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Georgiansilver 26 Aug 04 - 04:58 PM
GUEST 26 Aug 04 - 04:59 PM
GUEST 26 Aug 04 - 05:02 PM
Bill D 26 Aug 04 - 05:04 PM
Wolfgang 26 Aug 04 - 05:10 PM
Bill D 26 Aug 04 - 05:18 PM
Once Famous 26 Aug 04 - 05:31 PM
GUEST,Diogenes 26 Aug 04 - 05:38 PM
GUEST 26 Aug 04 - 05:42 PM
Bill Hahn//\\ 26 Aug 04 - 05:47 PM
Clinton Hammond 26 Aug 04 - 05:49 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 26 Aug 04 - 05:50 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Aug 04 - 06:04 PM
Bill Hahn//\\ 26 Aug 04 - 06:08 PM
pdq 26 Aug 04 - 06:21 PM
Ebbie 26 Aug 04 - 06:30 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM
Cluin 26 Aug 04 - 06:32 PM
katlaughing 26 Aug 04 - 06:52 PM
Little Hawk 26 Aug 04 - 07:12 PM
pdq 26 Aug 04 - 07:27 PM
khandu 26 Aug 04 - 07:38 PM
mack/misophist 26 Aug 04 - 07:40 PM
GUEST,GROK 26 Aug 04 - 07:42 PM
katlaughing 26 Aug 04 - 08:35 PM
frogprince 26 Aug 04 - 08:40 PM
GUEST,fred miller 26 Aug 04 - 09:10 PM
khandu 26 Aug 04 - 09:25 PM
khandu 26 Aug 04 - 09:29 PM
khandu 26 Aug 04 - 09:34 PM
JennyO 26 Aug 04 - 09:59 PM
CarolC 26 Aug 04 - 10:12 PM
khandu 26 Aug 04 - 10:32 PM
Bobert 26 Aug 04 - 10:50 PM
fat B****rd 27 Aug 04 - 04:35 AM
Davetnova 27 Aug 04 - 05:24 AM
GUEST,el ted (computer illiterate) 27 Aug 04 - 05:34 AM
Davetnova 27 Aug 04 - 05:49 AM
GUEST,el ted 27 Aug 04 - 06:04 AM
John MacKenzie 27 Aug 04 - 06:21 AM
MBSLynne 27 Aug 04 - 06:23 AM
jacqui.c 27 Aug 04 - 07:29 AM
GUEST 27 Aug 04 - 07:54 AM
John MacKenzie 27 Aug 04 - 08:33 AM
MBSLynne 27 Aug 04 - 09:06 AM
GUEST,fred miller 27 Aug 04 - 09:32 AM
beardedbruce 27 Aug 04 - 10:00 AM
Davetnova 27 Aug 04 - 10:36 AM
GUEST 27 Aug 04 - 10:41 AM
Paco Rabanne 27 Aug 04 - 10:47 AM
Scooby Doo 27 Aug 04 - 10:52 AM
Little Hawk 27 Aug 04 - 11:15 AM
Ellenpoly 27 Aug 04 - 11:24 AM
Stilly River Sage 27 Aug 04 - 02:33 PM
GUEST,MMario 27 Aug 04 - 02:39 PM
GUEST,Fred Miller 27 Aug 04 - 02:40 PM
Stilly River Sage 27 Aug 04 - 02:41 PM
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Little Hawk 27 Aug 04 - 06:56 PM
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Roger the Skiffler 28 Aug 04 - 05:41 AM
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Subject: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 04:58 PM

Just to see if it is possible to have a thread which produces only positive postings. Can be about any topic as long as it upholds the positive nature of the thread.
I would personally like to thank in advance, anyone who posts positvely to the thread
Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 04:59 PM

amergin is a god


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:02 PM

Good luck. No point to it, but a positive outlook, eh? Fluff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:04 PM

I'm POSITIVE someone will ruin it.....ooops, too late!


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:10 PM

My doctor told me today all test results were positive.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:18 PM

Two atoms were walking down the street. One turns to the other and says,
"Oh,no! I think I'm an ion!"
The other responds, "Are you sure?!?"
"Yes, I'm positive!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:31 PM

I hate the song Positively 4th Street.

It positively sucks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:38 PM

The book was good, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:42 PM

Mark Thatcher is looking at 15 years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:47 PM

Could be a false positive---eh?   But then, don't 2 negatives make a positive.   Oh, the ramifications of it all.

Bill H


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:49 PM

Two wrongs don't make a right

But three rights make a left...


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 05:50 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 06:04 PM

I'm never sure what "positive" means with a medical test result. I mean, does it mean a result that shows you've got something nasty, or one that tells you you haven't?


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 06:08 PM

Actually--it makes some sort of strange sense---Negative--NO you do not have the disease of condition for which you are tested. Positive--YES---you have the above.    Hence the problem of False Positive.

Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: pdq
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 06:21 PM

In electricity, energy flows from the negative.

Of that I am positive!


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 06:30 PM

:)   :)    :)    :)   :)   :) : )    :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM

True enough Bill - but in most situations "a positive result" means good news. And a "positive post" rather implies one that's not going to make you feel really miserable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 06:32 PM

Tomorrow Is Another Day
(James Keelaghan)

Tomorrow is another day

I hope you gain the things you lack
Fewer bills and better pay
And maybe somewhere down the track
There'll be someone who'll say:
Won't you come on back?

Tomorrow is another day

You see that calendar on the wall,
That little number there
Printed bold, but very small?
There'll be ten thousand more
Before your name is called

Tomorrow is another day

Maybe I've been lied to
Maybe I've been abused
But I get my licks in
I'm not used to being used


Tomorrow is another day

It's a world away from now
It can look out for itself
So don't think about that now
Believe the light of dawn
Will make things right somehow

Tomorrow is another day
Tomorrow is another day
Tomorrow is another day


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 06:52 PM

Great song, Cluin, thanks for posting it!

I have B-positive type blood, so I figured I've been *preordained" to do so most of my life.**bg**


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 07:12 PM

Martin - I just had a word with Bob about that. He says he wrote the song with you in mind! :-) After all these years, at last the truth is revealed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: pdq
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 07:27 PM

ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE

(lyrics by Johnny Mercer, music by Harold Arlen)

You've got to Accentuate The Positive
Eliminate the negative,
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In-between.

You've got to spread joy up to the maximum,
Bring gloom down to a minimum,
Have faith or pandemonium's
li'ble to walk upon the scene.

To illustrate my last remark,
Jonah in the whale.
Noah in the ark.
What did they do
Just when everything looked so dark?
Man, they said,

We better Accentuate The Positive
Eliminate the negative,
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In-between.
No! Don't mess with Mister In-between.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: khandu
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 07:38 PM

FRANKIE

FUNKY BUTT

FIRST SHOT MISSED HIM



FRANKIE

Frankie was a good girl, everybody know,
She paid one hundred dollars for Albert a suit of clothes
He's her man, but he did her wrong

Frankie went down to the corner saloon, she ordered a glass of beer,
She asked the barroom keeper, "Has my lovin' Albert been here?"
"He been here, but he's gone again"

"Ain't gonna tell you no story, Frankie, I ain't gonna tell you no lie"
Says, "Albert passed about a hour ago, with a girl you call Alice Frye
He's your man, and he's doin' you wrong

Frankie went down to the corner saloon, she didn't go to be gone long
She peeked through keyhole in the door, spied Albert in Alice's arm
He's my man, and he's doin' me wrong

Frankie called to Albert, Albert said I don't hear
You'd better come to the woman you love, they gonna haul you outta here
You my man, but you doin' me wrong

Frankie shot Albert, she shot him three or four times,
Says, "Stand back outta smoke of my gun, let me see is my Albert dyin'
He's my man, and he did me wrong"

Frankie and the judge walked outta the stand, they walked out side by side
The judge says to Frankie, you're gonna be justified,
Killin' a man, and he did you wrong"

Dark was the night, cold was on the ground
The last word I heard Frankie say "I done laid old Albert down
He's my man and he done me wrong"

Frankie was a good girl, everybody know,
She paid a hundred dollars for Albert a suit of clothes
He's her man, but he did her wrong



FUNKY BUTT

I thought I heard somebody say
Funky butt, stinky butt, take it away
Cause I don't like it no how

You see that girl with the red dress on
She got funky butt, stinky butt sure as you're born
Cause I don't like it no how

I thought I heard somebody say
Funky butt, stinky butt, take it away
Cause I don't like it no how

I (omitted by MJH) with a boldened shout
Open the window, let the funk go out
Cause I don't like it no how

MJH from "Last Sessions"


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: mack/misophist
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 07:40 PM

My blood's as common as dirt. 0+
Good enough?


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 07:42 PM

Penis explodes during sex

Doctors in Romania are treating a 28-year-old whose penis exploded while he was making love to his girlfriend.

Ilarie Coroiu was taken to hospital in the Transylvanian town of Cluj after his girlfriend, Magdalena, 18, "felt something strange" and noticed that the bed was covered in blood.

Dr Angela Domocos, head of the accident and emergency department at Cluj General Hospital, said: "It is very rare for this to happen. We call it an exploded penis because it happens when the blood cavities in the penis burst.

"I don't know what this couple were playing at, but there must have been tremendous pressure inside the penis to make this happen."

Mr Coroiu is now recovering after an operation to stop the bleeding.


And there you have it, folks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 08:35 PM

There was a great story, on NPR, about this gentleman, the nation's longest serving mayor, who died this past weekend at 95 years old, after serving as mayor of Beaver, PA for 58 yrs! The interviewee, who worked with him, said he'd say "You can think anything you want, but once you say it, it's said." They went on to say he always had a kind word for everyone and was a real gentleman's gentleman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: frogprince
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 08:40 PM

May your hands always be busy;
May your feet always be swift;
May you have a firm foundation,
When the winds of changes shift;
May you build a ladder to the stars,
And climb on ev'ry rung;
And may you be... Forever Young.

Thank you, Mr.Dylan; I've never been able to imagine a better wish for anyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST,fred miller
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 09:10 PM

which one is Positively 4th St? The titles are blurry for me.

There's an old thread about good things, which was positive in practical ways, with food, devices, ideas, things to do. It contained my prose poem, ahem, A Recipe For Tahini And A Guide To Good Sex. But I can't remember the title of that thread, either.


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Subject: RE: BS:positive posts on this thread.
From: khandu
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 09:25 PM

Fred
"You've got a lot of nerve to say you are my friend
When I was down you just stood there grinning"

k


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Subject: Fred's thread?
From: khandu
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 09:29 PM

Fred,

Was the old thread you speak of "Tips on Living Well"?


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Subject: Yep! Fred's thread
From: khandu
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 09:34 PM

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=56606#889432

Hell,Fred! You started this thread!

k


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: JennyO
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 09:59 PM

I'd forgotten that thread, even though I posted to it - well it was a year and half ago. What a pity it's closed. Maybe it could be opened again?

Jenny


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 10:12 PM

Speaking of mayors, Spencer Schlosnagle has an outstanding record as mayor of the tiny western Maryland town of Friendsville. He became mayor in 1986 when he was only 22 years old. I am familiar with the saga of Mr. Schlosnagle through having been a resident of the town of Accident, a few miles down the road from Friendville, and from living in other parts of Garrett County during some of his tenure as mayor of Friendsville.

Spencer became the notorious mayor of Friendsville in the early 1990s when he was arrested for indecently exposing himself to a Maryland State Trooper. This did not effect his position as mayor at all, and he was easily reelected several times, even after three convictions for indecent exposure. He served part of one of his terms as mayor in a correctional facility in Hagerstown, Maryland, about two hours drive from Friendsville, and on the other side of one or two mountain ranges.

Spencer is still serving the town of Friendsville (where one of the local watering-holes is affectionately nicnamed "the Dodge City Dispensary") as it's mayor. Here is the latest news on Mr. Schlosnagle as of Wednesday, August 11, 2004. Way to go Spencer!

MD Mayor Convicted Wednesday, August 11, 2004 The Associated Press


"The mayor of Friendsville was convicted Wednesday of leading state police on a chase in northern Garrett County.

A Garrett County District judge found 40-year-old Spencer Schlosnagle guilty of speeding and fleeing and eluding. The judge ruled that Schlosnagle didn't mean to hit a police cruiser and acquitted him of second-degree assault.

Schlosnagle must pay a 50 dollar speeding ticket. The judge ordered probation before judgment on the fleeing and eluding count but fined him 100 dollars.

Schlosnagle says he was distraught because his mother was dying.

Schlosnagle is serving his tenth term as mayor of the town of 529 people. He has been re-elected repeatedly since first winning the post in 1986 despite convictions for indecent exposure in 1992, 1993 and 994."


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: khandu
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 10:32 PM

"He has been re-elected repeatedly since first winning the post in 1986 despite convictions for indecent exposure in 1992, 1993 and 994."

Well, at least he had nothing to hide; probably had a lot of people pulling for him, He should hold up his head & stand erect!

k


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 10:50 PM

Well, it's said the Lord looks after fools and kids so I guess I got double coverage. Here's the real story...

About two weeks ago a tenor/resonator was put on ebay and I watched it and watched it and on the last night before the bidding came to an end (2:00 am my time) I put in a bid that I thought would certainly be enough to buy it... I guess I should say that I need it. I love playing tenor guitars but the folks I jam with all have resonators and a tenor ain't got a lot of umph to it to begin with...

Anyway, I lost the bid by a couple of bucks!!! Sniff...

...but I eamiled the guy with the winning bid and after a weks worth od wrangling and negotiating I am going to give him my '35 Gibson tenor in exchange for the reso tenor...

Life is good. He's happy and I'm happy and when things happen like this, I know the Big Guy has a smile on His face...

True story.

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: fat B****rd
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 04:35 AM

"May You Never" by Mr. Martyn says it all for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Davetnova
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 05:24 AM

The sun is shining, its friday and my dog is beautiful


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST,el ted (computer illiterate)
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 05:34 AM

The sun is glinting off the burnt out cars in Hull too Davet. Life's alright again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Davetnova
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 05:49 AM

Yes El Ted, I believe I saw you at Glaisdale. I was the tall handsome bloke in the extremely tasteful shirt who turned up near the end.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST,el ted
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 06:04 AM

Small world eh Davet, that would be me indeed! I don't remember ANY tasteful shirts at that singaround!


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 06:21 AM

It's positively blowing a gale outside my window at the moment, with the added bonus of horizontal rain.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: MBSLynne
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 06:23 AM

"Positively 4th Street" is
"Slow down, you move too fast.
You've got to make the morning last....." etc.
I'm feeling very positive because I'm escaping the family and going to Towersey tomorrow for the day to be ME for once, instead of Mummy, Wife etc. I can't wait!!!!!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 07:29 AM

I'm having dinner with a good friend tonight and then going to Newark for my grandson's fourth birthday party on Sunday. that's enought to be going on with.


And I'm 'O' positive as well. Do you think it makes a difference?


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 07:54 AM

sex


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 08:33 AM

Lynn I hope your Towersey visit is a positive experience. I must point out however on the negative side, that you seem to have inadvertantly added 55 to 4, thus achieving a 'Feeling Groovy' answer to Fred Miller's query.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: MBSLynne
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:06 AM

Damn! You're right! It's 59th street bridge song isn't it? So what IS positively 4th Street?

And I'm positive I will enjoy Towersey!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST,fred miller
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:32 AM

Oh. You've got a lotta nerve--that one. I must agree. Positively 4th Street is one that sucks, verily. Perhaps some emotions, especially negative grudgy ones, don't want to be sung. And Dylan's gift for finding music in his unpolished voice doesn't always extend to listless, grooveless arrangements. It doesn't float enough, I think.

On the positive side, I've found out that some of the Smothers Brothers are on video, and I'm going to get hold of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:00 AM

MBSLynne:

Is "Love Lynne" a request, command, or statement of identity?

Inquiring minds want to know...


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Davetnova
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:36 AM

That's it work finished for the week, the suns still shining, I'm having dinner with a beautiful lady tonight. Have a good weekend everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:41 AM

more sex have a nice weekend all


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:47 AM

Post number 50. Which was nice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:52 AM

Having my son stay for a few days is cool,even though he throws me out of my bed to sleep on the sofa.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:15 AM

"Slow down, you move too fast..." is from the song "The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)" by Simon and Garfunkel, not from "Positively Fourth Street" by Bob Dylan.

Positively Fourth Street

You got a lotta nerve
To say you are my friend
When I was down
You just stood there grinning

You got a lotta nerve
To say you got a helping hand to lend
You just want to be on
The side that's winning

You say I let you down
You know it's not like that
If you're so hurt
Why then don't you show it

You say you lost your faith
But that's not where it's at
You had no faith to lose
And you know it

I know the reason
That you talk behind my back
I used to be among the crowd
You're in with

Do you take me for such a fool
To think I'd make contact
With the one who tries to hide
What he don't know to begin with

You see me on the street
You always act surprised
You say, "How are you?" "Good luck"
But you don't mean it

When you know as well as me
You'd rather see me paralyzed
Why don't you just come out once
And scream it

No, I do not feel that good
When I see the heartbreaks you embrace
If I was a master thief
Perhaps I'd rob them

And now I know you're dissatisfied
With your position and your place
Don't you understand
It's not my problem

I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment
I could be you

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To see you


If you know the history behind the song, it's much more interesting. Bob Dylan had experienced a lot of strife and criticism from his audience and the folk community in general between the heady days of 1962-64 (when he could do no wrong) through the tumult of 65-66 when he did a series of things that upset many folkies profoundly, delighted others, and took him beyond folk altogether into a much wider rock/pop audience. First of all, he recorded his 4rth album "Another Side of Bob Dylan"...on which he pretty much left political "protest" behind (obvious protest, that is...) and turned instead to much more personal and introspective songs. They were still laden with protest, in my opinion, but it was protest on a more subtle philosophical level. It was not about Selma, civil rights, or disarmament. This upset people who wanted him to be the literal spokesman of their favourite political causes. Accordingly, he got criticized a lot for being creative in a new way. For changing. People resist change.

He continued changing on the next two albums, and shifted radically into electric music by 1965, upsetting a whole lot more people. You can hardly imagine now just how upset they were! It seems bizarre in retrospect.

Well, things got kind of crazy. A lot of Dylan's peers were quietly envious of his meteoric rise to fame. Some of them felt he didn't deserve it. Others just hated him for doing what they could not do. Others felt he had betrayed folk music in some way. There was a lot of bad gossip going around. There were people acting friendly to his face and cutting him to pieces behind his back, and that was plainly obvious. You know how it feels when someone smiles in your face, because they think maybe you can help them with something, but behind that smile they were wishing something would land on you and crush you? It happens. The music business was very competitive, and most of those people were young and insecure, looking to make their big mark on the world. Nobody had made as big a mark as Dylan in 65-66. Even the Beatles knew that. They sold more records, but Dylan was at the cutting edge of thought expressed in song. The Beatles were writing kid stuff in comparison.

So you're in this position where you're so famous that you can't be a normal person around normal people anymore...and everybody wants to be your "friend" (but not really, they just want an advantageous connection)...or else they hate you openly with a vitriolic hatred because you have either done what they couldn't do or you have failed to do what they thought you ought to.

Well, what's remarkable about the song Positively Fourth Street is the sheer gut intensity of it. You know he means it. Everybody was caught up in something there that they cared about at a very deep level, Dylan included, and he did not mince words. He said it straight out. You listen to that song...it could practically take the paint off the walls. Not by an exessive wall of sound and screaming guitars (like you hear a lot on the radio)...but by raw emotional intensity and bare honesty.

He said what isn't usually said. Maybe he shouldn't have. Hard to say. It's not a pleasant song, but it's an unforgettable reminder of just how powerfully people were caught up in the music at that time, and how deeply their feelings went on the issues that were raised. He was like a bare wire. I listen to the song and it still amazes me how he layed himself bare in those words...without needing to use a single vulgarity. (Most people resort to vulgarity when they get really angry. It's the path of least awareness...or least control.)

He had a lot of courage to record that song...and a lot of gall, too...because it really hurt some people who actually did care about him. They figured maybe it was aimed at them...and, hey, maybe it was. We were all young and somewhat fallible, searching for Love and for the Truth in our own particular ways.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 11:24 AM

I'm positively glad I read that last post, Little Hawk. I learned something I didn't know before, and that's always a good thing for me.

Thank you.

..xx..e


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 02:33 PM

Good material, Little Hawk.

Rick Nelson also experienced fans and associates who couldn't accept his change and growth, and he also expressed it in the song "Garden Party." Look at the line about Dylan's disguise: what Hughes was this? (Howard died in 1976 and was ill for years). Is this a response to Dylan's earlier song, or an indictment? From a songfacts site comes this distillation of what I understood to be Nelson's story:
    In 1971, he played a show with other stars from the '50s at Madison Square Garden in New York City. He was expected to play his hit, but when he played his newer material, the crowd booed him badly. After that show, Nelson stopped playing nostalgia shows.

Nelson's song came out in 1972. Dylan's came out in 1965.

Rick Nelson
Garden Party

I went to a garden party to reminisce with my old friends.
A chance to share old memories and play our old songs again.
When I got to the garden party, they all knew my name,
But no one recognized me, I didn't look the same.
But it's all right now. I learned my lesson well.
You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself.

People came from miles around. Everyone was there.
Yoko brought her walrus. There was magic in the air.
And over in the corner, much to my surprise,
Mr. Hughes hid in Dylan's shoes wearing his disguise.
But it's all right now. I learned my lesson well.
You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself.

I played them all the old songs, I thought that's why they came.
No one heard the music. We didn't look the same.
I said hello to "Mary Lou, she belongs to me.
When I sang a song about a Honky-Tonk, it was time to leave.
But it's all right now. I learned my lesson well.
You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself.

Someone opened up a closet door and out stepped Johnny B. Goode,
Playing guitar like a ring and a bell and lookin' like he should.
If you gotta play at garden parties, I wish you a lotta lock,
But if memories were all I sang, I rather drive a truck.
But it's all right now. I learned my lesson well.
You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself.


SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 02:39 PM

Do two negative comments make a positive?


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST,Fred Miller
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 02:40 PM

That's basically my take on the song too, LH, but I find it prosaic and lacking imagery and aesthetic distance compared to most of his other work. And it's a tune he doesn't sing well. And the tone is limp, maybe very sincere, but dull. Not that he shouldn't "say" it, I just don't think it's very good.

Anyone know where my glass cutter is, dang it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 02:41 PM

OOps, sorry, accidentally turned it into a music discussion thread. Resume your regularly scheduled non-grousing. :)

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 02:46 PM

Please, come crawl out your window.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 06:56 PM

Use your arms and legs, it won't ruin you...


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 07:02 PM

How could you say he will haunt you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 09:46 PM

For an electric circuit you've got to have both positive and negative.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: GUEST,GROK
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:02 PM

Really? Well, what about the potato?


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Aug 04 - 10:53 PM

You can go back to him any time you want to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Dewey
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 01:55 AM

State of Mind

If you THINK you are beaten, you are.
If you THINK you dare not, you don't.
If you like to win, but THINK you can't,
It's Almost certain you won't.

If you THINK you're lose, you're lost,
For out of the world we find,
Success begins with a fellow's will--
It's ALL in the STATE OF MIND.

If you THINK you are outclassed, you are,
You've Got to THINK high to rise,
You've got to be SURE OF YOURSELF, before
You can ever win a prize.

Life's battles don't always go,
To the stronger or faster man,
But Soon or Late the man(woman)who wins
Is the man (woman) WHO THINKS HE(SHE) CAN!

The key word or wisdom is "STATE OF MIND"

This is one time where the caps are O.K. as this is exactly how the origin poem appears, the caps are included by the author to illustrate the profound points in the poem.

This is one of the most positive poems in existance.

Its wisdom can only be detected by those who are ready to receive life's treasures!

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:41 AM

I'm alive
The sun is riz
How sweet the pretty birdies is

RtS
(Paraphased from ???Ogden Nash??)


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:43 AM

Thanks for posting that one, Dewey. It is a great poem.

On a lighter note: my dog is a very positive thinker. He thinks our every action is with him in mind and includes food of some sort to be shared with him. An image came to mind the other day as he followed me to the kitchen: picture a cartoon, if you will, of a dog and its human standing in front of a closed refrigerator. The human is saying to the dog, "You can lead me to the 'fridge, but you can't make me open it!":-)

all the best,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 06:26 AM

On the other hand:

"Shall I tell you where the men are who believe most in themselves? For I can tell you. I know of men who believe in themselves more colossally than Napoleon or Caesar. I know where flames the fixed star of certainty and success. I can guide you to the thrones of the Super-men. The men who really believe in themselves are all in lunatic asylums." (From Orthodoxy by GK Chesterton.


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: frogprince
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 10:31 AM

Spring has sprung
The grass has riz
Where last year's
Careless driver is
---BurmaShave


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Subject: RE: BS: Only positive posts on this thread.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 28 Aug 04 - 05:46 PM

Thank you for such a positive response. Best wishes.


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