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Guitar chord book?

Gurney 30 Sep 04 - 06:00 AM
muppitz 30 Sep 04 - 08:56 AM
M.Ted 30 Sep 04 - 02:18 PM
ddw 30 Sep 04 - 04:19 PM
M.Ted 30 Sep 04 - 05:58 PM
ddw 01 Oct 04 - 09:00 AM
Cluin 01 Oct 04 - 11:45 AM
Peter T. 01 Oct 04 - 12:53 PM
Gurney 01 Oct 04 - 07:14 PM
M.Ted 02 Oct 04 - 10:51 AM
Peter T. 02 Oct 04 - 12:56 PM
M.Ted 02 Oct 04 - 01:03 PM
Noah Zacharin 03 Oct 04 - 11:44 AM
GUEST,Anthony 22 Oct 04 - 08:28 AM
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Subject: Guitar chord book?
From: Gurney
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 06:00 AM

My musical taste is changing, or perhaps developing. I can often work out a chord sequence, but some of the newer stuff I'm trying is... well, trying. I'm not a good musician, very little theory.

Most chord books have a page for each key, ie. Cmaj, Cm, C7, etc. My usual one has 14 shapes from the major to 13th flattened 9th, more than I'm likely to need.

I'd like to find a book with them arranged in some of the more usual relatives, ie. Cmaj, Fmaj, Gmaj, G7, Am, Dm, Em, etc. The etc. is the half that is giving me trouble.

Has anyone seen such a thing? Please.


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: muppitz
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 08:56 AM

Can't remember the link right now but if you go to Google search and type in OLGA, that should give you a site called "Olga the online guitar archive" and somewhere on there is a database of hundreds of chords, there is also an archive of loads of songs, might prove useful in more ways than one!

Muppitz x


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: M.Ted
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 02:18 PM

Not sure what you are looking for here--

>>I'd like to find a book with them arranged in some of the more usual relatives, ie. Cmaj, Fmaj, Gmaj, G7, Am, Dm, Em, etc. The etc. is the half that is giving me trouble.

Generally, on guitar, you only need to know how to play in G with the fundamental on the E string, and in C with the funamental on the A string, then you can slide that up or down to play in any other key--


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: ddw
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 04:19 PM

Hi Gurney

If you're asking what I think you're asking, I don't think I've ever seen a book like that except a music theory book. It will tell you what are the usual relative minors, sevenths, ninths, etc. for any key. If you get that, then M. Ted's advice is good. Learn to barre up the neck in various keys; I would suggest adding the E progression to the list as well.

If you're intimidated by theory, you could also just find a bunch of songbooks and go thru them, noting the progressions. I would highly recommend something by Josh White, who used chord patterns more akin to jazz in a lot of his stuff.

For a fantastic site on chord voicings all over the neck, check out

http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/pm/chord/chord

It will give you any chord for any tuning (well, almost, but I haven't fooled it yet)

cheers,

david


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: M.Ted
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 05:58 PM

E is the same idea as the G on the Low string--though usually, if you're playing closed position, you'd play it on the sixth fret on the A string--

Maybe he just wants the chords that would be used in those keys? Same deal as above--

One thing that I have noticed over the years, is that there are way too many guitar chords--most books just dump them on you without giving you any idea which ones you'll need and which ones aren't really much use--

And all of those big chords that have five or six notes in them are really just two simple chords, stuck together--like C9 which is just the notes from C(C-E-G) stuck together with the notes from Gm (G-B-D)--if you want to be really out there, just take a couple plain chords, like C and Eb and mix them together--you end up with a C7+9--


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: ddw
Date: 01 Oct 04 - 09:00 AM

You're just showing off, M. Ted....

8>)

david


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: Cluin
Date: 01 Oct 04 - 11:45 AM

A C9 chord has the notes from a C Dominant 7 chord (C, E, G, Bb) plus the 9th note of the scale (D). Don't know where that 2 chords stuck together comes from.

A major chord has 3 notes, the basic 1,3,5 triad

A dominant 7th chord has 4 notes, the 1, 3, 5 plus the flatted 7th note

A 9th chord has all the notes of the dominant 7th chord plus the 9th, which is the same note as the 2nd but an octave higher
If it were an add9 chord, the flatted 7th would be left out.


If you want to know the chords for a particular major scale, they go:
major, minor, minor, major, major (or dominant7th), minor, diminished,then back to major again for the next octave.

i.e. in the scale of C, the notes are: C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C
so the chords are: C,Dm,Em,F,G(or G7),Am,Bdim,C


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: Peter T.
Date: 01 Oct 04 - 12:53 PM

I think you are looking for The Guitar Chord Progression Encyclopaedia by Howard Wallach from Alfred Publishing. It has the main chords in each key in sequence (I - ii - iii -IV, etc. more or less).

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: Gurney
Date: 01 Oct 04 - 07:14 PM

Thanks, guys. Looks like I have to take onboard more theory, after 35 years of pottering along without. Peter T's book there sounds what I am looking for, though, if I can find a copy.

The problem for me, as I said at the start, is that I'm not very good. Not totally hopeless, just good enough to know just how good I really am, if you understand me.

When I'm playing around with something, because it will likely be something requiring serious learning, jazz or something, I'll come across a requirement for a chord I don't recognise, and if I DO manage to find a suitable sound, I've lost the thread of the tune, and wonder if I'm in the right key still. So I start again, and when I get to that bit, it doesn't sound quite right, so I fumble around again.... Frusrating.
I've bought several expensive songbooks just for ONE number in them, and then found out that I don't like that arrangement.

I do know that I'm trying stuff that is beyond my capacity, but that is Life, isn't it.


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: M.Ted
Date: 02 Oct 04 - 10:51 AM

Call it what you want, a C ninth chord is a C major chord and a G minor chord sounding together--where you see a C9 written, you can often play Gm, or play a run based on a Gm chord--

the fact that these messy big chords can be broken down into simple triads is a very useful thing to know about when you are working out chord substitutions to get the right sound with chords that make sense on a guitar--


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: Peter T.
Date: 02 Oct 04 - 12:56 PM

That is good advice, M. Ted. I wish I had a simple way of remembering augmenteds and diminisheds (that doesn't sound right!). Can never hit them spontaneously.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: M.Ted
Date: 02 Oct 04 - 01:03 PM

There is a simple way to play them that flows out of the major chord positions--maybe someday I'll be able to show you --


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: Noah Zacharin
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:44 AM

I'm a big fan of the three volume set by William G. Leavitt, and published by Berklee Press, called "A Modern Method for Guitar". It goes through basics of the guitar, scales, triads, arpeggios, chord theory, and also presents some quite elegant and melodic chord progressions. For anyone wishing to understand guitar and music in the jazz and jazzesque realms these books will take you (as they are taking me) there. Also highly recommended are Ted Greene's "Modern Chord Progressions" and "Chord Chemistry". He is a monster player/master of the beautiful chord, the chord no one else has ever used. Lots of spice to add to any chord progression from Guthrie to Coleman. My three cents.


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Subject: RE: Guitar chord book?
From: GUEST,Anthony
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 08:28 AM

MINOR KEYS
A min        B dim        C aug        D min        E        F        G dim
Bb min        C dim        Db aug        Eb min        F        F#        Ab dim
B min        Db dim        D aug        E min        F#        G        A dim
C min        D dim        Eb aug        F min        G        Ab        Bb dim
Db min        Eb dim        E aug        F# min        Ab        A        B dim
D min        E dim        F aug        G min        A        Bb        C dim
Eb min        F dim        F# aug        Ab min        Bb        B        Db dim
E min        F# dim        G aug        A min        B        C        D dim
F min        G dim        Ab aug        Bb min        C        Db        Eb dim
F# min        Ab dim        A aug        B min        Db        D        E dim
G min        A dim        Bb aug        C min        D        Eb        F dim
Ab min        Bb dim        B aug        Db min        Eb        E        F# dim

MAJOR KEYS
C        D min        E min        F         G        A min        B dim
Db        Eb min        F min        F#        Ab        Bb min        C dim
D        E min        F# min        G        A        B min        Db dim
Eb        F min        G min        Ab        Bb        C min        D dim
E        F# min        Ab min        A        B        C# min        Eb dim
F        G min        A min        Bb        C        D min        E dim
F#        Ab min        Bb min        B        Db        Eb min        F dim
G        A min        B min        C        D        E min        F# dim
Ab        Bb min        C min        Db        Eb        F min        G dim
A        B min        Db min        D        E        F# min        Ab dim
Bb        C min        D min        Eb         F        G min        A dim
B        Db min        Eb min        E        F#        Ab min        Bb dim


Diminished chords are also called min7 b5. Meaning they contain the minor seventh and the flat 5.


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