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Lyr Req: Welcome Cold November (Pete Coe)

DMcG 09 Oct 04 - 03:30 AM
GUEST,MCP 09 Oct 04 - 03:37 AM
GUEST,MCP 09 Oct 04 - 03:54 AM
DMcG 09 Oct 04 - 04:25 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 09 Oct 04 - 04:59 AM
Fliss 09 Oct 04 - 06:45 PM
Malcolm Douglas 09 Oct 04 - 06:56 PM
GUEST,MCP 27 Oct 04 - 06:18 AM
Herga Kitty 27 Oct 04 - 04:34 PM
Fliss 28 Oct 04 - 12:25 PM
Herga Kitty 28 Oct 14 - 04:41 AM
GUEST,leeneia 28 Oct 14 - 09:24 AM
Herga Kitty 28 Oct 14 - 03:25 PM
GUEST,leeneia 28 Oct 14 - 10:14 PM
GUEST 29 Oct 14 - 10:43 AM
Herga Kitty 17 Nov 14 - 07:42 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 03:30 AM

The tune for this song has been going through my head for a couple of days but I can remember almost none of the words, except that each verse ends with a variation of 'and welcome poor November.' I associate it with Sandra Kerr, but that might be wrong as well. One verse is about Guy Fawkes trying to blow up Parliament and that one ends

For I would like to do the same
And light up old November.


Its all very vague, I know, but can anyone identify the lyrics?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 03:37 AM

The song is by Pete Coe. Surpringly I can't see any threads for it, so if noone puts it up, I'll do it later.

Mick


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Subject: Lyr Add: WELCOME COLD NOVEMBER (Pete Coe)
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 03:54 AM

OK, here are the words. I'll put the tune up later if I've got some time.

Many years ago, when taking this song down, I had a lot of trouble with verse 2, line 3, which for an hour or so was "Old Downy Charlie, sharp and bright", who was no doubt some mythical Cheshire folklore figure! I also sang it in the perfect setting (in duet with Herga Kitty) one crisp 1st November, a Sunday morning, at Talbot House in Poperinge, to a group largely from Herga and Maidenhead FCs, when we were staying there and visiting some of the WWI sites.

Mick



WELCOME COLD NOVEMBER
(Pete Coe)

A mist comes crawling down the street
To the corner where the kids all meet,
With fingers stiff and frozen feet
To welcome cold November,
To welcome cold November.

And underneath the pale gaslight
We sang our songs into the night
All down each alley, sharp and bright,
To echo through November,
To echo through November.

Come rain or fog you could be sure
That you be rich or be you poor
There'd come a knock upon your door:
It's only cold November,
It's only cold November.

And you never asked the reason why
You spared a penny for the guy,
Or Roman candles in the sky
To light up cold November
To light up cold November.

And poor Guy Fawkes must burn again,
It's a pity that he died in vain,
For I should like to do the same
To celebrate November,
To celebrate November.

But your father's standing by the gate
And your mother's in a right old state:
"Son, don't you know it's far too late
To wander through November?
To wander through November?"

But now I'm old and past me prime,
Out of season, out of rhyme.
The kids today can't find the time
To welcome cold November,
To welcome cold November,
To welcome cold November.

Source: Pete and Chris Coe


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 04:25 AM

Many thanks, MCP.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 04:59 AM

Gosh, I'd forgotten what a good song that is. Many thanks for the words, MCP - if you do find time to put the tune up, more than one Catter would be grateful.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: Fliss
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 06:45 PM

Brilliant lyrics... Ill have to see if my friend Bob has heard of it and would do it at the Boat. He does ALL AMONG THE BARLEY each week in September! Perhaps he would do that one in November.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 09 Oct 04 - 06:56 PM

Recorded on Pete and Chris Coe, Out of Season Out of Rhyme, Trailer LER 2098, 1976. © Leading Note Music. Another vinyl recording held incommunicado by Dave Bulmer of Celtic Music, Harrogate. Pete has tried to buy or license the material back from the current owner so that he can re-issue it himself, but without success. Bulmer apologists might take note of that.


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Subject: Tune Add: WELCOME COLD NOVEMBER (Pete Coe)
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 06:18 AM

Since November is nearly upon us, here's the tune as promised. It's barred the way I (more or less) sing it, but it's possible it should start d CA|E3..., but I haven't the recording any more to check how Pete and Chris did it. The Novembers at the end are held for short pause, which I've marked with tenuto (I don't think there's a mark for a short fermata available), but that's a matter of preference anyway, so you can make your own minds up on that.

Mick



X: 1
T:WELCOME COLD NOVEMBER
M:3/4
L:1/8
C:Pete Coe
S:Pete & Chris Coe
Q:1/4=66
K:A
d|cA E3 C|D>E E3
w:A mist comes crawl-ing down the street
E/E/|FG A3 G|FE D3
w:To the cor-ner where the kids all meet
d|cA E3 C|DE E3
w:With fing-ers stiff and fro-zen feet
E|FG A3 G|F2 !tenuto!E3
w:To wel-come cold No-vem-ber
E|FG A3 G|F2 !tenuto!E3|]
w:To wel-come cold No-vem-ber


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 04:34 PM

It's the season for downy Charlie again, then.... (aka MCP's mondegreene!)

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: Fliss
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 12:25 PM

Thanks for the abc Mick. Have listened to it. Will have to try and learn it.

Like songs about the seasons.

cheers
fliss


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 28 Oct 14 - 04:41 AM

I've never got the hang of the notation - could someone provide a midi or conventional music score for the tune? (I sang it at Herga last night, and me and another member remember different versions!)

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 28 Oct 14 - 09:24 AM

Hello, Herga Kitty. Here's a site which will do it for you.

1. Highlight the ABC above, from the X to the end. Make sure to get all the characters, but none extra from the chat that follows. The X:1 is particularly important.

2. Then go to this site:

converter page

3. Paste the ABC file into the box and click Submit.

4. If the ABC was done right, the dots for the song will appear. You take it from there.

5. Add that site to your favorites for future use.

My music collection contains many beautiful pieces which I have garnered from the Mudcat in this way.
================
The name for the song in question seems to be "Out of Season." The ABC file produces a D which I think sounds very odd. Do you suppose it was supposed to be an E?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 28 Oct 14 - 03:25 PM

Thanks Leeneia - I only have a tablet at the moment, but will try the cut and paste once I regain access to my new laptop. I've always thought of the song as "Out of season", but now see from Googling that it was listed on the album as "Welcome cold November". I used to have the vinyl version once upon a time...

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 28 Oct 14 - 10:14 PM

Well, well. vinyl! You and this song go back a ways, I guess.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Poor November
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Oct 14 - 10:43 AM

And for the intro, Thomas Hood's

No sun - no moon!
No morn - no noon -
No dawn - no dusk - no proper time of day.
No warmth, no cheerfulness, no healthful ease,
No comfortable feel in any member -
No shade, no shine, no butterflies, no bees,
No fruits, no flowers, no leaves, no birds! -
November!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Cold November (Pete Coe)
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 17 Nov 14 - 07:42 AM

Now reunited with laptop and compatible printer... I remember (and sing) the second half of the tune differently from the version given above by Mick, and don't just repeat the first line as the third! And I end the verse on B, not E, Probably a consequence of having sung the harmony....

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Welcome Cold November (Pete Coe)
From: GUEST,LynnH
Date: 17 Nov 14 - 03:10 PM

Once upon a time there was a magazine called Songsmith......and in Songsmith 2 there are the words and music to "Welcome cold November". There are a couple of very minor differences to the text given above- e.g. 'A mist comes FALLING down the street.....'- but I think the version above is what they actually sang live and on record.

The tune was made by Chris Coe, and is in 6/4 time. Pete wrote the words.

I'd scan it but whether it would be legible and whether I could upload it is another matter. To say nothing of the copyright aspect..........copyright Leading Note.


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