BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 11:15 AM

Three pence (8 cents US) off a litre, petrol (gasoline) and diesel, today !

Cor !

We don't know we're born, in the UK, do we, kids ?

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 12:15 AM

Dubai Ports World wanted management of the P&O facilities in the U. S. as past of their takeover of the British P&O company, which managed some 22 ports in the U. S.
Takeover of the P&O interests in the U. S. was blocked. The Dubai company, Dubai Ports World, sold the P&O holdings in the U. S. to the American International Group, specifically its Global Investment Group.

Whatever management company operates the ports also assumes most of the security operations; this is practice at most world ports.

Last November, Dubai Ports World offered shares on the market. The initial $5 billion offering was sold out. DPW has received the contract to build a new container port for China in Qingdao.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: pdq
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:00 PM

Small point for two posts back: Abu Dhabi and Dubai are both members of the United Arab Emirates. They are the best known of seven semi-independant monarchies. Dubai was the one that wanted our port security contract.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 08:44 PM

General Motors, through its Liberty Automobiles Company in Abu Dhabi and the Emirates, is investing DH. 350 million to expand to meet the phenomenal growth in sales in the region- they market Cadillac, Hummer and Opel (their German make, many models) in the region. They are expanding their spare parts plant at Jebel Ali.

The biggest GM news:
1. They are signing a contract with Brazil's Navistar to supply 420,000 diesel motors to GM's Brazilian operation.

2. General Motors is teaming up with Con. Edison, and Duke Power, to create a broad market for electric cars. Some 30 utility companies across the U. S. and Canada are being enlisted.

3. Their new model Camero will be released this Fall.

General Motors is NOT moving to Abu Dhabi.

(A Dubai fund, Boston Properties, and Goldman Sachs, bought the GM Building in NY for $2.8 billion from owner Harry Macklowe; that building has not been owned by GM for many years although they had offices there (moving to Citigroup properties)).

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 06:15 PM

Its official:

General Motors is moving to Abu Dabe.
Don't say that the terrorists won or that Arabs now build your Buick.
IT was bad enough when someone said that Bush sold control of our ports to the Arab Emerites.

Lets just say they needed the capital and they didn't care where it came from.



7+ years ago I stared a thread that said the USA Loses the War!

Nothing says loser like watching the big three go down one after another.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Gurney
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 06:06 PM

Here in NZ the price of petrol has begun to fall, driven by decreasing demand and lower oil prices, they say.

Now, the price of CHEESE is still rising, having doubled in the last year! Since we produce a disproportionate amount of the stuff, that bears watching.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 02:26 PM

Americans have not built the high costs into their manufacturing, supply and transportation yet, but Europeans have learned to cope with prices that have been at $4.00 plus levels for years.

Looking at July 1 pump prices (Oil at about $142/bbl.):

United States- $4.00 (federal taxes $0.49/gallon)
Japan-         $4.72
India-         $4.79
Canada-       $5.09 (taxes $1.26 base; increasing in the following)
Ireland-       $7.38
UK-            $8.71
France-       $8.78
Germany-       $8.98
Netherlands-   $10.08 (taxes $5.57/gallon)

Those who pay less are mostly subsidized.

Venezuela-    $0.25
Iran-          $0.41
Mexico-       $2.54
China-         $2.84
Russia         $3.79   

New York Times, June 29, 2008, Business Section; Bill Marsh.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 10:47 AM

Lets keep our heads and let the authorities handle it. Afterall our great President used to be an oilman, so when he says drill, you should say how deep.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Mr Happy
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 08:49 AM

On UK news today, it was announced that 2 of the premier British supermarkets are planning to slash their petrol prices by up to 5p per litre

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 08:46 AM

"Truck transport was badly hit"

Aussie Owner Driver truckies are hurting so badly that they are talking about a 2 week minimum strike, with the possibility of a blockade as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 09:42 PM

If Obama gets in, there will be no gasoline at all.

(That statement is just as ridiculous as the one posted by Bert).

The price will continue to be determined by supply and demand and, to a lesser extent, market forecasts.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Bert
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 08:57 PM

Of course if a Republican gets in again we can look forward to $8.00.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 08:48 PM

Less talked about is the effect of fuel prices on goods transported by air. Many perishables such as cut flowers, fresh seafood, etc., are carried by air transport, as well as all sorts of consumer products.
Many of the products sold on the internet arrive by air, computers to clothes to toys, books and DVDs. Local stores must fill orders promptly or lose customers, hence their inventory comes more and more by air. The customer wants his order delivered quickly.
I phoned in an order for a printer to NY on Friday, received it in western Canada on Monday. Like many, I have come to expect fast service.
Transport prices are going up, and this will hurt the mail order business first, but consumer resistance may soon be a problem in all business. That could lead to serious recession.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 08:24 PM

I think individuals are complaining unnecessarily, since the cost of gasoline pretty well parallels the rise in all prices over the last ten years- pdq is correct.
The sudden shift upwards in the last year caught suppliers and distributors in a bind, since they figure their profits based on the costs for the past period. They have had to reduce profit, sometimes to a negative figure, because the buyer won't pay more. Truck transport was badly hit. Increases are being passed on to the consumer, but not in a smooth way.

The province of Alberta, because of the increased revenue based on oil and gas tax percentages, predicted a surplus of some $2 billion but that has ballooned to some $20 billion, which we hope, perhaps vainly, will be spent on infrastructure such as hospitals, schools, etc.

Western Canada, as the No. 1 supplier of petroleum and natural gas to the States, is prosperous- people complain about prices, but only those at the base of the income scale worry about gasoline pump prices, which here in Calgary are at the equivalent of $5.30 per gallon.
This coming winter, the jump in natural gas prices may hit home. Home and office heating is something that is hard to cut back here in the great white north.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: pdq
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 07:54 PM

I took the price of gas in 1980 as a base and added 4% per year for the last 27 years. That is a compounded increase.

4% a year is approximately the "cost of living" increase mandated for social programs by the federal government.

The price of $1.59 US dollars per US gallon became $4.58. That is actually a bit higher than the $4.10 level we now see on a national basis.

The new figure does not take into account the sharp drop in the US dollar as far as the exchange rate with foreign currency. The US dollar is the standard used in oil trading throughout the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 07:41 PM

WE in Australia are paying $1.90 a litre for diesel= $8.55 a gallon and you are crying poe yanks

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 05:10 PM

Last night when I got home, the wife reminded me it was our anniversary and she expected me to take her out to some place expensive. So, I took her to a gas station.

My buddy's joke. I gave up the real expensive part yeras ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 04:25 PM

It's interesting to read a thread that started a while ago, with Bill D boasting that he hasn't paid $2 a gellon for gas yet. I'll bet he's doubled that by now.
I just read an article in the Sacramento Bee that says that America can and should learn to live with $4 gasoline, that it might be the best thing to reduce global warming.
For years, American highways have been filled with bigger and biger SUVs, and my little Hondas have been almost crowded off the road. I've always hated those SUV's, but there was nothing I could do about them. Well, now they're paying the price - and at almost 40 miles per gallon, my little Honda doesn't cost me much more than it used to.
Makes me feel better about paying so much for gas, when I see that the road hogs are paying so much more.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 26 Jun 08 - 05:37 AM

I have a Ford Ka. It does very well on petrol but has been expensive in other respects.

Sainsbury's in Grantham is still charging £1.15/litre for petrol(with a 5p per liter voucher if you spend £50 in store). I don't understand why there is such regional variation in the UK - my partner lives in Cheshire, and his Sainsbury's is 5 or 6 pence dearer. And Bryn has paid £1.26 and not thought this unusual...

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 26 Jun 08 - 05:11 AM

On a visit to the States - 1998, I think - petrol - gasoline was $1.26 the (US) gallon.

This morning in the UK I paid £1.26 the LITRE, and thought this reasonable.

It has been, I think, a fact of life in the UK that diesel is a couple of pence dearer that petrol (gasoline). Can anyone explain why, today, a litre of diesel is 12 pence dearer than a litre of petrol ?

My daughter bought herself a 3 series diesel Beamer (BMW) - lovely motor. She is seriously thinking of weighing it in for a petrol engined one - the former perceived 'saving' on fuel has disappeared.

Should I ever win the Lottery - the pigs are fed, watered and on the runway ready for take off - I shalll treat meself to a Ford Ka LPG conversion jobbie.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 26 Jun 08 - 12:46 AM

Amos, I find myself in much agreement with this NYT column.
As I see it the causes for high gasoline prise, more or less in order of importance are:
Commodity speculation--the current wars are much to blame. And when (or if) the Middle East stabilizes so will speculative pricing;
Increased demand in China & India and other industrializing nations;
The lack of refining capacity in the US. It has been more than 30 years since a refinery has been built here. A friend of mine, a petroleum refinery engineer and designer, had to spend the last years of his career in the middle east rather than close to home;
The lack of will to drill for oil in areas controlled by the country, ie ANWAR and off-shore;
The addition of food products to gasoline, which raises the price of gasoline and the cost of food.

Well, I guess we can't stop foreign growth, but we certainly can control the other factors. So if speculation could reach realistic rates, thus cutting gasoline prices in half, and local drilling and refining could cut about 5%-10%, and ending the ethanol boondoggle can save a couple of percent, we could be looking at gasoline in, say, the range of $2.25. High, but not unmanageable.

And to get gasoline usage down, we need to join France in the use of nuclear; we should be developing more LNG use, and Hydrogen use. And all of these sources should be worked on concurrently as part of a comprehensive energy independence program.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jun 08 - 11:48 PM

NYT columnist:

"...The price of energy spiked Ñ tenfold, a hundredfold Ñ despite low demand. Californians became the most efficient users of power in the nation, and still suffered through dozens of rolling blackouts. None of it added up.

And into the worst energy crisis since the Arab oil embargo of 1973 came Vice President Dick Cheney, blasting conservation as a sissy virtue and saying the nation needed to build a new power plant every week for the next 20 years.

The administrationÕs neglect was breathtaking, a harbinger of what was to come when a natural disaster, Hurricane Katrina, would do to Louisiana what a man-made disaster had done to California. We now know, of course, that the problem eight years ago was caused by manipulation by Enron and other speculators who gamed a faulty system, sticking it to Grandma Millie while laughing at how easy it was to rob 40 million people.

Now consider the present dilemma: oil doubling over the last year, gas at $4.50 a gallon in places and the oversized influence of speculators in a market where few used to tread. Big investors are free to run up oil futures contracts thanks in part to former Senator Phil Gramm. He is the Texas Republican who co-sponsored the so-called Enron loophole in 2000 at the behest of what was later found to be one of the nationÕs biggest criminal enterprises.

Enron may be gone, but its legacy lingers in the work done by politicians who did its bidding. And Gramm, who once told corporate contributors, ÒI have the most reliable friend you can have in American politics, and thatÕs ready money,Ó is now the chief economic adviser to Senator John McCain.

GrammÕs role in helping to unleash energy speculators has been well-documented in recent months, and Senator Barack Obama has made an issue of it. Both Obama and McCain have called for closing the loophole. But just how big a role that kind of global gambling plays in the overheated commodities market is only now coming to light.

Testifying before the Senate on Wednesday, the ever-knowledgeable Daniel Yergin blamed speculation for part of the run-up. Yergin, an author and the chairman of Cambridge Energy Research Associates, and pointed to numerous other causes, as have other experts.

But he also noted that 2007 may have been the peak year for oil demand in the United States. In other words, the worldÕs largest energy consumer has reached the height of its gluttony, and will be using less oil from here on out.

Keep that in mind when thinking of the parallel to California. Less demand from the biggest consumer, yet record high prices. Why? Yes, tight supply during the end stages of the 200-year reign of fossil fuels, higher use by China and India, and global troubles all contribute to the bloat of oil prices.

But market manipulation seems obvious.

Over the last five years, investment in index funds tied to commodities like energy and food has gone from $13 billion to $260 billion. At the same time, the prices of those commodities have risen 200 percent.

Take away the excess speculators who are in the market purely for the ride, and oil prices could drop by half. ThatÕs the view of Michael W. Masters, a hedge fund manager whoÕs been advising Congress this year.

ÒThere are no lines at the gas pumps and there is plenty of food on the shelves,Ó said Masters, whose testimony has been widely discussed in financial circles but rarely in the political realm. What has changed, he said, is the presence of big speculators making futures bets."

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 05:56 PM

I said racist thread tend to get deleted. If the cap fits, wear it.Since I haven't seen the thread in question, how can I know what it said, and whether the cap fits or not.

Perhaps there was some other reason. Maybe someone with the power to yank it got fed up with there being two people (at least) posting with the same label.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 01:33 AM

What was racist about it McGrath of Harlow ?
Christ can't someone ask a question without some brain dead such as yourself playing that old card.

Yes there are other forums, with luck you may join one, believe me there would be no tears here if you did !

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 12:49 AM

I hate to say it, but even at $4.00 a gallon, fuel prices aren't apt to be a major part of our yearly expenditures.

Subject: RE: BS: Gasoline prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 09:35 AM

And around 80% in the good ole UK. (From www.myrustymemory.john)

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 09:38 PM

U. S. -First quarter of 2008, the average state gasoline tax was 28.6 cents/gallon, add 18.4 cents/gallon federal tax.

In Canada, the average tax is about double the U. S. figure. The taxes vary a lot; 9 cents/liter in Alberta, 14.5 in British Columbia (but city taxes in Vancouver take it to 20.5 cents/liter), 14.7 cents in Ontario.
Put another way, in 2008, taxes in Canada represented on average 35% of the pump price versus 20% in the U. S.
(from www.ontariogasprices.com)

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 09:07 PM

Americans (and Canadians) use several names; bottled gas, propane (common fuel in cylinders), heating oil, etc. for the liquid or compressed gas in tanks.

I'll admit sometimes it is confusing; In our region most of us get natural gas piped to our homes and offices for cooking and heating, but we usually just call it gas. Once a month, the 'gas man' comes to our house to read the gas meter and we are charged accordingly.

When we fill the tank of the car at the filling station, we fill it with 'gas,' seldom adding the -oline. Actually we just specify the grade- super, silver, etc., depending on the grade nomenclature used by the particular company who is fleecing us.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 07:50 PM

This is drift, but this thread seems a good place to ask the question - what do American call gas when they aren't talking about gasoline but about the stuff that is burnt in a gas cooker or a gas fire?
............................

Yes, racist threads do tend to get deleted here. There are plenty of forums around where that kind of thing is welcomed.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 03:57 PM

Pre paying for social services?
And theres me thinking that's what my 10% National Insurance tax was for!

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 03:32 PM

Hey, we're almost as high as what we used to pay for gas in the 70'w when we lived overseas!

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 08:34 AM

See this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2008/03/we_lose_in_greed_game.html

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 05:25 AM

You're surrounded by enemies, guestguest. There is an international conspiracy to prevent you from using Mudcat as a base from which to inform the poor benighted British nation of the conspiracy to rape their jobs and take their women. There's another conspiracy to prevent anyone from knowing about the conspiracy to expose the conspiracy. Prince Philip is behind it all. Now if you'd give us some idea of who you are.... we'd COME AND GET YOU!!!

And now they are coming over here and taking our petrol. It doesn't matter that the vast majority of them are EU residents, and whether we let them come NOW or not, they can come over in a few years anyway, and that if they don't come here to work in our factories, the factories will all go over there, and that if farmers can't get people to work 12 hour days in the freezing rain for 5 pounds an hour less transport, accommodation and fees, they'll simply stop farming because the supermarkets will only pay them enough to employ slave labour, and they'll buy it all from elsewhere.

You do have a choice of which BBC reports you highlight.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 03:38 AM

The UK Jack. Big Brother Mudcat at work, I think Emma was playing the World War Two card yet again about nazi's. So crying on someone's shoulder.
All I did was highlight a BBC report.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 06:37 PM

East Europeans enter which country?

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 06:29 PM

I was surprised to see it deleted too. Not that I have an axe to grind on the subject, but I feel it was a fair topic for discussion

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 06:27 PM

Jack, I started a thread this morning based on the BBC story regarding Eastern Europeans entering the country in large numbers and the fact it has been proven that they are not helping the economy. Then the usual mudcat headcases arrived in talking about Jews and nazis and poor poles.

What the F..k has this to do with it. So the do gooders appeared and deleted the thread.

The big brother mudcat freedom of speech site my arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 05:42 PM

Guest, Guest,

I have no idea what you are saying. I only know that you are upset. I wish that you had though your post out.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 04:35 PM

God have you really thought this thread out ? It shows disapproval and most threads that show disapproval and allows people to express an opinion seem to get deleted here !

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 03:57 PM

Gas taxes are much higher in Canada, they are not insignificant here. But they are not rising in proportion with the price of fuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 03:49 PM

Keep in mind that in the UK - and also in Canada? - it is not the price of gasoline (petrol) that you are paying. In the US, it is. You are pre-paying social services.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: bobad
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:47 AM

"I'm seriously considering a motorcycle."

Check these out, my wife is considering one for her commute to work.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:45 AM

My next car (I drive a 1999 Honda Civic) will almost certainly be a hybrid of some sort. But what I have now gets about 24 mpg in the city and over 30 on the highway and has only about 104,000 miles on it so I plan to keep it a while longer. Probably at least until my wife's Element (18 city, 25 highway) is paid off.

Perhaps by then Honda will have a hybrid Element.... (Yes, I am aware of the trade-offs with the hybrids. I make enough money to cover the bills, but I fail to see why I should pay those of the oil companies as well.)

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:29 AM

Well, we are signing up for a newer used mini-van this week, and putting out 1988 Ford E150 conversion van to sleep permanently. May that fine piece of Americana rust RIP. It was great while it lasted, and currently is costing about $10/day for a single round trip to work, approx 30 miles.

As my partner is 6'8" and has a low back disability, small cars just don't work for him. So it is a "newer used" Grand Caravan Sport, I forget what year--2002?--but our first vehicle of the 21st century vintage.

We are currently driving a 1993 or 1994? Pontiac Transport we bought off our mechanic a year ago for $600, and it's running like a champ. We get around 15-18/city mpg, and are pretty happy with it.

The daughter got an ole granda car for college that we will be replacing with something more economical for her this summer. She has the 1989 Chev Caprice, a real ghetto ride. We bought it, literally, from a friend whose grandma had recently passed away. Single owner, around 30,000 miles on it when we bought it in the mid-90s--seems grandma never got out much. But it just isn't practical anymore, so we'll sell it off to one of the teen kids in the 'hood, who will love pimpin' it out.

Daughter can fit in anything and live with it. And since we're buying, she'll have to.

The one and only way we have found to conserve is to drive less. We carpool to work, which is also a savings. We use the bus in good weather quite a bit. Biking and walking really aren't very good options where we are at, except on the University campus where my partner works.

I'm seriously considering a motorcycle.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 10:49 AM

We are currently paying £4.75 a gallon for unleaded and just over £5 for diesal. I have no choice about using my car daily as I have only been able to find a job 25 miles away and not on a public transport route. The knock on effect to the price of goods in shops also adds to an already increasing cost of living. Its no wonder so many people are in financial straits!

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 10:38 AM

As gas prices double and profits double and redouble, it is important to remember that the gas companies need to increase their 18 billion dollar tax exemptions to stay on a proportional even keel.

A $36 billion tax exemption for oil companies needs to be enacted before the gas companies run out of all motivation to explore and discover new supplies.

As audacious as it sounds we should allow oil companies to operate tax free on a permanent basis so that we can enjoy a slower price increase at the pump.


[ paid for by Patriotic God fearing Citizens for the Brookings Institute, supporting wealthier multinational corporations ]

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 09:34 AM

Well I have put all 3 of my cars up for sale,1 mine, 1 my partner's, and one fun car.
I am using the money to upgrade to a newer car, that will have to do for all purposes, from boat hauling to supermarket shopping. No it's not a small vehicle, small vehicles can't pull a 19 foot boat with outboards fitted, or a 23 foot caravan for holidays and folk festivals.


Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 09:06 AM

What choice is there?

If I have to go to, say, Boise on business I can a) fly or b) drive. Should I want to go shopping in Idaho Falls, I would drive 50 miles north and another 50 miles back. That's 100 miles round trip; at 25 miles to the gallon the trip alone would cost me 4 gallons of gas or about USD 12.00.

It would certainly be nice to have a high-speed light rail system similar to the TGV in France.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 08:50 AM

More whinging... it's REALLY cheap at $4.00 a (US) gallon. Here it's 4 POUNDS- $8.00 - per US gallon, and $8.75 for diesel. People don't appear to have reduced driving much.

Subject: RE: BS: Gas prices doubled in 4 years.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:50 PM

M. Ted, I just heard a joke from a local friend who has a small interest in commodity trading.
He says whenever the price of oil starts to drop on the market, traders in NY hire terrorists to blow the Iraqi pipeline again so that the price will rise.
I expect to read that in some blog site soon.