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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Aug 04 - 08:40 PM Thanks for clarifying that, Cluin - and that was a good example of why it's not a good idea to snap back too strong when you think someone's aimed something at you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Aug 04 - 09:03 PM As usual, McGrath chooses to deflect the conversation by focusing on the identity of the poster, rather than the content of the post. Not so, nameless friend. The point in question wasn't one of identity as such - I don't know anything about the identity of more than a handful of people here - it was about the intention of the post which launched this thread, and the subsequent posts by the same person. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Date: 22 Aug 04 - 11:42 PM Fred, you know what? Referring to a poster expressing their opinion on posters disrupting and derailing threads isn't the equivalent of (your words) "futile desire to control a coalescence of social tone and manners by dictating what he or she prefers". That is just plain bogus. And adding insults about the person's opinion being "absurd, unrealistic, autistic fantasies" because you disagree with the strong opinion being expressed, isn't much of a contribution or a furthering of understanding. As if that was your intention. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:00 AM Like Jeryy Rasmussen and others I've avoided this thread until now. What Happened to the fun threads? lets not forget why we came here [we share a love of folk and traditional music and song] why so much moaning? Shambles-And as for you!, why don't you just give it a rest? you are a constant whinge, whinge, whinge! you quoute Joe [who does a lot of work here for free, you are constantly on his case [because he moved/closed/deleted one of your threads? talk about bearing a grudge eh! LEAve the bloke alone, eventually he might say "fuck this, it ain't worth the hassle" he could quite easily sit and watch television, or go to the pub, or loads of other stuff like that. Max owns the site, but he is busy trying to earn a living, raise a family, pay the bills etc. Joe is retired, and chooses to spend some of his time here helping out, waht thanks does he get? you fucking moan all the time! so waht if he delted/closed your thread, its just a website! get a life! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peace Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:19 AM GUEST: I have a question for you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Date: 23 Aug 04 - 02:23 AM Subject: RE: Can we (meaning you) rename a thread? From: The Shambles Date: 14-Aug-04 - 02:30 AM Wesley S came up with the following [posted in the latest 'hug and prayer complaint thread]- it says more in a few lines than I can ever manage, in my long-winded way. Grant our members and guests the serenity to accept the things they cannot change - the courage to change the things they can - and the wisdom to realise that this is a forum open to the public and that they have no control over the posts and ideas of others As it was not a suggestion of mine, is there any chance of you putting this wonderful common sense into the FAQ and in the headings of the various forums? [crediting Wesley S of course] The starting point is setting the example that accepts that none of us here really have any control over the posts and ideas of others - only ourselves. That is something I would have thought that the Joe Offer I first came across and greatly respected in the forum, accepted and set the best example in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Aug 04 - 02:40 AM shambles=really, really big writing =SHUT UP! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Peace Date: 23 Aug 04 - 03:07 AM Grant our members and guests the serenity to accept the things they cannot change - the courage to change the things they can - and the wisdom to hide the bodies where they can't be found. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 23 Aug 04 - 03:13 AM I thought Smurfs were little blue cartoon people from one of the Scandanavian countries... There was even a Smurf Song that made it into the Hot Parade - anyone remember it? Robin (Now its a music thread!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 23 Aug 04 - 03:16 AM I see Mr Shambles doesn't answer me! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John MacKenzie Date: 23 Aug 04 - 05:23 AM j0hn,while I enjoy most of your posts, and suspect there is an intelligent person lurking under a lot of your off beat posts, you are becoming part of the problem, and not the solution. Personal attacks, comments, and dredging up postings from 1999 solve nothing, and are mean spirited. The title of this thread is "What to do about obnoxious MC members", it is an invitation to contribute ideas to help stop the nastiness, not to illustrate the problem. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Beast of Farlington Date: 23 Aug 04 - 08:25 AM Time to start a thread about long, boring, sanctimonious threads rather than humorous ones, I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Aug 04 - 09:22 AM Grant our members and guests the serenity to accept the things they cannot change - the courage to change the things they can - and the wisdom to realise that this is a forum open to the public and that they have no control over the posts and ideas of others Quite right, Shanbles. But it applies to you as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Date: 23 Aug 04 - 11:12 AM Yes Kevin......And am I glad you agree. I feel that there are many like me who do actually like our forum - as it is, warts and all and are happy for it to reflect all of the contributions that Max has invited. Sadly those that do not accept this have and are still constantly trying to change it by these complaints. And sadder still, those complaints, usually to judge the worth of what and how other people post, (and which is no none else's business) have been encouraged. For example, rather than accepting that Max has invited people to post what they like and to use their own name or no name at all - Some posters continue to judge others and insist that guests use a consistent name, even when it is perfectly clear that Max has no intention of imposing this change...... Folk do have a right to express a view, folk also have a right to agree or to disagee with that view and also to ingore anything they wish or which is not to their taste...Perhaps we can finally accept this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bill D Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:00 PM I'm not sure you quite realize, Shambles, that the logical extension of your position is that 'freedom to post what they like' INCLUDES the freedom to note objectionable behavior. McGrath & I ...and others...have long said, and by your logic, have the right to say, that we do not appreciate anonymous trolling. All those folks would have to do is pick a name and those complaints would drop to zero. (oh, sure,arguments with them would continue, but about issues). Max has also said that the volunteers can and will continue to do some forms of editing of posts that you often object to. You seem to wish to pick & choose which of Max's edicts you will follow. (sometimes I wonder if this whole thing is providing someone data for a PhD in Sociology... "Interactive Personal Dynamics in Semi-Moderated Forums") |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:24 PM Bill you and anyone else has every right to express your opinion. When complaints are made and encouraged to made about what and how others posters contribute in the hope that editing action is imposed -or these posters are forced to post in the manner you require of them, that is another thing. Is it setting a very positive example? Making ground for this, has been encouraged for a long time but will never ever satisfy those encouraged. Perhaps it is time for some of the the more tolerant among us who generally like our forum as it is, to be listened to for once? Perhaps those who do not accept the reality of what our forum is, can just be encouraged to stop complaining about other posters or to go somewhere else? The routine imposition of editing action is a big thing for the individual concerned. I trust you agree with that? Encouraging posters to request that editing action be imposed in secret upon others by unknown volunteers is not in any spirit of The Mudcat that I understand. This example just encourages more people to feel that the routine imposition of this is acceptable and the only answer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:35 PM But you must admit you do rather go on about it. Past the point when it ceases to be helpful to anybody, in my view, and I am pretty sure. A bit more "serenity to accept the things they cannot change" might be appropriate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 23 Aug 04 - 12:37 PM Shambles: We seem to be talking apples and orangutans. I think everyone in here agrees that there should be room for disagreements, and even heated arguments. I agree with that. If you go back to the title of this thread, it is NOT What to do about Mudcatters who disagree with us? That is not the issue, and this thread goes on endlessly not discussing the issue. The issue is people who come in to a thread, not to post their agreement, but to immediately attack other posters with obscenities and personal insults. I have not seen you do that, so you are not one of the people I am talking about. Rather than continuously discussing freedom of speech and the right to disagree (which everyone agrees upon,) how about commenting on whether or not you are comfortable with people who come onto a thread and start attacking other Catters with a string of obscenities. Respectfully, Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John Routledge Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:01 PM It may also be helpful to look at "Interactive Personal Dynamics in Semi-Moderated Forums" Perhaps Bill would like to start a thread. I am not brave enough :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:03 PM It is hard to make a collective decision regarding your 'obnoxious' members, because there is not a collective opinion. Take your lovely MG as an example, those who have encountered him seem to fall into three distinctive camps : 1. Insult him right back. 2. Ignore him. 3. Humour him so as not to be his next target. What kind of action would need to be taken re this member, in order to please all above camps? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Treehouse Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:20 PM Good question Guest 1:03. I can only speak for myself, of course. My strategy regarding the MGs of Mudcat has been pretty consistent, though not 100%. I nearly always choose option 2. My results have been very good with that option. #1 demeans me, so I'd rather not. And #2 means it is irrelevant if I am his target, because I care not one iota what the MGs of the world have to say about me. Why would I? They are jerks. It isn't a terribly complex forumula. It makes for a much better online experience everywhere I've ever posted except in this forum. Not only does everyone revel in this Tourette syndrome sort of behavior, ie completely out of the blue interrupting threads and hurling abuse at those carrying on a conversation, but there are membership bonus points when the interruptions are done in a thread started by non-members, and a regular lemming effect when members direct their animosity towards named or unnamed guests. This thread illustrates my point quite well, actually. Even though I am posting politely with the 'From' line filled in, as all members insist must be done to be polite and not be viewed as a troll, I have been consistently accused of posting anonymously in this thread. I am not anonymous, I am Treehouse. But because that name has never been used at Mudcat before (I checked before using it), it still makes me "the outsider". Outsiders are easy pickings around this place. But now, many members are beginning to feel the pain. Because if the entire forum supports members getting their jollies by abusing guests (regardless of whether or not the 'From' line is filled in consistently with the same word/name), it is a quick slippery slope to abusing one another. Which is what has happened here. You see, these sorts of double standards for behavior never work the way people say they do. People here have been saying for years that guests bloody well deserve to be abused because they aren't members. Now, it looks as if the new Mudcat majority is deciding that if it is acceptable to abuse guests, why not members they dislike too? So then, you gets what you gets. Which is what ya got here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Larry K Date: 23 Aug 04 - 02:14 PM I tend to agree with Little Hawk and Amos. I would hate to censor anything on this forum- it gives too much power to the person who makes that choice. There are always 100 different threads to look at. If you don't like one or think it is silly- don't open it. If enough people don't open it, the thread will go away. I only have time to look at 5-6 threads a day. Sometimes music, sometimes non music. It just depends what cathes my eye that day. But my eye is different than your eye. I wouldn't expect others to have my exact interests. Therefore, I like having all the choices. Even if some are "SHITE". I also don't expect anyone to have my same lack of taste in humor. A person in my office said she completely understood my sense of humor and I suggested counceling. To me, the forum is kind of like a song swap. The less rules the better. If someone wants to sing "Kumbaya" let them. Otherwise, somebody will be telling the rest of us what we must sing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 23 Aug 04 - 03:33 PM But Guest, as I explained, these are not examples of my hurling insults, these are my NICE ones. I posted these instead. From my point of view, you and Treehouse ARE the Mudcat majority in that you and your ilk don't think my posts are as funny as I think they are. Pointing to some Mudcat Majority apart from yourselves is therefore bogus, and does not lead to any further understanding of what I want you to understand. I have only one anonymous guest in my camp, that's all. And even I am beginning to suspect it's me, posting how much I like my own posts. Please allow me to imagine that I've thought about this before, and to feel on the whole that any remedy would be worse than the problem. Please? Can you please let me have my opinion, then patiently teach me how to better express it in the manner you want to hear? I'm trying, honest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Aug 04 - 05:42 PM "We seem to be talking apples and orangutans" - lovely coinage Jerry. One for the Mudcat Quotations thread, which exists around here somewhere. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Aug 04 - 08:12 PM And I've stuck it in there now - Mudcat Gallery of Quotations |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 23 Aug 04 - 08:35 PM Treehouse, please consider. This thread begins with insults, unnecesary rude remarks, calling some threads that nobody is asking you to participate in or read at all "boring." And calling people Brits. Nicer people than I are willing to hold your hand through confronting something obvious. You are to some people what some other people seem to you. You are, in places, insulting, tedious, mechanical, haughty, and moronic. Guest, I too can review and red-mark like a school-teacher. Who can't? Guest doesn't play well with others. I'm being polite enough for the tone that was established, in point of fact. I'm not using naughty words either. The thing to do here is to do what you do better, and draw people in by their recognition of the value, interest, and fun of what you are doing or saying. Or is positive appreciation, as in taking the time to "get" people, and modest self-regard (in my case, sadly, mock-modest, because of my freaking awesomeness) not useful toward understanding? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bill D Date: 23 Aug 04 - 08:53 PM "...it still makes me "the outsider". Outsiders are easy pickings around this place." *tsk*..we have many regulars who post with a consistent name as 'guest' for one reason or other and have NO problems being respected and enjoyed. I have NO problems with 'treewind' not being a 'member'....if I ever have a disagreement with Treewind, it will be on the basis of what he/she says.... The problem of people posting long, involved arguments and promoting political agendas while refusing to use any name is an entirely different issue. It is a rude, tedious way of behaving, and to then accuse those who call attention to it of the rude behavior is the height of arrogance. Try it the polite way..pick a name, stick to it, and you will get all the thoughtful 'discussion' you want from almost everyone! You don't have to set a cookie and leave yourself open to PMs...just give us the respect of allowing us to reply without complicated references to time and quotations! as I have said for YEARS, being obnoxious is not confined to "guests", but when a member is obnoxious, there are ways to deal with it...and IF they go over certain lines, as a couple have done, (You will notice how generous the 'line' is by how much MG gets away with),Management has options. Non-members can ignore civility with impunity unless entire IP addresses are blocked. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Date: 23 Aug 04 - 09:01 PM But but but Bill D, now that you have made your point again, the next time you stumble across a thread that confuses you, just move on. Please don't interrupt it with the same old blarney as you have just trotted out. It spoils it for those of who have kept a grasp on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bill D Date: 23 Aug 04 - 09:54 PM confused? No, *grin* just consistent. as long as you stand in the shadows and refer to a request for fairness as 'blarney', you take your chances, I'm afraid. If you choose to keep your position that you can be above common courtesy, I may choose to keep commenting when I notice...ok? You can always ignore ME and continue your shadow posting...all I can hope for is that others might see the point and cease replying to those who refuse to have ANY identity. and I think "..those of who have kept a grasp on it." need to get a better hold, on both politeness AND editing... |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST Date: 23 Aug 04 - 10:08 PM OKEY DOKEY Billy boy, we'll make sure the words "CONSISTENT ON THE ANONYMOUS GUEST THING AT THE MUDCAT FORUM" makes it on to your grave stone, along side YOUR NAME IN LIGHTS so EVERYONE will know what your identity in this life was. It's going to be SO important in the big scheme of things, after all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bill D Date: 23 Aug 04 - 10:10 PM ain't gonna HAVE a gravestone....you'll hafta put up a commerative plaque. Your choice on the lights... |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous Date: 23 Aug 04 - 11:11 PM Guest, Treehouse I really think that you are the real problem here. Pompous. Snobby. Bitchy. Update. controlling. Unhappy in life. Isn't it obvious to all that you are incapable of orgasm? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 23 Aug 04 - 11:16 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Once Famous Date: 23 Aug 04 - 11:29 PM The Captain's daughter is a hermophodite |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Skipjack K8 Date: 24 Aug 04 - 01:16 AM Damn, I've just wasted an entire weekend on the boat when I should have been here reading 186 posts that I don't now have time to read. Can anyone who is keeping the score do a quick precis on what has thus far been achieved? Double damn, that's the minute I was prepared to devote to this investment in the future all used up............. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Date: 24 Aug 04 - 02:25 AM Rather than continuously discussing freedom of speech and the right to disagree (which everyone agrees upon,) how about commenting on whether or not you are comfortable with people who come onto a thread and start attacking other Catters with a string of obscenities. I have gotten rather used to being personlly attacked by guests, named guests, fellow members and volunteers. I am not comfortable with it no, it is not very pleasant but folk are only following or reacting to, the (poor) example shown. It is probably a matter of opinion as to who is considered obnoxious. The people you seem to be worried about and making a awful fuss about - are the very least of our problems and are very easily dealt with. But the trusted and true method of doing this does not generally find favour here as ignoring obvious attempts to only cause trouble, is not thought to be as much fun as insulting right back. Stop feeding the oran-utangs with oranges and they will go away. Sadly that still leaves us with the routine reactive imposed editing which is the only (fun) method of dealing with this problem, which has never worked and then will be focused entirely on the contributions of others, which may not conform. As for me going on. As this thread seems to be based on the false premise that this is now an un-moderated forum, so perhaps certain individuals do well understand what I am trying to demonstrate and are fed up with keep seeing it - however, there are obviously many others who do not. The question that I am asking is what are those that are aware, going to actually do about it (other than just critise me and try to stay sitting on the fence), some hoping perhaps to get an edit button of their very own? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Date: 24 Aug 04 - 02:27 AM Or apples.............. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 24 Aug 04 - 05:46 AM Its not an unmoderated forum, its a moderately moderated forum and has been for a long time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 24 Aug 04 - 09:36 AM This is the very model of a moderated forum, Occasionally troubled by a sad lack of decorum, When GUESTS without a name and occasionally some resident Lets slip some vulgar comment that insults the Yankee President, Or uses words unseemly from some insolent vocubalary That would once have earned a visit from a stern constablulary. But there's no need to worry, Uncle Joe will sort the matter out And purge the Mudcat of the stuff that really is much better out, Though some there are who view this trend with irritated attitude And even criticise at times, with evident ingratitude, Evoking angry cries from those who hasten to assure 'em "This is the very model of a moderated forum". |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Date: 24 Aug 04 - 09:47 AM Perhaps a look at some of the threads on the Mudcat Help Forum will enable folk to make up their own minds? You may even find a request there that your 'song' be removed from the BS forum....... http://help.mudcat.org/threads.cfm Perhaps you are right - a move to a song challenge in this thread may be a good idea? I will start...To the tune of Who Wants To Be A Volunteer? Who wants to be a volunteer - I do....... |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: The Shambles Date: 24 Aug 04 - 09:49 AM Wasn't there another more famous 'Uncle Joe'? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Dave Bryant Date: 24 Aug 04 - 10:05 AM If any attractive ladies wish to stop me from being obnoxious, they could always seduce me. That would keep me off the net for at least 5 minutes ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Aug 04 - 10:39 AM This is the very model of a moderated forum, Very nice, Kevin! SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Bill D Date: 24 Aug 04 - 11:17 AM "Do you wanta go to Mudcat, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe-? Do you wanta post on Mudcat, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe? Do you wanta chat on Mudcat, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe?" "I don't mind the chatter, if the guests don't blow" "Will you promise to be civil, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe? Will your posts be light and cheery, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe? Will your drivel be deleted, Uncle Joe, Uncle Joe?" "I don't mind the chatter, if the guests don't blow" (fiddle break) pass the creative torch to next in circle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: John MacKenzie Date: 24 Aug 04 - 12:10 PM Mudcatters, Mad as hatters Argueing incessantly on silly little matters Mudcatters Daft as batters Trumping on like Catspaw, his pants must be in tatters Madcatters Christians, Hindus, Latters Yapping on like terriers, those enthusiastic ratters Mudcatters Taller thinner fatters Fingers on thier keyboards, going pitter pitter patters. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Date: 24 Aug 04 - 12:20 PM There's a very simple remedy to even the most obnoxious members. Turn off the computer and do something real instead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Amos Date: 24 Aug 04 - 12:25 PM Psychiatrist: Zo!! Vot did you DO ven you realized you had multiple personality disorder? Patient: I started a chat room. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Don Firth Date: 24 Aug 04 - 12:46 PM I think people with multiple personalities should share them with those who don't have any. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: Little Hawk Date: 24 Aug 04 - 01:01 PM Such as? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What to do about obnoxious MC members? From: GUEST,William Shatner Date: 24 Aug 04 - 01:02 PM You people amaze me. Do like my book says and "Get A Life!" |