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Winston Gallop

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Subject: Winston Gallop
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 17 Sep 04 - 04:43 PM

Can anyone give me the chords for winston gallop,i looked it up on lyrics and found nothing.
Thanks,
Yas


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Snuffy
Date: 17 Sep 04 - 04:46 PM

You'll have more luck looking for Winster, Yas.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 17 Sep 04 - 04:48 PM

Ok,Snuffy i have another try.
ta,
Yas.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Sep 04 - 04:50 PM

I don't do chords, but it looks a straightforward G Maj progression.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Sep 04 - 04:55 PM

Yep sorcha, it's normally played in G and the G D C mix will sort it out.

G D G C G D G I think for the A part. I think the B is just G and D.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 17 Sep 04 - 04:56 PM

I could'nt find it on Mudcat but i have just been told by phone your right Sorcha it starts with G maj,i am going to try and play it on my psaltery with 2 english concertinas as well.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 17 Sep 04 - 05:02 PM

Ta Jon you have helped me so much without you knowing.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Leadfingers
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 08:11 AM

We do Winster gallop as part of a set , Dorset Four hand Reel , Winster Gallop and Rakes of mallow , all in G .


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 08:22 AM

Glad it helped SD. It's been years since I regularly played melodeon and that tune but like Leadfingers, I used to do it with Rakes of Mallow.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 09:56 AM

Though often played just as a session tune, it is of course part of a living tradition, and has a specific dance associated with it. Winster is in Derbyshire, quite near to Sheffield: http://www.winster.org/morrisdancers.htm


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 10:09 AM

don't forget the Winster Processional - not too dissimilar - not sure which is which. We don't see the Gallop much in ceilidhs these days.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 08:05 PM

Ah yes...Winster. I was there and saw the old market house. Thanks, Duncan and Emma!


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 04:38 AM

A nice tune for dancers but I despair when ever I have to play it. Last night we payed it in a minor key, much nicer!

A tune

Gm D7 Gm Cm Gm D7 Gm

B tune

Gm D7 Gm

I'll leave you to try and adapt the tune to it!


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Snuffy
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:24 PM

Cresby, the Gallop is like Rakes of Mallow, while the Processional is like the Floral/Furry Dance


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:50 PM

I like the idea of Winston Churchill doing this...

Played in minor it sounds all Eastern European or Klezmatic - Johnny Handle likes doing it that way sometimes.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Mr Happy
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 06:09 AM

Is Winster Gallop a derivation/ variation of Rakes of Mallow or vv?

Anyone know which came first?


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Ringer
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 07:12 AM

I was driven to go to Winster last Tuesday evening because the Three Stags at Darley Bridge had no beer (it had only lager!). But the Bowling Green at Winster was shut, so we ended up at the Miners Standard, just outside the village. A Tolly Cobbold beer at 2.8% (1028og in old money); excellent - third time lucky. I can't remember having had so weak a beer since Watney's Starlight days, but Starlight was crap, whereas the Tolly Cobbold was very moreish.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 08:36 AM

I've had stronger shandy than that, that's not beer.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 09:40 AM

Is this it?

One version, at least


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Mr Happy
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 10:25 AM

Is Winster Gallop a derivation/ variation of Rakes of Mallow or vv?

Anyone know which came first?

[please no more beer discussion!]


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 10:30 AM

they are[imo] different tunes.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 11:34 AM

I downloaded them both and played them at the same time, using Noteworthy Composer. There was enough clashing, especially in the B part, to convince me that they are different tunes.

One site said that 'Winster Gallop' is the first session tune we learn. That surprised me, because I know a lot of famous tunes, but I'd never heard of 'Winster Gallop' till today.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Tootler
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 07:17 PM

One site said that 'Winster Gallop' is the first session tune we learn. That surprised me, because I know a lot of famous tunes, but I'd never heard of 'Winster Gallop' till today.

Leeneia, that's because your not in the UK. Over here it is commonly among the first session tunes that are learnt, along with Jamie Allen and Salmon Tails (for me at least). As a result many folk get sniffy if you start it in a session which is a pity because it's a good tune.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Leadfingers
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 05:20 AM

My Oppo Gerry (New Tavern Session , Sidmouth) plays the Minor version SLOWLY then goes into the Major more Up Tempo . Makes a nice 'set'


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 06:06 AM

It all sort of blurs into one - those tunes. Not enough to keep the mind alive for the rhythm guitar.

The three stags heads is a funny place. I remember one time i saw some bottled ale on the shelf, and I said I 'd take a couple of bottles home - turns out they were £8.50 each. Didn't really taste owt special either.

My instinct - if they'd run out of beer would be to snake sideways to the right off that road up to Monsall Head - where they always have really good stuff - draught Guinness, Theakston Old Peculiar on draught and other delights.

And they are quite folk friendly.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Bernard
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 07:23 AM

The Electropathics (Keith Hancock et al) used to do a version in the minor key which they called 'Gadaffi's Gallop'... it's on their 'Batteries Not Included' album, which is still available.

Just thought I'd mention it!


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Mr Happy
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 08:16 AM

Big Al,

The Three Stags at Darley Bridge is near Matlock, not the one I think you're reminded of at Wardlow Mires


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Mr Happy
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 08:18 AM

which is near Cressbrookdale & adjacent to the Monsall trail


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Snuffy
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 07:31 PM

Ringer wrote: Three Stags at Darley Bridge had no beer (it had only lager!)

But the Three Stags Heads at Wardlow Mires hasn't stocked or sold any lager at all for years and years.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Mr Happy
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 03:55 AM

Yes indeed, there's a sign on the bar that says



'Please don't ask for lager unless you want a belt in the gob!!'


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 11:07 AM

Hi, Tootler. Thanks for the musical info. I'm going to see if I can find and learn W. Gallop, Salmon Tails and Jamie Allen.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 03:57 PM

Around North Lincolnshire they're usually played in this order
Jamie Allen Winster Gallop and Salmon Tails up the Water last

Gerry


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Seayaker
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 06:52 PM

Dark Girl Dressed in Blue is another one that goes well with Winster Gallop.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 07:34 PM

We play Winster Gallop, Jamie Allen, Salmon Tails in that order as that's how they were in some tune book. It makes a change from strathspeys and reels up here: we don't get many takers when we invite people to do a Morris dance, but they usually start sort of bouncing on the spot!
BUT Jamie Allen is known up here as The Reel of Tullochgorum: always wondered who or where that was until we passed through ti one day on the road to Inveraray!


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Mr Happy
Date: 20 Apr 12 - 03:42 AM

Around this area - Cheshire & environs, the order of play is Salmon Tails, Jimmy Allen, Winster Gallop; sometimes also followed by Rakes of Mallow


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Tootler
Date: 20 Apr 12 - 07:23 AM

We play it in the order Winster Galop, Jamie Allen, Salmon Tails.

The last two are considered core Northumbrian Tunes a bit further north from me though some think Jamie Allen was originally a Scottish Tune.

Jamie Allen was a real character, though, Northumbrian Piper and small time crook. He used to gather a crowd with his playing then his associates would make their way round the crowd picking their pockets. There is a bar under the end of the Elvet Bridge in Durham which was once a lock up where he was supposed to have been incarcerated at one point.

Leeneia: I have put a recording of them on my Soundcloud site. Played at moderate tempo on anglo concertina


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 20 Apr 12 - 08:37 AM

A couple of pints of the 9% Black Lurcher at the Three Stags Head before you start playing, and Winster Galop will indeed blur into Rakes Of Mallow ...


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Apr 12 - 09:28 AM

yes a weird place.....strangely reminiscent of that pub in An American Werewolf. Skeletons of animals, little stools.....but a bloody nice crowd of folkies.

There was a session at the Derwent Hotel on the other side of Matlock for many years. They all seemed abit posh though, and this bloke used to come in with the elbow pipes and he'd only just bought them - so you could imagine ......I was asked to desist from rolling on the floor laughing one night when another preserver of the tradition character took an extended solo on his ocarina.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 20 Apr 12 - 10:30 AM

Tootler, thanks very much for making the recording on SoundCloud. How nice it is to hear the tunes under discussion.

To my surprise, I have heard all three of those tunes. The first two were played at sessions of Welsh music 1n 1991. I'll have to search my Welsh collection.

The third tune evokes a memory of a man on a recording I own singing "Jennie (or somebody) where's your mammy?" Heaven knows where I'd find it amongst my LP's, tapes and records.   

Thanks again.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 21 Apr 12 - 11:32 AM

Thread drift coming up: listening to Tootler's Soundcloud tracks, and very nice they are too. But another tune that has a different name N of the Border (England/Scotland Border that is!) - Sir John Fenwick's Flower Amang them All = Mary Scott, Flower of Yarrow.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: GUEST,Tootler
Date: 21 Apr 12 - 12:16 PM

When I was looking into the origins of John Fenwick, I found references to that name for the tune and the oldest Northumbrian version is called "The Flower of Yarraw". It's often not clear where some of these tunes originated, especially with tunes from the borders. It is quite possible that both Jamie Allen & John Fenwick originated in Scotland. We'll probably never know for certain.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Amos
Date: 21 Apr 12 - 02:21 PM

Looking at the thread title I thought it might have been about another one of Little Hawk's imaginary playmates, or a 1930's dance step, or perhaps a small village in Surrey somewhere!


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: GUEST,Tootler
Date: 21 Apr 12 - 04:30 PM

Winster is a village in Derbyshire


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Tootler
Date: 21 Apr 12 - 05:31 PM

By the way, Tattie Bogle, thanks for your kind remarks about my playing.

Also, I put a summary of some of what I found out about John Fenwick on my blog Occasional Folk Songs. There is also a link the there to the Farne Website which has more information about the tunes with reference to a number of versions including some called the Flowers of Yarrow or Mary, Flower of Yarrow. Tunes from the borders will have gone back and forth across the border as musicians from both sides of the borders certainly knew each other.

I intended put this on my previous post but I was replying on my phone from my daughter's flat and clever as smart phones are they are not the quickest or easiest to type on.


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Subject: RE: Winston Gallop
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 23 Apr 12 - 04:12 AM

Jamie Allan - his surname always takes an A not E so descendants inform me - was put in Durham Gaol in 1803 for stealing a horse to get home from a session. His sentence of transportation was commuted to life imprisonment on account of his age (74). Allegedly one of the first acts of the Prince Regent - who had heard him play - was to issue a pardon for him, but this only reached Durham after his death in 1810.

His tune has a far less distinguished history. It was "collected" by the Scottish band leader Ian Powrie in the 1950s, was in D and was, as someone has already pointed out "The Reel of Tullochgorum" (not to be confused with other tunes called Tullochgorum).

Whether Ian Powrie actually wrote it is unknown, but it's eminently possible.

It must have come over the border with the Scottish dance bands that frequently played in Northumberland and was borrowed, probably by Jack Armstrong and his Barnstormers, who *probably* were responsible for re-christening it.

Since then it's achieved universal British status - via both Peter Kennedy's tunebooks, and the NPS First tunebook - published 1970.

A list of what Jimmy Allan is likely to have played in his long and varied career as a player of several types of pipes is an entirely different selection of mixed Border, Northumbrian and Scottish tunes.


Paws, who is currently into unexploded myth detonation.


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