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BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?

GUEST,Musket 15 Jan 14 - 02:31 AM
GUEST,stacey burling 14 Jan 14 - 10:35 PM
Lighter 24 Sep 04 - 03:26 PM
GUEST,Raymond Brown 24 Sep 04 - 10:38 AM
Tweed 24 Sep 04 - 09:41 AM
GUEST,Bean-Fidhleir 23 Sep 04 - 07:54 PM
Kim C 23 Sep 04 - 11:13 AM
Dave Bryant 23 Sep 04 - 10:53 AM
GUEST,Grail Historian 22 Sep 04 - 05:50 PM
Sttaw Legend 22 Sep 04 - 11:35 AM
GUEST,Lighter at work 22 Sep 04 - 11:27 AM
GUEST,Lighter at work 22 Sep 04 - 11:25 AM
Pied Piper 22 Sep 04 - 10:55 AM
GUEST,Lighter at work 22 Sep 04 - 10:22 AM
Mrs_Annie 22 Sep 04 - 09:46 AM
Sttaw Legend 22 Sep 04 - 07:54 AM
GUEST,Keith A o Hertford 22 Sep 04 - 07:47 AM
GUEST,Keith A at work. 22 Sep 04 - 07:19 AM
Pied Piper 22 Sep 04 - 06:51 AM
GUEST,Mingulay 22 Sep 04 - 06:38 AM
Fibula Mattock 22 Sep 04 - 06:07 AM
mooman 22 Sep 04 - 05:36 AM
Fibula Mattock 22 Sep 04 - 05:34 AM
GUEST,Raymond Brown at the Mercury 22 Sep 04 - 05:24 AM
Cluin 21 Sep 04 - 08:56 PM
Keith A of Hertford 21 Sep 04 - 03:09 PM
GUEST,lucia 21 Sep 04 - 08:09 AM
leeneia 20 Sep 04 - 11:11 PM
The Fooles Troupe 20 Sep 04 - 10:16 PM
Cluin 20 Sep 04 - 04:46 PM
leeneia 20 Sep 04 - 04:17 PM
Lighter 20 Sep 04 - 11:52 AM
Les from Hull 20 Sep 04 - 11:11 AM
Sttaw Legend 20 Sep 04 - 03:37 AM
The Fooles Troupe 20 Sep 04 - 01:58 AM
Les from Hull 19 Sep 04 - 06:23 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 02:31 AM

I don't know about holy grail, but we seem to have found holier than thou in Hertford.

Eh Keith?


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,stacey burling
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 10:35 PM

I am sb from hertford and am in touch with the unconcious part of my brain like lucido DrEaMs and predictions and wishes coming true always. Slap Born with acata going through my hands and wrists. I think the holly grail Is the 3rd coming i belive there jaming in hertford. Big up d hertford massive LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:26 PM

"The Da Vinci Code" is partially inspired by the 20-year old book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," by Michael Baigent, which is back in print. They call it "nonfiction," but I wouldn't go quite so far.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Raymond Brown
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:38 AM

I would love to plug your gigs Kieth
call me at the Mercury on 01992 526 640.
I am away until Oct 1 but would love to chat
same goes for the royston cave - please call me when I get back.
great forum


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Tweed
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:41 AM

I am not a smart man, by any means, but I allus thought the Grail were the blood line obv Christ and not a cup at all. Last I heared they was a fellow living in France who wabz descended from the Merivingians. That theory makes more sense to me az I don't figure the Templars would waste all thar time chasing and guarding a cup.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Bean-Fidhleir
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 07:54 PM

Then there's the theory that, since the term 'Holy Grail' is a translation from French 'Sanct Graal', it actually started out as 'Sangue Royalle' (or similar) and hasn't anything to do with tableware. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Kim C
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 11:13 AM

Da Vinci Code = novel = FICTION


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 10:53 AM

If the grail is found in Hertfordshire, I hope it'll be full of McMullen's AK !


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Grail Historian
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 05:50 PM

The message from "Raymond Brown at the Mercury" sounds ominous:

"More will be revealed in the hunt for the Grail in forthcoming articles in the Mercury..."

More clues to the whereabouts of the Grail perhaps? I guess if it exists it had to be found sooner or later.

I would like to hear more about what the Illuminati and the Knights Templar have to do with all of this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 11:35 AM

"sheela-na-gig" I'm surprised she didn't get any more gigs with an act like that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Lighter at work
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 11:27 AM

What the....?! I seen 'em, I tells ya! Elephants on the Cauldron!!! It's Elephant-gate! Elephant-gate!


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Lighter at work
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 11:25 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 10:55 AM

Great site Annie, I think it's a bit like when you see pictures of the Gundestrup Cauldron in books about Celtic mythology, they never show you the panel with the Elephant.

TTFN
PP


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Lighter at work
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 10:22 AM

Mrs. Annie, kool kave, kool site! A sheela-na-gig.ORG!!
Who'd-a-thunk-it??


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Mrs_Annie
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 09:46 AM

Nobody EVER mentions the sheela-na-gig which is also in the Royston Cave (doesn't fit in with their theories). More info see sheelanagig.org

(yes! I made a blue clicky!)

Annie (born and still living in Royston)


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 07:54 AM

AND

harriWattsband at Oddfellows Arms Beverley this Friday and its free


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Keith A o Hertford
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 07:47 AM

Raymond Brown, as we are plugging your paper, perhaps you could plug some of our venues.
Every Monday The Black Horse
First and third Wednesday, The Millstream
Third Sunday afternoon, The White Horse
First Thursday, The Great Eastern
Second Tuesday, The Bell, Benington,
These are all free, and all welcome to listen, join in or perform.
Keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Keith A at work.
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 07:19 AM

Aftre two flippant posts I would say that there are several old Templar sites in the area, and Hertford was a centre of activity. Templars were imprisoned in Hertford Castle when the movement was proscribed.
That activity here persists into modern times could suggest a physical link in the area. The Templars were once the wealthiest organisation in Christendom, and the treasure disappeared with them when they went underground.
Who knows?
Hertford also has a unique network of underground tunnels linking many old buildings incuding the castle.
Keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 06:51 AM

Unlikely, as the Flesh blood/Bread Wine simbolism was retoengineered from Mithraism, along with the 25th of December, Mythical birth, shepheards and many other things.

PP


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 06:38 AM

I could never get through a whole PhD on my own especially if it is deep pan. Bit like the Irish pizza - would you like it cut into 4 or 6 pieces, make it 4 I couldn't eat 6!

So, how big is this pi that's hidden in the Great Pyramid and what filling is it? Hope it wasn't found anywhere the pet crem on the way to Duxford.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 06:07 AM

Or two in your case, Richard! ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: mooman
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 05:36 AM

Which of course you need a PhD to get through Kate! (;>)

Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 05:34 AM

It's in a warehouse in DC 'cos Indiana Jones put it there, aided by Mulder and Scully. Interestingly, its catalogue number is pi times the circumference of the Great Pyramid divided by thirteen...

Best bit of reading on these matters? Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Raymond Brown at the Mercury
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 05:24 AM

More will be revealed in the hunt for the Grail in forthcoming articles in the Mercury...


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Cluin
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 08:56 PM

Thanks for being more irrational than me, leeneia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 03:09 PM

The Millstream, Hertford served my beer in a mug just like that!
And there's a singaround there tomorow too.
See Jacqui, Lanfranc and gain eternal youth. Should be a good night!
Keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,lucia
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 08:09 AM

What? Somebody found a pre-war Martin in a cave in England?


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 11:11 PM

Cluin, would you please try to be rational? If a time-travelling collector went back and snagged the Holy Grail, leaving a cheap knock-off in its place, then when the collector returned to the present, the Grail would be hereandnow, perhaps in a cave in Hertfordshire, perhaps in a flea market somewhere.

With or without the time-travelling collector, the result is the same.

If the Grail was made of meteoric iron, it would surely have rusted away by now.   But suppose it was a carbonaceous chondrite. Everybody start combing the flea markets for wine glasses that look like stoneware with black nodules.

I can hardly wait to see what they say on The Antiques Road Show.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 10:16 PM

My Barbeque is a Holey Grill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Cluin
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:46 PM

All of these artifacts were stolen by time-travelling collectors many years ago. The replacements left were cheap (in the future) knock off replicas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:17 PM

I remember reading a scholarly work which said that originally the Grail had nothing to do with Christ or the Last Supper. It was said to have fallen from the sky, sent by "angels in Anjou."

I suspect it was a cup made from meteoric iron. Like swords from the same source, it was thought magical.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Lighter
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 11:52 AM

Long ago I read a horror novel about the Holy Grail. It turns out to be REALLY EVIL. Anyhoo, at one point the hero says (I'm paraphrasing of course): "I've spent a month studying the Grail. I've read everything ever written about it."

Now THAT'S speed reading!


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 11:11 AM

Yes I have the Original Holey Grill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 03:37 AM

Les, have you got any front grills for a Morris Traveller?


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 01:58 AM

Each one guaranteed as the original, Les?

I wouldn't want to be conned into buying a fake you know!

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:23 PM

I still have plenty of Grails left. They're £350 each, 3 for £1000. I'll only sell them to true believers, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 12:26 PM

I promise you -- even if they found it, all it would do is sit on a shhelf looking odd and taking up space.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 12:16 PM

Because of its Grail myths, Montsegur became the focus of Nazi archeological expeditions by the Ahnenerbe ("Ancestral Heritage Society") -- a criminal agency of Heinrich Himmler's notorious SS dedicated to identifying past Aryan links with modern Germany through archeology and anthropology. It was the Ahnenerbe which collected skeletons and skulls of concentration camp prisoners specially selected and carefully killed as specimens.

Montsegur was brought to the attention of the Nazi's by Otto Rahn who explored the ruins of Montsegur in 1929 and went on to write two popular Grail novels linking Montsegur and Cathars with the Holy Grail: Kreuzzug gegen den Gral ("Crusade Against the Grail") in 1933 and Luzifers Hofgesinf ("Lucifer's Court") in 1937.   

If you want to read more: http://www.russianbooks.org/montsegur/montsegur4.htm

I don't think they found it so it could well be in Hertfordshire.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,Cod Fiddler (at work)
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 10:56 AM

Actually, a Grail was found at Hawkstone Park in Shropshire and King Arthur is thought to be buried in Baschurch and Robin Hood, who is linked to the story, comes from Alberbury near Shrewsbury. Read it all in the not-particularly-academic-but-remarkably-believable-and-entertaining book The Seach For the Grail. Details below.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/yvan.cartwright/books/grail.htm

I intend to write a very learned work proving that King Arthur did, in fact, come from Hull.

Richard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 10:28 AM

Maybe there's about to be a fourth book released in "The Illuminati Triology"? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,John
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 08:42 AM

What about this part? It's easy to dismiss out of hand, but could there be some truth in it?

"The Mercury can exclusively reveal that it will claim the mysterious sect, the Illuminati, rumoured to involve bankers, power brokers and politicians, may have an underground base in the town."

http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/mercury/news/story.asp?id=152654

http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=0143


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 08:01 AM

Graildroolers can't clog up Herts. It would violate the PELs thing. They'll simply have to be turned back.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST,John
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 07:49 AM

What shall we make about this suggestion that the Grail, whatever it may be, could be in Hertfordshire? Or that the Knights Templar are still active in the area operating in the form of a secret society?


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: sledge
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 05:20 AM

Its certainly a fascinating subject, but not one in which I have too much faith. I always thought that the Grail was not mentioned until the emergence of the various Grail romances in the early medieval period. Even now they make great reading I reckon.

Cheers

Sledge


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 05:13 AM

I always knew that Hertford was the true centre of the universe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 05:00 AM

I should have known someone would ask that! It comes from a study I did of the history of that area of the world in that period...but I did that in my early twenties so cannot remember the scource. It might be a good exercise GUEST for you to do your own study and prove me wrong rather than for me to go back and research again. How about it?
Foolestroupe....Your point noted about social classes but as I remember it..only the Scribes/Pharisees/Royalty had metal goods on their tables. I accept that a metal object could have been borrowed, as you put it but it would not really fit in with practices of the times.
Please remember that this is from memory(30yrs ago) and not QED
Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 04:51 AM

Hollywood, that great source of inspiration for many Historical Recreationists, including the SCA.

It's a guess that someone 'allegedly' from a lower socio-economic class would use such an item - but it could equally have been a metal object loaned from someone else.

And 'The Grail' as documented in historical literature was not originally a cup, but a plate.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Interestingly, my spell checker wants to substitute "Staffordshire" for "Hertfordshire" .... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 04:45 AM

It's in the museum in Hull, but don't tell anyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 04:43 AM

How or from whence did you ascertain this "fact" about the Grail??


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Subject: RE: BS: Holy Grail found in Hertfordshire?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 04:37 AM

In consideration of the fact that the Holy Grail was either made of wood or clay..could it have survived..unattended for over 2000 yrs?.
IMO it either no longer exists or has been carefully attended for the whole or most of that time, in which cae someone or some people actually KNOW where it is but will never divulge it.
Best wishes.


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