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BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?

gnu 05 Apr 12 - 06:04 PM
John P 05 Apr 12 - 05:53 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 Apr 12 - 05:48 PM
John P 05 Apr 12 - 05:17 PM
John P 05 Apr 12 - 05:13 PM
Don Firth 05 Apr 12 - 05:05 PM
Little Hawk 05 Apr 12 - 04:46 PM
Don Firth 05 Apr 12 - 04:43 PM
gnu 05 Apr 12 - 04:38 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 Apr 12 - 04:30 PM
gnu 05 Apr 12 - 04:12 PM
Don Firth 05 Apr 12 - 03:57 PM
GUEST,Guesr from Sanity 05 Apr 12 - 03:23 PM
gnu 05 Apr 12 - 02:39 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 05 Apr 12 - 01:48 PM
gnu 05 Apr 12 - 01:43 PM
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MGM·Lion 05 Apr 12 - 01:26 PM
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saulgoldie 05 Apr 12 - 11:58 AM
Jim Carroll 05 Apr 12 - 11:56 AM
Stilly River Sage 05 Apr 12 - 10:40 AM
John P 05 Apr 12 - 10:29 AM
John P 05 Apr 12 - 09:08 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 05 Apr 12 - 05:52 AM
Backwoodsman 05 Apr 12 - 05:03 AM
Ebbie 05 Apr 12 - 02:55 AM
Don Firth 04 Apr 12 - 07:16 PM
GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River 04 Apr 12 - 12:53 PM
Megan L 04 Apr 12 - 03:24 AM
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Keith A of Hertford 03 Apr 12 - 11:45 AM
Musket 03 Apr 12 - 07:13 AM
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Big Al Whittle 03 Apr 12 - 06:24 AM
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Musket 03 Apr 12 - 04:55 AM
gnu 02 Apr 12 - 04:26 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 06:04 PM

LH... when someone punches me or my friend(s) in the nose, that in NO WAY means I or they are seeking the punch and I take serious offense to you saying that I or my friends do so. Anyone who "punches" for no good reason, especially trolls and bullies, gets punched back.

THAT is a SERIOUS post.

Trolls and bullies shall not be tolerated and no amount of psycho-babble will change that. Glad it works for you. Me, I don't take shit from assholes.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: John P
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 05:53 PM

So demonize everyone who doesn't go along with your 'politics'...welcome to Germany 1937!!!

Wow, I don't even have to prove my point with GfS. He's doing it for me!

By the way, almost every post I've seen get deleted on Mudcat has been because they were personal attacks. Trying to make it sound like political censorship is just one more example of people not taking responsibility for what they say.

Once again, GfS, I don't demonize you because of your politics. I demonize you because of your overt bigotry and your senseless attacks on other people. I'd love to have a reasoned politic discussion on Mudcat that didn't include attacks. I've seen you trying really hard to do that, but your abrasive nature almost always gets the better of you.

It's really simple: talk about what's being talked about, not each other.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 05:48 PM

Don: "Little Hawk, there are SERIOUS people in this world who are interested in the issues that effect them and the rest of society. It is a learning experience to discuss and debate these issues with others."

Even when you're 'seriously wrong'???

John P: "I'm sorry, Little Hawk. Please don't try again. Just don't go there at all. None of your business and you're almost always incorrect."

Now you attacking Little Hawk????????? I rest my case!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: John P
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 05:17 PM

I'm sorry, Little Hawk. Please don't try again. Just don't go there at all. None of your business and you're almost always incorrect.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: John P
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 05:13 PM

Little Hawk, you're doing it too. We're not angry, even though you have apparently decided that you know our inner emotional states and have decided to share. Care to try again?

Here's a hint: tired of boorish behavior. Tired of ad hominem attacks, which is what you often do, no matter how philosophically you word it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 05:05 PM

Little Hawk, there are SERIOUS people in this world who are interested in the issues that effect them and the rest of society. It is a learning experience to discuss and debate these issues with others.

But ever since the time of Plato, there have been those who did not know enough about issues to seriously discuss them, but jumped in with a loug mouth and a foul vocabulary and tried to intimiate others with shouting and insults. Back in those days, those who would not participate in the dialogs in a rational and polite manner were frog-walked to the door and kicked out into the streets where they belonged.

So when someone comes into this forum and acts in an uncivilized manner, banning them by blocking their IP address is merely an modern technological way of booting them out the door so the adults can continue to discuss things rationally.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 04:46 PM

Okay. So some of you want serious posts here, do you? Fine.

Peace (and quiet) are found within oneself...not by attempting to control, dominate, and intimidate other people. Your real business in life is to control yourself, not to control others.

If one insists on seeking out conflict with other people, one will definitely find it. That's a guarantee. One will be at continual war with others. If one becomes too emotionally attached to one's own sense of aggrieved righteousness to let go of past disagreements with other people, then one will remain a prisoner of one's own negative emotions, and will probably cause some disturbance to others as well...if they bother to react to it. (But if they're wise, they will not react to it.)

And if they don't, all you combative types will hear is the sound of your own angry voice bouncing back at you off the wall of anger you have built around yourself.

That's self-imprisonment.

Let him who has ears to hear listen and understand. He that is deaf will just keep yelling. Free yourself. No one else is going to do it for you. If you want peace.......make it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 04:43 PM

Just keep it up, GfS, and you may just have personal experience with getting blocked. And it won't be because of your political opinions, it wiil be a direct result of your, shall we say, "social skills?"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 04:38 PM

Bullshit. Put yer money where yer mouth is. Ask Max. And stop trolling. It's really tiresome for me and a LOT of other Mudcatters.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 04:30 PM

Sounds good, but not true.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 04:12 PM

That is a perasonal attack. And, I figure it's bullshit. Just like a lot of other posts... you know who you are.

Ya wanna get some sympathy, ask Max. But, as I said, don't waste your time. Yes, that's what I was saying earlier. The mods do their jobs to the best of their ability. If your posts are deleted, it's because you fucked up. Don't whine about it in posts unless you truly have an arguement. If so, PM Max. If you don't PM Max, you fucked up. Case closed. And, there have been people banned from this site before so "be careful" who YOU attack.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 03:57 PM

Disappearing posts have less to do with censoring people's political opinions than it does with sheer bloody RUDENESS on the part of certain posters who are habitually and intentionally obnoxious.

It's interesting to note that there are those, many unfortunately right here on Mudcat, who, as long as they are sitting safely in isolation behind their computer keyboards and their anonymity, who feel free to say things that, were they to say them face-to-face to someone in the 3-D world, might result in that person grabbing them by the shirt-front, shoving them against a wall, and slapping the living snot out of them!

Cowards as well as barbarians.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Guesr from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 03:23 PM

beardedbruce, You'd think that fair and open exchange of ideas, would be welcome, especially on a site, that would encourage creativity in the arts! When it comes to deleting posts, that clearly are truthful, and links that expose mis- & dis- information, one would expect appreciation, that the record gets set straight. In these cases, the disinformation which caters to propping up divisions and hostilities within our culture, nation and influences, seem to be not only welcomed but encouraged. This is flat out wrong, and stupid!! If one's 'politics' needs this kind of absolute nonsense and lies, then I'd say re-assess your politics!
That being said, I've been painted as a 'right wing-nut'..and nothing could be further from the truth...What I'd rather promote, is a healthy exchange of ideas, whether either side wants to agree or not!
I think the deleted posts should be put back up, and let the posters decide...not the propaganda machinery and their mechanics!

Regards,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 02:39 PM

Sooo... I assume you mean Joe Offer... maybe?

Joe doesn't delete posts. Joe doesn't set policy. And, posts are deleted by mods for a reason. If you wanna discuss deletions, take it up with Max, although, I think you shouldn't waste his time. This is the most "freedom of speech" site on the net. Methinks you doth protest too much... well, probably.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 01:48 PM

..gnu, a whole lot that are being deleted, because the politicos can't stand the truth....click the link, before it's gone too!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 01:43 PM

What post are you referring to GfS?


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 01:41 PM

When the ideologues were running rampant, and I called for patience...

...but radical wannabes don't want the truth!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 01:40 PM

So demonize everyone who doesn't go along with your 'politics'...welcome to Germany 1937!!!
Joe, I'm really disappointed in this practice!
Dylan would have been censored, too!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 01:26 PM

When he sneezes, bugger it!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 01:24 PM

I am reminded of the Duchess's song in Alice In Wonderland ~~

Speak roughly to your little boy
And beat him when he teases
He only does it to annoy
Because he knows it teases


Perhaps we can employ Megan L for the purpose rubricated in line 2: she would appear to be MC's resident skelper.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 12:29 PM

Still ~ the apparent deletion between 0908 & 1029 has left those of us who have been following but didn't log on in time in something of a limbo. Could we at least perhaps have some sort of expletive-deleted simulacrum restored in the interests of clarity?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 11:58 AM

I'm gonna hold my breath until I turn blue, etc. And if we ignore them long enough...

Saul

The moon is full tonight. Perhaps this will pass soon.
-- Mudelf, who would have left Bluesman's raison d'etre except for the nasty slang used to insult minorities.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 11:56 AM

"Two extremely obnoxious guests...."
I was wondering if somebody was going to get round to mentioning this - well done John P - you've restored my faith in humanity.
Gave me a bit of a buzz to be told "Do what I do, ignore obnoxious posters, sadly there is no shortage of them here" - by somebody who, at the same time, was jackbooting his way through the 'Discrimination against Roma' thread - (now closed, thanks to his behaviour there)
Anybody who doubts this, I suggest they take a peep before it
disappears altogether (only for strong stomachs though)
"Your world is closing in on you!"
Had similar experiences with GfS in the past.
There - broken my silence - will the mystery guest please step forward and reveal him/herself and claim their prize.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 10:40 AM

My answer had only to do with framus's question: What do you do about all the (alleged) catters who adopt false IDs, defame members and put up totally false posts - surely they are the really obnoxious members. Joking TOTALLY apart.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: John P
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 10:29 AM

Ah, so you've decided that I'm feeling some sort of heat and have decided to share this "insight" with the world, in terms that imply some sort of cowardice on my part.

The difference, you see, is that I respond to what people actually say. You and GfS, on the other hand usually simply lash out with unfounded assumptions about the validity and intelligence of others, and do so in demeaning and disrespectful terms. This is one of the prime examples of obnoxious internet forum behavior.

Another smaller difference is that I sign my name and am a member of Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: John P
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 09:08 AM

Let's get real here. Two extremely obnoxious guests are taking part in this conversation and pretending that they don't like obnoxious posts. Bluesman and Guest from Sanity have both spent so much time posting bigotry, bile, and personal attacks, directed at both Mudcat members and people in general, that I would find anything they have to say on this subject hilarious if it weren't so tragically hypocritical.

If you guys act like bigoted assholes, you better be ready to take the heat for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 05:52 AM

Nice thought BWM, but you can't teach the really obnoxious ones anything.

They have neither the desire nor the equipment for learning.

SRS, you are one hundred percent correct. The most obnoxious share the christian name GUEST and numerous different surnames.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 05:03 AM

Teach 'em the difference between 'their' and 'there'. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 02:55 AM

This is what Stilly responded to: "What do you do about all the (alleged) catters who adopt false IDs, defame members and put up totally false posts - surely they are the really obnoxious members."

I think attacking her is out of line.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 07:16 PM

I like the crazy glue idea. Put it on their toilet seats!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 12:53 PM

What the FLIP!??   You SCALP yer kids over in Scotland?

I think that is goin' way too far! No wonder the flippin' English deesided to take over the place back in 1800 and kill half the people to keep the rest in line, eh?

You would never see a McBride scalp there own kids. Geez! Maybe someone else's kids. But surely not there own!

- Shane


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Megan L
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 03:24 AM

Shane dear was that from personal experience? Granny jis pits them ower her knee and skelps them.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 02:09 AM

You gotta get real tuff with them kinda people.

Take away there dope!

Ground 'em!

Cut there illegal TV cables so's they can't watch "Swamp People"!

Infest there flippin' compyuders with a real bad virus!

Slash there flippin' tires so's they can't drive to the Beer STore!

Tell the cops where there stuff is stashed!

Spread word that they got a real nasty soshial disease so no one will date 'em!

Put crazy glue in there door locks!

And on the door handles too!

Put water in there gas tank!

Put red pepper in their flippin' underwhere and vaseleen in their socks!

Lock a skunk inside there car!

Strip 'em naked and throw 'em out on main street durin' rush hour!

And finally...................................


TAKE AWAY ALL THERE BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That oughta flippin' set 'em to rights, eh?

- Shane


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 10:09 PM

Delete them.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: framus
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 09:25 PM

What do you do about all the (alleged) catters who adopt false IDs, defame members and put up totally false posts - surely they are the really obnoxious members. Joking TOTALLY apart.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 11:45 AM

Bronco, Bronco, tear it along the dotted line...

You may recognise the source and the tune.
I don't remember a second line, though.


"Bronco, Bronco, just in time."


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Musket
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 07:13 AM

Accepted Jim.

Come on Al, we all say things to get a reaction from time to time.. Writing songs can be to get a reaction? Thinking deeply for a moment, every time someone sings a song that parodies or offend others, (political songs?) the person hearing it feels the singer is being obnoxious.

As Albert says, it's all relative.

And as I say, it is not easy to discuss things to a point of accepting the other's viewpoint on these threads, it is far easier to dig in and plug away, hence we can all come over that way. Better to mean to be than not realise I suppose? And that seems to be me, especially when confronting our more evangelical brethren...


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: theleveller
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 06:47 AM

You mean there are other forums where you're allowed to be obnoxious? WOW, please tell me where. I feel I've been hiding my light under a bushel.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 06:27 AM

Ignore 'em. If they post useful info above the line, that is fine. If they post ridiculous posts below the line, just don't respond. Eventually they will get bored and go to some other forum.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 06:24 AM

'I enjoy being obnoxious from time to time'

Classic! as Jeremy Kyle says - you are the quotes biological father!


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 05:59 AM

"I bet he returns "
Only to apologise
"Nobody on this thread has called an Irishman a Paddy,"
Deepest apologiees Ian - I misread your posting - apart from that, everything else stands.
Byeee
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 05:28 AM

'Tis a shame....because some of my very closest musical friends are Irish/Celts...and I would NEVER even THINK to call them anything other than musicians.....and REALLY AWESOME ones at that!....and even though they are pretty well, internationally known, they are even more awesome, than what they are known for!

..........and I respect that..and them!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Musket
Date: 03 Apr 12 - 04:55 AM

Notice that? Nobody on this thread has called an Irishman a Paddy, yet Jim Carrol reserves the right to be sanctimonious. I believe I stated that somebody having a temper tantrum was called, in most the UK, having a paddy. For someone who rattles on about preserving heritage, he certainly does know how to stifle it...

Does that mean all the people you namedrop in your earlier rant are in your eyes paddies? That's what I seem to be reading? Or is it that they all get angry and have a hissy fit? (With respect to all ethnic hissies out there...)

I suppose that when an industrial unit of mine was broken into eight times over a fortnight and when the police raided the conveniently situated impromptu caravans at the end of the estate, they found some of my property... I shouldn't have used the term "thieving bastards", because after all, it could have been a cultural thing and I was oppressing them with my "values."

In the interest of balance, the industrial unit was on the outskirts of Dublin...

Which leads us to the original thread and obnoxious members. As I see it, I enjoy being obnoxious from time to time, if only to knock sanctimonious people off their perch. It's called getting a reaction, another cultural aspect of being human... You see, in debate, you can slowly bend to the opinion of others and have your perspective altered, and that's a good thing. On forums such as this, I note that we live up to the comments expected of us, hence you don't need to do anything to obnoxious members, as this is not really a debating forum. it is a showpiece for the more focussed aspects of our opinions, and that will always invite ridicule, because we are a broad church as it were..

As an example; Anything sung in a folk club is a folk song.

Wait...


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: gnu
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 04:26 PM

BWL... well done!


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 03:28 PM

I like the color coding idea. When someone says "shit" the font immediately turns brown, if they say "piss" it turns yellow, if they say "jizz" it turns white.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 02:27 PM

Don't worry Al - you're a bright spot in a rather squalid thread
I suppose you're right Dave, much better to talk about shit rather than throw it.
Not really offended, but I thought the somewhat priggish ensemble here might be.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 02:17 PM

I guess the same thing ya do with a drunken sailor earli in the mornin
:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 01:26 PM

I see my suggestion for colour coded posts has not gone down well. Would I purposely offend my old friend, Jim? Of course not.

Sorry about my lavatorial excesses - however I am well struck in years and when you've spent your life being a mucky old sod.....alas there is no bottle of domestos which will restore the inner Whittle to pristine whiteness.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 01:17 PM

Good one, DtG.


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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 01:15 PM

Addressing one of Jim's comments. Lavatorial humour is part of life. It is certainly part of folk music - Childrens song in particular. I expect that you will have found this in your research though, Jim, so it does surprise me that you think people may be offended by it.

Cheers

DtG


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