BS: TROLL ALERT

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 10:41 PM

McGrath--

Does this mean you won't be signing up for his School of Charm? Didn't you know it's opening soon?

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 06:13 PM

"by immature boys who want to impress the other boys.

In other words, by pillocks.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Tansy
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 05:44 PM

Paul...more on FEEBLES...the guy inside Heidi The Hippo is a pretty celebrated New Zealand Comic acotr, Danny Mulharon (spelling?). He used to accompany Peter often on their trips to LA back when he was trying to get a deal together and I'd say I got to know Danny almost as well if not better. I believe he co-wrote Feebles with Peter and Fran. We were entertained with many hours of FEEBLE stories about the making of and so on. Some of the most amusing stories wewre about what happened to the puppets AFTER the mvoie. Apparently Wobert the Hedgehog got very lonely being on display in some department store window and asked to go live with the Puppeteer as I recall. Now how exactly Wobert made that known is even funnier.

Peter gave one of the Winyards to Forry Ackerman (Forry even had a Cameo in BRAINDEAD) for his huge collection of SF and Horror props. About four or five years ago, it became necessarry for Forry to sell parts of his collection but I don't think Winyard has been purchased. I can find out. The Winyard he has is the one from the Nam Flashback scenes. He has "Young Winyard" who has yet to suffer the ravages of his later heroin addiction. I once asked to borrow him to have him show up as a surprise wedding guest for a FEEBLES fan and Forry agreed but I wound up not making the Wedding. C'et la vie. hhopefully Winyard and I will party in the future. Winyard is probably my fave character.

I did get to spend some quality time with The Zombie baby from BRAINDEAD aka DEADALIVE and have many photos to prove it. I sent one home to my mother as a photo postcard and it caused a huge stir in her local post-office! I wrote on the back: "Dear Mum....this is your new Grandson" and it was a photo of me with the Zombie toddler in my arms. The Mail Carriers wanted to keep it and in order to ransom it, I had to send them a duplicate! I forget what the baby's name is..my husband will know..I'll ask him. is it Cedric? No... that's the Punk Rock warthog from FEEBLES. We used to have a resin-kit of Cedric! Darn...can't recall. Cyril...?? Maybe it's Selwyn??

Peter was and most likely still is a very swell and wonderful guy. I enjoyed his company very much and its a shame he's so busy now that I'll never likely get to sit down for tea with him again. Fran is equally swell. Their success could not have happened to a nicer couple. May they continue to rake in gazillions of dollars for themselves and the NZ film commission.

Incidentally, my husband, Dave Pollison, works for Renaissance....the folks who brought you XENA and HERCULES. As a result, between my prior relationships and his, we know many people within New Zealand's TV/film crowd. My hubby did some second unit work on Xena as well. His company's latest movie to come out is THE GRUDGE. He's not much of a Folkie, but he's an exceedingly indulgent husband who puts up with all my Folkie whims and ways.

If you can't get FEEBLES in a reasonable amount of time, let me know, I am sure I have a spare copy floating about, maybe even a spare PAL copy. Now these were copies that had been given to me, so I don't know how they match up with the official releases and/or if they have more or less than the DVDs. I've had them for ages and they're just gathering dust. It'd not be taking money out of anybody's pocket to post you one of my tapes.

My only request is that you not dupe it for friends. Peter got burned very badly by giving out copies of BAD TASTE to people back in 1989 who then made hundreds of copies which quickly turned into thousands of copies and so on. As a result, when it did get released on video, it tanked. He made me swear not to let anybody copy my tape and I haven't. Since it's available in most markets, tell your pals to shell out, that's what I do! Given Peter's subsequent success in terms of sales, it's more the principle of the thing than any actaul need to prevent piracy.

Laoise

Forgive typos....my hands are very cramped and I can't find my reading glasses today.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 05:12 PM

Wonder if Little Hawk's or dianavan's theory would be closest to explaining our favorite purveyor of this stuff around here. My vote would probably be on Little Hawk's idea, but perhaps dianavan's interpretation has some merit.

Who knows, maybe it's some of each, in a very confused individual.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 03:48 PM

Tansy, thanks!

Have found it WAS released on DVD back in 2002, but having difficulty finding a stockist for it.

I'll keep looking, but yes maybe I'll have to take you up on your kind offer, & us work something out!

Thanks again!

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 03:13 PM

Interesting. Little Hawk, that you think that the terms twat, douche bag, etc. are flung around by immature boys who want to impress the other boys.

I have a different take on it: I think terms like those are used by men of any age who are, in fact, afraid to come to terms with their own sexuality. A suppressed homosexual has no other way to express it but by labelling girls and girl things as 'icky'. Doesn't it follow that if girls are 'icky' then boys are awful nice? As to this being a normal part of boy's development, I disagree. Most boys find girls quite fascinating.

Such things as 'nasal sex' are the perv's answer to his own inablilty to have a meaningful sexual relationship with either sex.

d

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Tansy
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 03:10 PM

Paul..FEEBLES is available on Japanese Laser disc and I'm sure by now it's on DVD somewhere..if not..PM me and I'll set you up. I'll even include a photo of Peter Jackson snuggling with my famous cat Oscar. Oscar is famous for having slept with lots of musicians, filmmakers and writers who have had occasion to stay over my house. Oscar, slut cat that he is...sleeps with anybody who stays in the guest room or on the coach. I don't recall if Peter ever slept overnight, but he and Oscar were pals back when Peter wasn't Mr. Freaking Lord of The Rings.

Incidentally, Another of Oscar's bunk buddies, Director Jim Van Bebber will be appearing at The Nuart tonight in Santa Monica to introdue his long-awaited film CHARLIE'S FAMILY which has been retitled THE MANSON FAMILY by the current distributor because apparently interantional audiences weren't aware of Manson's 1st name. He'll be taking questions between and after the showings.

The film has garnerd excellent reviews but I warn you, it's not for the squeemish. It is not exploitation-fare....just gut-wrenching social commentary in the form of a close retelling of the events mostly from the perspective of Bobby Beausoleil and Tex Watson. Jim's struggled to get the film released for almost 12 years and now that's it's out it has been generating big buzz. My husband, Dave Pollison from Renaissance Picures is accompanying Jim but I don't know if he's going to speak (my husband). I've chosen not to go. For anyone even remotely interested in the fall-out from the Manson crimes, it's worth sitting through even though it's a harrowing experience.

Jim does justice to the victims whilst at the same time demystifying the murders and protraying them as the banal and stupid crimes they were. Mostly I admire him for remindin g people of the forgotten Manson victim, Gary Hinman, whose murder started the killing spree. Almost everyone forgets poor Gary who was tortured over the course of days before they dispatched him. He was a very religious Musician who is univerally writeen off as "some drug dealer they killed." as if he deserved it. Hinman was no such thing, he was a dear and gentle person who made the fatal mistake of befriending The Family. Good for Jim Van Bebber. The film will is in New York and LA currently but after a rave from Ebert, it got 20 more bookings.

So email me if you cannot get FEEBLES and we'll work something out. If you are ever in LA, you might even be able to meet one of the Feebles puppets who resides in LA. FOrry Ackerman has Winyard the knife-throwing Frog with Nam flashbacks. I was a witness in Forry's big lawsuit and he promised me access to Winyard in return. I hope he still has him.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Peace
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 03:01 PM

Nasal Sects: New group of fundies?

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 02:50 PM

"MEET THE FEEBLES"!!!

Been looking for that film again for YEARS!

(allegedly it used to be filed in the 'Childrens Cartoon' Section of Blockbuster, but I ever forund it there the odd time I went into Blockbuster & looked....

Must check online & see if its out on DVD!


*goes off to check now*

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: MBSLynne
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 10:09 AM

There's a line about nasal sex in a Les Barker song....Quasimodo I think. something about it being a "sinus he wasn't quite well"

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 09:07 PM

"Nasal sex???"

I remember a cute book that came out as a parody of the Hite report...

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: pdq
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 07:15 PM

Nasal sex??? Is that the same as making love while listening to Sarah Vaughan records?

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: emjay
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 04:42 PM

Norman Kennedy sings Scottish folk songs and songs for and about weaving. (His name came up early in this thread.)
Not that I haven't enjoyed all the rest and it's educational, too. Boy, is it educational!

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Tansy
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 04:30 PM

Martin Gibson states:

>>>f... you in the nose, moron, Guest.<<<

and someone else mentions that nasal sex doesn't sound like fun.

Well, I guess none of you have seen MEET THE FEEBLES, huh? That's Peter Jackson's Puppet Magnum Opus from 1990. I nearly split a gut when that film first came out and thankfully got to meet Peter who was still quite poor and driving around in Rent-A wrecks whilst in LA. He forbade us to make any dupes of the film and as a result, every time somebody wanted to see our precious copy, we had to sit through the film AGAIN. I know that movie by heart now.

Of course, I haven't seen him since THE FRIGHTNERS came out and he become somebody. At any rate..MEET THE FEEBLES was the original sick and twisted puppet film. sorry Trey Parker and Matt Stone...Peter was there first and he didn't cut the puppet sex nor the Nasal Puppet Sex. The film's a cult masterpiece AND it's a musical. What's not to love?

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 04:14 PM

Hehe

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Mr Red
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 03:47 PM

from the OED

twat (____). low slang. Also 8 twait, 20 twot(t.
[Of obscure origin.]
1. (See quot. 1727.)
Erroneously used (after quot. 1660) by Browning Pippa Passes iv. ii. 96 under the impression that it denoted some part of a nun's attire.

the SOED denotes that the English English meaning is the same as "fanny" and the American English meaning has the same meaning as "fanny" there.

Not a lot of people know that..........

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 06:16 AM

Go your rooms the pair of you, & don't come down until I tell you!

Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: GUEST,Norman Wisdom
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 06:13 AM

Mr Grimsdale!!

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 08:51 PM

It's an odd use of language, but it certainly communicates a definite feeling...

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 08:33 PM

"A squirming kind of puker"?

Please, do explain...

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 06:10 PM

It is because most little boys (and not a few grown men) are frankly terrified of the subject of douche bags that the term "douche bag" is considered offensive. That's my opinion, anyway. Same goes for "twat" and various similar terms which have some connection to the more intimate body parts of females. It all starts when males are, let's say, age 10 or around there...and they still figure girls are pretty "icky", but they want to impress other boys with how tough they are. That's when such terms of abuse as "douche bag" really appeal to the immature male mind. It becomes a test of incipient manhood to hurl such terms at other people in a particularly nasty way. Later, much to their surprise, these same lads become VERY interested in getting closer to girls...but they just can't give up the gutter talk around their fellow males, cos otherwise they might be seen as wimpy or something. I mean, hell, they might be seen as sensitive or even liberal!!! God forbid.

As for anuses from Uranus, well, who knows? It depends what kind of life is found on Uranus, right?

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 05:33 PM

Oh come on. I would have fired you anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson's ex champion
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 05:28 PM

Ok, I take it all back. You lot are right and I was wrong. He is unnecessarily obnoxious and unpleasant. He obviously didn't like me sticking up for him and is bent on proving that he IS an obnoxious idiot

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 05:09 PM

Ha Ha! Stay cool El Greko.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 03:38 PM

Who needs porn sites when we have this.
In the nose, eh?

"Dear, come here, I just want to try something..."

Nah - snot fun...

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 03:30 PM

How twisted, guest.

I never made that claim. You did.

Here's a claim I will make:

I do know that you are the anus from uranus.

fuck you in the nose, moron, Guest.

yes, Paul from Dull. I can tell he is just a squirming kind of puker.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 02:52 PM

Wow indeed you heard it first on Mudcat Martin Gibson is an authority on little girls dolls.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 02:47 PM

& you can tell girlishness & a liking for dolls from THAT?

Wow!

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 02:43 PM

But it's only correct and proper to defend your right to be a complete and utter twat MG, you totally abuse the privilege but hey what the hell.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Linael
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 02:31 PM

This is a silly thread - I can't believe people post on it... D'OH

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 02:29 PM

E the R's attack on me only a few posts above.

The guy has a flap over his pussy he calls his dick.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 01:55 PM

Really? Interesting!

Thanks Skipy!

M.G. ...what brought that on?

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 11:29 AM

Eric the Red, do you play with dolls like the little girl you are?

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 11:23 AM

Coinage of the 17th century

Regards Paul, Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 10:57 AM

...& the Etymology of the word 'twat'?

*G*

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 09:13 AM

The phrase "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is widely attributed to Voltaire, but cannot be found in his writings. With good reason. The phrase was invented by a later author as an epitome of his attitude. It appeared in The Friends of Voltaire (1906), written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall under the pseudonym S[tephen] G. Tallentyre.

Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 08:47 AM

I also defend Martin Gibsons right to be a twat.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson's Champion
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 08:21 AM

Leave Martin alone! He's entitled to be offensive if he wants...at least he doesn't do it anonymously like so many other people. He's no worse than some and not as bad as quite a few. Tolerance.......we all have different ways of expressing ourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Janie
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 08:19 PM

Martin,

I am quite sure you can, because you often have. Grow up.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 04:52 PM

Janie,

I can get much more offensive if you want.

I was just opening up with that.

What do you think? Should we go for it for Norman?

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Janie
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 04:44 PM

Other than the fact that they are really just not necessary, what is so offensive about a douche bag?

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 04:25 PM

I got an idea.

Let's call Norman a douche bag and see what happens.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 04:03 PM

On the subject of Norman the Troll, it seems to me that it REALLY is p*ss*ng him off that we are treating him like the joke he is, rather than stressing about his presence....

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 08:21 AM

Dinsdale the monster hunter? sounds about right.
It doesn't exist.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: PennyBlack
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 07:34 AM

Spiny Norman: (n) giant hedgehog reportedly ranging from twelve feet to eight hundred yards long.

Dinsdale was a gentleman, and what's more he knew how to treat a female impersonator

PB

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 06:51 AM

Tim Dinsdale was one of the most dedicated searchers for the Loch Ness Monster. Between 1960 and 1987, he led 56 expeditions, most of them solo, mostly on water; and he helped many of the other people who hunted for Nessie during those years. He brought to his quest exemplary dedication, integrity and personal modesty. He took his quest seriously, but never himself: pursuing truth for truth's sake. Having become interested in the possible existence of the Loch Ness Monster, Dinsdale spend a year analysing the then available evidence. In 1960, with a borrowed camera and on the last day of his first expedition to Loch Ness, he filmed a large object that moved rapidly across - and at times just below the surface of - the water; an object larger than any species known to inhabit the Loch. Dinsdale spent the rest of his life in pursuit of the further evidence that would compel scientific acknowledgement and study of the Loch Ness creatures. He left his career in aeronautical engineering to make his living in ways that allowed him time for field work; but he persistently refused to derive any monetary gain from his work at Loch Ness. He influenced many people, through his example, through his actions, through his lectures and through his books.
Skipy (Well I cut & pasted it, I didn't write it)

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: el_punkoid_nouveau
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 03:03 AM

Not only that, but Spiny Norman used to wander about the streets of London calling "Dinsdale, Dinsdale"

epn

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 08:38 PM

Wasn't Dinsdale the reverend in "The Scarlett Letter"? I don't remember a character named Norman.

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: PennyBlack
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 08:23 PM

Dinsdale was a perfectly normal person in every way. Except in as much he was convinced that he was being watched by a giant hedgehog whom he referred to as 'Spiny Norman' (Monty Python)

Subject: RE: BS: TROLL ALERT
From: Peace
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 07:01 PM

MBSLynne: Norman's gotta eat too ya know. Poor UKer. He's become the Troll we have all dreamt of. Kind, considerate, erudite, humourous, witty and a figment of our collective imagination (including his own). Folks, it don't get any better than this.