BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?

Subject: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 04:20 PM

A better question might have been, who's going to escape NYC and all the Republican Convention hubbub.

Some are going there to protest GWB. Some are going there to nominate their favorite Republican candidate for President. Some are going there because they are nostalgic for a good bagel or, to be frank, a Nathan's hotdog.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 04:26 PM

I'm fleeing the country and spending the weekend in Toronto

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Nerd
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 04:27 PM

I was born and raised there, and my parents still live there, but I'm staying away this weekend!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 04:38 PM

Since 9/11, I have not set foot in the 5 boroughs of NYC and for all I care, I can live the rest of my life without ever going there again. I have many relatives that still live in Brooklyn and they understand that if they want to see me they have to come here to Rockland County. Under no circumstances will I ever go there again. I do go to Nassau and Suffolk Counties in Long Island by way of either the Bridgeport- Port Jefferson or New London-Orient Point ferries. Call it a phobia if you want. I call it being prudent and cautious. I do not fly on airplanes either and have never done so in my life. I just do not think they are safe. The events of 9/11 have only served to strengthen my beliefs in this regard. SOL ZELLER

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 09:16 PM

Understand some protest folks have gotten police permission to hang out at Union Square. Shouldn't take too many thousand people to fill that space.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 09:18 PM

I note that the ad banner at the bottom was offering a hotdog cart for only $1500!

CN

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 11:11 PM

I expect to be housing a few refugees from the Big Apple until the convention is over. All they need there now is a good sized hurricane.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:36 AM

Now the Ads by Google read "We sell Sabrett Hot Dogs. We rent hot dog carts, popcorn carts." I can't believe I'm reading these things. Yesterday they were referencing Pete Seeger.

I wonder what the going price is for some GWB weiners?

My cousin and his daughter are off to the Big Apple to demonstrate.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Nerd
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:08 AM

Charley,

I think the ads by Google are sensitive to what's in the page. So your mention of hot dogs made the hot dog ads pop up, and your mention of Seeger made Pete come back.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:12 AM

Well, Republicans and demonstrators have to eat. A good tube steak and a drink make a quick meal. [The ads are back to hot dogs.]

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 02:44 AM

Protesters ahve alreayd started...bless their hearts and efforts:

The stage was set on Thursday when activists protesting the Bush administration's AIDS policy stood naked in the street in front of Madison Square Garden. On Friday night, about 5,000 cyclists roamed central Manhattan, some chanting "No More Bush," bringing traffic to a virtual standstill.

On Saturday, nearly 20,000 women marched across the Brooklyn Bridge to support a woman's constitutional right to have an abortion. The Republican Party platform supports a constitutional amendment banning abortions.

Then 2,000 people circled the site of the World Trade Center destroyed in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and solemnly rang bells to protest the Bush administration's military and diplomatic responses to the attacks on America by Islamic militants.

"We felt September 11 was being appropriated by (Republican) spin doctors and they were turning it into a grotesque endorsement of world domination and domestic repression," said demonstration organizer Christian Herold.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Peg
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 12:20 PM

I really wanted to actually--I have friends in Queens. But with this bum leg it would not have been wise. Let's hope no one gets hurt.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 01:09 PM

Pardon me if I drift the thread a little: One thing puzzles me - all the papers here, when they write about this demo and the Republican Convention, keep going on about how solidly Democrat New York is - so how come New York always seems to elect Republican mayors?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 02:21 PM

Just seen footage of the march on UK TV. Well done to all who took part.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: jimmyt
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 07:07 PM

in the last 45 years, McGrath, NYC has had 15 mayors, of which only 3 have been Republican. Laguardia, Guilliani, and the present mayor. That is according to what I could find on google, not that I am all that bright with NYC politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: jimmyt
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 07:09 PM

sorry. I meant to say 59 years, since 1945

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 08:02 PM

And each one of the mayors you speak of ran as either an Independent and/or both Republican/ Independent/ Liberal(party).

Should you come to the city---I believe it may well be a good thing. Just don't try to drive---use public transport. The theaters and the museums will be quite empty--I feel-since many residents have left to avoid the hassle of the RNC and all its turmoil.

Theatres should be easily accessed since the RNC has made sure that only the blandest and most boring of shows are offered to the delegates to the better ones are yours for the taking at discount prices on TKTS on 45 st. Shows like---Ave. Q/ Golda/ and anything that might seem "way out" to the RNC folks.   They opt for the tourist stuff--bland---Lion King, Phantom, Aida, and such.

Best material is off Bway---check the web

I, who live in close proximity, will be going to a few Off Bway productions as I usually do. I will also avoid the Disneyfied horror that is now 42st St (not the musical---the street)---glorified shopping mall with the same population that always frequented it in the past with the addition of tourists thinking that this is NYC. It is not. Thankfully.

But---I sound like a tour guide---some of the most wonderful things are not in Manhattan. Try the Bronx and the worlds greatest Zoo; try Bklyn and a world class Aquarium, and, of course, in Manhattan the world class museums.

Bill Hahn

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Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 08:46 PM

I forgot to mention the late Mayor Lindsay. Who,I still feel, was the most idealistic and charismatic of all---one who prevented the riots and burnings that occured in other cities. At his personal peril.   Much maligned but much loved and appreciated by people such as your never humble writer.

Bill H

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 04 - 11:35 PM

Wish I could be there to participate in the demonstrations but got way too much on my plate...

Anyone going? Give 'um heck fir me...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: mg
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 02:02 AM

Why in the world would they want to have it in New York? A known terrorist target, a series of new threats, a city that is vulnerable by air, by sea, by underground..a tangle of rivers and bridges and inadequate roads...too hard to make secure...it seems there should be some city in mid-America that would have some convention center on its outskirts.....and would be actually helped by having it there rather than totally hasseled, if I am imagining it correctly..but then I am not a New Yorker...mg

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 02:19 AM

(Intersting to read all of the posts sans I.D. I suppose it is just a glitch in the new hardware.:-)

Anyway, we watched all 4.5 hours of CSPAN coverage of the protest marchers. On this day, for the first time in quite awhile, I could say I was proud to be an American. It was wonderful to see so many not buying into the Reign of Fear the shrub et alia have been cramming down our throats. Thanks to all who participated.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: JennyO
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 06:46 AM

mg are you Mary Garvey or Martin Gibson?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 09:38 AM

Here's one brief description of the protest march from a former Peace Corps volunteer:

"I'm here to report that yesterday's march was a spectacular experience. I've been on a lot of demonstrations in my life, but this was by far the most moving and uplifting experience. Everyone was jolly and peaceful even though it was sweltering. I drank two quarts of water and never peed all day!! We could not move, it was so crowded. It took us well over three hours to get from 14th Street to 34th Street on the west side--sometimes 20 minutes to move one block, we were that packed in--front, back, and on both sides. We didn't get to Union Square until after 5PM, where we all went to a pub and drank beer (still not peeing). Then up to Central Park at dusk where there were still people picnicking, drumming, and basically feeling proud of what we pulled off--peacefully. I am so glad I went. I do believe it was an energizing experience for everyone who participated. And we need to be energized for the ordeal ahead."

Newspapers describe anywhere from 100,000 to 400,000 marchers. Sounds like a great turnout to me.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 01:44 PM

are you Mary Garvey or Martin Gibson?

Not hard to tell that, even without the names.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 01:58 PM

The better questions is:   With 4 of 5 people in NYC being democrats why are both the current mayor and current governor both republicans, and why is the democratic former mayor ED Koch supporting Bush and speaking at the republican convention?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 02:38 PM

"Why in the world would they want to have it in New York?"

well, because they wish to exploit all associations with GWB and 9/11 to play him up as our fearless leader. they even moved the date to get it closer to 9/11 of this year. duh!!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: mg
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 03:29 PM

I'm the really cute one..mg

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 08:10 PM

Larry K,
         Ed Koch is supporting Bush strictly because of Bush's strong support for Israel. He has clearly stated that he (Koch) is opposed to Bush's domestic policy and agenda. SOL ZELLER

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 08:13 PM

Some of the signs I saw included "Bush hijacked our grief and took it to Iraq."

I also liked "Yee-ha is not a foreign policy!"

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 03:21 AM

An ideal time for a "Star Trek" marathon, but no such luck. I prefer Spok's logic to the much less credible stuff on offer this week---

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: InOBU
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 08:51 AM

They had the convention in New York, to come and hear Lorcan Otway and buy my CDs
Cheers
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 10:00 AM

My brother and his wife report that they joined the coffin-carrying brigade. It was hot and muggy, but somewhat cooler under the coffins.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 09:03 AM

On Sunday, August 29, Pete Seeger was among 45 protesters who engaged in a very creative act of civil disobedience, for which they were not arrested. The New York Harbor Police and the U.S. Coast Guard severely curtailed maritime traffic around New York City beginning that day. Only dinner cruises for GOP delegates and some other very select vessels were permitted to approach the NYC shore. Otherwise the waters were off limits until after the RNC.

What Pete and the others did was go to Weehauken, New Jersey, and charter the Richard Robbins, an 1870 schooner, supposedly for a southbound sail towards Sandy Hook. Instead they raised banners with slogans like "Peace" and "Bush Lied" and "No Blood for Oil" and started sailing east towards Manhattan Island. They were quickly surrounded by the Harbor Police and the Coast Guard who blocked their planned route. However, they were not boarded, and no arrests were made.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 09:18 AM

Rabbi Sol-   it was a rhetorical question.   I have heard Koch and Zell Miller on numerous talk shows explaining their positions. For Koch it is Isreal and terrorism.   My wife is having a very hard time with this.    She is a life long democrat who has never voted republican in her life.   Koch carries a lot of weight, but to her the bottom line is the people of Israel.    They support Bush something like 55% to 17%- an overwhelming landslide.   To my wife, they are the people who really count as they are in the middle of it and should know what is best for them.    Therefore, she is really strugling with her decision.

The interesting one to me was Ron Silver.    I wasn't expecting an endorsement from him.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: InOBU
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 09:35 AM

Well so much about the war for democracy eh? I've had to take it abit easy these days, came back from Canada with a high fever and bad headache about being swarmed by mosquettos, but I did go to regale the crowd at Union Square with song, so with me wee amp, I started singing a few of the songs about the times, when a high up brass of the NYPD asked, very politily, I must add, how long I would be, that this was my first warning, so I could do a few songs then turn off the amp or be arrested. Well, that was good on one hand, on the other, political speech is the most protected in our tradition in the US, so the fact that they intended to arrest a folk singer in Union Square, (our version of Trafalgar square in London [it is trafalgar square where the soapbox tradition is, am I right?])flys in the face of our rights in the US... weellll anyway there you are, I don't know if I am well enough to go out do continue to find some spots to sing truth to power... I will let you all know.
Cheers
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 12:44 PM

The Central Labor Council demonstration will be at 4 PM to 7 PM, 8th Ave and 30th Street. Be there or be square.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: DougR
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 02:06 PM

kat: I think you may have got your quotes mixed up. "Ye-Haw" belongs to that paragon of liberalism, Howard Dean.

I think it's good for the protesters to march. They probably need the exercise.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 02:20 PM

Larry K.
         Who is Ron Silver ? I never heard of him. You don't by any chance mean Sheldon Silver, Speaker of the New York State Assembly, do You ?

SOL ZELLER

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: GUEST,milk monitor
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 05:23 PM

InOBU it is Speakers Corner in Hyde Park that I think you are referring to? And you would be welcome there anytime.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 05:38 PM

Ron Silver is an actor of some renown---mostly for acting and not politics I should think.

As to the comments re: Israel supporing Bush by a landslide says more about people liking someone who has stopped---or never understood--even handed diplomacy and agreeing with their side of the issues. It won't bring peace just as the mistaken excursion into Iraq has merely created more world wide terrorism---and profits for our patriotic contractors.

W's hip must be sore by now from all the shooting from it these past few years.

As an aside---Schwartzenager visited a Harlem school today---photo-op and co-opted JFK's famous phrase---Ask Not What Your Country Can Do....etc;   Brilliant---his contribution to great oratory---"girly-man" Brilliant orator.


Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 08:09 PM

Just got back from the labor demonstration at Madison Square Garden. We were all peaceful. It will be interesting to see what they show on the news.

The only incident I observed in my immediate [penned in] block was when the police came to our side of the barricade and surrounded some poor zhlub, then went through his stuff and removed him from the demonstration. He was issued a citation of some sort and made to leave the area. An observer from the Lawyers Committee was taking notes and witnessing, as she should have been. Several of us were also surrounding the "incident," looking on disapprovingly and noting what was going on.

It was difficult to get into the demonstration area but I was finally able to get in by getting a break from a police lieutenant. I had no problem hooking up with the other UUPers [my union] between 28th and 29th Streets even though some of our people had left that area earlier [almost immediately after the demo got started].

Came up with a call to respond to the rep's "four more years." Try "NO MORE YEARS" for size. I got some of the people in my immediate area doing it and it may spread.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: InOBU
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 09:52 PM

Thanks Milk Monitor.. One day, I will take you up on the invite. Cheers Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Suffet
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 08:40 AM

Greetings:

I went to the Central Labor Council AFL-CIO rally yesterday, and unable to find a contingent from American Federation of Musicians Local 1000, I asked the people from AFM Local 802 if I could join them, as we all belong to the same national union. Of course they said "Welcome, brother."

For those who have no idea of the distinction, Local 802 has been the New York area musicians' union for a long time. Local 1000 is a recently established union for "traveling" musicians. That is defined as a musician who works fewer than half of his/her gigs within the jurisdiction of any one AFM local.

Anyway, I had an interesting discussion with a Local 802 members who argued that Local 1000 will never be taken seriously as long as its base is among folk, acoustic, and singer-songwriter musicians. What Local 1000 needs to do, he suggested, is get some high profile pop, rock, alternative, and hip-hop musicians to join. Right away that would bring some money into the Local 1000 welfare and pension funds. But more importantly, it would send a signal to the second, third, and fourth level musicians in those genres that joining the union is both useful and cool. And those musicians, without the big bucks of the super stars, are the ones who could really benefit from union membership. At the same time, it would give the union some leverage in bargaining with the big clubs and concert producers.

I agree with his analysis. Any comments?

--- Steve Suffet (Member, AFM Local 1000, AFL-CIO)

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 10:15 AM

Steve's post refers back to the Clearwater Revival thread. The issue for festivals is that the union has a scale which can drive them out of business.

I hate to sound like a "company man," especially at this time but it all comes down to economics. While scale is wonderful for those who are hired, it creates a situation in which fewer people will be hired for bigger bucks and the little guy who normally gets an honorarium gets pushed out.

When there is an endowment, the situation is different. Unfortunately, folkies rarely have that luxury.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 08:28 PM

Last count some 1900 protesters have been taken into custody by the NYPD. Anyone have a clue of what nefarious activities they were engaged in? Anyone missing a good friend?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 08:45 PM

I was able to find this bit, Charley...doesn't really explain why they were all taken. The emphasis is mine of what I consider the most chilling part:

Of the total arrests, nearly 1,200 happened on Tuesday, which demonstrators had dubbed a "Day of Civil Disobedience." Protests broke out across the city, from Ground Zero to outside the midtown studios of the Fox News Channel.

Police arrested about 20 people Wednesday during several demonstrations, including a rally by the National Organization for Women in Central Park and a labor protest against Bush administration economic policies.

The total number of arrests far exceeds those at the much more violent 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago where fewer than 600 people were arrested.

New York police have been very aggressive in defusing demonstrations, often preventing them from growing large by wrapping scores of protesters in orange netting and taking them away. Protesters say authorities are preventing them from exercising their free speech rights.

Police officials have denied demonstrator accusations that they have mistreated protesters at a Manhattan holding facility, saying that most people arrested leave there in 90 minutes and no one is held longer than eight hours.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Alex.S
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 09:02 PM

I was there for a family wedding, thought I might drop by to join the protest. Unfortunately, by Monday the protests had died down, so I was forced to abort that and opt for plan B-- a pastrami sandwich from Katz's Delicatessen on Houston which is, without question, the best sandwich in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: InOBU
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 09:58 PM

Hi Alex, The protests have not died down, they are just being moved around, and sometimes there are mass arrests, to answer the question above, why are people being arrested. Unfortunatly, I am home sick, thundering headache and fever after being bitten by a swarm of mosquettos in Canada last week... but I was at the Union Square protest on Wends. As I was leaving, after the above incident where folk singing is now a crime (forget that the cops and firemen are protesting around the clock where ever the mayor is with agressive and loud protests - which I support - too bad they don't support us... ) but anyway, as they had no permit to march (they applied and were denied months ago...) so anyway... the cops rounded up hundres with construction mesh, netting, and there was no asking arrestees if they intended to break the law as in the past. Well, here we are, being told our war for control of the world's resources is a war for democracy while rounding up peaceful protesters at home. Hmmmmmm
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 10:44 PM

After all, the Republicans believe in supressing freedom of speech for all but themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 11:27 PM

Larry, I hope you get to feeling better.

Thanks to all who are there and able to participate and/or report on the *doings* for us.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 11:30 PM

Power to the People!!!

Wish I could be there...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 10:18 AM

"Police officials have denied demonstrator accusations that they have mistreated protesters at a Manhattan holding facility, saying that most people arrested leave there in 90 minutes and no one is held longer than eight hours."

That's an interesting statement from the police given that State Supreme Court Justice John Cataldo ordered the immediate release of nearly 500 protesters by 5 pm thursday, just before Bush's acceptance speech, and then fined the City $1000/protester for refusing to comply with his order. This is from an Associated Press story by Sara Kugler, if anyone wants to follow up on the details.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 07:11 PM

C Noble: Your description seems quite accurate.    Another thing of interest--now that conventions are really just staged shows---the camera shows (in its frame of reference) the crowded halls. From my understanding they are mostly empty except for the main speakers. People are always seated for the full house view by the cameras.

Fortunes spent in staging what is in reality a Bway Production. Minus the talent and class.

During the Bush diatribe (I could only take about 10 min. prior to nasea setting in) it was pathetic to see the faces in the crowd---waving little flags and looking utterly robotic.   Whover wrote---Stepford Wives was right---reminded me of the camera shots years ago of the women when the were escorting the Black Children into the Little Rock schools. The camera then caught the pure hatred---here the true robotic persona of these people and their little flags with the pre arranged signs to hold up.

Finally, from another thread---the Bush girls. I heard some of the pathetic presentation on NPR before---surely they were dumbed down to appeal to the---as a writer years ago wrote--"...the great unwashed". I can't believe that they are truly that dumb and offensive. But---given their presentation---I have to say---you want that image, babes, you got it.   Too bad that it might appeal to "...the great unwashed"---just like Hiltons and Britneys.


Like you know,

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 09:04 PM

Bill-

I watched the whole Bush presentation...He's quite good when he's scripted and he's won debates before because of low expections: cases in point Ann Richards in Texas and Al Gore. He should not be underestimated.

Kerry has to go on the attack, and he has to be quick on his feet which he has been in other debates. But Kerry shouldn't make the mistake of expecting Bush to stumble.

We are living in very dangerous times.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: InOBU
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 09:26 PM

Hi Charlie:
"Police officials have denied demonstrator accusations that they have mistreated protesters at a Manhattan holding facility, saying that most people arrested leave there in 90 minutes and no one is held longer than eight hours."
I know that this is a complete lie. My friend John was swept up, from the sidewalk, watching a demo, he was held in the grease and dirt of the pier from Tuesday through Thursday, in conditions which he finaly traded for a hospital bed, as he has a medical condition which was affected by the conditions which were horendous. Damn long eight hours if you ask me.
Cheers
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 06:30 PM

Charley Noble:   Right you are.

Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 09:56 PM

Larry-

And how do you know when the police PR people are lying? Yep, their lips move.

I'm not saying that some demonstrators probably merited being collared but I'm wondering how many others were "scooped up" in the net so to speak who were just peacefully expressing their rights. And I don't think they needed a permit to do that. It's called freedom of assembly and if you don't exercise it, you lose it.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Going to NYC this Weekend?
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Sep 04 - 08:35 AM

Right you are again Charley... I know of at least one person coming out of a store, into the orange nets, who showed the cops her recipts to show she was an "innocent" shopper rather than a peaceful protester, and she spent from Tuesday to Thursday with my pal John in jail.... or the cages, I am going to ask John if I can post his note to me, after he was released, by the way, he is a Quaker and as truthful a bloke as I know. I posted a new wee songeen about it... see the post "Lyr Add: Song for the Republican week in New York " with the aid of the late lost and loved Phill Ochs.
Cheers
Larry