbe when there were still herds of them, and visited the beginnings of the excavations at Lanse aux Meadows where the vikings landed when they were just bumps in the fields, watched icebergs heading south along the coast the size of skyscrapers. Watched the ice breaker come in to the harbour to let out the fishing fleet in May. I still keep Killigrew's Soiree, Lukey's Boat and a few other tunes I learned there in my repetoire along with a few french canadian ones I learned back there and still drink rum. Where are you from on the rock and are you still in Newfoundland or like many others moved to Canada to find work?

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: The Fenian
Date: 10 Nov 98 - 09:00 AM

No I'm still on the rock and am living in St. John's now and attending MUN. I'm originally from Pasadena( located on the West Coast about 15 minutes drive from Corner Brook). Bracken, sounds to me like you've had quite a few fabulous experiences! I especially like the thought of treking around on the Labrador. There's was an add campaign that plaid off on the tune of the Killigrews Soiree to attract tourists and the like to Newfoundland. I don't know if you have seen it but it was done up pretty good. The band playing was Celtic Connection and they are not the best but did alright on this commercial.

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: little john cameron
Date: 26 Jun 00 - 06:40 PM

Too bad ah never came across this site earlier.The Newfie controversey is still ragin' so ye're better tae play it safe an' stick wi' Newfoundlander.Nae sense in lookin' for trouble.
Ah've lived here 30 yrs an' still got aw'll mah teeth. LJC.

Subject: RE: Any other Newfoundlander's around here
From: GUEST,Pete peterson (at work)
Date: 27 Jun 00 - 08:37 AM

I raised four of them-- we used to make up songs about them, such as (tune, is A British Tar (from HMS Pinafore-- Gilbert and Sullivan )
The Newfoundland is a large black dog, beloved by all who know him
On land he likes to roam, but the water is his home,; on each we try to show him
His back is broad and his tail hangs straight
And he should walk with a rolling gait
His head is large and his tongue protrudes
And this should be his customary attitude

the second part is taken almost word for word from the CKC Breed Standard, which the AKC copied almost verbatim