Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners

Subject: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 03:12 AM

Sing Out very generously provides MIDIs on its Website for most of the songs and tunes it publishes quarterly. I've identified a number of songs which are missing tunes either in the main Digital Tradition collection or those for which lyrics already exist in the Mudcat Forum.

I'll gladly produce NWC files and/or ABC files with aligned lyrics, but without the printed scores it's often difficult to get dots and lyrics aligned properly (particularly for songs I don't know - that means most of them).

Have considered buying the entire collection of back copies but the cost of the publications plus international postage is beyond my means. Furthermore I can't find a library in Australia which hosts this publication.

My question is - Does anyone, anywhere have a personal collection of Sing Out and would be prepared from time to time to send me a scanned copy of a troublesome song - or any other ideas which might remove the tedium. I suspect that the MIDIs at their Website and the dots that they publish are not identical 'cos I've had to do extensive massaging or lyrics and/or notes to get a proper fit.

On a slight change of subject I will at some stage produce an index of all the MIDIs available at the Sing Out site so that anyone doing a Forum Super Search can as a minimum recognise that a fine tune resource is available for missing tunes.

If you are able to help now or at some stage in the future please let me know. A PM would be fine.

Regards, John

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 09:46 AM

I note that the Sing Out Website started producing MIDIS with the Volume 42 #1 -- May/Jun/Jul '97 issue so that's 32 issues of Index (for a start).

Regards, John

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 10:41 AM

John, I only have 3 back issues....Vol 35, #4; Vol 37 # 1; and Vol 39, #3 and a scanner. If you need anything from these three, I'll be happy to do it. Have to figure out why I can recieve but not send e mail right now though.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 10:51 AM

how old do you want them? I have a few from the first few years (like vol.1, 2..etc.....and 20-30 from the 60s & 70s...
I might need to be reminded though....(it's craft show season, and my mind is on other things)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners
From: GUEST,Lin in Kansas
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 11:31 PM

John--

Sing Out! has printed collections of their magazines: Vols. 1-6 (1959-1964) and Vols. 7-12 (1964-1973), called (surprise!) The Collected Reprints from Sing Out! The Folk Song Magazine. They can be ordered from Sing Out Corporation, P.O. Box 5253, Bethlehem, PA 18015-5253, for around $17.50 each. Sing Out's phone number for inquiries is [phone].

We have the two books mentioned in the above paragraph. I don't know if they've done a third collection yet (Joe?). Each book has dots, chords, and verses, with copyright info and attribution wherever known. Most of the songs have a bit of background blurb too.

All that said, if there are any in particular you want, give a holler via PM.

Lin

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners
From: Joybell
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 06:18 AM

John I have a set of the "Reprints from Singout". Also a few odd volumes. Give me a call if you want anything from them. Cheers Joy

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 06:41 AM

I looked at the Sing Out! website. A number of single issues are offered, but not the collected volumes.
A UK dealer offers collected vol. 7-12 for US$73.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 07:26 AM

Thanks for all the responses via the Forum and PM.

Over the years I think I've collected all or most(ish) of the Reprints from Sing Out. We have discussed this general sunject a number of years back, but I was too lazy to refer to the previous thread before penning this note.

As of today I've created an Index of all the Songs and Tunes that have been published in the Quarterly Sing Out Mag from Mid 1997 until Fall 2004 (whenever that was - does that mean now? The Northern Hemisphere nomenclature confuses me no end.) There's close to 600 of them of which maybe 100 or so are probably instrumental tunes only and maybe a further 50 which don't have MIDIs. So the Index will allow us to locate about 450 songs for which there are MIDIs at the Sing Out site.

The Index will provide an alphabetical listing of songs, the author/singer, a blue clicky to the relevant Sing Out page where the MIDI resides, the Volume Number and Date of Publication plus a description of the Front Cover.

Joe Offer will inevitably have to sanitise my disorderly HTML and may then create a PermaThread - that's Joe's call.

I'll wait for Joe to post and then we can discuss any further developments. He was going away for a couple of weeks, so I'll sit tight for the moment.

Regards, John

Subject: Song Index: Sing Out Magazine
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 04:11 AM

Here's the index from John in Brisbane. I hope it works.
-Joe Offer-

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Index of SING OUT MIDIs
Song/Tune	Link	Back Issue	Cover Photo
1917 .. David Olney	<a href="http://www.singout.org/434toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #4-Sum ’99	Cesar Rosas
1952 Vincent Black Lightning .. Richard Thompson	<a href="http://www.singout.org/423toc.html">Click</a>	V42 #3-Win '98	John McEuen
22/41 (Amadou Diallo's Song) .. Stephan Smith	<a href="http://www.singout.org/434toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #4-Sum ’99	Cesar Rosas
A Border Affair / Spanish Is The Lovin' Tongue (1993) .. Words Charles Badger Clark	<a href="http://www.singout.org/444toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #4-50th Yr	Sing Out! Turns 50!
A Kiss in the Morning Early .. Trad, arranged Niamh Parsons, Dennis Cahill, and Graham Dunne	<a href="http://www.singout.org/463toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #3-Fall ’02	Ralph Stanley
A Little a' This 'n' That .. Pete Seeger	<a href="http://www.singout.org/482toc.html">Click</a>	V48 #2-Sum ’04	Robin/Linda Williams
A Mountaineer Is Always Free .. Pierce Pettis & Tim O'Brien	<a href="http://www.singout.org/454toc.html">Click</a>	V45 #4-Win ’02	Lila Downs
A Pilgrim's Way .. Lyrics: Rudyard Kipling; Melody: Peter Bellamy	<a href="http://www.singout.org/483toc.html">Click</a>	V48 #3-Fall ’04	Souad Massi
A Place In The Choir (1982) .. Bill Staines	<a href="http://www.singout.org/444toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #4-50th Yr	Sing Out! Turns 50!
A Shake in the Basket (Child #281).. Melody; Trad; Lyrics: Trad arr. Andrew Calhoun	<a href="http://www.singout.org/482toc.html">Click</a>	V48 #2-Sum ’04	Robin/Linda Williams
Adieu, Sweet Lovely Nancy .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/423toc.html">Click</a>	V42 #3-Win '98	John McEuen
Aeolian Harp .. Music Seth Houston / Words Isaac Watts, Beth Carpenter, Seth Houston & Ethan Ryea	<a href="http://www.singout.org/452toc.html">Click</a>	V45 #2-Sum ’01	Värttinä singers
Affected By The Moon .. Chuck Pyle	<a href="http://www.singout.org/462toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #2-Sum ’02	Bruce Cockburn
Ain't Got No Honey Babe (Fiddle Teach-In) .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/423toc.html">Click</a>	V42 #3-Win '98	John McEuen
Ain't No Doubt About It .. Adie Grey & Dave MacKenzie	<a href="http://www.singout.org/423toc.html">Click</a>	V42 #3-Win '98	John McEuen
All Used Up .. Bruce "Utah" Phillips	<a href="http://www.singout.org/441toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #1-Fall ’99	Utah Phillips
Alone in the Dark .. Jackie Washington	<a href="http://www.singout.org/463toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #3-Fall ’02	Ralph Stanley
Alterio's Waltz .. John Whelan	<a href="http://www.singout.org/432toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #2-Fall ’98	Corey Harris
Amari Szi, Amari .. Trad, arranged Anti von Klewitz	<a href="http://www.singout.org/464toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #4-Win ’03	Greg Brown
Ambition .. David Mallett	<a href="http://www.singout.org/442toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #2-Win ’00	Peter, Paul & Mary
And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda (1977) .. Eric Bogle	<a href="http://www.singout.org/444toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #4-50th Yr	Sing Out! Turns 50!
Antin Mikko .. Trad, arr. Timo Alakotila and Arto Järvelä	<a href="http://www.singout.org/434toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #4-Sum ’99	Cesar Rosas
April Morning .. Trad., arr Jim Moray	<a href="http://www.singout.org/481toc.html">Click</a>	V48 #1-Spr ’04	Ginny Hawker
Aragon Mill (1980) .. Si Kahn	<a href="http://www.singout.org/444toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #4-50th Yr	Sing Out! Turns 50!
Arkansas Traveler (Banjo Teach-In) .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/431toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #1-Sum ’98	Altan
Armstrong's Army .. Jez Lowe	<a href="http://www.singout.org/464toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #4-Win ’03	Greg Brown
As Above, So Below .. Matt Jones	<a href="http://www.singout.org/441toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #1-Fall ’99	Utah Phillips
As If He Knows .. Eric Bogle	<a href="http://www.singout.org/471toc.html">Click</a>	V47 #1-Spr ’03	Liz Carroll
As It Is Fading .. James Leva	<a href="http://www.singout.org/462toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #2-Sum ’02	Bruce Cockburn
Autobiography of a Pistol .. Ellis Paul	<a href="http://www.singout.org/432toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #2-Fall ’98	Corey Harris
Back Step Cindy - "The Old Timey Way" (in two parts) .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/464toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #4-Win ’03	Greg Brown
Bandolier .. Jack Hardy	<a href="http://www.singout.org/474toc.html">Click</a>	V47 #4-Win ’04	Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Bandy Rowe (Kitty Alone) .. Trad, arr. Jean Ritchie (Geordie Music Publishing / ASCAP)	<a href="http://www.singout.org/464toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #4-Win ’03	Greg Brown
Banging Breakdown (Banjo Teach-In) .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/482toc.html">Click</a>	V48 #2-Sum ’04	Robin/Linda Williams
Banks of Marble (1950) .. Les Rice	<a href="http://www.singout.org/444toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #4-50th Yr	Sing Out! Turns 50!
Banks of Sweet Primroses .. Words: Trad / Music: Dáithí Sproule	<a href="http://www.singout.org/471toc.html">Click</a>	V47 #1-Spr ’03	Liz Carroll
Barbed Wire Boys .. Susan Werner	<a href="http://www.singout.org/482toc.html">Click</a>	V48 #2-Sum ’04	Robin/Linda Williams
Barrel Rafferty's Jig .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/421toc.html">Click</a>	V42 #1-Sum 97	Oumou Sangare
Battle of New Orleans (1959) .. Jimmy Driftwood	<a href="http://www.singout.org/444toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #4-50th Yr	Sing Out! Turns 50!
Bayou Sara .. (American Trad)	<a href="http://www.singout.org/442toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #2-Win ’00	Peter, Paul & Mary
Because He Was A Bonnie Lad .. Trad / Arranged Tickell, Sutton, Haigh & Borland	<a href="http://www.singout.org/452toc.html">Click</a>	V45 #2-Sum ’01	Värttinä singers
Belle Rose .. Trad. arr. Tabor, Warren, Emerson, Bolton	<a href="http://www.singout.org/461toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #1-Spr ’02	Blind Boys of Alabama
Big Walter's Boogie (Harmonica Teach-in) ..	<a href="http://www.singout.org/441toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #1-Fall ’99	Utah Phillips
Big, Big World .. Reggie and Kim Harris	<a href="http://www.singout.org/464toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #4-Win ’03	Greg Brown
Bigger, Bigger, Bigger .. Peter Alsop	<a href="http://www.singout.org/463toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #3-Fall ’02	Ralph Stanley
Bill Jones.. Keith Fotheringham	<a href="http://www.singout.org/461toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #1-Spr ’02	Blind Boys of Alabama
Billy Gray .. Norman Blake	<a href="http://www.singout.org/453toc.html">Click</a>	V45 #3-Fall ’01	Ramblin' Jack Elliot
Black & White .. Janis Ian	<a href="http://www.singout.org/432toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #2-Fall ’98	Corey Harris
Black Girl (In The Pines) .. Trad, arr. Anna Domino and Michel Delory	<a href="http://www.singout.org/434toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #4-Sum ’99	Cesar Rosas
Blackberry Blossom (Fiddle Teach-in) ..	<a href="http://www.singout.org/443toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #3-Spr ’00	Joseph Shambalala
Blackwaterside .. Trad, arr. Altan	<a href="http://www.singout.org/431toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #1-Sum ’98	Altan
Blowin' In The Wind (1962) .. Bob Dylan	<a href="http://www.singout.org/444toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #4-50th Yr	Sing Out! Turns 50!
Blue Mountain Lake .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/471toc.html">Click</a>	V47 #1-Spr ’03	Liz Carroll
Bluegrass Breakdown (Banjo Tab) .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/V4#toc.html">Click</a>	V42 #2-Fall '97	Jay Ungar
Blur In the Photograph .. Anne Hills	<a href="http://www.singout.org/433toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #3-Win ’99	Pat Conte
Bon Appétit .. Cathy Fink	<a href="http://www.singout.org/474toc.html">Click</a>	V47 #4-Win ’04	Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Bonaparte's Retreat (Guitar Teach-In).. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/481toc.html">Click</a>	V48 #1-Spr ’04	Ginny Hawker
Borrowed Love (Banjo Teach-in) .. Lyrics: Dwight Yoakam; Music: Dwight Yoakam, Earl Scruggs, Randy Scruggs	<a href="http://www.singout.org/461toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #1-Spr ’02	Blind Boys of Alabama
Boulevarden .. Morten Alfred Høirup	<a href="http://www.singout.org/482toc.html">Click</a>	V48 #2-Sum ’04	Robin/Linda Williams
Bread and Roses .. Music: Mimi Fariña, Words: James Oppenheim	<a href="http://www.singout.org/464toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #4-Win ’03	Greg Brown
Bright Morning Stars Are Rising - Version 1 .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/452toc.html">Click</a>	V45 #2-Sum ’01	Värttinä singers
Bright Morning Stars Are Rising - Version 2 .. Trad / Arranged G.D. Vowell	<a href="http://www.singout.org/452toc.html">Click</a>	V45 #2-Sum ’01	Värttinä singers
Bruce Molsky: A Northern Boy's Musical Odessy South .. John Lupton	<a href="http://www.singout.org/461toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #1-Spr ’02	Blind Boys of Alabama
Bubba's 3 B's .. Joel Mabus	<a href="http://www.singout.org/431toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #1-Sum ’98	Altan
Buddy Bolden's Blues .. Bill Morrissey	<a href="http://www.singout.org/453toc.html">Click</a>	V45 #3-Fall ’01	Ramblin' Jack Elliot
Buskers .. Collum Sands	<a href="http://www.singout.org/432toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #2-Fall ’98	Corey Harris
But The Days And Nights Are Long .. Cheryl Wheeler(© 1997 Penrod & Higgins Music / Amachrist Music / ASCAP)	<a href="http://www.singout.org/434toc.html">Click</a>	V43 #4-Sum ’99	Cesar Rosas
Cairn o' Mount .. Words: Alexander Balfour; Music: Tony Cuffe	<a href="http://www.singout.org/474toc.html">Click</a>	V47 #4-Win ’04	Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Cairo Blues .. Henry Townsend	<a href="http://www.singout.org/454toc.html">Click</a>	V45 #4-Win ’02	Lila Downs
Camp A Little While In The Wilderness .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/462toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #2-Sum ’02	Bruce Cockburn
Captain .. Greg Artzner & Terry Leonino	<a href="http://www.singout.org/443toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #3-Spr ’00	Joseph Shambalala
Chad Gadya .. Trad, with arr. & new lyrics Chava Albertstein	<a href="http://www.singout.org/442toc.html">Click</a>	V44 #2-Win ’00	Peter, Paul & Mary
Charlie Hunter's Jig .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/421toc.html">Click</a>	V42 #1-Sum 97	Oumou Sangare
Cheb Mami .. Dan Rosenberg	<a href="http://www.singout.org/461toc.html">Click</a>	V46 #1-Spr ’02	Blind Boys of Alabama
Chinquipin Pie (Banjo Teach-In) .. Trad	<a href="http://www.singout.org/482toc.html">Click</a>

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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Oct 04 - 04:18 AM Nope. It truncated the table and failed to make the links clickable. Back to the drawing board. -Joe Offer-

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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners From: John in Brisbane Date: 15 Oct 04 - 10:05 AM Thanks Joe, if this gets too hard I can abandon the pretty table concept and/or the clickable links. My aim here was to ensure that anyone doing a Super Search of the Forum could at least get an indication that the MIDI was available online. For the sake of brevity I omitted any copyright information which related to individual songs (plus the Sing Out site was inconsistent in the way it treats line braaks and I was too lazy to adjust them manually). Just for the record I should mention the structure of the MISIs at the Sing Out site. They are fairly mnimalist in that they contain 2 channels(type 1 MIDI) one for the melody and the second for the chords. Chords are played once only until the chord changes, so they're nothing flash to listen to. How do you figure out what the chords are in the MIDI? I guess that there are three basic answers, but you might have some other ideas: (1) The luckier ones will hear the chord and know instinctively what the chord is and/or will compare it to a chord played on the instrument of choice, gutiar, harpsichord or autoharp. (2) Use a commercial program such as Pavane's Chord Fider at greenhedges.com, Cakewalk Pro has a chord recognition facility (which I haven't yet tried) or Jammer Pro works well in the free downloads at soundtrek.com - I see that V5 is now available which I assume retains the same functionality as my V4. You don't need to be able to read music if you use these programs. (3) Employ old-fashioned chord theory. There are lots of programs that will allow you to view and/or print the notes. The free download of NoteWorthy Composer at noteworthysoftware.com will do the trick for Windows PC's, but you have lots of choices for all sorts of operating systems. If you are able to read the names of the notes in the chords (and it's pretty easy to learn) you could use a $12.95 utility called Music Chord at http://www.rpsoft2000.com/rps_musicord.htm. (I haven''t used it) Just enter the names of the notes and this prog will give it's name virtually regardless of how complex it is. OR learn some basic chord theory. Let's face it, the vast majority of folk music chords aren't very complicated. 96.25% of songs in the DT are either Major, Minor, Sevenths or occasionally Diminished. Have we had a thread on this subject in the past or does anyone know of a good site that clearly outlines chord theory. I've looked at a dozen or so and they're all a bit too complicated for my liking. Failing this I'm happy to whip up a quick tutorial for folk chord identification. Feedback is very welcome - as if I could stop you? Regards, John

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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 04:18 AM

Nope. It truncated the table and failed to make the links clickable.
Back to the drawing board.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sing Out Back Copies and Scanners
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 10:05 AM

Thanks Joe, if this gets too hard I can abandon the pretty table concept and/or the clickable links. My aim here was to ensure that anyone doing a Super Search of the Forum could at least get an indication that the MIDI was available online.

For the sake of brevity I omitted any copyright information which related to individual songs (plus the Sing Out site was inconsistent in the way it treats line braaks and I was too lazy to adjust them manually).

Just for the record I should mention the structure of the MISIs at the Sing Out site. They are fairly mnimalist in that they contain 2 channels(type 1 MIDI) one for the melody and the second for the chords. Chords are played once only until the chord changes, so they're nothing flash to listen to.

How do you figure out what the chords are in the MIDI? I guess that there are three basic answers, but you might have some other ideas:

(1) The luckier ones will hear the chord and know instinctively what the chord is and/or will compare it to a chord played on the instrument of choice, gutiar, harpsichord or autoharp.

(2) Use a commercial program such as Pavane's Chord Fider at greenhedges.com, Cakewalk Pro has a chord recognition facility (which I haven't yet tried) or Jammer Pro works well in the free downloads at soundtrek.com - I see that V5 is now available which I assume retains the same functionality as my V4. You don't need to be able to read music if you use these programs.

(3) Employ old-fashioned chord theory. There are lots of programs that will allow you to view and/or print the notes. The free download of NoteWorthy Composer at noteworthysoftware.com will do the trick for Windows PC's, but you have lots of choices for all sorts of operating systems. If you are able to read the names of the notes in the chords (and it's pretty easy to learn) you could use a $12.95 utility called Music Chord at http://www.rpsoft2000.com/rps_musicord.htm. (I haven''t used it) Just enter the names of the notes and this prog will give it's name virtually regardless of how complex it is.

OR learn some basic chord theory. Let's face it, the vast majority of folk music chords aren't very complicated. 96.25% of songs in the DT are either Major, Minor, Sevenths or occasionally Diminished. Have we had a thread on this subject in the past or does anyone know of a good site that clearly outlines chord theory. I've looked at a dozen or so and they're all a bit too complicated for my liking. Failing this I'm happy to whip up a quick tutorial for folk chord identification.

Feedback is very welcome - as if I could stop you?

Regards, John