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Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve

Ebbie 11 Oct 04 - 02:21 AM
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Subject: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 02:21 AM

This makes me sad. I think we all hoped that he would someday realize his dream of walking again. His indomitable spirit wass an inspiration.

"Christopher Reeve, the star of the "Superman" movies whose near-fatal riding accident nine years ago turned him into a worldwide advocate for spinal cord research, died Sunday of heart failure, his publicist said. He was 52. "

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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: alanabit
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 02:48 AM

Farewell to a brave and determined man.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 02:52 AM

His example was inspirational. More of a superman in real life than he ever was on film.

Rest easy, Mr Reeves.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: s6k
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 03:12 AM

he WAS superman.... and the remake will be crap, Reeve was the man to play him.

rip.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 03:22 AM

I was truly sorry to hear this. Reeve was a remarkable man and will be missed by many.

His work towards stem cell research will go on.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: GUEST,JeanieKoala
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 03:24 AM

R.I.P Christopher Reeve, a truly wonderful man I respected.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: fat B****rd
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 03:33 AM

I'm sad to hear this. He had tremendous courage and dignity. RIP Christopher.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: JennyO
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 06:44 AM

Oh dear, what a tragedy. He was such a fine and courageous person - a super man indeed!

This has really upset me. I don't think I have felt this upset about a well known person dying since John Lennon died. I always hoped one day he would walk again.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: LilyFestre
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 06:48 AM

An inspirational man that will be missed by many. Rest in peace.

Lily


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 10:35 AM

In the end we are not measured by the number of days we live, but how we live the days. Using that standard, or any you choose, this was a person who demonstrated the truth of heroism. Heroes don't usually set out to be such. In fact, they generally, and honestly, don't realize they are heroic. Tragedy is what revealed this side of Reeve. He could have given up, he could have bemoaned all he had lost. He could have used his great wealth and prestige for his own good. But he did not. His tragedy opened his own eyes to the others. He worked for himself, and for all. His life deserves a song.

And what of his beloved Dana, and his children. I think they are not done teaching us. If you wanted a role model from which to teach what real love, passionate love, devoted love is all about, you would not do better than this remarkable Dana. I am quite sure his children will honor their Father. To Matthew, Alexandra, and Will ..... we are so sorry for your loss, and yet we celebrate a life well lived.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 10:43 AM

Can't put it much better than that Mick.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: karen k
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 10:44 AM

Can't say it better than Mick. We have lost a man who was an inspiration to all and will be greatly missed. My condolences to the Reeve family.

karen


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 11:11 AM

Aw fuck... that sucks!


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 11:36 AM

I agree with Spaw, Karen, and Clinton. Too sad for words.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: GUEST,Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 11:48 AM

I met him back in 1977.
He has a bill in Congress right now.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 11:54 AM

Yes, he was a very courageous man.


the only thing that I can find wrong with any comments so far in this thread is s6k saying:

"he WAS superman.... and the remake will be crap, Reeve was the man to play him"

I doubt that. The Superman character has proven to be bigger than any actor.

And now that he is gone, I believe the remake will just have to be made better, to avoid the sympathic comparisons.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 11:55 AM

I remember a song idea CapriUni had about Peter Pan: "I can't walk, but I can fly." That was Christopher Reeve. He took a horrible tragedy, and found a way to fly, to soar.

The last time I heard him speak on TV, he said some feeling had returned to his legs, and he could move a finger. This doesn't sound like much, but in the realm of spinal chord injuries, I think it's huge. It's sad that he never got to walk again. I think if he'd had enough time, he'd have done that. It's not that sad though. We all want stories to have happy endings, but a good life isn't about the ending. We want our travellers to arrive at their destinations. For the traveller though, the best part of a journey is what happens along the path they take. The important part is to just keep moving on.

He kept moving on. He loved and was loved, was respected, was passionate about a cause and gave a lot of people hope, and he showed them what bright possibilities might await them on their own journeys. If that isn't soaring, I don't know what is.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Peace
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:03 PM

Bye, Chris.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: open mike
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:13 PM

must have been the kryptonite...
his achilles tendon...or heel;?


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:16 PM

Big Mick said it.

Because of his courage and determination in the face of what seemed like overwhelming odds, Reeve had made a good measure of progress. A couple decades ago, this would have been next to impossible. Who knows what he might have been able to do had his life not been interrupted by complications from something that is so easy to prevent:   a pressure sore. This is something that people who are confined to bed and/or wheelchair have to be very careful about. They're easy to prevent, but once they take hold, they can be extremely dangerous.

In Reeve's case, he probably wasn't even able to feel it, so it was up to his attendants to have discovered it in time, which obviously they didn't. Not to point fingers, but this is a damned shame. It's worse than a damned shame because it was so preventable.

I've been in a wheelchair since 1990. In 2000, I had to spend about four weeks in a hospital with a leg badly broken from a fall. During that time, my backside (left buttock) became very sore and I complained to both a nurse and my rehabilitation physician about it. They blew me off. Finally, I told another nurse about it, she checked, and hit the ceiling. She called a dermatoligist in right away (and got reprimanded by my rehabilitation physician for going over her head) and the necessary steps were taken before it got started getting real bad. The nurse's first name was Jane, and I never learned her last name. But thank God for people such as her, who listen to patients instead of just treating them like pieces of meat.

Sorry. Didn't mean to go on a rant. But when I heard that what precipitated Reeve's death was an infection from a bed-sore, it brought it all back. Again, a damned shame.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:36 PM

One of the Doctor's this AM indicated that once someone is on a respirator, life expectancy is about 7 years. Reeve lived 9 years. Apparently the effect of the respirator is that it puts a great deal of stress on the organs, such as the heart.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:41 PM

Yes, a damned shame. And, yes, paralysis caused many many other internal problems. Mr's cousin is paralyzed just below his lungs and has lots of things all messed up inside. His wife is a saint and I'm sure Chris's was too.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:48 PM

*singing*

"I can't stand to fly...
I'm not that naive."


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: JennyO
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:56 PM

Superman - Five for Fighting

I can't stand to fly
I'm not that naive
I'm just out to find
The better part of me

I'm more than a bird
I'm more than a plane
I'm more than some pretty face beside a train
And it's not easy to be me

I wish that I could cry
Fall upon my knees
Find a way to lie
'Bout a home I'll never see

It may sound absurd
But don't be naive
Even heroes have the right to bleed
I may be disturbed
But won't you concede
Even heroes have the right to dream
And it's not easy to be me

Up, up and away, away from me
Well it's alright
You can all sleep sound tonight
I'm not crazy or anything

I can't stand to fly
I'm not that naive
Men weren't meant to ride
With clouds between their knees

I'm only a man in a silly red sheet
Digging for kryptonite on this one way street
I'm only a man in a funny red sheet
Looking for special things inside of me, inside of me
Inside of me, yeah inside of me, inside of me

I'm only a man in a funny red sheet
I'm only a man looking for a dream
I'm only a man in a funny red sheet
And it's not easy…
It's not easy to be me


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: JennyO
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 01:02 PM

Clinton, believe it or not, I hadn't seen your post when I went looking for those lyrics and posted them - I was about to go to bed, but I couldn't get the song out of my head and had to come back and open Mudcat again just to do it. Spooky, eh!

Jenny


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 01:10 PM

*Singin*

"Superman's Song"

Tarzan wasn't a ladies' man
He'd just come along and scoop 'em up under his arm
Like that, quick as a cat in the jungle
But Clark Kent, now there was a real gent
He would not be caught sittin' around in no
Junglescape, dumb as an ape doing nothing

[Chorus:]
Superman never made any money
For saving the world from Solomon Grundy
And sometimes I despair the world will never see
Another man like him

Hey Bob, Supe had a straight job
Even though he could have smashed through any bank
In the United States, he had the strength, but he would not
Folks said his family were all dead
Their planet crumbled but Superman, he forced himself
To carry on, forget Krypton, and keep going

Tarzan was king of the jungle and Lord over all the apes
But he could hardly string together four words: "I Tarzan, You Jane."

Sometimes when 'Supe' was stopping crimes
I'll bet that he was tempted to just quit and turn his back
On man, join Tarzan in the forest
But he stayed in the city, and kept on changing clothes
In dirty old phonebooths till his work was through
And nothing to do but go on home

-Crash Test Dummies-


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 03:44 PM

Superman was no hero. You can't be heroic and brave when you are invincible and nothing can hurt or harm you. Heroes are those who know they can be hurt and proceed with courage anyway.

That was Christopher Reeve.

btw, Don Firth - the cause of death was listed as cardiac failure. I've seen no mention of any connection between that and the pressure sore. (Sorry if I'm wrong.)


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 04:12 PM

Guest, peedeecee, I have also seen a few reports this morning that there was a pressure sore involved that led to a serious infection.

Don Firth does know what he is talking about on this.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 04:38 PM

Quite a remarkable man. I can't even begin to understand how he coped with his disability with such dignity while doing so much for a cause.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Nerd
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 04:57 PM

I always admired Christopher Reeve and am very sad that he's gone.

peedeecee: the writers of Superman comics invented the idea of Kryptonite for the very reason you've pointed out. His heroism was empty since he couldn't be hurt. Once they introduced Kryptonite, Superman had many opportunities to prove his heroism by saving people despite the fact that doing so exposed him to kryptonite and endangered his life.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 05:38 PM

From this artical in the Seattle Post:
"Reeve died Sunday after developing a serious bloodstream infection from a bedsore, a common problem for paralyzed people. He went into cardiac arrest Saturday at his home in Pound Ridge, N.Y., then fell into a coma, dying the next day at a hospital. His wife, Dana, and other family members were with him."
I was always in awe of his honesty and positive outlook. The two things frequently don't go together in many people.

Playing Superman was really such a small thing compared to everything he's done since, but I guess it's pop culture, and is what mainstream America associates him with.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 06:57 PM

Thank you very much for clarifying the information on the pressure sore.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 11:28 PM

Don Firth, I remember, when I was trained by an old and old-timey nurse at hospital, how very, very important it was to constantly be on the look-out for bed sores and to treat them immediately. I was shocked when I heard the news about Reeve and the cause. Good for your Nurse Jane for going out on a limb for you. Thanks for sharing with us.

Jeri, your last post but one was spot on...he shared his travels with us in a most imcomparable way and we are all the richer for it.

I hope his bill passes in Congress.

kat


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 02:06 PM

I made my best mate cry last night....

In honour of Chris Reeve, I played The Superman Song by Crash Test Dummies (Lyrics above...) and ended it with a chorus from their song "Won't You Come To My Funeral" and 4 bars of the main theme from the Superman Movies...   (Daaaa dada-dadaaaaa daaa daaaa daaaaaa....Daaaa dada-dadaaaaa DA-dadaaaaaaaaaaa..... )

He honestly and for true wept.... It moved me so much I shook for almost half an hour...

THAT'S what music is all about!

------
And well, if you think that Supe wasn't subject to hurt, then you don't know JACK about Superman...


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: s6k
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 02:14 PM

in the tradition of Clinton, (thanks btw, reminding me of that song, it was on my computer but i forgot about it, its ace)

but anyway, in the tradition of Clinton, i will also post here a nice Superman related song, which is a REALLY NICE song, makes me sad to hear it, even more so now, and what great lyrics...

I can't stand to fly, I'm not that naive
I'm just trying to find the better part of me
I'm more than a bird, I'm more than a plane
I'm more than some pretty face beside a train, and it's not easy to be me

I wish that I could cry, fall upon my knees
Find a way to lie about a home I'll never see
It may sound absurd, but don't be naive
Even heroes have the right to bleed
I may be disturbed, but wont you conceive
Even heroes have the right to dream, and it's not easy to be me

Up ahead, away from me
Well it's all right, you can all sleep sound tonight
I'm not crazy, or anything

I can't stand to fly, I'm not that naive
Men weren't meant to ride with clouds between their knees
I'm only a man in a silly red sheet, digging for Kryptonite on this one way street
Only a man on this one way street looking for special things inside of me

I'm only a man looking for a dream
I'm only a man in a funny red sheet, and it's not easy
It's not easy to be me

-Superman
By "Five For Fighting"


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 02:36 PM

Wow. Clinton, that post of yours is an excellent example of 'don't tell me- show me. Gave me chills.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 02:54 PM

me, too, CH...


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:31 PM

Hat off, CH...


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: GUEST,tarheel
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 03:50 PM

i never liked him...


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 05:53 PM

Reeve wasn't vastly wealthy, despite all of the films he had made. I remember reading after the horse-riding accident that they had to work hard to align the family finances to adjust their home so he could live in that house, and to make arrangements for the intense physical therapy and to set up the foundation. The fact that he was able to do so much, not just get his business in order, but to go beyond that and raise money for research, that's one hard working individual.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: JennyO
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 11:21 PM

I keep playing both the songs - trying to sing along, but I can't 'cause I'm crying too much. Crying's good sometimes.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Oct 04 - 01:38 AM

That's OK, tar_heel. Wouldn't have expected you to.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 13 Oct 04 - 04:07 PM

I sang the Crash Test Dummies song last night at an open mic... got quite a response...

On a side note, it was written back in 1991, long before his accident in 1995. It served (like the Five for Fighting song) to reflect our superheroes in a more "human" light, and I think it also makes one think that mayber there isn't that much difference between those heroes and the ones we see in our own lives everyday.

Brian.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 13 Oct 04 - 04:46 PM

He was an advocate of stem cell research.

Such research, by its very nature will involve paralysing healthy animals in the laboratory.

It's all done in secret, so its all right.


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Oct 04 - 05:50 PM

" Such research, by its very nature will involve paralysing healthy animals in the laboratory"

If it's in the name of helping PEOPLE walk again, -I'll- sign up to be the one who snaps their spines...

We kill animals to eat them... how is that any different?

It's called the Food Chain... some things die so that others might live...


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Subject: RE: Obit: R.I.P Christopher Reeve
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 01:42 PM

Superman's sex life boogie

Nigel


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