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Subject: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 20 Oct 04 - 11:57 AM Hi my name is Cindy and I desperately need help..the guys at tweeds board suggested I come over here and post my plea..This is legit it isn't a scam..if you go to www.helpjessica.com it will explain everything and tell you what you could do to help if you want to..thanks for your time cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:01 PM Have you thought of moving all of you to Canada? |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:05 PM yes we have tried canada and also new zealand but because of jess's problems no other country will take her *sigh* |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: wysiwyg Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:06 PM Welcome to Mudcat, Cindy. Folks, briefly-- Cindy's need is for people to write to officials (or your local congressional representative) to get Cindy's husband Russell into the US from Oz, because his separation from the family is deeply and adversely affecting their mentally ill/challenged daughter Jessica. CLICK HERE for details. Good luck, Cindy! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Metchosin Date: 20 Oct 04 - 12:15 PM sorry SRS, because of the pre-existing medical condition, under current immigration regulations, I believe it would be unlikely that they would be allowed in here. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 04 - 01:43 PM Yeah, that's pretty typical. I used to work at Ellis Island as a historian--the medical checks could be rigorous if they thought you were hiding something. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: katlaughing Date: 20 Oct 04 - 01:44 PM Good luck, Cindy. Things like this are NOT fair, but with thanksgivings for it all working out for the highest good of all concerned, our good thoughts, etc. may help. I'll also see about sending some emails to the links you've put up. kat |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:13 PM Sometimes the doings of bureaucracy really make your skin crawl, and this is one of them. Except it's not really just the bureaucrats, it's the politicians who have the power to cut through that stufff, and don't. And then they yammer on about "family values". It's a hard thing in this case to know whether to depise the Australians bureaucrats and politicians more, or the Americans. I would think the best chances are that the media in the States will recognise this for a powerful story, and that they can start a bandwagon that will shame some powerful politician who is running for office right now, so that they climb aboard. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Amos Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:26 PM Look, it would be simple enough to smuggle the bloke in -- hitch a ride over on a yacht and bring him in on a dark beach somewhere nearby by dinghy. Since he is legitimately a family member he can move in, get a license and the next thing you know he's living life like a citizen! A |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Oct 04 - 02:29 PM That wouldn't work - when you've a daughter with needs like that, and you have to organise the help, life gets too complicated to be hiding from the law. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Rasener Date: 20 Oct 04 - 03:02 PM Cindy I am so sorry to hear about the hell that you are going through. I have a 9 year old Autistic daugher who would be devastated if that happened to us. You have got to keep on fighting and fighting until somebody puts this injustice right. Won't Great Britain let you come here? People who don't have special needs children don't always understand the heartache that we have to go through to help our children. Keep strong. I wish I could help. Les Worrall |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Oct 04 - 03:07 PM I see that one of the links on Cindy's website is to the Managing Editor of what I take to be the local newspaper, the Reading Eagle - here is the paper's online edition, with a number of addresses and such. I don't think letters from over here in England would be much help, but maybe if people living nearer had a go, it might help give this story the legs it deserves, and get it some wider media attention at a time when politifians are feeling particularly vulnerable. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: open mike Date: 20 Oct 04 - 03:13 PM Worrell? Worrall? may be related...such a co-incidence. Is there a chance that an embassy or consulate might help? what other advocacy source could be approached? Child welfare society or something? Best wishes in your struggle..and I hope that you are able to achieve your goals. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,peedeecee Date: 20 Oct 04 - 03:13 PM I'm puzzled -- if Cindy is an American citizen, can she not sponsor her legal husband into the US? We do that in Canada. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Oct 04 - 03:26 PM And the other link Cindy guves is for Congressman Joe Pitts - here is his - "Constituent Service Page" I see that he specifically says there that he wants to help people "having a problem with the Internal Revenue Service or the Immigration and Naturalization Service", so obviously he would welcome getting letters from people asking him what he can do to help Jessica and her family. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 20 Oct 04 - 03:42 PM Can someone please turn this link blue? talkshows.about.com/library/extras/blmailoprah.htm Dear Cindy, My heart broke when I read the story of your family and your daughter. Please consider what McG of H has suggested: You need press on this. Have you tried Oprah Winfrey? She is a great lady and this is 'right up her alley'. (Also, I have fought for years to get the designation "mentally retarded" removed from every and any assessment document to do with one of my daughters. In every school for which I have taught, it was called "Special Education" when I arrived and "Special Needs Education" by the time I left. Get the 'retarded' re-labelled. Call it what it is--find another name for Jessica's condition.) |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Oct 04 - 03:45 PM brucie's link |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 20 Oct 04 - 03:46 PM Thanks, McG of H. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Oct 04 - 03:48 PM No it wasn't - but here it is: How To Contact Oprah Winfrey |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 20 Oct 04 - 03:49 PM You are beautiful. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Maryrrf Date: 20 Oct 04 - 04:28 PM I find this appalling. From what I understand about US immigration, yes, she could sponsor him as her legal husband but in this case he has a black mark (overstayed his visa, I think, or something like that) and they are turning him down. And it's terrible that Australia won't let the mother and daughter join the husband. This is obviously a family and they should be together, whatever the case. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 20 Oct 04 - 04:48 PM thank you all for all the suggestions...yesi have contacted the oprah show..the media the tv stations here and everyone i can think of with no luck..but maybe if others were to write it will make a differance..i think just one person doing this they don't pay attenation but with numbers they do...so please if you can find the time e-mail the links i have on the page weather or not you are in the states..it will make a differance in numbers...and no england or canada or new zealand will that jess...thank you all for all the responces ..a e-mail or two would be great also... cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Oct 04 - 04:54 PM Wait two weeks, everything may change. (This is, after all, ENTIRELY about politics). |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Oct 04 - 05:47 PM Wait two weeks and the politicians are all back in their jobs again, one way and another, and they lose that sense of urgency that is associated with being up for election, and involves being worried about stories in the paper that might show them up as gutless and heartless. Now is the time to push as hard as possible. More details might be helpful in writing any letters. If Cindy doesn't want them on the open forum, sending them in a PM would be an option. (Just click on the PM next to the name of anyone you'd like to send one to.) |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Jack the Sailor Date: 20 Oct 04 - 05:53 PM Have you tried talking to an immigration lawyer? It seems to me that you have a case. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,skipy Date: 20 Oct 04 - 06:14 PM There is no way I can help you with this but sincere "Good Luck" - fight on with all the might you can muster, I look forward to seeing a thread that says that you have achieved your goal. Skipy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Sorcha Date: 20 Oct 04 - 07:53 PM I've sent e mails. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 20 Oct 04 - 08:50 PM We need as many American Mudcatters as possible to send supportive e-mails. Please. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 20 Oct 04 - 08:53 PM I am going to add my voice also. I know it may not mean much to an American politician coming from a Canadian, but at least the people we e-mail will know it's known about internationally. Any others gonna help? |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Sorcha Date: 20 Oct 04 - 09:26 PM I already have, Bruce. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Bobert Date: 20 Oct 04 - 10:03 PM The best people to contact are your *own* Representatives and Senators. When I read this at Tweeds, I printed a copy and made more copies to send to Senator Byrd, Sen Reockerfeller and Reprresentatine Capito, all of Wes Ginny... Again, please contact *your* reps... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,Boab Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:15 AM Mrs Worrel; Yours is a heartrending story. We all feel pretty helpless against powerful cliques who make great play about asking "god" for guidance in their daily lives. Be certain in the knowledge that there are many, many thousands who are hoping for a happy ending for you and your family, and many more who would be likewise if they were to be informed. I'm sure I am not alone in using e-mail as you have asked in furtherance of your cause. May the God of Love comfort you and yours, and guide powerful forces on the right path. Boab |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:43 AM "When I read this at Tweeds" What's "Tweeds"? More details than we've had here, such as names, are really needed to help in writing in support. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 21 Oct 04 - 06:40 AM McGrath of H...I also have this posted at tweedsblues message board one of their members that is also a member here suggested I post here also said you guys were great...and they were right i have gotten more responce and help here then i ever expected....russell, jess and I thank you all so much.. cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Ellenpoly Date: 21 Oct 04 - 06:44 AM I've also sent an e-mail to Oprah. It's amazing that so many people now look to her to be a voice for the disenfranchised. Best of luck. ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 21 Oct 04 - 07:23 AM If you don't know who your reps. is or how to e-mail them thereis a link on Jess's page..that if you put in your zip code it will look it up for you...I didn't know who mine was and had to look it up..*S* and for those that are outside the US i suggest e-mailing my rep.Pitts I have contacted Oprah 2 times myself..cool there is always strength in numbers...again thank you all so very much... cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 21 Oct 04 - 08:13 AM McGrath of H...here is more info..things i have done by myself..is this the kind of info you wanted we hired a attorney here to write a appeal (even though we have a lawyer he can only do the legal stuff he can in no way try to put pressure on the government to do anything) since i have been back i have written endless letters and have made phone calls i have written to every senator and congressman that has either sponsored or co-sponsored any type of immagration bill in the bast 2 yrs. i have written to the president, vice president every presidental candiate, secretarty of state powell, to channel 10,15,69,15(these are the stations we get here) the governer , readding eagle news paper, federation for american immigration reform,lutheran immg. & refugee services, american civil liberties union,oprah winfrey show,montel williams show,maury show, INS(immigration & nationalation service) ombudsman khatri, att. general ashcroft, rev. jesse jackson, LIRS (this is suppose to be about childrens rights),ACLJ,ACLU..the only responces i have received beside there is nothing we can do it from cong. trent franks,senator arlen spector and congressmanjoe pitts and all they say is all we can do is to see where in line the paperwork is and how long it will be before a decission is made and they cann't even give me a answer on that..i talk to brian ant cong franks office and nicholas at pitts office but they are little to no help...since we have been back i have letters from drs. counslors, teachers, social workers stating that jess is in crisis..that her mind can not take nor understand what has happened..and if something isn't done she will crack and have to be put in a instituation..which will end up being perminitt that this is a medical emergency and that jess is in crisis..*crying* sorry i can not let this happen..in essentce the government is trying to make me choice between my husband who is the love of my life and my daughter who is my life...this goes beyond *hardship* that they say we have to prove this is *inhumane* this is why i decieded to start posting on message boards..by myself i have gotten no where hoping there is strength in numbers...is our only hope.....cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 21 Oct 04 - 10:13 AM More info...they have denied Russell's application once so we are appealing that decission right now our appeal is before the AAU(adminastrative(sorry my spelling sucks)appeals unit) there is no way to contact them directly that i have been able to find you have to go through a senator or congressperson and they can contact the AAU...sorry i cann't think of all the info at one time...my mind is rather scattered lately... cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Oct 04 - 01:14 PM Just been over to have a look at tweedsblues (which I hadn't come across before - looks fun) - and here is a link to the thread there: This one IS real and maybe some of guys in the States can help! |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,US Date: 21 Oct 04 - 03:29 PM I sympathize with you but why is the government responsible for your problem? The government can't do everything for everybody. Ubcle Sam |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 21 Oct 04 - 04:05 PM I will tell you and i do understand that they cann't do everything for everybody..but the fact is that the government has given people with disabilities certain rights...2 of them are that they have the right to live and be educated in the *least restrictive environment* i have medical reports and reports from teachers and social workers that agree that she is so traumatised by the seperation from her father that if it is not rectified soon she will have to be instutionalized and that WOULD NOT BE the *least restrictive envirorment* so by the government not allowing her father to join us here the government is ignoring her rights so there for it is the governments FAULT. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Oct 04 - 04:11 PM The humane US government is only doing its duty in splitting thid family up, by refusing permission for Jessica's father to join her and her mother Cindy, after the equally humane Austrralian government forced them to leave Australia because fourteen year old Jessica has a disability, and isn't an Australian citizen. That really must make Uncle Sam proud to live in such a family-loving country. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,US Date: 21 Oct 04 - 04:13 PM I don't want to add to your difficulties or make you feel bad but the visa thing was a violation and it seems to be the reason he is separated from you. Is the government responsible for that? Uncle Sam |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 21 Oct 04 - 04:17 PM GUEST, US: There is a child involved in the issue. You are a voice being so in tune with your perception of correctness that you have no humanity. This lady is not blaming government. She is asking for help for her child. Please, keep your arguments for another time. Let's work the problem and help the kid. Later, we can all help you blame the adults. Bruce Murdoch |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 21 Oct 04 - 04:42 PM Russsell knows he messed up and would have no problem taking responsibility for his mess up but because of jess and what it is doing to her we are asking for the waiver that is available for such things...you are more then entitled to your opinion... cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Oct 04 - 05:44 PM Strikes me that even from the point of view of trying to save the US Government money, letting Jessica's father in makes a hell of a lot of sense. If keeping this family divided means that Jessica isn't able to live an ordinary life as possible out in the community, that is going to cost a whole lot more money. I think most people would see that as the least important reason that would be a bad thing, but it's a pretty good knock down argument for anyone who sees monetary cost as the deciding factor. I think those of us who have close family members with the kind of difficulties Jessica has can probably appreciate pretty clearly what a terrible thing has been done to her, and continues to be done to her, by the bureaucracies of the two countries involved. I hope that as many of us as possible will find a way to bring this to the attention of people who can undo the damage. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 21 Oct 04 - 07:03 PM Hear, hear. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Oct 04 - 07:54 PM It occurs to me, that with all this internecine squabbling over your election in the States that's been going on recently (and ongoing), this would be one thing where people with different political preferences could pull together, to try to get this family together again. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Deda Date: 21 Oct 04 - 09:40 PM I have sent an email to my Colorado rep in the US Senate, Mark Udall, asking that he lend you his voice and support. FYI. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Ellenpoly Date: 22 Oct 04 - 04:53 AM Sadly, I do think it's likely that your problem is going to be lost in the shuffle with the politicians running in the coming elections. If it's possible to wait until the smoke clears sometime after November 2nd (and it is going to be a very messy right after that day) it might be to your advantage. Once we know who is going to be running the country, it might be easier to gain some attention for your situation. I really do think that the chances are better for you if you can interest the media in any way possible. Like it or not, it's the media that now holds enormous power towards which people and what stories get attention. The last thing I'd like to suggest is having to put your child in the spotlight at a time when she and you are already under so much pressure, but I do know how these things often work in the States, and if you can get a journalist interested in your story, you might be able to put some public weight behind your request for a visa waiver. The one thing that Guest US said, which is true, is that the government has a lot on it's plate. You need them to start to have your story take up enough room on that plate for them to act. ..xx..e (PS-Start small; if you have a local paper which will run an article, that can be your foothold towards getting wider attention. Even letters to the editor (and forgive me, but I'd advise you to have someone check your spelling so you can be as effective as possible) that you can get published, can then be forwared to other publications and TV and radio stations. It's about making your "cause" seem as legitimate as possible.) |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Juan P-B Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:54 AM Might it help if you pointed out that.... If your husband is there with you, working and supporting you financially AND paying US taxes instead of the US Government paying for your daughter's care in an (God help me for using this term) institution then he would actually be SAVING the US Gov money!!! - Heaven knows what 3rd world country they could invade with the money they'd save Juan P-B |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 22 Oct 04 - 10:54 AM I have been working on this for 11 months now..I think I have corrected most of the problems..thank you... We have tried to point that out..that it would be saving the government money but so far they haven't responded to anything we have said..*sigh* I have sent 20 e-mails and a few more letters today..to newspapers,more tv channels, a few columnist,...again thank you everyone for everything you are doing for us..today is Jessica's 15 birthday...*S* it is a bitter sweet day for her..she is happy it is her birthday but so very sad her dad isn't here to be with her... |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Oct 04 - 11:34 AM Happy Birthday, Jessica! We've just been out today with my wife's father, Charlie, and he's 93 today. So he sends birthday wishes to. (We went to see a film called "Five Children and It", all about wishes being granted. Including birthday wishes.) |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 22 Oct 04 - 12:54 PM Jessica says thank you..and happy birthday to charlie...cool movie..but i not telling what i wished for cause then it won't come true...*serious look*.... |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 22 Oct 04 - 02:27 PM HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JESSICA. We love you, sweetheart, and your daddy loves you and misses you very much. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: wysiwyg Date: 22 Oct 04 - 02:50 PM Happy Birthday Jessica! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Juan P-B Date: 22 Oct 04 - 03:43 PM HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESSICA I'm not a prayin' man myself but I have a 'tame' nun who is sending one up for you and your Dad & Mum. Bless you all Juan P-B |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST Date: 22 Oct 04 - 03:54 PM Sagecw, my heart goes out to you, Jess and your husband. I told my (English) husband about your situation, and he suggested you write to the Queen of England. He says that as the Queen is - officially - the Australian Head of State, she has the authority to over-rule them on a matter like this. Perhaps it's a long shot, but it can't hurt to try... Even if she can't over-rule them, if she decides to try to help in some way - or even just mention it - it's bound to generate LOADS of publicity - which can only help your cause, I think. I asked my husband whether he thought it would be better for you to write, or for people to write on your behalf - he thinks it would be better if you wrote yourself. I expect the best thing would be for you AND others to write to the Queen. I suggest that you let us know when you have written her, so that we can allow time for your letter to reach her before ours do. Here is her address: Her Majesty the Queen Buckingham Palace London U.K. (According to my husband, that's all the address you need!) Good luck to all of you... and Many Happy Returns (literally) to Jessica! |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Tannywheeler Date: 22 Oct 04 - 06:52 PM Sorry about all of us who keep telling you to reinvent the wheel. Our minds boggle and we jump in with both feet AT THE BEGINNING, when you're already halfway down the road, but we're workin' on it. Many more Happy (and happier) Birthdays, Jessica. When you think you've come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and HANG ON. Lots of us out here looking for a way. A Path will be found. Tw |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Sorcha Date: 22 Oct 04 - 07:42 PM Yo, Jess, Happy Birthday from Wyoming! I'm doing what I can to help you get your dad back. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 22 Oct 04 - 08:05 PM Link to Jessica's birthday thread |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,US Date: 23 Oct 04 - 12:06 AM Cindy please explain why you left the US, the circumstances and what happened to your US citizenship? Uncle Sam |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: katlaughing Date: 23 Oct 04 - 12:20 AM I don't know if it will help at all, but I have a personal contact at the Maury Povitch show, or at least last time I heard from an "adopted" daughter (one of my girls' best friends in school) she was still working as an assoc. producer. I will see if I can reach her and ask her to take a look at this. I used to be an op/ed writer. Wrote about a few other "horror" stories similar to yours, one even included an Australian father who was deported back to Oz from WY. The government seems to move very slowly on such matters, but many voices can have an effect. May we all raise our voices in support of Jessica and her parents. In thanks giving for the perfect outworking of this situation for the highest good of all concerned, kat |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Oct 04 - 06:13 AM Uncle Sam - Cindy's already explained that Russell had had to leave the States because he'd over stayed his visa, and the family were planning to live in Australia; then the Australian authorities decided that since Jessica was disabled they didn't want to have any future responsibility for her, and the fact that she had been born in the States gave them an opportunity to get rid of her. And now the US authorities won't allow Russell to immigrate because he broke the rules last time by overstaying his visa. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 23 Oct 04 - 08:06 AM kat...thank you so much ..I know a few other people including myself that has contacted the Maury show...if your (adopted) daughter still works there wow that would be almost to good to hope for...we are hoping that with a lot of voices telling our situation will make government take notice..well it sure cann't hurt. could you please keep us informed if you are able to contact your (adopted) daughter. thanks again for everything... McGrath...thanks... everyone...jessica was sooooooooo excited seeing all the birthday wishes to her here on the internet...she thinks she is famous now *LOL* (like hillary duff her most favorite singer) cause all you know her and her name is on the internet..thats my girl..*S* |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: jacqui.c Date: 23 Oct 04 - 09:08 AM Kendall here. Write to resident Bush, he is always chirping about family values. How about "60 Minutes"?? |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Tannywheeler Date: 23 Oct 04 - 11:55 AM Other Texas 'Catters -- I've got Lloyd Doggett's office infoed. Write your reps in D.C. and tell 'em to help Rep. Pitts in PA goose the system. Doggett and his office are usually pretty responsive, and attentive. I tried to make the point that this has zip to do with the election -- for Jessica's health, SPEED is important. Tw |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,US Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:16 PM MGrath, I read the website and what I got from it was they left the US to live in Australia. Australia would not take them so they moved back. Then the husband's Visa expired. I can't figure out why he had a visa if he was a citizen of the US and did not emigrate to Australia. Even if he did, he would still be a US citizen. Uncle Sam |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:31 PM Noone has even suggested that Russell is a US citizen. Of he had been obviously there wouldn't have been any problem in him overstaying on his visa? US citizens don't yet need visas to live in their own country. He's an Australian with an American daughter, who isn't allowed to live in Australia because of her disabiity and the Australian authorities, and he can't come to join her in America because of the American authorities. Comprendez? |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: fiddler Date: 23 Oct 04 - 02:32 PM Cindy, I live and Work in Reading UK, praps a bit of accross the pond publicity and pressure might go along way. Local parliamentarians her include some prominent members form all sides of the house. Papers may see it as a good story - or may not then they can shame the US of A in to doing something about it. Nothing may come of it but if we don't try then nothing will definitely come of it. Andy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,US Date: 23 Oct 04 - 03:14 PM McGrath If he was here on a Visa, why did he let his Visa expire? Uncle Sam |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Oct 04 - 04:04 PM The real question is, why should anyone think that kind of thing is any kind of reason to break up a family and damage a child with serious disabilities, by depriving her of her father, with consequences that can't be calculated? |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: katlaughing Date: 23 Oct 04 - 04:09 PM Cindy, I have just sent an email of to my friend/*daughter*. I will keep you posted on what I hear. She is an associate producer so I hope it catches her eye and she will be able to help in some way. Good wishes are yours, kat |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 23 Oct 04 - 04:44 PM GUEST,US, visas expire sometimes for any number of reasons, and the person who holds the visa doesn't always have any power to prevent that from happening. It's the responsibility of the visa holder to leave the country before the visa expires (if they have not been able to get it renewed), but it's not always an easy thing to do. US immigration law is a very complicated thing, and there's just no way you're going to understand it here in this thread, so you might as well not even try. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Oct 04 - 06:21 PM Here's what Cindy wrote a few posts ago - I think it deserves to be read again. I tidied it up bit with the spelling and that, and I hope she won't mind that - I think it's a very eloquent and moving piece, and spaced out a bit it's easier to read. I think if you think what is involved in this, it's a document to make us feel humble: We hired an attorney here to write an appeal, but even though we have a lawyer, he can only do the legal stuff. He has told me he can in no way try to put pressure on the government to do anything. Since I have been back I have written endless letters and have made phone calls. I have written to every senator and congressman that has either sponsored or co-sponsored any type of immigration bill in the last 2 years. I have written to the President and to the Vice President I have written to every presidential candidate, I have written to Secretary of State Powell, I have written to the Governer of Pennsylvania, I have written to the Reading Eagle newspaper. I have written to the Oprah Winfrey show, the Montel Williams show, the Maury show, I have written to channel 10,15,69,15 (these are the stations we get here) I have written to the Federation for American Immigration Reform I have written to the Lutheran Immigration. & Refugee services, I have written to the Immigration and Naturalization Service I have written to the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman Prakash I. Khatri I have written to Attorney General Ashcroft, I have written to Rev. Jesse Jackson, I have written to the American Center for Law & Justice I have written to the American Civil Liberties Union, The only responses I have received beside "There is nothing we can do" were from Congressman Trent Franks, from Senator Arlen Spector and from Congressman Joe Potts. But all they say is "All we can do is to see where in line the paperwork is and how long it will be before a decision is made" And they can't even give me a answer on that. I talk to Brian at Congressman Frank's office and I talk to Nicholas at Congressman Potts' office, but they are little to no help... Since we have been back I have letters from Doctors, I have letters from Counsellors, I have letters from Teachers, I have letters from Social Workers, They say that that Jess is in crisis,. They say that that her mind cannot take nor understand what has happened, They say that, if something isn't done she will crack and she will have to be put in a institution which will end up being permanent. Thay say that this is a medical emergency and that Jess is in crisis. *crying* Sorry, I cannot let this happen. In essence the government is trying to make me choose between my husband who is the love of my life and my daughter, who is my life. This goes beyond the hardship that they say we have to prove. This is inhumane. This is why I decided to start posting on message boards. By myself I have gotten nowhere. The hope that there is strength in numbers...is our only hope.. Cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Sorcha Date: 23 Oct 04 - 07:43 PM Sounds like a damn good song. Anybody mailed John McCutcheon with this? His is a powerful voice...I'll go and do it... |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Oct 04 - 08:54 PM Sounds like a damn good song. Yes, that's what I thought too. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 24 Oct 04 - 09:58 AM *Kendall*....Yes I have written both.... *TW*...Thar is exactly right JESSICA is the point.... *fiddler*...great idea go for it..nothing ventured nothing gained right?...*S* *kat*...awesome..yes please keep me informed.. *mcGrath*...no problem..thanks for fixig up my post...*S* *Sorcha*...sorry who is..*John McCutcheon*? thank you all soooooooo much you have lifted our spirts and given us hope again... cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:32 AM McGrath of Harlow ... received responce to the letter I sent..*sorry nothing I can do*...I should be use to that by now but *sigh* thanks for the suggestion though it was worth the try.. cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Oct 04 - 09:49 AM You may be used to that by now, and obviously you are - but it must still feel like a slap in the face every time. And then you get back up. There's a lady like you in St Luke's Gospel: "In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men. And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, 'Grant me justice against my adversary.' "For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, 'Even though I don't fear God or care about men, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won't eventually wear me out with her coming!' " |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:29 AM Cindy, You have some really good people in your corner. Keep that in mind, and this ain't something we'll let go. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 25 Oct 04 - 11:27 AM McGrath of Harlow....wow...I'm not a real big bible reader..but that really hit me between the eyes...thank you sooooooo much.. brucie..there sure are, more then I ever expected...I am thankful everyday for you guy... each and everyone of you.... cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 25 Oct 04 - 12:28 PM See if Jessica wants to say hello here. Love to hear from her. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Sorcha Date: 25 Oct 04 - 12:33 PM John McCutcheon's pages |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 25 Oct 04 - 01:23 PM Sorcha ..thanks for the link....did you say something about contacting him right?? brucie....will talk to jess when she gets home...*S* |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Sorcha Date: 25 Oct 04 - 01:32 PM Yes, I've e mailed him. He writes great songs about stuff like this. Powerful voice in the music community for social activism. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 25 Oct 04 - 02:50 PM Sorcha....great...never hurts to tell people....then they can deciede what if anything they want to do...jess loves music...that is her escape (so to say)...thanks |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Oct 04 - 03:00 PM Reading through Cindy's post about all she's done, it struck me that it's really in the form of a litany, if you change the order of the phrases a little - so here it is, laid out that way, as a kind of chant: We hired an attorney here to write an appeal but he has told me He can only do the legal stuff he has told me He can in no way try to put pressure on the government to do anything, he has told me.. Since I have been back I have written endless letters Since I have been back I have made phone calls. to every senator and congressman that has sponsored any type of immigration bill in the last 2 years I have written to the President and to the Vice President I have written to every presidential candidate, I have written to Secretary of State Powell, I have written to the Governer of Pennsylvania, I have written to the Reading Eagle newspaper I have written. to the Oprah Winfrey show, the Montel Williams show, the Maury show, I have written to channel 10,15,69,15 I have written to all the stations we get here I have written to the Federation for American Immigration Reform I have written to the Lutheran Immigration. & Refugee services, I have written to the Immigration and Naturalization Service I have written to the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman Prakash I. Khatri I have written to Attorney General Ashcroft, I have written to Rev. Jesse Jackson, I have written to the American Center for Law & Justice I have written to the American Civil Liberties Union, I have written "There is nothing we can do" , that's what they tell me. "There is nothing we can do" , that's what they tell me. And Congressman Trent Franks, that's what he told me, And Senator Arlen Spector, that's what he told me, And Congressman Joe Potts that's what he told me. "All we can do is to see where in line the paperwork is and how long it will be before a decision is made" – that's what they told me. And they can't even give me an answer on that. And at Congressman Frank's office I talk to Brian, And at Congressman Potts' office I talk to Nicholas, but they are little to no help – that's what they've shown me. Since we have been back I have letters from Doctors in white coats, I have letters and from Counsellors in suits I have letters, and from Teachers out of school, I have letters and from Social Workers too I have letters. They say that that Jess is in crisis, that's what they tell me And her mind cannot take nor understand what has happened, that's what they tell me And if something isn't done she will crack, that's what they tell me and she will have to be put in a institution which will end up being permanent, that's what they tell me And this is a medical emergency and Jess is in crisis – they don't need to tell me. *crying* Sorry, I cannot let this happen. In essence the government is trying to make me choose between my husband who is the love of my life they're trying to make me choose and my daughter, who is my life, they're trying to male me choose And they say we have to prove that there is hardship, And I say this goes beyond just hardship. This is inhumane. This isn't human. This is why I decided to start posting on message boards, and I keep on writing By myself I have gotten nowhere, but I keep on writing The hope that there is strength in numbers ...is our only hope. Keep on writing. Keep on writing. Help me keep on fighting. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 25 Oct 04 - 03:30 PM McGrath of Harlow.........I am totally and completely speachless...that is so awesome what you have done...it is beyond wonderful... |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 25 Oct 04 - 03:37 PM McG of H: I just stood up to applaud you, fellow. You are one beautiful guy. Bruce Murdoch |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Bassic Date: 25 Oct 04 - 03:48 PM Wow! |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Blowzabella Date: 25 Oct 04 - 04:28 PM McGrath - that is an astonishingly moving piece of work - and I know that the building bricks were all there - but you've put them together in such a way.... |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Oct 04 - 04:31 PM It's a bit like shining a light on something that's already there, so people can see it. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: M.Ted Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:55 PM Here are three important places that you should be in touch with: For assistance with your immigration issues: Pennsylvania Immigration Resource Center For support, advice, and assistance with your daughterÕs special needs problems: check the website, Parent to Parent of PA but call their office at 1-800-986-4550 so that they can connect you with people right away-- More assistance, support, and explanation related to your immigration and related issues (including social services stuff) Nationalities Service Center Next, forget about the Oprah and all the other publicity/TV stuff for now, that is stuff is strictly entertainment, and for every hard luck story that gets covered, there are literally thousands that donÕt--you canÕt afford to invest time in long shot stuff when there is other, necessary work to be done-- Next, follow up with your congressman and Senators, make phone contact with the person from their office that responded to you, and keep them up to date on what is happening--donÕt expect too much, too fast, from them--but keep in mind that, when you have all your ducks in a row, a letter or other inquiry from them can make the difference-- Next, go back and read every letter that everyone sent to you--there may be some information or offers of help that you missed on the first reading-- Next, hunker down and get ready for the long haul, because these things often take a while to resolve--get your daughter into the programs that she needs and is entitled to for her special needs--and forget this kind of thinking: ÒRussell's continued absence is likely to be so devastating to Jessica that she will be institutionalized where she would be cared for by strangers, and not her parents. The effect of this would be permanent, and it would certainly seal her fate.Ó It isnÕt true, and it isnÕt going to happen unless you make it happen--I know the situation is difficult, and not the one that you want, but kids have a greater capacity to adjust to difficult situations than we give them credit for (they are actually a lot better at it than adults)--just hand in there yourself, and sheÕll be right there with you-- And, by the way, donÕt let the fact that nothing has happened yet discourage you--the wheels move very slowly, but eventually, they move, and in time, you will win--- |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: M.Ted Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:19 PM I meant "just hang in there"-- |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Sorcha Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:31 PM Kevin, how wonderful art thy works.... |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: YorkshireYankee Date: 26 Oct 04 - 09:07 AM Kevin, how wonderfully works thy art! sagecw, I just have to say how much I admire you for your incredible spirit and determination, for not giving up the fight for your daughter, and for your moving example of (as Hemingway would put it) grace under pressure. You are an inspiration. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,laoise feerick Date: 26 Oct 04 - 10:19 AM This is my first exposure to Cindy and Jessica's problem and I haven't had the time to fully digest it but I must remind people that her problem is NOT THAT UNUSUAL. You'd think the U.S. would want nice, english speaking folks from Oz or England to come join their married families but due to the fact that the rules vary for potential immigrants according to what country they are from... it's never a simple case of "oh well, why did you overstay your Visa?" Often, people have applied for extensions, hearings are set but those hearings are scheduled for AFTER the expiration date and so on. Do you leave and not wait for the hearing, wait but be in technical violation, etc? I've had several friends with spouses from England, Ireland and Australia face this problem and it's never simple - even when no violations have taken place. This Family's problem is NOT merely one of Immigration law it is one of Human Rights and I shall take a little time to try and gather some links for them to Mental Health Advocacy groups who might be better equipt to argue her child's case. Since the issue seems to be getting her hubbie HERE..perhaps the people who put her in this position in the first place, The Aussie Government, might have a vested interest in trying to help Russell Emmigrate. After all, if they didn't want his daughter, perhaps they'll help him join her in The States. For whatever reason Russell overstayed his VISA...in the post-9/11 wolrd.. that is considered reason enough to make his family suffer, I am afraid. However, I think if the right people really hear this woman out, they will do what they can for her. At the very least, I'd like to see this gal and her child get some much needed support from organizations designed to advocate for children such as her daughter. They are so isolated right now. I'll be back with some links , hopefully later in the day. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Leadfingers Date: 26 Oct 04 - 12:38 PM I hope we get all these things sorted out after the Revolution !! |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Leadfingers Date: 26 Oct 04 - 12:39 PM And Ted would probably agree !! |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 26 Oct 04 - 07:36 PM Hi, Jessica, We hope you are well and happy after your birthday. What kind of music do you like? It would be great to hear from you if you could write sometime with your mom. There are people here from all over the world, and we'd love to hear from you. brucie |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Tannywheeler Date: 27 Oct 04 - 03:08 PM OK, McG. Prayer is Prayer. And bein' poetry doesn't hurt. Rep. Lloyd Doggett has been put in the loop. His office will get a copy of the Litany. Tw P.S. I tried posting this on Sunday when I read that fine "edit" job you'd done on Cindy's posts. Somehow it wound up on the Getaway 2004 thread. Let's keep after it. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 27 Oct 04 - 03:53 PM hi this is jess...i like music to the movie freaky friday and hillary duff...i am ok but i miss my dad...i want my family back together..how are you bye going to listen to my music now bye jess |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 27 Oct 04 - 05:02 PM Hi Jessica! I'm glad you're writing to us here in the Mudcat. I hope you get your Dad back soon, too. Dads are very important. (And mothers too.) My favorite music is circus music. I like to play it on my accordion. Have fun listening to your music! Carol |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Oct 04 - 06:02 PM There's some circus music on this page - Woodman Circus (go to the bottom of the page and there the tunes are). And there's a walking tiger. And a bit of information I never knew, which it might be as well to know: "Circus bands never play John Philip Sousa's Stars and Stripes Forever as a part of their regular program. It is reserved for emergency use. If an animal gets loose, a high wind threatens the tent, or a fire breaks out, the band plays the march as warning signal to every worker on the circus lot that something is wrong." They don't have the Stars and Stripes Forever on that page, but here it is - so if you're at the circus and hear it, you've been warned... |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 27 Oct 04 - 11:13 PM Thank you for telling us, Jessica. I am a musician--at least I used to be. I don't know what freaky Friday is, but I bet it's really cool. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: katlaughing Date: 28 Oct 04 - 12:36 AM I am sorry to say I have heard from my friend at the Maury show. She read the letter and apologises, but it is not the type of subject they use for their shows. I knew it was a long shot, anyway, but still had some hope. I am really sorry. I hope some of the Congresspeople come through. kat |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Oct 04 - 08:37 AM "Freaky Friday" - fun movie. Here is the offiial website. It says it has a link to the sound track, but that didn't work for me. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Oct 04 - 09:11 AM And here's a modified version of what I posted earlier. A Litany for Jessica "In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men. And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, 'Grant me justice' "For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, 'Even though I don't fear God or care about men, yet this widow keeps bothering me. I will see that she gets justice, so that she won't eventually wear me out with her coming!' "We hired an attorney here to write us an appeal" but he has told me He's the kind of lawyer who can only do the legal stuff he has told me And he can in no way try to press the government to do anything to help me That's what he told me Since I have been back I have written endless letters Since I have been back I have called so many times. To the senators and congressmen who've sponsored immigration bills I have written to the President and to the Vice President I have written to every presidential candidate, I have written to Secretary of State Colin Powell, I have written to the Governer of Pennsylvania, I have written. Since I have been back I have written endless letters Since I have been back I have called so many times. To the Reading Eagle newspaper I have written. to the Oprah Winfrey show, the Montel Williams show, the Maury Povich show, I have written to channel 10,15,69,15 I have written to all the stations we get here I have written. Since I have been back I have written endless letters Since I have been back I have called so many times. To the Federation for American Immigration Reform I have written to the Lutheran Immigration & Refugee services, I have written to the Immigration and Naturalization Service I have written to the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman Prakash I. Khatri I have written. Since I have been back I have written endless letters Since I have been back I have called so many times. To Attorney General Ashcroft, I have written to Rev. Jesse Jackson, I have written to the American Center for Law & Justice I have written to the American Civil Liberties Union, I have written Since I have been back I have written endless letters Since I have been back I have called so many times. "There is nothing we can do" , that's what they tell me. "There is nothing we can do" , that's what they tell me. And Congressman Trent Franks, here's what he told me, And Senator Arlen Spector, here's 's what he told me, And Congressman Joe Pitts here's what he told me. "All we can do is to see where in line the paperwork is and how long it will be before a decision is made" – "All we can do is to see where in line the paperwork is and how long it will be before a decision is made" – that's what they told me. And they can't even give me an answer on that. And at Congressman Frank's office I talk to Brian, And at Congressman Pitts' office I talk to Nicholas, but they've nothing to say that helps – that's what they've shown me. Since I have been back I have written endless letters Since I have been back I have called so many times. Since we have been back I have letters from Doctors in white coats, I have letters and from Counsellors in suits I have letters, and from Teachers out of school, I have letters and from Social Workers too I have letters. They say that that Jess is in crisis, that's what they tell me And her mind cannot take nor understand what has happened, that's what they tell me And if something isn't done she will crack, that's what they tell me and she will have to be put in a institution, which will end up being permanent, that's what they tell me And this is a medical emergency and Jess is in crisis – they don't need to tell me. *crying* Sorry, I cannot let this happen. The government is trying to make me choose between my husband who is the love of my life they're trying to make me choose and my daughter, who is my life, they're trying to make me choose And they say we have to prove that there is hardship, And I say this goes beyond just hardship. This is inhumane. This isn't human. This is why I decided to start posting on message boards, and I keep on writing By myself I have gotten nowhere, but I keep on writing The hope that there is strength in numbers ...is our only hope. The hope that there is strength in numbers ...that is our only hope. Keep on writing. Keep on writing. Help me keep on fighting. Help me keep on fighting Since I have been back I have written endless letters Since I have been back I have called so many times. Please will you help me. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 28 Oct 04 - 10:27 AM kat...yes we knew it was a long shot thanks so much for trying...we will just have to keep on plugging along...again thanks so much... cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 28 Oct 04 - 10:31 AM M.Ted....thanks for the suggestions...i contacted PA immigrations..but they only deal with detaines...still waiting to here back from parent to parent and Nationalities Service Center... cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 28 Oct 04 - 04:47 PM this is jess..my mom said a musican plays something...what...the girl on freaky friday plays the guitar...i like that.. jess |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 28 Oct 04 - 05:28 PM Hi Jess. Guitars are great. Does the girl on Freaky Friday sing, too? Carol |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Oct 04 - 07:11 PM She does too, and not bad either - and if you click on that link I gave to - "the official site"here, and then on the bar saying "Check out the Freaky Friday Soundtrack" (with the Audio button at the end of the line turned to "on"), you get the track list - and number three down is ""What I Like About You" with a video click. But don't click it without turning down the volume if someone is trying to get to sleep next door! Good stuff. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 29 Oct 04 - 01:27 AM Hey, Jessica. How are you? I listened to some of the Freaky Friday site. Coooooool. Hope you are doing well, kiddo. from Bruce in Alberta, Canada. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,A Curious Stanger Date: 29 Oct 04 - 02:38 PM Hi Cindy, I have been following this thread and have read your website. Not meaning to sound rude or ignorant, but why is it exactly that your daughter may need to be institutionalized for life if her father is not here? Also, what kind of medical therapies has she had to reduce behavior issues? I am assuming that if her need is severe that medical treatment has been required. In addition, how often does Jessica talk to her father on the phone? What is her behavior like after she speaks to him? A Curious Bystander |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Oct 04 - 04:07 PM If Curious Stranger would register as a member it would be possible for this kind of thing to be discussed by PM, which might be more appropriate and less intrusive. But the judgement that this is what might happen, if things aren't sorted out, appears to be that of a number of professional workers who are involved. And if you think that kind of thing doesn't happen, Curious, perhaps you do not haver much experience about the way services are all too often organised, or about the impact of stressful circumstances on very vulnerable people. Which makes you quite lucky really. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 29 Oct 04 - 04:11 PM I agree that the various questions posed by CS would be more aptly handled by message. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Sttaw Legend Date: 29 Oct 04 - 04:34 PM Curious Stranger I have also been following the endeavours of individuals trying to help people in need, who knows where it may lead. If you have not experienced professionals playing with paperwork and red tape in these circumstances it is very difficult to comprehend. It is indeed good advise to join and PM with any questions I'm sure you'll get them answered. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,Curious Stranger Date: 29 Oct 04 - 04:45 PM From my perspective, I see a woman asking for help in a public forum for her daughter. In order to attain appropriate assistance more information means more power, power in Jessica's corner. How is one to find help without all the facts? My identity really is of no issue. I am a respectful individual who has enough insight (and time spent here) to know that certain people become defensive quickly. My intentions are good and prompting towards further exploration of options for Cindy and her family. Of course there is red tape, and lots of it. I am simply curious, especially the comments about lifetime placement and what road has been taken that would end with this option. The Curious Stranger |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 29 Oct 04 - 05:04 PM The problem CS is that in order to answer your questions in the open forum, she would need to post information that she might not want everyone who has access to this forum to see. I surely wouldn't blame her if this is the case. If you really think you can help, you might try sending her a PM with your offer of help. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Oct 04 - 06:16 PM "My identity really is of no issue." Of course. I think you misunderstand, Curious. Joining as a member does not involved revealing your identity, and nor should it. The point is, it enables you to send and receive Personal Messages ("PM"s), and that can be a better way of exploring things at times. That was the reason I suggested that registering as a member might be a good idea. How much information Cindy chooses to share with us on this open forum is purely her own decision. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: The Curious Stranger Date: 29 Oct 04 - 07:09 PM Okay McGrath, now I can PM or be PM'd. I still think that if someone is asking for help from ANYONE, then details are necessary. If only snippets of the information are provided in the forum in which one is seeking help, how can help truly be found? How much information Cindy chooses to share with us is definately of her own decidings, however the more pertinent information, the more likely help is to be found. I understand the last few posts about PMing but I think it would be most helpful if Cindy would please post a little more information here, for those of us who are looking to assist. The Curious Stranger |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Oct 04 - 07:48 PM Welcome to the Mudcat Curious Stranger (nice Mudcat name), and thanks for not being huffy about joining. Sometimes people do get uptight when advised to join, and feel it as a kind of pressure. It's just that it makes things easier, with stuff like PMs (and it also means no one can post using your name, which they can while you are a GUEST.) There's a fair amount of the necessary information on this thread and on the help Jessica website given earlier. The full details will already, of course, be with the people who are tasked with making the decision on the appeal for Jessica's father, Russell Worrell, to be allowed to join his wife and daughter, who are living in the town of Reading in Pennsylvania, after having to leave Australia 10 months ago, because the authorities there refused to allow them to stay, because of Jessica's diagnosis, and the future care implications. The reason given for Russell's immigration problem is that when in the States previously, he overstayed his visa. And we know from Cindy that the various professionals involved - doctors, teachers, counsellors and social workers - are concerned that the enforceed absence of her father is having a serious effect on the mental and developmental welfare of Jessica. I'd say that is enough to enable people to write letters advocating on behalf of the family, and to motivate them to do so. If Cindy feels that more information would be helpful, and would not in some way cause difficulties, she will no doubt post it. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 29 Oct 04 - 10:13 PM |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 30 Oct 04 - 09:07 AM CS...hi this is cindy...what exactly is it you would like to know...what i have asked for is help my the way of e-mails/writing or calls to reps. to make them aware of jessica's story...the more people that are aware the better chance we have in getting this problem resolved...one voice is rarely heard we are hoping that there will be strength in numbers...saying that there needs to be something done to help jessica/family...jessica is getting all the help that is humanely possible trying to help her deal with the sistuation..drs. counsclors. social workers...ect...but all this help is not helping..she is unable to deal with all this in her mind...the problem needs to be resolved is her only hope... cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 31 Oct 04 - 09:41 AM Jessica wanted to say *HAPPY HALLOWEEN* to everyone |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 31 Oct 04 - 11:23 AM You both need to return to a UK country - even Canada or NewZealand. The UK socialized medical establishment will take care of even non-legal immigrants without insurance.
You have narrowed your thinking into believing that their is only one way out of the box you believe you are in.
Return to your husband
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 31 Oct 04 - 11:44 AM I know gang - lets do the Jerry Springer Show!
You can then speak your case - and I can speak the things they won't let me post here.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 31 Oct 04 - 01:27 PM HAPPY HALLOWEEN Jessica! |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 31 Oct 04 - 01:39 PM Happy Halloween, Jessica. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Ellenpoly Date: 31 Oct 04 - 01:41 PM Happy Halloween Jessica!! What are you going to be dressed as this year? ..xx..ellen |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Oct 04 - 01:58 PM Why don't you start up a Jerry Springer thread, Gargoyle? And post stuff that doesn't really fit in this thread there? I'd start it off for you, honest, but I'm off on a trip to Venice for the next week. But I'm sure you know how to do it. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 31 Oct 04 - 02:29 PM Greg knows. Whether or not he will is another thing. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 31 Oct 04 - 11:51 PM Sorry about my Roma insinuations (in the deleted threads) based on current best wishes for a pagan holiday....my guess is the gathering of this peculiar clan is Wiccan.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Nov 04 - 05:07 AM Racist posts generally get deleted, so why should he feign surprise? |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Tannywheeler Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:44 AM Jessica and Cindy, Happy All Saints' Day. Chins up. Tw |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 01 Nov 04 - 02:39 PM My guess, Mr Golgart, is that you have little compassion for people. Develop some. Soon. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 01 Nov 04 - 03:24 PM I was a nurse...didn't do it for long...wasn't much fun without my dad..i'm going to go listen to my music...backstreet boys today...bye...jessica |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Joybell Date: 01 Nov 04 - 08:23 PM So horrible that this could happen. As an Australian married to an American/Australian (newly naturalized) I feel so sad that both of our countries are behaving this way. I remember that New Zealand does show compassion in cases like yours, Cindy. Have you tried them? Our thoughts are with you too, along with all these others. Joy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:34 PM I'm getting good material - so lets try again. (more gargoyle/guest postings to this thread have been deleted - than any other thread in MC history.)
PLEASE Re-Consider your current thinking. You are "trapped" in an emotional-box. Look outside what you percieve as limitations. You are stuck on "only one solution" to a "problem" that could offer multiple opportunities to the child, yourself, and the spouse.
Go to another UK country....they all have socialistic medical legislation, and are required to provide services to even ill-legal-immigrants. I would suggest Canada or New Zealand.
Move to China.
Have you considered some of the South American countries...ie Peru ....live transition into Bolevia and return the same day.
Focus on your, and your spouse's, positive attributes - create a resume - sell yourselves to a Russian corporation with health benefits.
In short - leave the U.S.A. - we have enough free-loading - blood suckers - (it doesn't matter the color of your eyes or skin) enough is enough!!!!
VOTE KERRY - secure the American fronier.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:02 PM Geeze, Greg, is the traffic from Los Coyotes getting to you? Bad view from the back window? Get help, man. Get help. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 02 Nov 04 - 09:08 AM gargoyle....you said and i quote *leave the U.S.A. - we have enough free-loading - blood suckers -* you are entitled to your view...but Jessica and I aren't going anywhere...remember if my husband isn't able to join us HERE...your TAX DOLLARS will be supporting me and Jessica and ALL HER SPECIAL NEEDS...thanks for your support because you will be giving it to us either way... cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 02 Nov 04 - 11:35 AM Dear Cindy, Gargoyle has a reputation to uphold. He's somewhat insecure and very offensive. He likes to be that way because he feels it makes him macho--and he desperately needs to be macho. Just ignore him. He isn't all that bright; he's simply hate-filled. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: katlaughing Date: 02 Nov 04 - 11:49 AM Just a refresher folks: In Cindy's second post in the beginning of this thread, she said, "yes we have tried canada and also new zealand but because of jess's problems no other country will take her." (My emphasis.) |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: LilyFestre Date: 02 Nov 04 - 04:59 PM While the poster may have been out of line, that particular kind of response makes my stomach turn. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: LilyFestre Date: 02 Nov 04 - 05:10 PM Cindy, While I am sympathetic to your cause, your last post about the US tax dollars taking care of all your daughter's needs is in direct contrast to your website which states, and I quote: "We don't want the government to take care of our daughter; we want to care for her ourselves." But your most recent post states: "remember if my husband isn't able to join us HERE...your TAX DOLLARS will be supporting me and Jessica and ALL HER SPECIAL NEEDS...thanks for your support because you will be giving it to us either way..." What gives? Should it matter if your husband is here as to whether the tax payers of this country support your daughter? Since you have referred to him as a wonderful father, I am making the HUGE assumption that he is helping to support both you and your daughter even though he can't be with you at this time. I'm sorry but something stinks to high heavens here.... Michelle |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 02 Nov 04 - 06:46 PM Cindy has never asked for money. Her remark--and if that had been directed at you with venom and hatred, you might have answered that way from frustration--was a simple statement about what the state may cause to happen. I don't agree that something "stinks to high heavens here". Other than the letter of the law taking the place of common sense. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 02 Nov 04 - 10:33 PM Dearest, most veneral Brucie:
(My previous two threads of the day deleted by the "clone") Prey - tell ---"Other than the letter of the law taking the place of common sense."
Would/Could you reitterate?
Some personal entity, or clone - does NOT want a dissently voice within this thread....
Mr. Bruce - I'm NOT asking for a tepid quotation from Martin Luther's 95 (which was deleted this weekend)
Inquiring minds want to know your distillation of "common sense."
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 02 Nov 04 - 11:19 PM "Cindy has never asked for money. Her remark--and if that had been directed at you with venom and hatred, you might have answered that way from frustration--was a simple statement about what the state may cause to happen. I don't agree that something "stinks to high heavens here". Other than the letter of the law taking the place of common sense." There, Gargoyle, I have reiterated. However, I think you wanted me to restate that as opposed to repeat that. It makes good sense to keep a family together. The law which is being enforced concerns a visa overstay. In the grand scheme of things that's not a really big deal. I know it is wrong, but hell, you live in a country that has had mass pardons for people who have entered the country illegally. Look at the following site: www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm or Google President Clinton's Pardons, January 2001 Look at the list and the crimes. Does the Australian's offense rank up there with the stuff that Clinton pardoned? Last, I am aware that we grate each other's nerves. You want to pick on someone, pick on me. Leave Cindy and Jessica alone. Hell, I will trade veiled, thinly-veiled or outright vitriolic comments with you. The lady don't need the hassle. She and her daughter have enough on their plate, and it is beneath you to add to the load. What you say to and about her just isn't fair. I think you should back off. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 03 Nov 04 - 12:58 AM The problem, LilyFestre, is that if Jessica's condition continues to deteriorate because of her father's absence, there is a real possibility that she will have to be institutionalized, possibly permanently. If Cindy and her husband can't afford the cost of institutionalization, the public will have to pay for it. Cindy and Russell would much rather care for Jessica themselves at home, and that is why they are working so hard to get the family back together again... to prevent Jessica from requiring institutionalization, and to keep their family together, as it should be. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 03 Nov 04 - 06:30 AM I am sorry i made that post because i was upset at gargolye..of course he is helping support her...again i am sorry ...it was just a reaction to a post...i will be quite now...and wait till i make anymore post... cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Bo Vandenberg Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:42 AM The only stone I can think of that may be left unturned is medical. Try to get Jessica's situation reviewed by as reputable a medical body as you can. Local universities or training colleges come to mind. If you can justify and rejustify the medical link - post some medical opinions on your website - you might lend more authority to your plight. Also if your husband has a job waiting for him, get a letter from the business that needs his skills. Try to show a complete web of success except for the missing piece of red tape. That will improve the appeal of your case - everyone loves helping success. I wish you luck from here in Canada, Sigurd |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: LilyFestre Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:09 PM Listen, I haven't said that families don't belong together or anything but when someone makes such a statement about the taxpayers paying for her daughter's care one way or another kind of ruffles my feathers....and THAT is asking for money, even though it is indirectly. I think that those who legitimately seek help is vastly different from those who feel "entitled." Yes, there is an entitlement (by US Law) and I personally feel that help is a grand thing....it's the attitude that is bothersome to me. I knew some would have issues with what I wrote, but those are my thoughts. I do wish them the best of luck and hope the family can be reunited. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Bo Vandenberg Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:48 PM Hi Michelle, My sense of it was that Cindy was looking at the whole situation, not asking for money. The scenarios where a single mother cannot take care of a challenged child all by herself are many. Reuniting a family to give it more resources to take care of its own seems like good financial policy for the government. I think that is what was intended. Institutional care might last for the next 80+ years and it is certainly not a mother's wish for her daughter. Everybody wants Jessica to have the best chance at happiness including the country that calls her citizen. Sigurd |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: LilyFestre Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:52 PM CarolC, Aren't you curious about why it is that she would have to be institutionalized? I see that someone asked about it and personally, I am curious too. If her mother has cared for her for over a year now without the father, the rate of decline is what? I would think the initial trauma of Russell not being there would have been incredibly difficult for both mother and daughter...but with the passing of time and getting accustomed to a new routine, how does that end in institional care? I'm a bit confused I guess. I'm not suggesting that the separation is easy for anyone involved in the situation....not at all. I've PM'd Cindy and we've discussed her post and my response....I guess her response is the only one that I'm interested in. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:51 PM Cindy, Are you hearing anything back from anyone? |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,US Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:59 PM Have you tried John Kerry? He said he can fix everything. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:01 PM Well, that's a neat idea. Sure as heck Bush can't. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:31 PM LilyFestre, Cindy and I have been in contact via e-mail. I have some information about her situation and Jessica's. I am trying to help in the ways I am most able. I understand your feelings, but I think that they are based on a misunderstanding about the post of Cindy's that you are having a probelm with. I know that you have been in a similar emotional state to what Cindy is most certainly experiencing right now. I know that you know it is possible to reach a level of dispair and stress so great that not everything you say comes out the way you would want if you were not under so much stress. I have had such experiences myself, and I definitely know what she is going through emotionally. Because of that, I choose to not be judgemental if, from time to time, she expresses herself in a way that is more emotional than reasoned. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:33 PM LilyFestre, I too have written back and forth with Cindy. Carol is correct in what she says. Bruce M |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:13 AM bruce...i am sorry to say i have hear nothing from anyone..*sigh* cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:31 AM Folks who are gonna try--have been trying to help this family: We have got to get organized. Would those of you who are going to HELP please beging to post here so we can maybe meet in chat at a given hour on a given day and get our stuff together? We need a plan. We also need a good organizer--maybe McG of H or Carol? (Don't mean to slight anyone, and I am not trying to avoid doing any work--but I am not all that organized myself. Cindy, hope this is OK with you, and you'll have to be there too. Bruce M |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:50 PM I'm a terrible organizer. If you guys get something figured out, let me know and if I can, I'll try to join you. I warn you though, I am terrible with chat situations. They go too fast for me. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: LilyFestre Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:26 PM Ok guys, My situation is nothing like Cindy's. I am not judging anyone, only trying to learn more. I have spent the last 10 years of my life working with children/families in crisis and was interested in knowing more in order to further assist. Yep, the comment regarding something along the lines of too bad...your tax dollars are going to pay for my daughter's care unless I get what I want...sat wrong with me, and frankly, it still does. It's of no matter. She is right, the US government will pay for whatever her daughter needs and that's fine.....it's well deserved....the attitude is what sticks out more than anything. CarolC, I have to say once again, that Veronica's situation couldn't be further from what Jessica is going through. One has parents who love her and want what is best for her....the other just doesn't. I could go on, but what's the point? Good luck Cindy. The infamous know-it-all clan has turned away yet another person who had every good intention at heart. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:27 PM sure you tell me where and when and i will be there cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:44 PM LilyFestre, I didn't say that Veronica's situation is anything like Jessicas. What I said was that you have experienced a similar emotional state to what Cindy is experiencing. My own son's situation was not the same as Jessica's, but my emotional state was pretty much just the same as Cindy's. The emotional state is the pretty much the same for all of us when someone we love beyond life is being threatened by forces over which we have no control. The feelings of helplessness, the feelings of isolation when there is no help to be had from those who are given the job of protecting children at risk, the feelings of abject fear for the object of our love, wanting to be able to do something about it... to fix it, and not being able to do so. The feelings are the same, even if the circumstances are not. I know this from my own experience. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:06 PM Aplogies for gargoyle, to Cindy and anyone else reading this and sharing my sense of disgust. There are some people built like that, but fortunately not that many. Ignore him. And I will do so from this point on. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: LilyFestre Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:51 PM CarolC, Yes, you are right and I am wrong. I misread the post. I can't say one way or the other if you and Cindy and I share the same feelings as I think those are unique to each individual. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:58 PM I understand, LilyFestre. My only point was that I think Cindy ought to be cut some slack if, in the highly distressed and stressed out state she is experiencing right now, she snaps when she finds herself being tormented by someone like Gargoyle, and gives an emotional rsponse rather than a purely rational one. I'm sure you can understand that. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:36 PM As the truth comes into light - how quickly - the spiders scurry back to the darkness.
Its been over 24 hours - lets see if this zombee can resurrect. (With eight gargoyle postings deleted to this thread - (and who knows how many other's alternate-view postings) perhaps, with a little effort (and the clones taking a night off) some REAL discussion of a "wife's place being with her husband" can occur.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:20 PM OK, there's the guy we all know and love. What can you do to help, G? |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: DaveA Date: 06 Nov 04 - 08:29 AM I have to say that I find myself a bit confused about the heat that this thread has raised. After all, as far as I can make out, Cindy is not a Mudcatter but rather someone who has been pointed in our direction as a (dare I say it) lobby group that may further publicise her predicament. OK, as long as we recognise that as what it is. I am an Aussie with absolutely no time for the current Government & it's policies re the admittance of "boat people" etc but it has to be said that anyone seeking residence in Australia is naive in the extreme if they do not make themselves aware of what the current policy is. Similarly, anyone overstaying their entrance visa to the US in the post 7/11 world is plain stupid. I have a daughter who admittedly is now adult but I cannot imagine I would have been so short sighted as to have placed her long term welfare at such risk as is the case here. One problem I have with modern society is the concept of "victim" & the automatic absolution of all failings if that title is claimed. The Twelve Step Group I have belonged to for 16 years suggests that when we accept that the consequences of our actions are our own responsibility we have a chance to change things. And finally, perhaps we should have a look at a very relevant song in the Digital Tradition. It's by Tom Lehrer & called "The Folk Song Army" Dave |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: CarolC Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:06 AM Problem is, DaveA, it's not Russell who will be the victim. It will Jessica who will suffer the most. Whether or not you like what people are doing to help Jessica in principle, we will continue to do it. You don't have to help if you don't want to. I don't see what you hope to accomplish by sniping though. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 06 Nov 04 - 03:05 PM If this was a tangle that involved just Cindy and her husband, I would feel much as DaveA does with regard to the adults involved. Do the crime, do the time. However, it is not just about them. This is about a fifteen-year-old girl who has special needs, and a system that has lost sight of her. The law may be on the side of government bureaucracy; justice must be on the side of the child. Even if it was Gargoyle's child I would feel the same and I would be wanting to help. This is not about the parents. It's about Jessica, and that will continue to be my focus. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 06 Nov 04 - 06:41 PM Cindy, I hope the above post didn't sound offensive. Such was not my intent, OK? |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 07 Nov 04 - 07:13 AM bruce...its ok..no problem cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: GUEST,Festus Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:22 AM Ain't nobody helpin' cause the husband let his Visa expar. Why'd he do thait? Fes |
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Subject: BS: A family divided From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Nov 04 - 09:57 AM There are two different things seem to be happening on this thread. There are some people who are trying to help a family in a very difficult siutuation, and a child with problems that threaten her future. And there are some people who are throwing up various reasons why they don't want to help, or why there isn't any reason to help. So why don't the people who don't want to help, or don't think it's a situation where anybody should try to help, just start up another thread arguing that kind of stuff back and forth? That's a serious suggestion, and one that in no way interferes with or threatens to interfere with your freedom to say what you want to. You go on thinking other people are wasting their time, if you choose to, but please don't waste your own time doing that here. I can't be friendlier than that, can I? See you on the music threads some time. Or, if you start that other thread, maybe I'll come on over and argue with you there. But it seems to me that this just isn't the right place to do it. Incidentally I think the title on this one might be better switched to something like the one I've given it. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Rasener Date: 07 Nov 04 - 03:38 PM Good on yer McGrath of Harlow. Anybody that doesn't have a special needs child, doesn't always understand the anguish those parents have to go through. "So why don't the people who don't want to help, or don't think it's a situation where anybody should try to help, just start up another thread arguing that kind of stuff back and forth?" Yes sod off and start another thread - this is all about a poor little girl who hasn't got her dad to support her and is going through hell. If you can't understand that, then you are a disgrace. Enough said. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Com Seangan Date: 07 Nov 04 - 03:56 PM Gee. I only looked in out of lousy curiosity and I am overwhelmed by the amount of sincere and caring people on this site. God bless you Cindy and all the good people who show concern and support. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:49 PM Cindy, Have you heard at all from that congressman in the 16th (?) district? |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: sagecw Date: 09 Nov 04 - 06:39 AM bruce....I contacted congressman trent the other day..they are inquiring into where in the line our paperwork is but i haven't heard back from him yet..but no one has contacted me at all.. cindy |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Nov 04 - 08:28 AM I think they would probably only be starting to come down from their Election Night high. Maybe letters or faxes (rather than emails)to Congressman Pitts congratulating him on getting elected might be the way to go - "and could you do something to help this family". From Googling around it appears that he makes great play on being be strong on family values, and I can't thing of a clearer case than this to demonstrate that kind of concern. (And if anyone wants to argue about that, go start that other thread, and we can do that there.) And I'm not being sarcastic here - this business with Jessica and her family seems to me to be just the kind of situation where political disagreements just have no place whatsoever. Right wing politicians, in my experience, can often be very energetic in acting as advocates for individual constituents who are up against bureaucracy. (Though I don't think that letters to him from across the Atlantic would help too much.) Congressional District 16, Pennsylvania: Joseph R. Pitts(Republican) - 181,799 64.45% Lois K. Herr (Democrat) 97,076 34.41% William Robert Hagen (Green) 3,212 1.14% Total 282,087 |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: Peace Date: 09 Nov 04 - 09:18 PM Cindy, that is good news. It isn't great news, YET, but it is good news. Keep hoping, and give Jessica a big hug from all of us. Bruce Pennsylvania catters: where are y'all. These gals need your help. Twenty minutes of your time. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Nov 04 - 08:03 PM This thread is getting a bit long, and the heading has done it's work for now - it's gathered some people who have a shared concern for seeingthis family allowed to get back together again. So Cindy agreed it might be a good idea to move over to a new thread, Jessica and the Bureaucrats. That can be somewhere where news about any new developments can be posted, so people who want to help can keep up to date, and make suggestions, And we can say hullo to Jess. |
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Subject: RE: MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HELP From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Nov 04 - 08:06 PM So please let this thread drift away off the page, now the new one is posted. Cindy asked me to do it, because things are quite busy for her right now. Some good things, some not so good. |
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