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Pete Seeger's last concert

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Subject: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Alonzo M. Zilch (inactive)
Date: 11 Sep 04 - 01:33 AM

I've seen several reports that Pete Seeger's appearance in Toronto next week with the other surviving Weavers -- Fred Hellerman, Ronnie Gilbert and Erik Darling -- will be his last concert. Ever.

Toronto Sun

Soul Shine


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: cobber
Date: 11 Sep 04 - 07:22 AM

God! That makes me feel old. Surely I haven't had my Weavers albums that long. Ronnie Gilbert came to Australia a few years back and sounded as good as ever so that should be a great night. Is anyone recording it?


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Subject: Attention: TORONTO people
From: Alonzo M. Zilch (inactive)
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 01:51 PM

If any of you are going to attend this event, please post a report. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: pdq
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 04:06 PM

Shouldn't Frank Hamilton be invited?


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: BK Lick
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 04:59 PM

The second of those linked pages contains this contributed comment:
He performs for free in his own community all summer long. He has said that this is his last paying gig.
He will play on I'm sure!

-- BK


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: lucky_p
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 05:25 PM

If so, it makes me sad. A highlight of my early childhood -- what solidified my love for folk music -- was watching Pete perform at my summer camp in upper New York State in 1962. He sang "Wimoweh" and talked about the South African lion sleeping that would soon be getting up, and he was right of course. And we all sang "We Shall Overcome" and meant it, as this was a progressive democratic socialist summer camp governed by equal representation of women, blacks, whites and latins, an anomaly then and even now to some extent, but way before its time. Pete was just so great -- tremendous energy level and terrific harmonies and galvanized the entire audience and blew off the rooftop.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: emilyrain
Date: 12 Sep 04 - 07:03 PM

pete and arlo guthrie's first double album of live sets ("together") is what made me a folkie 'till i die. what a body of work he's produced... what a life.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: GUEST,Emily F.
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 11:25 AM

It's pretty indicative of how far Mudcat has moved from folk music that a thread about Pete Seeger's last concert gets almost no reponse.

It's too bad that Toronto is so far away. I sure wish I could be there.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 11:28 AM

well - the concert hasn't happenned yet - and according to the sources it is only his last PAYING gig - so there really doesn't seem to be much to discuss about it.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 11:35 AM

You are right, Guest, Guest Emily F.

There isn't really that much interest in American folk music here. Not as much as there could or should be.

This is the end of an illustrious career that influenced many, but I guess there isn't enough to talk about for the navel gazers.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Alonzo M. Zilch (inactive)
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 11:36 AM

I've re-read both of the articles that I linked to. Neither says that it is Pete's last PAYING gig. They say it will be his last PUBLIC gig. That suggests to me that Pete is going into full retirement, something that, at 85, I certainly don't begrudge him. If anyone's earned it, it's Pete Seeger. It is, though, an end of an era that began about 65 years ago.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: black walnut
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 11:46 AM

JeffM is going. Looking forward to your report, Jeff!

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 12:53 PM

GUEST,Emily F. and Martin Gibson, I don't believe the apparent lack of response to this thread necessarily indicates a lack of interest in folk music here. In a very real sense, it marks the end of an era. Sometimes such things as Pete's retiring from public performing produce such a personal response that they don't seem to call for any particularly public response or display. Rather, it seems to call for a period of contemplation: something similar, perhaps, to a period of mourning. And that can feel very personal; almost too personal to discuss in open forum without, at least, allowing a little time to pass to absorb it.

In fall of 1954, when I had only been playing guitar and singing for a couple of years, Pete gave a concert in a small auditorium (seated about 100) in Seattle's University District. Pete wasn't getting many singing jobs at the time because his battle with the House Un-American Activities Committee scared many people away, but that didn't stop Walt Robertson from arranging the concert, nor did it stop the auditorium from being packed. There was a party for Pete after the concert, and since I was taking guitar lessons from Walt at the time, I was included. It was a great party with lots of singing (Pete wanted to hear local singers), but it was a Tuesday night, and since many people had to work the next day, they began drifting off around midnight. But the party went on, because Pete was game to stay as long as there were people there who wanted to keep singing. About six of us, including Pete, wound up sitting on Carol Lee Waite's living room floor until four o'clock in the morning passing a guitar around—my very recently purchased Martin 00-18—swapping songs and asking Pete questions. As you can imagine, it was an unforgettable evening. And morning.

Those few hours had a lot to do with the course of the rest of my life. So I am certainly not indifferent to Pete's retiring from public performance. And I doubt that I am the only one who Pete's boundless enthusiasm affected in that same way, and who now feel rather sober at this recent news.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 01:00 PM

Don Firth

The fact that you responded now proves how psychology is such a powerful weapon.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 01:05 PM

Martin, this is a thread about Pete. Let's try to keep it on a higher level, shall we?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 01:20 PM

This is getting silly. Does everybody need to respond? What can you say? Pete meant a lot to all of us. He is 85 and trying to take life a little easier. It is understood what he has meant to this music. The fact that folk music has survived to the extent that it has is a testament to his contributions. What is there to discuss?    The fact that the initial message was posted late on Saturday and EmilyF made her comment on Monday morning when there is only a handful of posts points out that most Mudcatters have other things to do on the weekend.

Don't moan about the old lightbulb because the current bulb is burning just fine.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Steve-o
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 01:54 PM

Thank you, Don, for speaking eloquently for most all of us. I sure wish I had a great personal story about Pete, but no such luck. For those of us whose lives were impacted by Pete's music and all that he stands for, all we can do is be thankful, and you're right- sort of mournful. Through his music and his integrity, I feel that I somehow know him- he has a place in my heart. I'll bet many many folks feel this way. I would call him one of the Great Men of the 20th Century. It is, of course, sad to see someone we love get old, but bowing out gracefully is exactly what I would expect from Pete Seeger. He may not be up there on the stage with that amazing enthusiasm and charisma, but his music will live on for many generations.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Midchuck
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 02:26 PM

I would say it was sadder to see someone we love not get old.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 02:29 PM

Don, you wouldn't have responded if I hadn't prodded you.

I , like others have no personal stake in this.

Pete Seeger is over the hill. Probably was years ago. Finally he admits that he can't remember the words any more. It's sad he performed for as long as he did, getting paid for concerts by a way too forgiving audience. Enjoy his records and let the guy retire with what dignity

He had many days in the sun. time to hang up the spikes, I mean banjo and let someone new carry the torch.

Time marches on. Marching to Pretoria is ancient history.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 04:40 PM

Pete forgot more about folk music than a dozen of us ever knew. He'll be missed of course. I wish I'd had a chance to see him at any point in his career.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 04:42 PM

Marty, you tend to self-inflate. You had nothing to do with my responding to this thread. I didn't discover it until this morning.

As I said, this thread is about Pete. If you want to use it to indulge in your usual small-mindedness, go right ahead and show your true colors. But I've said what I wanted to say in my first post, so there's no reason for me to post anything more here, especially in response to you. That's it. I'm done here.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 04:50 PM

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Don.

Amazing how you just love to character assasinate with someone who just doesn't agree with you. You are the champion of self-inflated posters, Don.

He's over the hill, Don. I agree, too bad. But , I'll also stand by what I last posted.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:02 PM

"over the hill" is a matter of where you are standing. I visited Pete a few years ago. He had just come in from chopping wood. I saw him last year and he did not appear to slip a bit.

The reality is, he is 85 years old. Of course he forgets a few words. His voice is not what it used to be. But it is not bad for an 85 year old.

Were people going to see Pete Seeger for the music? Not exactly. Pete's concerts were events. IF you know anything about the man you understand that his purpose was to educate and to show people how they can make music, and more importantly make a difference.

I don't think anyone ever requested their money back from a Pete Seeger concert. Maybe a few pinheads with closed minds during the McCarthy era, but I believe most people who saw Pete in recent years treasure the moments.

Some people tend to think songs are museum pieces. They can't see how a song like Marching to Pretoria might still have relevance. Folk music is a living tradition, and Pete certainly planted enough seeds to keep it growing.

We can all wave at Martin from whatever hill we are standing on.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:10 PM

Your fooling yourself, Ron.

Age has greatly deteriorated his talents, but not necessarily his legend.

However, others have had just as much if not more influence, musically.

You can also wave at me from the ditch and rut you might just be in.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:12 PM

One nice note - it is great to see that Pete is still with us and has become a legend, long after the paranoid nutcases tried to blacklist him. He is living proof that the freedoms we fought for in this country do mean something. He won the battle for free speech and is recognized for his contributions to improving our nation while his detractors are forgotten names in forgotten graves.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:13 PM

An interesting anecdote that will show that some people never "are over the hill". Recently someone I know had Pete Seeger over to his house to ask him--as a favor-- to record on his home equipment Waist Deep in The Big Muddy (another still relevant piece) because this person had heard him in a local concert and was amazed that he still could hit the higher registers. Lo and behold, I am told that this recording came out quite well.

But, as Ron said, is right on the mark. With Seeger it was not really about the music---it was about an event or a cause. Yes, The Weavers it was both---Music and message---but no soothing massage of bland material.

As to songs staying relevant. Unfortunately many do---and not only Pete Seeger's---think older songs by Phil Ochs for example and also Tom Paxton.

This concert will be having a lot to do with a film that will be released shortly which was filmed as a tribute to Harold Leventhal at a concert in NYC which featured Pete Seeger among many others.

From my point of view---every last person who considers himself a "folk" or a "political" singer owes his career to Seeger and his ongoing causes that kept him and his music in the public eye. One of the most deserved Kennedy Ctr honors of recent memory went to him--rightfully so.

Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:17 PM

I'm high on a hill Martin watching you roll and tumble into your small and lonely crevice.

Of course there are others who had as much and perhaps more influence. Who said differently?   Why is it necessary for you to compare apples and oranges?

You are the one who is creating a limited definition of "talent". Perhaps you would like to point out where he "deteriorated".   I am betting you will say his voice, but that is not what makes Pete great.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:19 PM

Nice story Don. I enjoyed it.

Pete has meant so much to so many of us, its hard to put into words all that he has done for us - people like myself, who never met him, saw him perform live even.

he was a skilled interpreter in a time when even Bob Dylan sounded outlandish. He introduced us to all sorts of ethnic music and artists that we should never have been aware of.

A superb folk artist, songwriter, and from all acounts a good man.
I once wrote to him and he found time to write a personal reply.

I wish him and his family some good times together.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:38 PM

Ge Ron, it's hard when your heroes bite the dust, isn't it.

Political folk music really isn't my thing, basically. Yes, his voice has deteriorated, his banjo playing has deteriorated, and his IMPACT on music and politics saw it's limelight decades ago to all but a few old time hero worshipper folkies.

His song "Little Boxes" will always be the song I hate the most. He had no right to ridicule what was the WWII vet's American dream of building and buying a home for his family on the GI bill.

His support recently of the Palestinian causes hasn't won him any friends either, of course except his far left save the world from Israel pals.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:46 PM

Martin:---get your fact straight---Malvina Reynolds wrote Little Boxes. Seeger sang it---among others.
          Your last sentence re: Palestine/Israel is a bit disjointed and really does not make sense. My sense of his beliefs--and they are just mine--is that they translate into people getting along with people---in short humanity. Israelis argue amongst themselves about policy--Palestinians ditto. Seeger tries to put things into a human and world perspective.

            I don't know to what you are referring as to his songs on that subject---his most recent were about MLK, brotherhood around the world among others in that same vein.

             As to veins it is possible that you have been bled by dear Count Dracul aand a trying to suck the blood of Seeger now with your venomous and uninformed comments.

Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:47 PM

Play nice children.

Here's one of the great teachers/performers/encouragers of the last hundred years sitting down for a bit of a rest and you guys use it as an excuse to namecall, nitpick, badmouth each other -- on a site that probably wouldn't exist without Pete's long years and remarkable efforts. If your life is so full of bitterness and anger go to counseling or therapy. Do volunteer work at a local domestic violence shelter; clean your local waterways; train with the local gov't entity which staffs polling places and do something to make/keep the elections honest; etc. Do something to contribute to the health of your community, and, if you appreciate him, say your doing it in his honor. You might not have so much time (or inclination) to be nasty to each other. Grow up.

There's been a lot of good work and useful accomplishments done by many in the last half-century that's owed to Pete Seeger's inspiration. We should be thanking him (and Toshi) profusely, using that inspiration to carry on, and not wasting energy practicing viciousness. Haven't you learned anything?

I will cherish my personal memories of his warmth and kindness to me as a child; but as I became an adult I also learned to APPRECIATE his capacity to persevere in teaching/doing right -- day after day, trouble after trouble, setback after setback. If we can do half as well we might really bring about positive, healthy change and improvement in all areas.

I bet retirement from performing doesn't mean retirement from encouraging and helping the rest of us.   Tw.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: BK Lick
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:49 PM

His song "Little Boxes"...

Tells a lot about the depth of someone's knowledge of folk music, don't it?

   -- BK


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 05:53 PM

Well put---look at this. A simple posting about a concert and a question and all the people who want to be "published" as brilliant critics come out of the proverbial woodwork---people don't come out of woodwork. We do know what does

---and if the Hudson had not been cleaned up by a project started by Seeger there would have been much more rotten woodwork in the various riverfront communities.

Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 06:24 PM

Responses here echo many that were in the first thread on Mr. Seeger's impending retirement. Though he has championed many causes in his lifetime he has done it with class and has earned the respect that is afforded him. I have seen him in person and read many of his articles and have never known him to spue the kind of hatred that is so common today when people speak of those who hold opposing views. Much could be learned from him on how to address one's concerns. The enjoyment I have found in music is due in part to him. I have not always agreed with his political views, but I am saddened to think he will no longer be performing and helping others enjoy music. I can't imagine him not continuing to speak out for justice and freedom.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 06:50 PM

Martin, Martin.   You ignorant slut.   (sorry Chevy Chase)

I'm not sure why you are making this so personal. I never attacked you and suddenly you come mocking me. Why pick on me? Well, it's your thing, so be it.

I do have to give you credit. I think you realized that most of us would respond to your

You will never understand what Seeger meant to us because you come from a different perspective. I respect that. Many people forget that folk music during the revival had two distinct elements. You help remind us. There was a strong conservative leaning with people like John Lomax and John Jacob Niles. The leftist movement also jumped on the folksong movement and turned it into a tool for social causes. If it wasn't for both sides doing their job, there would have been no folk revival. You can't give credit to one side without acknowledging the other.

I do understand your point about his singing of Malvina Reynold's song, but again you took things the wrong way. If you really listened to the song you would see that it was a gentle protest against the conformity that was taking shape in the 1950s.   He was not begruding any GI for following their dream. He is also a veteran, and he fullfilled his dream by building his own cabin, most of it with his own two hands.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: CapriUni
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 06:51 PM

This is not a "Pete Seeger moment" that I have remmember clearly myself (I think I was about 8 or 9 at the time) but one my mother reminded me of.

We were hosting a Clearwater (that "project started by Seeger" Bill Hahn wrote of) fundraiser at our house. I was sitting on the ground and flinched at the sight of a large beetle walking nearby. When Pete saw that, he commented: "It's only a bug!" According to my mother, I was never afraid of bugs after that...

Okay. So it's not a big, earth-shattering, life-changing moment. But to my mind, it reflects his general attitude that all life is to be respected, and that which is different is not to be feared.

Oh, and I always felt happy when I saw the motto printed on the head of his banjo: "This machine surrounds hate and forces it to surrender."


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 07:02 PM

Bill, Don, and others, why do you respond to such vitriol and ignorance? It is of no significance, while you have much good to share with us. Please do and ignore the little potshots.

Maybe a new motto should be WWPD- What would Pete Do?!

Happy Retirement, Pete and thanks for everything!

kat


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 08:11 PM

Quite a few years before Malvena was astute enough to portray that part of California as well as she did in her good song, Carol and I were driving past that place (Daly City) on the coast and we both mentioned, noted, and shook our heads over the agonizing sight of all those stupid little houses---all in pastel colors and each one, otherwise, a mirror image of the ones on either side of it---as far as the eye could see. That was long before the rest of America, one nauseating housing development after another, became blights on the landscape that made a prfundity out of another line from a decent little song: "They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Martin, take note...

Oh, hell, it's just not worth wasting good word and/or time on you.

As long as you live, I will never be provoked into responding to your sickening ranting again.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 08:30 PM

oops. I made an error. I meant to type John Lomax, not Alan in my above post.

fixed it for you - el joe clone -


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: lucky_p
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 10:04 PM

Thank you, Art Thieme. I was sitting at my computer tonight trying to come up with the precise words to convey the precise feelings and thoughts, all with the right tone and right rhythm. But you said it, Art, you said it. It's not worth spending a plug nickel on, not one breath from my body will be exhaled in Martin's direction.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 10:05 PM

Art, that's fine with me. You don't seem to be living much these days anyway. And those "stupid little houses" were full of real people's dreams. You have no right to criticize that without being called a snob, or worse.

Pete seeger was best known for the song Little Boxes even though he did not write it. You do not need to have written a song to be most known for it. Plenty of examples on that.

I found the song stupid and condescending, if not arrogant.

Ron, you are absolutely correct about the two camps of folk music. There is the one that's in it for the music and there is the one that takes itself way too seriously and looking at the world today, has really very little to show for it.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Marc Bernier
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 10:07 PM

Ron, you quoted Dan Akroyd not Chevy Chase. I too felt something lost, when I just saw this thread. I met Pete once about 10 years ago. I was cooking on a schooner that had been chartered by clearwater to do programs on the hudson. (The program has gotten so popular that the sloop clearwater can no longer handle the demand alone). Tao was music educator on board, and Pete stopped by for lunch and an afternoon sail. The 3 of us did the afternoon music program together. That will always be one of the highlights in my career as a musician. And your right. It's not about his voice or his picking. He makes everyone part of the event at that moment. I glad I got my opportunity to experience that.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 10:16 PM

Ooops.   Akroyd, Chase... same thing!

Still stirring the pot Martin!   I would look at the civil rights movement, the labor movement and the anti-war movement and the work all three did. I am sure you will knock each one, but that is your opinion after all.

You of all people find objection to something that is "stupid and condescending, if not arrogant."   I assume you don't own any mirrors? That is a hell of a thing to say about Art. I know you like to stir up crap, and I am sure you will send back an e-mail with a few choice obsenities at me, but so what.

You have a lot going for you Martin. You do make some very good points at times and I know you have a strong knowlege of music and history. It is a shame that you have to attack people and make such ignorant remarks. You lose all credibility when you do that. You could really make a difference instead of becoming a sad caricature of the right.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 10:18 PM

... and I don't think that conservatives in music are taking themselves too seriously. They can have fun with the rest of us if they choose.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 10:30 PM

stupid and condescending, if not arrogant

A great capsule autobiography.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: GUEST,MG, your 50 minutes are up
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 10:42 PM

Maybe Little Boxes was Pete Seeger's best known song as far as Martin Gibson knows, but he doesn't know much. Pete Seeger didn't write that song, but did he put together some of the best know songs of the 60s. Guantanamera, Turn Turn Turn, Golden Thread, lots of others. Some he wrote outright and some he took verses and put them to music. Either Martin Gibson doesn't know anything about Pete Seeger or he is just trying to get attention. What better way to get attention on a folk music forum than to badmouth someone like Pete Seeger? "I want some attention, I want some attention, I want some attention!"

Sad. Incurable.

S. Freud


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: artbrooks
Date: 14 Sep 04 - 12:46 AM

I remember going back stage...it must have been the early 1990s...to pay Pete after a concert he had done for our Madison (WI) folk group, and saw him putting on the braces he wore for his carpal tunnel. He was in pain every time he played his banjo, yet he kept on sharing his music with the rest of us. I read his "farewell" statement in SingOut a couple of issues ago, and was amazed then that he has lasted as long as he has. Best of luck to him and, after everything he has brought to all of us, I hope he has some years for others to bring things to him.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Peace
Date: 14 Sep 04 - 01:06 AM

Little Boxes: Malvina Reynolds
Turn, Turn, Turn: Eccliastes--word changes, Pete and I think the melody was his
Guantanamera: based on a translation of a poem (?) by Jose Marti

Golden Thread: I'm stumped on this one.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Sep 04 - 01:20 AM

Guantanamera- Music by Jose Fernamdez Dias, poem by Jose Marti, adaptation by Pete Seeger and Julian Orbon. Incompletely attributed in the DT.
Turn, Turn, Turn -Inspired by Eccclesiastes (mispelled also?) but otherwise Pete's.
Now both of those will be running through my head, probably even after I get to sleep.


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Subject: RE: Pete Seeger's last concert
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Sep 04 - 01:48 AM

Eccclesiastes: there is a time for every 'C', son.

Turn, Turn, Turn might stick in my head too. It does that. I also remember Goofing Off Suite and Ode to Joy on banjo. I only saw him once in concert, with Arlo Guthrie, and had a great time. It seems like the end of an era. May he enjoy his retirement, earned many times over.


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