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CD: Irish Ballads and Songs of the Sea(Dan Milner)

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dick greenhaus 11 Nov 98 - 01:40 PM
Liam's Brother 11 Nov 98 - 02:29 PM
Barry Finn 11 Nov 98 - 03:59 PM
Susanne (skw) 15 Jul 01 - 08:08 PM
Abby Sale 24 Mar 09 - 06:36 PM
MartinRyan 24 Mar 09 - 06:45 PM
GUEST,Lighter 24 Mar 09 - 10:39 PM
MartinRyan 25 Mar 09 - 03:11 AM
Abby Sale 26 Mar 09 - 05:35 PM
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Subject: NEW CD-Irish Ballads and Songs of the Sea
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 11 Nov 98 - 01:40 PM

I just received a notice of a new CD from Liam's Brother. He suggested that I compose the message myself, but he did jes' fine, so I'll quote directly:

Just heard from the CD company and the disc may be here 20 Nov. We talked a little bit about making it available to Mudcatters at a lower cost. I would like to do that.

The details are:

15 Ballads, Shanties and Songs sung by Dan Milner with Lou Killen (vocals and concertine), Mick Moloney (vocals, guitar and mandolin), Andy O'Brien (vocals and guitar), Billy McComiskey (accordion), Brendan Mulvehill (viola), Brian Conway (violin), Bob Conroy (vocals and guitar), Frank Woerner (vocals), Jan Christensen (12-string guitar) and Liam Milner (vocals).

The songs: Paddy West, The Banks of Newfoundland, Billy O'Shea, The Loss of the Ship 'Jane Maria', The Harp Without the Crown, The 'Nightingale', Rosemary Lane, Poor Old Horse, Lovely Ann, Row, Bullies, Row, Yellow Meal, Lord Bateman, The Girls of Valparaiso, The Lily of the West, Leave Her, Johnny, Leave Her

US$15 for Mudcat Members (includes packaging and postage in the US and CANADA; GBP12 or US$20 (includes packaging and postage) to other areas. Please make checks payable to Daniel Milner, 303 West 19 St. #23, New York, NY, 10111, USA


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Subject: RE: NEW CD
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 11 Nov 98 - 02:29 PM

Should just add that this is a Folk-Legacy disc. As you know, Folk-Legacy has a good selection of Folk-Legacy and other recordings and gives a discount when customers order multiple CDs. If you're going to be buying CDs for Christmas, you might want to check the Folk-Legacy website: http://www.folklegacy.com/

All the best.


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Subject: RE: NEW CD
From: Barry Finn
Date: 11 Nov 98 - 03:59 PM

To futher add to this. Last June I picked this up as a tape, it's still got some life left in it but I'm wearing it out fast. The style & versions of the songs on this are to die for. The musicans & singers accompanying Dan are known world wide, that in itself speaks highly of this recording & of Dan. Dan himself, in case he's to modest, I believe placed first in the All Ireland, in singing. His interpretation of the Irish & Sea music he sings & his choice of material will (or at least should) assure his CD a sacred place in the homes of any who remotly have an interest in this type of music.
Barry, who's getting no share of this, just pleasure.


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Subject: RE: NEW CD
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 15 Jul 01 - 08:08 PM

Wolfgang, thanks for the link to this thread. Isn't Dan Milner coming to Europe in autumn for a shanty festival in Bremerhaven? Any further info would be appreciated, as it's not that far from where I live.


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Subject: RE: NEW CD
From: Abby Sale
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 06:36 PM

Thanks to Dan I just sang "The Harp Without The Crown" within the local two-week St Pats recognition. I was stuck, though to fully understand the flag bit and hope someone may help.

First the obvious - that the gold harp on a green field represents Ireland and 'without the crown' would indicate disconnection from the UK.

It was never an official flag of Ireland (although it is officially the flag of modern Leinster). From http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Flag-of-Northern-Ireland, I see: "A green flag featuring a harp was an older symbol of the nation of Ireland, dating back at least to Confederate Ireland and the pursuits of Owen Roe O'Neill from 1642. It was subsequently widely adopted by the Irish Volunteers and especially the United Irishmen." So basically a rebel flag, popular through the 1798 rebellion.

Was there ever a flag of the Irish harp with a crown (to symbolize Ireland as a province of Britain.)

Anyone have anything further on dating the chantey?
Ballad Index gives first printing as late as 1938 (Colcord). This is a surprise since she writes in 1924 of the Shenandoah's Capt. Murphy flying this flag as his own personal pennant. OK, The Shenandoah's was dismasted, stripped and made over into a barge in 1910. (NY Times online).

Yet the chantey appears to discuss the Shenandoah's in the present tense. That don't mean much historically but it's interesting.

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: NEW CD from Liam's Brother (Dan Milner)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 06:45 PM

There is a mention of a harp & crown on a green background used by what I think were, in effect, local militias in ireland in the 18 c.

click here

regards


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Subject: RE: NEW CD from Liam's Brother (Dan Milner)
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 10:39 PM

Abby and Martin, try this:

Click here

Scroll down to photo of harp and crown flag.


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Subject: RE: NEW CD from Liam's Brother (Dan Milner)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 03:11 AM

Lighter

Yep - same page

Regards


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Subject: RE: NEW CD from Liam's Brother (Dan Milner)
From: Abby Sale
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 05:35 PM

Hmmm. Thanks. I think.
:-)

It would appear from that site that it's a rebel flag with or without the crown.

Oi!


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