BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?

Subject: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 02:39 PM

Or will they, for the first time in decades, take responsibility for the legitimate electoral loss to Bush/Cheney?

I'm going to make a wild guess that they'll play the blame game, with all the fingers pointing wildly in every direction of the electorate--but no fingers pointing back at themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,Col. Bleep
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 03:21 PM

They will blame Amos.

Bobert, also.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Peace
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 03:28 PM

They will blame Goralden Schnepswacker.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 03:30 PM

They will blame it on the boogie.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 03:32 PM

Martin Gibson or the Shambles, I would guess.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 03:37 PM

I don't care if they blame me.

I never signed up to campaign for him.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: mg
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 03:44 PM

Do all of the democrats want Kerry to win or do they have other plans for 2008? I surely hope not....mg

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 03:50 PM

Hmmmm...so the Dems won't blame Kerry?

I know they'll blame Swift Boat Vets, the media, Nader, and probably cast a lot of aspersions towards Dean to begin innoculating the party against Dean running again in 2008.

Don't know if Edwards will be able to redeem himself, though. I mean, whatever happened to Lloyd Bentsen?

Kerry is starting to look, walk, and talk more like Bob Dole all the time, isn't he? Odd how that works.

BTW, Nader is now regularly predicting on the campaign trail that Kerry will lose by such large margins, that nobody will realistically be able to blame his candidacy. The real reason for Kerry losing, according to Nader, is the Democratic Leadership Council/Kerry campaign/Terry McAuliffe strategy of ignoring and failing to register minority voters, especially the 9 million African American voters who would easily put Kerry over the top if the party and the campaign had bothered to bring anybody on board from that community to get black voters mobilized.

BTW, most black Democratic party activists agree with Nader's assessment of Kerry losing by a large margin for his failure to address the concerns of the ever-loyal to the Dems black voters.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Peace
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 04:04 PM

I say again, they will blame Goralden Schnepswacker.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 04:17 PM

While Kerry isn't in danger of losing the traditional black voter to another candidate, he is bleeding under-30 voters of all races to Nader. Nader now stands at just over 11% of all likely voters under 30, and his numbers are growing, while Kerry's are plummeting. Among the under-30s, it seems, they will either switch to Nader, or not vote at all.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Peace
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 04:38 PM

I don't agree with that assessment, Guest. Traditionally, polls have bounced around like crazy as elections approach. I am guessing that in this election, many of the 11% you referred to will actually go to the polls and p[ut their mark beside Kerry's name. They may not like it but they will do it. This particular election is quite different from so many others, and I hope a majority of the American people see that come election day.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 04:47 PM

The youth vote is more volatile, but that is among the undecided youth voters. Bush's youth voters don't suggest to pollsters they will switch under any circumstances, so his youth bloc is solid, as one would expect from such a demographically narrow (ie white, Christian, middle and upper class), ideologically driven group of all ages.

Kerry still has a majority of the youth vote, but his numbers among them has dropped over 10% over summer, including during and immediately after the DNC. While Nader has picked up a good number of them, most have told pollsters that if they don't vote for Kerry or Nader, they will just sit out the election. That is what Kerry's biggest problem is now. Expectations for Kerry to win among youth and minority voters has reached an all time low in the last two weeks.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 05:17 PM

Goralden Schnepswacker is my best guess too.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 05:26 PM

Well, what do you expect when your Berry Kerry man supported the Patriot Act, voted for Antonin Scalia's confirmation to the Supremes, and supported the Clinton positions on welfare sluts and Rwandan genocide, hmmmmmmm?

Of course Golden Goralden looks better!

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:16 PM

We'll blame the stupid, and name the greedy
Misinformation, but never the needy
We'll sadly surmise that we should have done more
With those 'Fifty ways to show Bush the door'

We'll blame ourseves, and then shed a tear
For thousands are dieing, yes more every year
We'll review the facts, and post more reports
that prove we were right to make leftist retorts

We'll mention up diebold and their guarentees
To reelect Bush's bold mis-certanties
And then with a righteousness over the top
We'll look to the men who were in with his pop

Entrenchments of Fortune's Five hundred old men
Will stand to be counted and we'll count them again
For those who vote early, vote often, it's said
And lucky for them... are americans well fed

But the blame game's a lane change from where we are now
And with Rush hour traffic no signal's allowed
Remember, now bushies... no chickens have hatched
And fowl are the odorous lame ducks that snatched...

Entirely blameless, we're sitting this out
So those who speak loudest conspire with doubt
Succinctly and silent in thought and intent
We'll win in the end, when the votes are well spent.
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:27 PM

Going to depend on how he loses, init?

clint

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Peace
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 06:54 PM

Thing is, Kerry ain't gonna lose.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: pdq
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 07:32 PM

There must be a pony around here somewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: kendall
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 07:47 PM

If the republicans steal it again by cutting out great numbers of black voters I will blame them. If not, I will blame the democrats for running Kerry in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 07:47 PM

Well, Kerry will loose and when ya' throw in the Nadar vores he will still loose. Why?

Why vote for BushLite when you can have the real thing. That's why Kerry can't even keep his "base" energized. Bush's base is highly energized. Heck with thiese swing voters. They really don't have the numbers to throw an election if one party's base decides to not vote at all... That's what going to happen in November. The Dems aren't even going to show...

But, hey, if you want to blame me, fine. Knock yerseff's out but I blame Kerry, the DNC which did the nice hatcet job on Howard Dean and the Republicans who know what the heck they believe in...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,Jaze
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 07:55 PM

And who will Bush/Cheney blame when they lose? They, too, will do the same thing. So what's the difference?

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 08:02 PM

They won't lose and they gotta a enuff lawyers and goons ready to spring into action should it take that...

Guarenteed...

These boys play hardball real well...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 08:09 PM

Put it on the ground,
Spread it all around,
Dig it with a hoe,
It will make your flowers go!

Go do some Get Out The Vote calling and less bellyaching.

It ain't over till it's over.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Peace
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 08:09 PM

Goralden Schnepswacker for President

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Sorcha
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 08:11 PM

They'll blame Guest. It's all his fault. All of it.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 10:35 PM

As a classic "Have you stopped beating your wife?" thread, this is clearly also a great thread for snubbing a troll. I'm sure the troll can carry on a wonderful soliloquoy all by itself. Right, troll?

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 11:38 PM

LOL. Doesn't appear that you are real good at snubbing either, Ron D!

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Nerd
Date: 19 Sep 04 - 11:40 PM

When GUEST finally stops bashing Kerry in a silly knee-jerk manner, whom will Kerry thank?

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 01:27 AM

Certainly, the Democrats had every right in 2000 to blame somebody for their loss. If Nader hadn't run, Gore would be President. If Jeb & Co. hadn't messed with voter registration and ballots in Florida, Gore would be President.

I can't recall another Democratic loss in my lifetime when the Democrats placed serious blame on anyone. But in 2000, Gore should have won. Even despite Nader and the Florida vote fraud, he got more votes than any other candidate.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 02:26 AM

Here we have one character spewing guff and not-even-half-truths about his "reasons' for attacking a nation which was no kind of threat to America, and a challenger who sees merit in playing up his part in a campaign against another nation which had no designs whatsoever against the U.S.of A. Talk about "Hobson's Choice"? I'm truly sorry for the American people--=-those who can actually see that both options are seriously flawed, anyway. The only [ and very important ] difference between the options is the fact that national vote for Kerry would see the demise of the most dangerous presidential retinue ever to have fouled the reputation of America.
I can't imagine a different president being able to find a bunch quite as base. Who to blame if Bush really wins it this time? Who else can be blamed than the many American citizens who will have voted for him in spite of knowing the character of the man and his crew?

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,MarkS
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 08:07 AM

Lets put this thread on hold till the fat lady actually sings in November. Maybe it wont be needed.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 08:27 AM

Apparently, none of you frequent any Dem party grassroots chat forums, where the talk is already decidedly tilted towards 2008...

As Nader has noted, there are a potential 9 million black voters that need registering that the Democratic party is ignoring. So far, no one but Nader and African American Democrats have had the guts to come out and say this publicly to the media.

I guess if Kerry doesn't really NEED a guaranteed 9 million votes...

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: kendall
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 10:07 AM

It's pretty damn sad to think that Bush and Kerry are the best we can put up for the most powerful office in the world. No matter who wins, we get what we deserve.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 02:07 PM

I already blame the dems for running such a poor candidate, IMO - a man who is wooden, out of touch with ordinary people, and lacks charisma. Those are not characteristics that I seek in a candidate, but they are the characteristics that the electorate want, and in order to get rid of Bush (the most important goal), the Dems should have run someone who would fit the electorate's tastes.

I absolutely agree with Kendall's 10:07 post -- but with one caveat: if the US re-elects (or if Diebold re-selects) Bush, the US is doomed. It is going down anyway, as have all major powers throughout history (China next!), but Bush will cause the decline to accelerate radically.

IMO of course!

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 20 Sep 04 - 04:01 PM

The race ain't over.   45 days is an eternity and anything can happen.   Look what happened in Spain with a 10% reversal in a week.

That being said, it looks like they are setting up the fall guy to be Bob Shrumm- the campaign manager.    Already the media is questioning his strategy of not responding to the Swift Boats, and other questionable calls.   Of course, if Kerry wins Shrumm will be a hero.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: freda underhill
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 10:21 AM

RESUME : GEORGE W. BUSH

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20520

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:
Law Enforcement:
I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the
influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost"
and
is not available.

Military:
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take
a
drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the
Texas
Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

College:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a
cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business
in
Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any
oil
in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
I
bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took
land
using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the
oil
industry
(including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
- I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies,
making
Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston
replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

- I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions
in
borrowed money.

- I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American
history.

- With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's
appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by
over
500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
- I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a
criminal
record.

- I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one
billion dollars per week.

- I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S.
Treasury.

- I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S.
history.

- I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any
12-month period.

- I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

- I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the
U.S.
stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost
their jobs and that trend continues every month.

- I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any
administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza
Rice,
has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

- I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S.
President.

- I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most
corporate campaign donations.

- My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends,
Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in
U.S.
History, Enron.

- My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to
assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election
decision.

- I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against
investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent
investigating
the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the
biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest
energy
crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption
involving
the oil industry was revealed.

- I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

- I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded
government contracts.

- I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any
President
in U.S. history.

- I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy
in
the history of the United States government.

- I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S.
history.

- I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations
remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

- I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

- I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. "prisoners of war"
detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

- I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election
inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

- I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any
President
since the advent of television.

- I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year
period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over
the
worst security failure in U.S. history.

- I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade
Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated
country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world
history.

- I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people),
shattering
the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

- I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I
did
so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
citizens,
and the world community.

- I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in
duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime.

- In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for
attacking
Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

- I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans
(71%)
view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

- I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a
WMD.

- I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to
justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
-All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's
library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

- All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my
bankrupt
companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

- All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-president,
attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and
unavailable for public review.

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004!

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 12:41 PM

Freda, you have way too much time on your hands.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 12:57 PM

Yeh, well whatever... You are just obscuring the issues, Foolstroupe... :^)

The REAL question for the American public is...

"Who would you rather have a beer with?"
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: M.Ted
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 01:07 PM

Sad to say, Freda, those are his "achievements"--and you, Martin, are a fine one to talk about antbody having too much time on their hands--

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: M.Ted
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 01:49 PM

That should be "anybody"--

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 01:55 PM

Once again your needs for simple answers to complex problems, coupled with a complete lack of understanding of the complexities of the electoral process, have you all going down the wrong path. And once again, I will attempt to straighten you out, though I must admit to tiring of this.

It all comes down to two factors:

First, unnamed GUESTS who support Nader surely must shoulder the blame. I mean, they are responsible for most of the ills of our world and why should this be any different.

Second, I believe Goralden Schnepswacker, must accept a portion of the blame. While not a vile, nameless, GUEST, he is most certainly drawing votes away from the legitimate candidate.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Nerd
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 03:21 PM

I move he be summarily schnepswacked!

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 04:54 PM

they will rightly blame all the assholes that vote for Bush.
people voted for Hitler, don't forget

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 05:43 PM

And Ronald Reagan, and Richard Nixon, and Bush I...

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Amos
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 11:38 PM

The NY Times has this to say:

Talking Sense, at Last, on Iraq
    The New York Times | Editorial

      Tuesday 21 September 2004

      After weeks of politically damaging delay, John Kerry finally seems to
have found his voice on what ought to be the central issue of this year's
election: the mismanaged war in Iraq and how to bring it to an acceptable
conclusion. It was none too soon. While the fate of the Iraqi people, the
success of the war on terrorism and America's international standing have
all been teetering ominously in the balance, Mr. Kerry has allowed the
presidential campaign to veer off into squabbles about events long past -
like the candidates' 30-year-old war records - and about Mr. Kerry's
confusing and sometimes contradictory recent statements on foreign policy.

      Speaking in New York yesterday, Mr. Kerry laid out a well-grounded,
intellectually straightforward and powerful critique of the Bush
administration's past mistakes in Iraq. He gave a coherent explanation for
his vote two years ago to authorize President Bush to use military force,
making a clear distinction between how the White House should have used that
authority to maximize international pressure against Saddam Hussein and the
self-isolating course it actually followed. And, for the first time since
becoming a presidential nominee, he explicitly said that he would never have
supported the invasion of an Iraq that did not possess weapons of mass
destruction.

      Even more important, he linked his criticisms to a set of alternative
policies, which, while not entirely new to those who have closely followed
his campaign statements, offer the best chance for retrieving a situation
that daily grows more dangerous for Iraqis, Americans and a volatile region.
As Mr. Kerry correctly noted, "We have traded a dictator for a chaos that
has left America less secure."

      This should signal the start of the kind of serious and useful debate
the American people deserve. Unfortunately, Mr. Bush still declines to even
acknowledge the disastrous condition the war has fallen into, preferring
simply to assert over and over that the course there is now firmly set for a
democratic and stable future. Democrats who question these Pollyannaish
projections are almost instantly slapped down as unpatriotic under miners of
military morale.

      That was the president's reflexive response to Mr. Kerry yesterday,
coupled with the preposterous claim that Mr. Kerry's plan for a much more
broadly internationalized effort is no different from the administration's
own American-fought, American-paid-for and American-directed approach. It is
encouraging to see that Republican foreign policy heavyweights like Senators
Chuck Hagel, Richard Lugar and John McCain are now also asking tough
questions about the way the war is going. It is surely no service to
America's brave fighting men and women, who know firsthand what they are
facing, for Mr. Bush to pretend otherwise and to refuse to consider policy
changes that might help them prevail and come home.

      Turning things around at this late date will not be easy, but the
president could make a beginning today, when he addresses an audience of
world leaders at the United Nations. Mr. Kerry set the stage when he urged
Mr. Bush to convene a summit meeting of those leaders to build a truly
international effort to protect the elections, train Iraqi security forces
and create a broader-based, more effective reconstruction effort.

      Perhaps the presidential campaign is finally under way.
--

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 06:54 PM

Where is Joe Offer when you need him?

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Chris Green
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 07:21 PM

Themselves, hopefully. Their fault for for putting up a candidate who resembles their mascot....

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 07:50 PM

I think (and in spite of my "vote" in another thread) Kerry was a good (or one of the better) candidate - I just preferred someone elses writing of a statement hopefully, the dems and rest of the world will blame Americans. Sorry but on the balance, particularly with Bush and the Iraq issue, that is the way it seems to me.

The other side to the opinion I express is that we had for example an American visitor this year for about 3 days who's company was enjoyed by all here and would be welcome to return any time for another trip.

I'm expressing things badly but I want to stress there are Americans I have met and care much for. The point I'm trying to make is that some, perhaps a majority of the rest of the world and if Bush gets will wind up in alienating the US from much of the world - and even with thier might, I doubt they can afford to cross that line. If the US continues to want to commit thir methods towards gaining trade advantages like Iraq for oil, there will come a time - perhaps even 50 years from now that the rest of the world will find themselves forced to club together and fight. No one lies down to be bullied all the while.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 03:48 AM

The Secret Service has announced it is doubling its protection for John
Kerry. You can understand why - with two positions on every issue, he has
twice as many people mad at him." -Jay Leno


"We make jokes about it but the truth is this presidential election really
offers us a choice of two well-informed opposing positions on every issue.
OK, they both belong to John Kerry, but they're still there" -Jay Leno


"President Bush listed his income as $822,000. You know what John Kerry
calls someone who earns $822,000? Not even worth dating." -Jay Leno


"Well the good news for Democrats, now over half the country can identify
a picture of John Kerry. The bad news, the majority still thinks he's the
dad from The Munsters."   -Jay Leno


"John Kerry accused President Bush of catering to the rich. You know, as
opposed to John Kerry who just marries them." -Jay Leno


"They say John Kerry is the first Democratic presidential candidate in
history to raise $50 million in a three-month period. Actually, that's
nothing. He once raised $500 million with two words: 'I do.'" -Jay Leno

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: RichM
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 09:48 AM

One rich man (JayLeno) criticizing another rich man....

That's rich!

Rich(in name only)

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Nerd
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 12:15 PM

Yeah, this is Jay Leno who collects airport hangars full of classic automobiles for a hobby!

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 05:07 PM

For someone as supposedly rich as Leno is, he sure takes cheap shots.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 07:06 PM

Unlike freda underhill and most of those posting here...

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 09:02 PM

I will blame Bearded Bruce, just for fun. :-) Seriously, man, get a real hobby! You're losing a valuable piece of your life to this useless partisan BS...

Both of those political parties are as dishonest, corrupt, and useless as the issue of a drunken hog crossbred with a Schenectady divorce lawyer.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,!?!?!
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:50 AM

"Unlike freda underhill and most of those posting here..."

bb, you are NOT her intellectual equal. On a bad day she could run rings around you, so watch yourself, fellow. If she so decides, you will be sliced and diced. However, she may prefer to consider the source and let it go; see it as a mental spasming on your part. I hope so for you.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 01:42 AM

I was commenting on the cheap shots. Or are they only cheap shots when you support the target?

GUEST,!?!?! -

In the words of the Democratic candidate's wife, "Shove it!"

I have not challanged anyone's intelligence or competence- I do say, IMO, that the comments posted have been cheap shots at Bush. It seems a little hypocritical to complain about Leno's statements- at least they are all true.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: freda underhill
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 02:10 AM

nah, my shots are pretty cheap, i admit it!


that evil cheapskate freda underhill...

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: freda underhill
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 02:51 AM

ps GUEST,!?!?! - pm me if you're over 45 and under 105...

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,!?!?!
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:35 AM

BB says to me, 'In the words of the Democratic candidate's wife, "Shove it!"'

Freda says to me, "ps GUEST,!?!?! - pm me if you're over 45 and under 105..."

I rest my case.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: GUEST,Larry k
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:57 AM

I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him.

PS- My cousin sent me that humour file that Freda posted months ago.   It missed that he traded Sammy Sosa when he owned the texas rangers.   I consider that the biggest mistake of all the items stated in that resume.   Any one who takes that resume as more than a humor file is a moron or a brain dead partisan.   If we want a serious discussion we need to move past the hit pieces from either side.

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:43 PM

"Kerry says that Bush is incompetent. Bush says Kerry can't make up his mind. The funny thing is that they are both right." Jay Leno, September 23, 2004

Subject: RE: BS: When Kerry loses who will Dems blame?
From: Genie
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 09:42 AM

IF Kerry loses, there will be one main culprit -- maybe two.

The second one is the paper-trail-free, unverifiable electronic voting machines.   Jeb Bush's Florida machine is very likely to siphon off some of Kerry's votes and switch them to Nader. That's why they've fought so hard to get Nader on the Florida ballot. Ohio and Florida are both in danger of "going for" Bush officially even if the majority of their voters vote for Kerry.

The biggest problem, of course, is the media -- radio and TV in particular. Radio talk shows are horrendously lopsided, with about 90 percent having a blatantly right-wing bias and many of them quite unfettered by any concern for factual accuracy.
TV "news," by contrast is mainly superficial and lame. They treat the upcoming election as just another horse race and seldom do the important job of investigative reporting or of correcting factual inaccuracies spouted by either party.
TV "news" is more likely to parrot and perpetuate campaign lies and distortions than to hold them up to the light for examination.
The public is NOT getting to hear the views and plans of ANY candidates via the TV news media.   All they hear is a handful of soundbites.

I wish the mainstream media could bring themselves to present what the candidates are actually saying -- and spend a lot less time commenting on it, except when clear-cut inaccuracies need to be pointed out .    Maybe then we'd know which candidates the voters really prefer.