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Origins: Work of the Weavers

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THE WORK OF THE LANDLORD
THE WORK OF THE WEAVERS


GUEST 14 Nov 02 - 11:08 AM
GUEST,MC Fat 14 Nov 02 - 11:20 AM
GUEST,Terry 14 Nov 02 - 11:37 AM
IanC 14 Nov 02 - 12:01 PM
GUEST,Terry in Boston 14 Nov 02 - 12:22 PM
GUEST,Don 08 Sep 04 - 10:51 PM
Malcolm Douglas 09 Sep 04 - 12:25 AM
GUEST,Don 17 Sep 04 - 10:31 PM
Jeanie 18 Sep 04 - 03:06 AM
Leadfingers 18 Sep 04 - 06:03 AM
Malcolm Douglas 18 Sep 04 - 10:01 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Work of the Weavers
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 11:08 AM

I would like to perform this tune but am having problems with the Scottish pronounciations. Does anyone know of a translated version?
Lyrics would be great, but if not a list of recordings with Anglisized lyrics would help.

Scottish version here:

http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=7175

Thank you very much.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Work of the Weavers
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 11:20 AM

Heracy !!! Whit's wrang wi singin it in the Scots. Ya sassenach.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Work of the Weavers
From: GUEST,Terry
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 11:37 AM

>Heracy !!! Whit's wrang wi singin it in the Scots. Ya sassenach.

No smiley? Ok then:

Answer-The same problem I would have with singing it in Vietmanese-mispronounciations and the story get's lost on the audience because they can't understand it either.

Terry in Boston


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Subject: ADD Version: Work of the Weavers
From: IanC
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 12:01 PM

Terry

This version, from an Irish Music site, has a more anglicised version.

Hope it's useful.

:-)

The Work Of The Weavers
(Trad)

We're all met together here to sit and to crack
Wi' our glasses in our hands and our work upon our back
There's nae a trade among 'em that can mend or can mak
If it wasn't for the work of the weavers

    If it was not for the weavers, what would you do?
    You wouldn'a hae the clothes that's made of wool
    You wouldn'a hae a coat of the black or the blue
    If it was not for the work of the weavers
There's soldiers and there's sailors and glaziers and all
There's doctors and there's ministers and them that live by law
And our friends in Sooth America, though them we never saw
But we can they wear the work of the weavers
    If it was not for the weavers, what would you do?
    You wouldn'a hae the clothes that's made of wool
    You wouldn'a hae a coat of the black or the blue
    If it was not for the work of the weavers
Though weavin' is a trade that never can fail
As long as we need clothes for to keep another hale
So let us all be merry o'er a bicker of good ale
And we'll drink to the health of the weavers
    If it was not for the weavers, what would you do?
    You wouldn'a hae the clothes that's made of wool
    You wouldn'a hae a coat of the black or the blue
    If it was not for the work of the weavers


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Work of the Weavers
From: GUEST,Terry in Boston
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 12:22 PM

Perfect! Thanks.


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Subject: Info reqd: Origins: Work of the Weavers
From: GUEST,Don
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 10:51 PM

What are the origins of "The Work Of The Weavers". Is it a Yorkshire song? If not, where? How old is it?


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Subject: RE: Info reqd: Origins: Work of the Weavers
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 12:25 AM

I've never seen a suggestion that it was anything other than a Scottish song, the words written by Donald Shaw, a weaver of Forfar with Chartist sympathies who published two collections of poems in the mid 19th century. He died, it appears, in 1856.

The onsite search engine here (you'll see it at the top of every page) will get you various references if you type work of the weavers into it. It's also spelled wark, but that won't much affect search results here.


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Subject: origins: "work of the weavers"
From: GUEST,Don
Date: 17 Sep 04 - 10:31 PM

Where does the FS, "The Work of the Weavers" originate from? Yorkshire? Lancs? East Cheam? And when was it first collected/written etc. Thanking - in anticipation - all you FS experts.


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Subject: RE: origins: work of the weavers
From: Jeanie
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 03:06 AM

According to the book "Victoria's Inferno" edited by Jon Raven, the origin of "The Work of the Weavers" is:

" Text and melody: by David Shaw, a Forfar weaver, composed in the 1840's and sung, with other of his compositions, at trade and Chartist meetings during that period. Printed in 'Vagabond Songs and Ballads of Scotland' by Robert Ford, 1899 and 1901."

All good wishes,
- jeanie


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Subject: RE: origins: work of the weavers
From: Leadfingers
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 06:03 AM

The Weavers was the Folk Club at RAF Steamer Point in Aden in 1967 .


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Subject: RE: origins: work of the weavers
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 18 Sep 04 - 10:01 AM

Your previous thread asking the same question is still here (above), at Info reqd: Origins: Work of the Weavers.


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Subject: RE: origins: work of the weavers
From: GUEST,Don
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 11:04 PM

Thankyou Jeanie for you help.
Don


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Subject: RE: Info reqd: Origins: Work of the Weavers
From: GUEST,Don
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 11:08 PM

Malcolm Douglas,
I missed you reply first time around... Summer sun is beginning to melt the brain..thanks for your help.
Don


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Subject: RE: Origins: Work of the Weavers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Jul 09 - 03:01 PM

The Traditional Ballad Index has pretty good information on the origins of this song. I wonder if we can find an early text. Seems to me that the texts we have, have varying levels of removal of the Scottish accent. It would be good to see an original text.
Here's the Ballad Index entry:

Work of the Weavers, The

DESCRIPTION: Chorus: "If it wasna for the weavers, what wad ye do?... Ye wadna hae a coat o the black or the blue Gin it wasna for the work o the weavers." The verses describe those who insult weavers, and how -- despite this -- they depend on the weavers
AUTHOR: David Shaw
EARLIEST DATE: 1904 (Ford)
KEYWORDS: weaving work
FOUND IN: Britain(Scotland)
REFERENCES (7 citations):
Ford-Vagabond, pp. 200-202, "The Wark o' the Weavers" (1 text)
Greig #42, p. 2, "The Weavers" (1 text)
Ord, p. 391, "The Wark o' the Weavers" (1 text)
MacColl-Shuttle, pp. 10-11, "The Wark o' the Weavers" (1 text, 1 tune)
Silber-FSWB, p. 127, "The Work of the Weavers" (1 text)
DT, WORKWEAV
ADDITIONAL: Jon Raven, _VIctoria's Inferno: Songs of the Old Mills, Mines, Manufacturies, Canals, and Railways_, Roadside Press, 1978, pp. 137-139, "The Wark o' the Weavers" (1 text, 1 tune)

Roud #374
RECORDINGS:
Liam Clancy, "The Weavers" (on IRLClancy01)
The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem, "The Work of the Weavers" (on IRClancyMakem02)

NOTES: The words of this song were published by David Shaw (died 1856). I don't know where the tune came from. - RBW
Last updated in version 3.1
File: FSWB127

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Here are the lyrics we have in the Digital Tradition Folk Song Database, which attributes the song to David Shaw*.

THE WORK OF THE WEAVERS
(David Shaw)

We are all met together here to sit and to crack
With our glasses in our hands and our work upon our backs
And there's not a trade among them all can neither mend nor mak
Gin it wasna for the work of the weavers

If it wasna for the weavers, what would you do
You wouldna hae cloth that's made o wool
Ye wouldna hae a coat neither black nor the blue
Gin it wasna for the work o the the weavers

The hireman chiels, they mock us and crack aye aboots
They say that we are thin faced, bleached like cloots
But yet for all their mockery, they canna do wi oots
No they canna want the work o the weavers

There's our rights and our slaters and glaziers and a'
Our doctors and ministers and them that live by law
And our friends in South America, tho them we never saw
But we know they wear the work of the weavers

There's our sailors and our soldiers, we know they're all bauld
But if they hadna clothes, faith they couldna live for cauld
The high and low, the rich and poor, a'body young and auld
They widna want the work o the weavers

There's folk that's independent of other tradesman work
The women need no barbers and dykers need no clerk
But none o them can do wi out a coat or a shirt
No, they canna want the work o the weavers

The weaving is a trade that never can fail
As longs we need a cloth to keep another hale
So let us aye be merry over a bicket of good ale
And drink a health to the weavers

Recorded by MacColl, Ray Fischer, the Corries and many others
@work @clothes @Scottish
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*Post from Jeanine above says: "Text and melody: by David Shaw, a Forfar weaver, composed in the 1840's and sung, with other of his compositions, at trade and Chartist meetings during that period. Printed in 'Vagabond Songs and Ballads of Scotland' by Robert Ford, 1899 and 1901."


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