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NIGHT HERDING SONG


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Lay Down, Little Dogies [Woody Guthrie] (from The Nearly Complete Collection of Woody Guthrie Folk Songs)


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Subject: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: GUEST,stumd3
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 03:09 PM

Good afternoon,

I was wondering if anyone had the lyrics to the old cowboy song - "Lay Down Little Doggies" as sung by Logan Englich on his Guthrie record. I would love to start singing it and have lost my tape. Please email to stumd3@hotmail.com. Thank you VERY much in advance!

Stumd3


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Sorcha
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 04:16 PM

Is it the same as Night Herding song? Lay down little dogies quit movin' around, you've trodden and trampled all over the ground....If so, I have it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 06:09 PM

One set of lyrics in the DT (Night Herding Song). Pete Seeger recorded it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Sorcha
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 08:30 PM

Mine are slightly different. Not a lot though.


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Subject: Lyr Add: NIGHT-HERDING SONG (from John A. Lomax)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 09:32 PM

The composer of this song is known.

Lyr. Add: NIGHT-HERDING SONG
Harry Stephens, before 1909

Oh slow up, dogies, quit your roving round,
You have wandered and tramped all over the ground;
Oh, graze along, dogies, and feed kinda slow,
And don't forever be on the go-
Oh, move slow, dogies, move slow.

Refrain: Hi-oo, hi-oo, oo-oo.

I have circle-herded, trail-herded, night-herded, too,
But to keep you together, that's what I can't do;
My horse is leg-weary and I'm awful tired,
But if I let you get away I'm sure to get fired-
Bunch up, little dogies, bunch up.

Oh, say, little dogies, when you goin' to lay down
And quit this forever siftin' around?
My limbs are weary, my seat is sore;
Oh, lay down, dogies, like you've laid before-
Lay down, little dogies, lay down.

Oh, lay still, dogies, since you have laid down,
Stretch away out on the big open ground;
Snore loud, little dogies, and drown the wild sound
That will all go away when the day rolls round-
Lay still, little dogies, lay still.

Hi-oo, hi-oo, oo-oo
.......

First printed in John A. Lomax, 1910, "Cowboy Songs," pp. 324-325, without music or attribution.
Printed with music, Lomax and Lomax, 1938, "Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads," pp. 60-61. The refrain of the early printing deleted.
Note added in 1938: ""I made up this song while I was night-herding for the Wylie Company, Yellowstone Park." One morning in the spring of 1909 Harry leaned over the gate of my home on the campus of the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas and called to me: "Professor, I've come to say good-by. Grass is a-risin, and I've got to move on." Though afterwards he has often written to me, I have never seen him since. He has left behind him a beautiful "Night-Herding Song.""

Fife and Fife, 1969, "Cowboy and Western Songs," print it with different music and no attribution to Stephens; they cite Hendren 338 for the text and the melody to "Girls of the Golden West," Bluebird 5189B. Song 82, pp. 224-225.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 10:20 PM

Correction: Lomax did attribute the song to Stephens in the 1910 printing. Sorry for the mistake.

John I. White, 1975, "Git Along, Little Dogies" says the music apparently first appeared in 1928, in Ina Sires, "Songs of the Open Range," Birchard & Co., Boston.
White gives music, using the title "Move Slow, Dogies, Move Slow," transcribed by David Cohen from Harry Stephens singing on "Cowboy Songs, Ballads and Cattle Calls from Texas," Library of Congress Archive of Folk Song L 28, reproduced in Lingenfelter and Dwyer, 1968, "Songs of the American West."
In 1931, different music, along with different words, appeared in Margaret Larkin, "Singing Cowboy," without attribution.

Also reported by White, Vernon Dalhart made an imitation; "Cowboy's Herding Song- Lay Down Dogies," in 1927. White gives the first verse:

Oh, move slow, dogies, and lay down to rest,
The sun is a-sinkin' out there in the West.
Oh, move slow, dogies, stretch out on the ground,
And don't be forever trampin' around.
Move slow, dogies, move slow.
Hi-oh, hi-oh, hi-oh.
Victor 38455; Brunswick 138-A.

John I. White, 1975, "Git Along, Little Dogies," pp. 54-61, University of Illinois Press.

Larkin's "Night Herding Song" with different words is printed in "Singing Cowboy, A Book of Western Songs," collected and edited by Margaret Larkin, pp. 26-29, Alfred Knopf 1931, reprinted by Oak Publications, 1963. The music and words are presumably hers.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 10:45 PM

The words in Lomax and Lingenfelter and Dwyer are the same, but on the recording transcribed in the latter, Stephens varied the refrain from verse to verse.
1. Hi-yoo, hi-yoo-oo-oo,
Woo-oo-oo-oo-oo.
2. Yoo-oo-oo-oo-oo
Hey, cattle! Whoo-oop!
3. Hayyup, cattle! cattle!
Hi-yoo, hi-yoo-oo-oo.

The music is the same in Lingenfelter and Dwyer, and White; different from Larkin, and different from Lomax and Lomax.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 09:30 AM

A quick comment--"dogies" (there's a lobg o in there) comes from "dough guts", not from any connection with dogs.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:02 PM

Dogie comes from Spanish "Dogal," a motherless calf; an old vaquero term picked up by American cowboys.
According to Ramon F. Adams, during trail days, "when it was discovered that the northern range was good cow country, especially for fattening beef, there arose a demand for young animals. It became the usage to call them dogies, especially yearling steers, to distinguish them from steers that were fat enough for market."
The vaquero word, like many others, was picked up by the Anglo cowboys.

Adams also quotes the 'dough-guts' explanation, but the vaquero origin now seems to have the widest acceptance.
This has been explained in a couple of threads. For 'dogal,' see the excellent little booklet by Donald Gilbert y Chavez, published by the University of New Mexico, and put on the net. http://www.unm.edu/~gabbriel/index.html
Cowboys-Vaqueros
Go to Chapter 9, Lingo & Definitions.
Also see Ramon F. Adams, 1944(1956 revised), "Western Words," University of Oklahoma Press.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Mark Ross
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:33 PM

There is a Woody Guthrie song with those words.

Lay down little dogies lay down
We've both gotta sleep on the cold, cold ground,
The winds blowing colder and the sun's going down
So lay yourself down, little dogies lay down.

I'll think about for a couple of days and see if I can remember the verses. It's in the NEARLY COMPLETE WOODY GUTHRIE SONGBOOK pub. '63,
if anyone has a copy.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Reiver 2
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 01:37 PM

I have "The Woody Guthrie Songbook" (1976) but the song is not in it. I learned it from "A Treasury of Folk Songs" edited by Sylvia and John Kolb (1948). It has just 3 verses and does not give any credits as to its origin. I remember a recording by Cisco Houston. It's not in John and Alan Lomax's "Best Loved American Folk Songs" though there is a song in that book called "Git Along Little Dogies" -- a completely different song, though sometimes the two songs are confused. I have two 90 min. cassette tapes of the Library of Congress recordings of Woody Guthrie done in 1940 by Alan and Bess Lomax. It may be among those songs, but there is no printed index with the tapes and I don't have the time now to listen to all of them.

I'm glad that someone pointed out that the word is "dogies", with a long letter o, and that it's not about doggies. I believe Q's explanation of the origin of the word (Spanish for motherless calf) and picked up by cowboys from Mexican vaqueros is correct.

Riever 2


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:11 PM

At the start of all this, guest was asking for the Guthrie version as sung by Logan Englich(sp.?). I could find no cd by either Logan English or Logan Englich at Amazon.

Anyone have a list of Guthrie recordings? I checked a few sites but couldn't find this one listed for Guthrie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Lighter
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:52 PM

My Spanish Dictionary defines "dogal" as either a halter (for a horse) or as a hangman's noose. Is there any Spanish dictionary that says "dogal" is a word for "dogie"?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Nerd
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 03:03 PM

By the way, John Lomax did see Harry Stephens again. He recorded Stephens singing the Night Herding Song, and explaining it, for the Library of Congress during the 1940s. It appears on their "Cowboy Songs, Ballads and Cattle Calls" CD available from Rounder Records. I don't have the CD on me at the moment, so I don't know the exact date, but all the tracks were recorded between 1941 and 1948. Harry Stephens's speaking voice sounds just like John Wayne's!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Mark Ross
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 04:02 PM

Dogies comes from "dough guts", the was a motherless calf's belly looks when it hasn't been to suckle. At leas that's what I learned from Glenn Ohrlin.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 09:14 PM

Dogal in the sense of a motherless calf or a yearling could be Mexican Spanish. I only have the article my Gilbert y Chavez (he also gives the alternate meaning of a nose halter.
The general usage, regardless of origin, is for young animals; yearlings, as Ramon Adams says (see post above). Special handling cannot be afforded range cattle, especially on a drive.

The first time the word appeared in print was in 1888 in Central Magazine. It is in an inquiry by a farmer: "They were mostly Texas doughies- a name I have never seen written. it applies to young immigrant cattle." (OED). No indication of pronunciation, which depends on the syllable break- dou-ghies or dough-ies.

Adams, 1903, in his "Log of a Cowboy," p. 86, was the first real trail cowboy to use the word in print- "Before you could say Jack Robinson our dogies... were running in half a dozen different directions."
These obviously were animals able to eat the prairie grass, not little calfs needing special feeding.

"Dough-guts;" special treatment of this kind could only happen on a permanent site such as a fixed farm or ranch, but never on the trail.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 11:40 PM

Lyr. Add: GO SLOW DOGGIES
(or Doggie Lullaby)

Go slow, doggies, quit roamin' around,
You have wandered and trampled all over the ground;
Graze along, doggies, and feed kinder slow,
And don't forever be on the go.
Go slow, doggies, go slow.

Chorus or Wail
Hi-o-oh, Hi-o-oh, Hi-yo-ho,
Hi-ee-yo, Hi-oh. Hi-ooh.

I've circle herded, I've night herded,too,
And tuh keep yuh together, that's what I can't do;
My hoss is laig weary, and I'm dead tired,
But if you git away, I'm bound tuh get fired.
Bunch up, doggies, bunch up.

Chorus

Lay still, doggies, since yuh have layed down,
Yuh have tromped and yu've stomped all over this ground;
Snore loud, doggies, and drown the wild sound,
That will soon pass away when the night rolls 'round.
Snore loud, doggies, snore loud.

Chorus

With music. Sing slowly, no yodel ("if authenticity is to be preserved for posterity, then the present type of mushroom radio singers who yodel will have to be discountenanced..." Printed without attribution. Spellings preserved. Pp. 14-15, 1938, "Cowboy Songs," Powder River Jack H. Lee, Deer Lodge, Montana, 92 pp.; The McKee Printing Co., Butte, Montana.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Stewie
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 04:20 AM

Q, there is a Logan English discography on Stefan Wirz's excellent site. I don't think any of his LPs has made it to CD. The Guthrie one is listed there.

CLICK. This link won't go to the Logan English page. Click on the 'American Music' link at top of the page and scroll down to find English in the index.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Flash Company
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 09:44 AM

Mark Ross has the right song for the Logan English recording, I can't remember all the words, but it is typical Woody, with absolutely no C&W sentimentality. The last verse goes:-

It's soon now we'll come to the end of the trail,
Your hair hide and carcass to the stockyards I'll sell,
I'll see you in a tin can when you get shipped around,
So lay yourselves down, little dogies, lay down.

FC


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 01:42 PM

Wirz- An interesting site, Stewie. One I will have to go through at leisure.

I hope someone is able to post the Guthrie- English words to "Lay down..."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: bet
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 12:36 AM

Q, Thanks for the 1st set of words. It's been a while since I've done this song and need a quick refresher course.   bet


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Flash Company
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 09:44 AM

Been thinking about this one, I still manage it at my advanced age, so here is what I remember, Starts with the chorus :-

Lay down, little dogies lay down,
We've both got to sleep on the cold, cold ground,
The wind's getting colder as the sun's going down,
So lay yourselves down, little dogies lay down.

We started our beef trail 'bout six months ago,
We've blistered in the sun and we've froze in the snow,
It's soon now we'll come into packing-house town,
So lay yourselves down, little dogies lay down

CH

That bad hole of water we drunk and got sick,
Burned our insides, tied your tails up in kinks,
Got lost in a blind canyon, tippy-toeing around
So lay yourselves down, little dogies lay down.

CH

It's soon now we'll come to the end of our trail,
Your hair hide and carcass to the stockyard I'll sell,
I'll see you in a tin-can when you get shipped around,
So lay yourselves down, little dogies lay down.

CH

That is all I remember, there may have been another verse, but I can't visualise it. Can't help with chords and stuff like that, I'm just an ooold unaccomplished singer!

FC


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Mark Ross
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 10:46 AM

Thanks, Flash. I'd forgotten the words, I think you have them all.
Always did like that last verse.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Flash Company
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 11:07 AM

You're welcome, Mark. Nice to know that my memory is still working (sometimes!)

FC


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Subject: Lyr Add: LAY DOWN LITTLE DOGGIES (Woody Guthrie)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 12:12 AM

LAY DOWN LITTLE DOGGIES (sic) is sung by Arlo Guthrie on his album "Washington County," Reprise LP #6411, 1970, reissued as Koch International CD #7950, 1997. Authorship is credited to Woody Guthrie.

Lyrics below copied from http://arlo-guthrie-lyrics.wonderlyrics.com/Lay-Down-Little-Doggies.html

CHORUS: Lay down, little doggies, lay down.
We've both got to sleep on the cold, cold ground.
The wind's blowin' colder and the sun's goin' down.
Lay down, little doggies, lay down.

We hit this old beef-trail just two months ago.
We blistered in the sun and we froze in the snow.
In ten days we're comin' to a packing-house town,
So lay yourselves down, little doggies, lay down.

This Dodge City trail she's a hard road to go,
Up the Texas flatlands through old Mexico.
I got dust in my eyes and mud in my nose,
So lay yourselves down, little doggies, lay down. CHORUS

That bad hole of water we drunk and got sick,
Curled up out hair, tied our tails back in kinks.
We got lost in a blind canyon, tippy-toein' around,
So lay yourselves down, little doggies, lay down.

Here now we come to the end of our trail.
Your hair, hide, and carcass to the stockyards I sell.
I'll see you in a tin can when you get shipped around,
So lay yourselves down, little doggies, lay down. CHORUS


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Flash Company
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:09 AM

Hey Jim, the Dodge City verse is the one that I lost through the hole in my ozone layer. Recognise it as soon as I see it.
Thanks for filling the gap!

FC


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Rex
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 02:14 PM

Q, you certainly have a good library. You mention the top ones. Lomax, Larkin, White, Lee, even Adams. I too found Gilbert y Chavez to put together some fine work. Coincidentally, I was reading through Jack Lee's Cowboy Songs just yesterday. I had it on loan from the University of Montana. Signed by the author and Kitty! Whoop!

Rex


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 02:57 PM

Update: None of the heavy-duty Spanish dictionaries I've consulted (including a dictionary of Texas Spanish!) sees a connection between "dogie" and "dogal." Looking up "dogie" in the English-Spanish sections gives a descriptive phrase rather than "dogal"-related synonym.

No English dictionary, including the very latest (2003-2004) Oxford New American and Merriam-Webster Collegiate 11th Edition, offers "dogal" as an etymology.

The burden of proof is on those the claim that "dogie" comes from (Mexican-)Spanish "dogal." As far as I can tell, nobody has produced any evidence for it (other than plain assertion). Sure, it's conceivable, but that's not the same as true.

The consensus is that the derivation is unknown, though "dough-guts" and even "doggie" are mentioned (unenthusiastically, ISTM) as possibilities.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 04:26 PM

Lighter, I have written Mr Gilbert y Chavez asking for a source of verification for dogal = dogie.
As a mixed Anglo-Latino originally from New Mexico, I have heard this derivation, but never looked for it in writing.

There are a number of local uses in southwestern Spanish, and the old timers who descended from the original Spanish 17th-18th c. settlers, had words and constructions that are no longer in use. These usages are discussed in various scholarly papers, but often do not appear in the dictionaries. They were still heard up to WW2, but like the southern and rural dialects in the States, are almost gone. Everybody goes to school now and the old folks are dead.
I shake my head at responses to dialect material posted here; so many people think their unlettered ancestors spoke like Boston Brahmins or wealthy plantation owners.

Now the southwestern school kids who take Spanish learn modern Mexican usage (or their parents have emigrated from Mexico) and the old language-dialects have been lost.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 06:35 PM

Q, I'll be interested in what you learn. Meanwhile, here's a site that repeats the assertion, this time with an explanation of sorts. You're better qualified than I am to comment on its plausibility from the viewpoint of ranch work :

http://www.nationalcowboymuseum.org/g_corr_info.html

"Cowboys called motherless calves 'dogies.' The term came from the Spanish word "dogal," meaning a short rope used to keep a calf away from its mother while she was being milked."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 08:41 PM

Dictionary meanings- Dogal means halter of any kind (could be a rope). It also means a hangman's rope in one dictionary that I have. In some usages, it means to be in a tight spot.
The Museum gives no supporting information in their short definition.
Cowboy Museum

The National Cowboy Museum is a large, modern, attractive facility on a beautiful piece of property, with big cattle and oil money behind it. The staff, including research directors, is well-paid. I would like to see the exhibit on Vaquero rawhide braiding currently showing. Their magazine, "Persimmon Hill," is glossy, full color and professional, history, art, personages, - my daughter has a few, one I looked at recently features the history of the Hamley saddle.

At this website, don't miss the large collection of photographs of cowboys, 1880s- early 1900s!


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Subject: ADD Version: Lay Down, Little Dogies (Guthrie)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:35 AM

This is going to be a very close match to several of the versions posted above, but this is the actual Woody Guthrie version. It has six verses and a chorus - looks like some of the others are shorter.
-Joe Offer-


Lay Down, Little Dogies
(Words and Music by Woody Guthrie)

CHORUS
Lay down, little dogies, lay down.
We've both got to sleep on this cold, cold ground.
The wind's blowin' colder and the sun's goin' down.
So lay yourselves down, little dogies, lay down.

We hit this old beef trail just two months ago.
We blistered in the sun and we froze in the snow.
In ten days we'll come into packing house town,
So lay yourselves down, little dogies, lay down.
CHORUS

This Dodge City trail, she's a hard road to go,
Up these Texas flat plains from old Mexico;
I've got dust in my eyes, I got mud in my nose,
So lay yourselves down, little dogies, lay down.
CHORUS

We had not been gone out from Mexico long.
Till I took a left turn in the trail and went wrong:
You've hoofed the wrong road till a week's gone around,
So lay yourselves down, little dogies, lay down.
CHORUS

We'd not left that wrong road more'n three days behind
Till a windburnt cow gal caused me to go blind;
I lost a week showin' her those alkali grounds,
So lay yourselves down, little dogies, lay down.
CHORUS

That bad hole of water we drunk and got sick,
Curled up all our hairs, tied our tails up in kinks;
We got lost in a blind canyon tip—toeing around,
So lay yourselves down, little dogies. lay down.
CHORUS

It's here now we come to the end of our trail;
Your hair hide and carcass to the stockyard I sell;
I'll see you in a tin can when you get shipped around.
So lay yourselves down, little dogies, lay down.
CHORUS

from The [Nearly] Complete Collection of Woody Guthrie Folk Songs, Ludlow Music, 1963

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Here's the entry on the song from the Traditional Ballad Index:

Night Herding Song

DESCRIPTION: The tired cowboy advises the herd, "O slow up, dogies, quit your roving around, You've wandered and trampled all over the ground." He tells how, whatever method he uses, he can never keep the cattle still. He again urges the cattle to relax
AUTHOR: Harry Stephens
EARLIEST DATE: 1910 (Lomax)
KEYWORDS: cowboy work animal request
FOUND IN: US
REFERENCES (4 citations):
Lomax-FSNA 193, "Night Herding Song" (1 text, 1 tune)
Fife-Cowboy/West 82, "Night-Herding Song" (1 text, 1 tune)
Saffel-CowboyP, p. 214, "Night-Herding Song" (1 text)
DT, NITEHERD*

Roud #4444
RECORDINGS:
Pete Seeger, "Little Dogies" (on PeteSeeger09, PeteSeegerCD02)
Marc Williams, "Night Herding Song" (Brunswick 497, c. 1931; on MakeMe)
File: LoF193

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little dogies / doggies' ????
From: GUEST,stumd3
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:25 AM

Thank you all very much!! I appreciate all of the information. Thanks especially to Joe who emailed me!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little dogies / doggies' ????
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 01 Oct 07 - 12:55 PM

"Q" is spot on. If there were any "doggies" out there on the range, they were either helping herd or chase the dogies.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little dogies / doggies' ??
From: open mike
Date: 01 Oct 07 - 04:02 PM

another vaquero word (vaca is spanish for cow, so vaquero = cowboy)
which has come to be anglicized is Buckaroo....from the word vaquero

yeeee-hawww!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little dogies / doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Oct 07 - 05:11 PM

The link to the book "Cowboys-Vaqueros" by Donald Gilbert y Chavez is updated here (old link above now invalid).

This account of the origins of the Cowboy is now hosted by the New Mexican Hispanic Culture Preservation League. It includes history, a glossary, brands, saddle images, etc. Each of the 12 chapters, in pdf, is separately linked. Or go directly to Chapter One- Chapter One

Read and enjoy.

Cowboys Vaqueros


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little dogies / doggies' ????
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Oct 07 - 05:15 PM

How did Mudcat get in the second link??
Try again-
Chapter index


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Lay down little dogies / doggies' ??
From: emjay
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 12:33 AM

And that Hi-Yoo in the chorus is less a yodel which wouldn't have been authentic anyway. Yawn, musically. That's just what it is.   Open your mouth to yawn, and sing Hi-Yoo.


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