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Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)

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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Feb 06 - 11:11 AM

Yawn.

Nothing new under the sun, eh lads?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: sinpelo
Date: 19 Feb 06 - 11:07 AM

There may be another way to approach this problem: Although artists cannot challenge his legal ownership of R&D rights, they could possibly sue him for loss of earnings. If Bulmer controls the R&D rights of work on which artists depend to earn a living, then perhaps he can be legally obliged to enable them to do so. If Bulger is preventing people from legitimately earning a living from their own work, he has a legal case to answer. I think it's worth pursuing.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 11 Feb 06 - 10:18 PM

Just to point out that the Honest John sampler release largely consists of tracks from other CDs that Celtic Music has already released. And it's a pricey sampler, at that.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: treewind
Date: 11 Feb 06 - 05:38 PM

Bruce, read the story.
Most of the people who have been shafted by Bulmer NEVER DID ANY BUSINESS WITH HIM.

In a nutshell, they recorded for Leader; Leader went bust; DB picked up the bankrupt business for a song; DB perversely didn't bother trading in the material for which he owned the rights.

All sensible contracts with record labels now have a clause explicitly assigning all rights to the artist in the event of the label going bust.
Before then the possibility of such a bizarre scenario hadn't been imagined.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Bruce Baillie
Date: 11 Feb 06 - 05:07 PM

Well I'd just like to add my two pennorth, I remember Dave Bulmer from back in the 1970's when he used to play in a band called 'Burned Peat' consisting of Bernard Davey, Tom McConnville, Tony Wilson and sometimes various others... and they, and he were bloody good! he was an Accordion player of exceptional skill. I must say he always struck me as being a miserable scruffy looking bastard, and I can well imagine him being a 'dodgy businessman'but hey, the world is full of them and if you are stupid enough to get sucked in by one don't expect them to be anything other than what they are! i.e. INTERESTED IN ONLY THEMSELVES AND WHAT YOU CAN DO TO LINE THEIR POCKETS!!!
It's a tough life so don't expect them to give back the birthright you so willingly sold away!
...There now shoot me down!


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Diddly Eye Di Di
Date: 11 Feb 06 - 09:39 AM

....... evn in Ireland he's a leg-end in his own mind!   


Date:         Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:04:45 -0000
Reply-To:    Geoff Wallis <[log in to unmask]>
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From:         Geoff Wallis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: Dave Bulmer
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Absolutely and concisely well said, William!

It's down to dear Mr Bulmer that you can't buy a copy of Paul Brady's
"Welcome Here Kind Stranger" in Ireland and struggle to find several other releases anywhere in the world which were the subjects of Bulmer's dealings with the Mulligan label. His label, Celtic Music, is a byword for exploitation, fraud and deceit.

All the best,

Geoff



----- Original Message -----
From: "William Kennedy" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Dave Bulmer


> for you who would like to know about Dave Bulmer, and the many musicians who despise him, go to Mudcat Cafe and type Bulmer in the forum window and what pops up is "Celtic Music/ Dave Bulmer Saga" four long threads worth. the short version is the hundreds of allegations of cheating musicians out of royalties, refusing to release music he has purchased the rights to and many other cases of dirty dealings. He is in court these days to answer some charges. you can read the details for yourself, as I do not have any
> personal experience with the fellow. but in relation to your question it doesn't seem that any of the musicians on those 'four lovely little collections' or the the many others that he released, ever got a penny share of any sales.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 05 - 04:44 PM

Yes....Mmmmm
Ralphie


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 08 Dec 05 - 02:20 PM

Possibly slightly off topic, but it would appear that DB has licensed from Trailer and Leader tracks to Honest Johns Records who distribute through EMI in UK.
Seems that the archives might be opening!
Cheers
LL


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Ralph
Date: 08 Dec 05 - 03:57 AM

Glad to see that this subject has not been forgotten.
And, It never will be.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Andy, Port Erin, I-O-M
Date: 08 Dec 05 - 03:51 AM

In February Music Mercenary wrote that he had the MCPS Alliance investigating Bulmer. Any news yet?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Graham in Leeds.
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 07:56 PM

Dave Bulmer can only opperate because the so called folk scene in England are happy to deal with him. you have embraced this viper to your bosum and yet question the desmise of English folk music, we all live in close proximityty to this shit, Bulmer is a really fraudter, why can you in England not see this and do something aboutit.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Graham in Leeds.
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 07:37 PM


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Jenny.
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 06:53 PM

The Sick Note guy has had many offers of help outside the law, to
date he has said no, Pat and his friends will be in Horrogate over
Christmas to speak with Bulmer and Co.
In answer to an earlier question
NEIL SHARPLEY. The Sycamores. Westgate, Louth, Lincolnshire.LN119YE.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Mike S. in Bristol
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 07:25 AM

Surfed in on this thread after a couple of years, never expecting to see it is still going strong!   Its really sad that this man Bulmer and his rather "iffy" business practices have never been sorted out by those he and his partner have screwed over so many years. He must be surrounded by even more "iffy" solicitors, accountants etc to enable him to escape detailed investigation. I note that audit has been suggested and I should have thought that this could be quite easily arranged (and cheaply/free if the Police are involved. Fraud and false accounting would seem to be his MO and from what I have read there are plenty of people in the folk world, and in other areas tainted by Bulmer, who could attest. As I understand it there are many of you who have actually had a crime committed against you by this bloke and his company. Crime is surely the remit of the Police? What happened to the "Sick Note" guy? When I last read the threads he was actively engaged in pursuing Mr Bulmer and his partner. Still, I guess I may come on again in another two years and find the same thing still ongoing! Get it together guys. Go for the jugular.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,J T.
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 10:25 PM

Tis tired old kicked to death subject will continue to be raised simply because the odious Bulmer and Sharpley are directly involved to this day in dubious practices involving respected members of the folk music community. Sharply was struck off on hard facts, and no royalty payment from him can be trusted as accurate, cashing cheques from him is tantamount to accepting that these payments are correct, and that any previous agreement is being honoured I doubt that this is the case here. This matter will not go away until these individuals begin to pactice buisness in an open and trasparent way. As for asking for an audit, this is an expensive buisness, and Sharpley is clever enough to have covered his tracks, the Police in Lincolnshire are well aware of his practices, and are willing to help nail him if any agrieved party can provide clear evidence of fraud on his part, he only escaped the last time on a tecnicality.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Effsee
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 09:26 PM

So why have you raised it again after 2 months of silence?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 07:34 PM

Arn't there other more important issues in the UK or the world than this tired old kicked to death subject to concern "right minded" people? Like FAMINE,CHILD ABUSE, NATURAL DISASTERS AND TERRORISM, or have certain people nothing else to do??


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Java Jive
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:42 PM

My source is *utterly* reliable.

Being myself currently in dispute with an internet supplier, I undertand that to use the goods under dispute is tantamount to accepting them - I presume it's a similar situation with the royalty cheques, and that is why they have not been cashed.

So, as I reliably said, Nic will not be receiving royalties ...

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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 01:45 PM

Sorry but it would seem that your source is not as reliable as it may appear.

Nic Jones was actually sent royalties but his wife refused to cash the cheques.
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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Andy, Port Erin, Isle Of Man
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 04:26 AM

Why should Mrs Jones accept cheques the accuracy of which would almost certainly be "doubtful" at best? Why would she shake hands with the devil that has caused her and her family so much distress over so many years? Assuming that she has the cheques still in her possession and has not returned them, she would be best advised to go for a full audit of CM(and its associated companies) books. This would be on the understanding that no respectable and above board record company would refuse such a request. After all audit rights are normally present in record contracts and now there are plenty of examples in case law where artists without such a clause in their contract have been awarded them retrospectively. Just remember that false accounting is a criminal matter. Go for it.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 07:10 PM

Depends on the circumstances Leadfingers but it would certainly put you at a disadvantage in any future legal action.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:49 PM

Cashing a cheque for a disputed amount is tantamount to accepting that the payment is correct isnt it ? Could one of the legal experts confirm ??


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:43 PM

Anahata
Just missed you in the post!
As I missed you at Broadstairs!!
Barb enjoyed it though.
See you all soon.
Kind Regards Ralphie


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:40 PM

Hi GUEST,guest.
Absolutely true.
You work out why.
R.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: treewind
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:33 PM

There probably is, but those who know aren't posting details, surely for one good reason or another.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 01:45 PM

Sorry but it would seem that your source is not as reliable as it may appear.

Nic Jones was actually sent royalties but his wife refused to cash the cheques.

There must be more to this than the rumour and heresay in these postings.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Java Jive
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 11:38 PM

Sadly, I have been reliably informed that Nic is not receiving/will not receive royalties from purchases of the above CDs/CD-Rs.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Robin
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 06:24 AM

(I mean the reissued 'Ballads and Songs'/'Nic Jones' CDs, obviously)


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Robin
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 06:14 AM

Has anyone (a) bought any of the Nic Jones CDs (b)discovered whether he will be paid royalties from them?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Guest: Java Jive
Date: 16 May 05 - 02:06 PM

Just for factual info ...

MbM are supplying Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/size=20&store-name=music&index=music&field-label=Music%20By%20Mail/026-658

I bought Barbara Dickson's "From The Beggar's Mantle" by this means. The CD, not CD-R, is by Phonograph, "Licensed from the Decca Music Group Ltd, a division of Universal Music Group". It's distributed by MbM.

I don't see any MCPS/PRS info or logos on the CD or packaging, but I think p*ssing of Decca by not paying due royalties would probably be more than it's worth. Besides, if I've understood the conversation above correctly, they're paid by the presser, not the distributor, who would presumably be Phonograph (although I suppose they could be a related offshoot)? Also, as posted in previous incarnations of this thread, Barbara Dickson has (last time I looked) information on her site about obtaining this album from MbM. So I presume in this case at least the artist is getting due entitlement.

However, I think I will refrain from buying other albums in the link until the royalty situation is clarified.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,(a different one)
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 10:02 PM

So now we finally have a statement, of sorts, from Dave Bulmer. Whether it's entirely truthful is moot (and it certainly fails to address some very important questions, most particularly whether or not royalties are being paid), but you'll probably have to wait a little while for a response from those of our correspondents who are directly involved. Dick Gaughan doesn't post here, which is a pity as his name is being taken in vain.

Be patient. The people who had their recordings bought from over their heads have had to be.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 09:38 PM

Hasn't things gone quiet?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:17 AM

All the latest on Celtic Music. Problems, what problems!

Celtic Music Records Music Industry Links
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Celtic Music is a record label which started life in late 1978 by releasing a record of "IONA" a band formed by Dave Bulmer, George Ormiston, Gordon Tyrall and Tony Wilson. The label became an extension of C M (Distribution) which had been in existence since 1974. Celtic Music began by issuing a series of four volumes of Irish tunebooks called "Music from Ireland" in 1974. The tunes in these books were initially collected from Irish musicians in Leeds from 1970 onwards by Dave Bulmer and Neil Sharpley and then later from musicians at Fleadh's in Ireland and the UK. These books became highly sought after, as they are today, and became much used throughout the Irish Music world as a teaching aid. Celtic Music began life in the record business selling the Leader /Trailer label alongside the tune books. The distribution of records was very much on a part time basis until the middle 1980's. The Celtic label released a few records throughout the early eighties, but really concentrated on distributing the folk labels which were available for independent distribution in the UK and Eire, in those days Rubber / Gael Linn / Tara / Claddagh /WEA Eire /Topic /Temple etc etc to specialist shops like Cecil Sharpe House, Colletts, and Dobells in London. In those days it was very difficult to find folk records in record shops. The distribution continued throughout the early eighties and, when IONA stopped touring began to widen its scope. In 1983 a visit to Midem (the world trade fair for the record industry) opened up new possibilities. That year CM Distribution was the only folk music distribution company from the UK represented at the event and achieved overseas sales for many of the UK folk labels it distriburted. In 1985 the company released one of the very first compact discs of folk music to be issued in the UK featuring the Albion Band. In 1986 the Distribution company bought its main rival, Making Waves, when it went into liquidation. At about the same time Celtic Music was then offered the chance to buy a number of record labels including Dambuster and Black Crow by their owners. During the late eighties the business grew and several new ventures were entered into with new partners. A studio was established in the late eighties, in Elsdon, Northumberland, with Geoff Heslop, Dick Gaughan, Neil Sharpley, and Dave Bulmer as partners. Many new albums were recorded there. Some of the artists were Celtic based, some were English traditional singers and some were contemporary songwriters. Recording at the studio cumulated in highly acclaimed Clan Alba album. Unfortunately around the mid nineties Geoff Heslop resigned from the partnership. The studio, without a manager, ceased recording any new material.

Among the most successful artists on the labels were The Kipper Family ,then Kathryn Tickell and Dick Gaughan both of the latter achieving "Q Albums of the Year" in the late eighties on the DAMBUSTER /BLACK CROW and CELTIC MUSIC labels respectively.

The distribution company faced a crisis in the late eighties as the vinyl pressing plant, which pressed most of the UK's folk labels, was under threat of closure. If that plant had closed then there was every possibility that many folk labels would end up on the rocks and the distribution of folk records would end up the same way. Finance was raised and C M Distribution bought into the pressing plant. The plant ran successfully, pressing about 3 million records a year, until early into the millennium when financial circumstances forced it to close.

In the early nineties there were many changes in the record industry with the new Compact Disc format taking over. Many record labels that had not pressed the format early on were left with high overheads and virtually no distribution as the major record chains in the country threw out the vinyl format almost overnight for the more profitable compact disc.

This turmoil continued for a number of years and Celtic Music was approached to purchase several other labels including the Leader/Trailer label. This label had been the subject of much discussion throughout the seventies, the eighties and the nineties. The label was sold several times. Firstly in 1982, by its original owner to another folk label, "Highway". Then that company sold the label to another company, "Sureshy" around 1986/7. "Sureshy" held the rights to the label until 1993 when it was purchased by Celtic Music. Celtic Music immediately released several titles on compact disc and has continued to do so as finance allows. Unfortunately several master tapes on the label were either damaged or missing when the catalogue was purchased. Fortunately the technology is now here to help restore these recordings to a satisfactory standard and many more releases are scheduled for the coming years. Nic Jones is one of the most discussed artists on the label but unfortunately his re-releases were held up for a number of years due to disputes over his publishing rights. This has led to much Internet discussion most of which is total speculation on behalf of those taking part.

In the late nineties the custom services division of the vinyl pressing plant experienced a demand for short run compact discs and an on demand system was developed for promotional runs of Recordable Compact Discs. As this technology became more and more reliable it became apparent that it was by far a better and a more reliable method of production for small runs of compact discs. It meant product on demand without the problems associated with pressing. It is the ideal method for a record label with a large back catalogue like Celtic Music. In fact some years after Celtic Music started using CD on demand for some of its back catalogue production a large classical record company, Nimbus, had major articles published in the music trade press stating that CD on demand had given the label a new lease of life, and without the technology most of their catalogue would never have been produced for sale again.

Distribution methods are changing worldwide and the retail sector is suffering from falling sales, which are mainly migrating to the Internet. The recent demise in the UK of Andy's, Our Price,Tower and Coda record chains attest to this. The distribution company continues to service specialist retail outlets and some of the major chains that are interested in selling specialist music. Future sales of specialist back catalogue in general will, in all probability, end up being sold directly from the label or their distributor. With the retail sector only handling major new releases. What goes around, comes around. Its' just like the seventies all over again.

The label is not bankrupt as previous entries on this page suggest.

In fact recordings from Celtic Music's back catalogue will be issued regularly through its various distribution channels for the forseeable future. If anyone wishes to receive any further information please contact the label by email:

celticmusic@northworks.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 04 Mar 05 - 01:27 PM

Guest MM
Why don't you contact Celtic Music directly.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 09:51 AM

GUEST MM
I think a lot of people can't wait to see the results of your investigations.
Good Luck.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Music Mercenary
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 06:39 PM

Just to let whoever's interested know. I've got the MCPS-PRS Alliance investigating Mr. Bulmer.
I'll let you know what they dig up.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: red max
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 04:22 AM

Fair enough. By the way, I need to speak to Pete Coe about another matter, is it worth asking him about any progess with his old albums?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 05:28 PM

I meant Please....Sorry!


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 05:28 PM


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 05:27 PM

Thanks for the thought Red Max. But can we keep this civil plesae.
Ralphie


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:06 PM

The street would be that little bit cleaner, heh!


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 07:00 AM

What good would that do?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: red max
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 05:20 AM

I occasionally pass Mr B's house, and sometimes wonder if I should post a dog turd through the letter box


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 02:00 AM

Great idea MP3 via a "legal" download site. Problem is that there would be figures that could be audited by the artistes involved - and of course there is your problem. Mr B keeps such potentially "expensive" information strictly under wraps. Jesus, it might even mean paying the artistes their due royalties!


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:20 AM

MP3s. Now theres an idea that could make everyone happy. If DB put all the albums he owns onto mp3, released them via a legal download site, we could all get the music we want, he could get the money, and the downloads could be monitored so there would be no problem with accounting.

The more I think about this, the better it sounds.
Any thoughts?
Anyone want to suggest it to him?

LL


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:23 AM

You are absolutely right Nerd, but there is also an issue with "standard" CDs. There is speculation that some of the early ones, especially, can be affected by the same conditions that would degrade a CDR.

LL, the obvious way to back them up is as MP3 files, otherwise you could end up with a storage nightmare. However, you don't get owt for nowt, all those MB/GBs saved must mean some loss of quality, though damned if I can hear it.

Anyway, lets hope GuestMM is successful, although if he is, no doubt Mr B will still be smiling.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Nerd
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 03:45 AM

LL,

yes, any CDR should be backed up if possible.

CDRs do not necessarily have a stick-on label; nowadays there are printers that can print right to the surface of a CDR making the paper label unnecessary.

No, not everything DB releases is a CDR. It's mostly the Leader/Trailer reissues he's put out that are CDRs.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 02:57 AM

Eek
Now I'm a little worried. I have a lot of CDRs in my collection (folk club recordings, etc). Some of these are already quite a few years old. Maybe I should consider backing them up somewhere else as they are irreplacable...Guess this problem could happen to a lot of us.

I'm still a little confused regarding appearance of CDRs though. The Nic Jones CDR doesnt have the blue / geen appearance of other CDRs (nor does it have a stick on label). Flipping the disc over to the playing side, it looks no different from any of the major label CDs in my collection (Van Morrison, Dylan, etc), being silver in appearance and (if tilted to catch the light) showing the area the contains the music and the part that is blank / unburnt.

Taking this back to the thread subject. Is everything that DB releases a CDR? If so, that's potentially a heck of a lot of albums to avoid or buy and then replace.

Cheers
LL


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Nerd
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 01:33 AM

Peter, the key terms are "quality," "should" and "years." No one knows what quality the original medium was when they buy a CDR by mail, so the product may not be a quality CDR. Also, no one knows how long CDRs will last on average because they haven't existed long enough. They "should" last forever, but they won't. So they will last years, but how many? As I have stated, I have had CDRs become unreadable by CD players within three years. So is average shelf-life going to be ten? If so, people should know this before they buy.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:33 PM

CDRs usually have a distinct appearance on the burnt side where the data is stored. I've got some re-issue CDRs originally from vinyl. An LP stored a max of about 45 mins. A CD will hold upwards of 65-80. The data is stored from the centre going out and where the unburnt bit starts (ie where the data ends) is very obvious. If a quality CDR is looked after, ie put in its case and stored at normal temperatures and humidity, it should last years.

Having read this thread, and the others, I hope the CD I bought (No Roses by Shirley Collins and The Albion Country Band) is genuine and that the artists got their royalties. It was ordered through HMV a few years back.

If GuestMM does the trick, there will be smiles a plenty and hopefully would lead to the other affected artists and their followers getting what they deserve.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:04 PM

John/Dita.
Yes I take your point, but hey....It's traditional now!!!
Seriously though, a LOT of people are reading all of this, to keep up to date on the situation. Very few contribute, but, changing the name of the thread might mean that interested readers might miss out on some important info.
Personally, I can't wait for the day when the whole sorry mess has been consigned to the Litter tray of the Cat.
Until then. I think we should keep the title as is.

Good thought though. Regards Ralphie


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