Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians

Subject: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST,cmcw
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 08:50 PM

Does anyone have - or know of a source for - the record on the "Labor Arts" label by Joe Glazer and Bill Friedland entitled "Ballads for Sectarians"? There's also another album, same label, called "Songs of the Wobblies".

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST,Chanteyranger
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 08:59 PM

I have an album of 78's called "Songs Of Citizen CIO," sung by Joe Glazer. Not, of course, one of the albums you mentioned, but pretty close. If you're looking for information on the Labor Arts label, I can take a look at that and post some info.

Chanteyranger

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST,cmcw
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 01:19 PM

Thanks, chanteyranger. I'd appreciate any info you find.

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 02:38 PM

This Google Search brings up some information on Songs for Sectarians, but not a whole lot.

All but one song from Ballads is on the Bear Family collection, Songs for Political Action. Here are the songs included:

• Old Bolshevik Song
  
• The Cloakmaker's Union
  
• Land of the Daily Worker
  
• Our Line's Been Changed Again (Alton Levy)
  
• In Old Moscow (Walter Cliff)
  
• Unite for Unity (Joe Glazer)
  
• Bill Bailey (the Ultimate Sectarian) (click for part)
  
• The Last International (Joe Glazer)

The missing song is an anti-Stalin parody called "Little Joe the Rustler," written by Joe Glazer. Joe Glazer and Bill Friedland recorded Ballads for Sectarians in late 1951 or early 1952.
Chanteyranger, what songs are on Songs Of Citizen CIO? I thought that one was by Tom Glazer and Josh White, but I may be confused.
-Joe Offer-

Speaking of Bill Friedland, see I Wanna Marry a Trotskyite and give me a hand with the tune.
Also be sure to see the Socialist Songbook and this page (click) of information on Joe Glazer and Bill Friedland.

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 08:59 PM

Songs for Political Action also has several (maybe all) songs from a 1944 Tom Glazer/Josh White album on the Asch label called Citizen C.I.O.. Songs on the CD are:

Citizen C.I.O. (with Bess Hawes)
No More Blues
We've Got a Plan
Socialist Worker's Talking Blues
I'm Gonna Put My Name Down
Freedom Road

I couldn't find this Citizen C.I.O. album at Smithsonian/Folkways. I thought Smithsonian/Folkways had acquired all of the Asch recordings, and that they were available as custom CD's.
Chanteyranger, is this the album you're referring to?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Roberto
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 02:35 AM

I have Songs of Joe Hill sung by Joe Glazer on Folkways FA 2039, now available as custom CD.

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 01:39 PM

Joe Offer - thanks very much for the info. The Socialist Songbook is great.

cmcw

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 06:34 PM

You will find some of these songs (including Citizen CIO) on the Smithsonian Folkways label now--the CD is That's Why We're Marching (WW2 songs for themost part). I will be playing that track as part of the Labor Day portion of my program this Sunday on WFDU. The show is, as some of you know, Traditions and airs from 3-6 PM ET on WFDU 89.1 FM in Teaneck NJ and streams on the web:   

http://www.wfdu.fm

Bill Hahn
Traditions/Tabletalk
WFDU

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 11:51 PM

LARRY PENN, a fine singer of working folks songs, worked with Joe Glazer for a long while. I think Larry recorded for Joe's label. I'll e-mail him and get the skinny if I can.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 02:31 AM

Well, am I embarrassed. I hadn't actually looked at my album in a long while, and got the two Glazers confused. Yes, Joe, the Citizen CIO album you link to is the one I have. GUEST cmcw, in the words of Saturday Night live's "Emily Litella"............never mind.

Chanteyranger

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 02:35 AM

On 12 December 1972 I'd finished playing a gig and went to a celebratory party at the home of a successful MP. Labor had won its first Federal election in 23 years. There was a pianist there playing all sorts of workers songs. One was a parody of the Communists/Socialists anthem which included "..while lying there in sweet repose, a breath of wind blew off her clothes...". The tune is also used for a Christmas carol, but be blowed if I can remember the name of it! Is it '______ Tree'?

The tune should be easy - anyone know the parody?

Regards, John

PS Joe, the reason I thought of this was because your Trotsky song could (possibly) be shoe-horned into the chorus.

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 03:49 AM

Hi, John - that's a parody of "The Red Flag," and both the original and the parody are in the DT. Gargoyle posted a more complete version of the parody here (click) in a Rugby song thread.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 09:43 AM

G'day John & Joe,

And, of course, the banal tune they ended up using for The Red Flag was Tannenbaun ... or, in its English iteration, The Christmas Tree.

They apparently rejected the original tune - The White Cockade!

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 04 Sep 04 - 01:28 PM

Larry Penn says:

Joe is still out there, only scaled back in retirement. His company COLLECTORS RECORDS is run by his son-in-law--at least at the sales end. Joe's discography is huge. You can also get Joe's recordings from the Labor Heritage Foundation in Washington D.C. --- or try George Meany Cnter in Silver Spring. I don't find the address for these later two in my files for some reason.

Collector Records
9225 Wendell Street
Silver Spring, MD 20901-3533
fax:[phone]
[e-mail]

Joe Glazer
4701 Willard Ave. #336
Chevy Chase, MD 20815
301-652-0393

(Art Thieme)

Subject: Songs of the Wobblies (Joe Glazer & Bill Friedland
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 03:54 AM

A friend gave me a copy of the program notes for the second album on the Labor Arts label, Songs of the Wobblies sung by Joe Glazer and Bill Friedland (their first album was Ballads for Sectarians) Here are the cuts on the album:

• Hallelujah! I'm a Bum!
• The Rebel Girl
• The Tramp
• The Commonwealth of Toil
• Popular Wobbly
• Dump the Bosses Off Your Back
• The Preacher and the Slave
• Down to the Soupline
• Boom Went the Boom
• There Is Power in a Union
• Scissor Bill
• Workingmen, Unite!

I think I've heard Utah Phillips sing most of these songs. See IWW Little Red songbook for lyrics to many of these songs, and also see this thread (click) on the Little Red Songbook.

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST,sturgis
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 03:02 PM

I have the 10 inch that is " Labor Arts Presents" titled Ballads for Sectarians"
Let me know

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 03:21 PM

My Darling Party Line

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 03:28 PM

Or you can get it from CAMSCO, if you don't mind paying a buck or two less.

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 04:14 AM

Is the son-in-law mentioned the husband of that charming girl Gina whom I knew in London in the mid-late 1950s? Are you still there anywhere, Gina? I am still singing that lovely song about the Little Brown Dog that you taught me in a Wimpy bar once in return for a few of my chips. Susie Shahn was with us, I recall, & I think Robin Hall also.

Traditional greetings    Michael

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Felipa
Date: 06 Aug 10 - 12:04 PM

My father had the Ballad for Sectarians record and song sheets. I remember for instance, My Darling Party Line/In Old Moscow (tune Clementine)mentioned above. I didn't notice it among his effects - he may have already donated ~Ballads for Sectarians to Labor History Archives?. I asked my brother and sister to keep an eye out, but there is so much clutter that even IF the lyric sheets are in the apartment they might get dumped. So I'd love to hear from anyone, such as Sturgis, who can supply a copy (maybe photocopies and cd copied from vinyl?)

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST,me again
Date: 06 Aug 10 - 12:06 PM

background info:
http://www.folkarchive.de/friedland.html

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Felipa
Date: 06 Aug 10 - 12:22 PM

old record shellac, not vinyl - would one need an old phonograph to re-record it? I see there is a Joe Glazer mp3 listing on the internet. I haven't checked what is on it; he did make more recent (and more easily available) recordings.

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Felipa
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 02:01 PM

refresh - because I haven't had any pmail from anyone who has Ballads for Sectarians nor any reply about how to get/make an up-to-date recording from such old records.

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 04:36 PM

Felipa,
see posts above - available from Smithsonian, Camsco, or you favourite purveyor of those little silver discs.
Best wishes, Thomas.

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Gulliver
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 03:49 PM

The site for the Socialist songbook has changed. It is now:
http://www.hengstrom.net/songbook/

Don

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: Mark Ross
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 04:12 PM

I had a copy of that in 1963-4 when I was a sophomore in high school, Glad to see it on line.


Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST,Dean
Date: 04 May 11 - 05:45 PM

Hi, In the next few days there will be a copy of Ballads of sectarians on the oxfam online store. dates 1952 by Joe Glazer & Bill Friedland excellent condition complete with program notes keep your eyes peeled.

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST,Doug
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 10:56 PM

Anybody know a song which starts out "Poor Little Me, I'm in the CP"=
can't find it, lost the record a long time ago.

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 24 Aug 12 - 06:43 AM

We have a copy of this work including 3 10" 78 rpm records and lyric sheet in the original Card folder at the Oxfam Shop in Devizes UK. We can ship worldwide. Please E-mail enquiries and/or offers to [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Joe Glazer - Ballads for Sectarians
From: GUEST,Felipa
Date: 20 Mar 21 - 02:06 PM

The link Joe Offer gave for part of Bill Bailey, The Ultimate Sectarian no longer works. I heard it on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAjRLLa5YFE

I learned "My Darling Party Line" in my youth because my father had a "Ballad for Sectarians" song booklet. Of course I already knew the Darling Clementine tune. You can also find that trackof Ballads for Sectarians on you tube. It's about the 1939 Hitler - Stalin pact.

My Darling Party Line

In ol' Moscow, in the Kremlin,
In the fall of thirty nine
Sat a Russian and a Prussian
Writing out the party line

Oh my darling, Oh my darling,
Oh my darling party line
Oh, I never will desert you
For I love this life of mine

Leon Trotsky was a Nazi,
Oh, we knew it for a fact.
Pravda said it, we all read it
Before the Stalin-Hitler Pact

Oh my darling, Oh my darling,
Oh my darling party line
Oh, I never will desert you
For I love this life of mine

Once a Nazi would be shotsy
That was then the party line
Now a Nazi's hotsy-totsy,
Trotsky's laying British mines

Oh my darling, Oh my darling,
Oh my darling party line
Oh, I never will desert you
For I love this life of mine

Now the Nazis and Der Fuehrer
Stand within the party line
All the Russians love the Prussians
Volga boatmen sail the Rhine

Oh my darling, Oh my darling,
Oh my darling party line
Oh, I never will desert you
For I love this life of mine