Subject: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Nemesis Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:21 AM HI Catters, A good friend has just taken over a small, rundown, 17th century pub in a quiet country area of Suffolk (near Bury St Edmonds) .. His musical heart is folk ... and he's keen to get music in the pub .. (Also I've spotted potential for camping etc in the photographs I've seen .. you know where I'm going with this) Anyway.. if you are interested in starting a session or similar please PM me for more info Cheers Hille |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Skipjack K8 Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:46 AM My demon fiddler neice (honest!) is in Sudbury and would be up for a new session, I'm sure. And there's the Itchy Feet lot down there too, who are utterly brilliant. |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Seaking Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:48 AM I'm in Felixstowe and would be very interested. I've PMd you as requested.. Chris |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Dave Bryant Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:56 AM Well it's a long way from us, but Linda and I did enjoy a few days in the caravan further west (near Yoxford) the other year, when we found lots of pubs to sing in - including the one that the CL caravan site was on. If there's likely to be something happening up there and somewhere we could put the caravan, we'd probably be interested in a trip up. |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: treewind Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:18 AM Definitely interested. We're in Fordham, just north of Newmarket Anahata (and Mary) |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: muppitz Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:20 AM Shame there's not somewhere and someone like that in Nottinghamshire, my club has just had to fold as we've lost 2 venues in as many months due to unwilling Landlords! Muppitz x |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Chris Green Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:07 AM Muppitz - don't know whereabouts you are in Notts, but you could try Bingham FC. We played there last summer, went down a storm and had a fantastic evening. Plus most of the nights are singers nights. Try this link! Chris |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Nemesis Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:46 AM Hey, fab response here and PMs in just about an hour ... It's no secret where the pub is .. maybe check it out anyway? They're starting food on Friday (anyone need a job as a chef?) It's a lovely old pub, he adores folk, the locals say they'd like music apparently: so, I think the trade-off of a very supportive landlord and a happy venue for anyone wanting to do something could be good. As we know it's a year (to November 2005) when the new Licensing Law comes into effect, so it would be good to see if something could get established before all the aggro of this wretched law weighs in. The White Horse Rede Road Whepstead, Suffolk IP29 4SS 01284 735542 Take A143 out of Bury St Edmunds on the "Horringer Road," after 1 mile Turn left onto B1066 sign posted to Whepstead, after 2 miles turn Right onto Pages Hill, sign posted to Rede, the Pub is situated approximately one mile on from here on the Rede Road. Cheers Hille |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: treewind Date: 25 Oct 04 - 11:35 AM So is someone going to take the plunge and nominate a date and time for a session? Are any of the Thursday sessions people here? (Colney Weston Swan/Bardwell Dun Cow/Mellis Railway/Botesdale Bell) Anahata |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: GUEST,Barnacle Date: 25 Oct 04 - 12:15 PM If and when you get it going e:mail BrianGaudet@archant.co.uk (Eastern Daily Pess) and he will put it in the listings for you. Good Luck |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Steve Parkes Date: 25 Oct 04 - 12:23 PM All my in-laws came from Horringer ... if I can wangle an invite some time, I'll see if I can drop by! |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 25 Oct 04 - 04:37 PM I come to Bury St Edmunds, not to praise him! Well I might if it were a weekend session and it allowed children.. It's not that far a drive from east London.... is it? (Mind you, I once went to Lake Windermere for the day, from Dorset). LTS |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Nemesis Date: 25 Oct 04 - 05:41 PM Thanks for that Barnacle :) |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: wilbyhillbilly Date: 26 Oct 04 - 02:51 AM Well being an old Suffolk boy born in Bury, I would love to come to a session with Beth and Danny, if children are allowed, and depending whether it clashes with our usual Tuesday Session at Stradbroke in Suffolk (2.0pm to 7.0pm). Its great news for Suffolk though, lets have some more. whb |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Dave Bryant Date: 26 Oct 04 - 04:19 AM it would be good to see if something could get established before all the aggro of this wretched law weighs in The current law is no more lenient - there's various opinions about whether the "Two in a bar exemption" still applies until the new act is implemented. Even if it does, you're still limited to maximum of two performers per session, unless the pub has an entertainments license. In fact the new law could be useful, if the landlord ticks the entertainments box on the form when he applies for his new license, he should be able to get the provision for FREE. The guidance states that the LA cannot make this subject to premises alterations. If the application for entertainment is made at a later date, the landlord will have to pay for it. |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Nemesis Date: 26 Oct 04 - 07:34 AM Thanks for that Dave, I'll pass this on and check if they've made a licence application as you say with their new licence .. What I mean is though, that if there are folkies here who want to get something going, perhaps now's a good time - carpe diem (?) to get hold of the Landlord so, he can get licence applications in .. I'm sure, given the enthusiasm for getting the music into the pub that, red tape aside, the spirit is willing - Please pass on about a sympathetic landlord to interested parties! Thanks Hille |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Dave Bryant Date: 26 Oct 04 - 08:25 AM If he applies for an entertainments license now, it will cost him whatever the LA wants to charge - and they might insist on alterations to the pub. Some LAs (especially those in the sticks) don't get unduly worried about unlicensed folk sessions unless there are complaints from other residents (or sometimes from jealous rival landlords). Some, like my council (Greenwich), see it as a nice little earner for them - one session in Greenwich was paying about £400 pa for their entertainments license. Unless the landlord is unduly worried about unlicensed performance, I'd suggest starting the session without one, after all, these things usually start small and build up. If the council haven't said anything before the new act is implemented next year, then that is the time to apply for the licence. If the council does require the landlord to get a license before then they will warn him first. I've run a regular session in a country pub without a license (not in Greenwich) for some years, and have never had any problems, but the landlord will apply for his free entertainments option next year. I assume that the reference to camping was implying a possible weekend mini festival, Linda (Essex Girl) and I might be quite interested in that. Incidently, what sort of session are you keen to start, Music, Song, or Mixed ? |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 26 Oct 04 - 08:34 AM The idea of a mini fest sounds great - another Gathering perhaps? Still need a proposed day for sessions though..... LTS |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Dave Bryant Date: 26 Oct 04 - 08:51 AM Liz - and it allowed children I think you'd have to get insurance or post a bond if you were planning to bring Limpit - Ive still got the scars from the last time ! :-) |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: GUEST Date: 29 Oct 04 - 03:43 PM Any dates yet ? |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Nemesis Date: 30 Oct 04 - 01:47 PM Hey, guys! I live in Sussex ... so, please can someone in Suffolk or nearby take the plunge and set a date with Brian, the Landlord ... Just a reminder of the pub address and details: The White Horse Rede Road Whepstead, Suffolk IP29 4SS 01284 735542 Take A143 out of Bury St Edmunds on the "Horringer Road," after 1 mile Turn left onto B1066 sign posted to Whepstead, after 2 miles turn Right onto Pages Hill, sign posted to Rede, the Pub is situated approximately one mile on from here on the Rede Road. PLease keep the thread up and/or pass on to interested parties .. I'll send on Dave's advice to Brian at the White Horse .. Help keep music live Hille x |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Grab Date: 30 Oct 04 - 07:01 PM We're in Cambridge. We might be able to get along there, and maybe mobilise a few of our friends as well. I don't think I could make a regular session, but certainly as an occasional thing, especially of a weekend. Graham. |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Scintilla Date: 02 Nov 04 - 09:39 AM Hello :) I'm a fiddle player, new to Sudbury and up for any local sessions, so I'll watch this space... And if anybody has any tip-offs about where else to go that'd be great... (and back to London doesn't count hehe!) Ta! |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: GUEST,Seaking Date: 02 Nov 04 - 02:36 PM This doesn't seem to be going anywhere so if nobody has talked to Brian the Landlord yet I'll volunteer to give him a call and try to arrange something. Won't be for a week or so but I'll post some information if/when I have any. All in favour..? Chris |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Grab Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:47 AM Aye! OK, you're voted in. Now if only it was that easy to get someone sensible into the White House... ;-) Graham. |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: treewind Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:03 AM Stay in touch Scintilla and others - Mary and I are meeting up there for a meal next week with Steve and Mary Dickinson from Stowmarket (a.k.a. Wheatstone Concertinas and the Everyman Folk Club in Saxmundham) They're very interested. We'll take a look at the pub, bring our instruments in case we feel like having a bit of a sing and play, talk to Brian and almost certainly sort out a session for sometime - maybe a monthly date. Anyone got perefences for a day of the week per month? Last Fridays are out. Thursdays clash with another session. So does 2nd Wednesdays, last Mondays and Sunday nights. My vote is for first Wednesdays or any Tuesday. That's only an opening gambit for negotiation - anyone else got useful input? Anahata |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Scintilla Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:18 AM I'm pretty flexible (tho' Thursdays are tricky). But... my access to the net will be a bit hit and miss as of next week so plenty of notice would be appreciated... my poor laptop is riddled with disease and my employers are less than enthusiastic about me planning my social life on their time, the miserable sods! I'd be really pleased if it comes together, I need to put a stop to the music drought I've had since moving here! |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: GUEST,Seaking Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:25 AM To avoid confusion or double dipping here I'll now leave this to Treewind. |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: treewind Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:23 AM OK - I guess we'll be going for a mixed song and tunes session, I have a preference for English music and a fairly trad bias but if there's plenty of variety that's fine. We'll see how this goes, and if somebody else wants to do hard core Irish diddly music or any other extreme specialism on another night I'm sure there is plenty of scope for that too. Anahata |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: GUEST,Virginia Date: 03 Nov 04 - 01:54 PM I thought Seaking offered to do it? Treewind, it might have been nice if you'd aknowledged that fact and said something to the effect of "We're going there first, shall we do it instead?" |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: treewind Date: 03 Nov 04 - 02:31 PM Well, the arrangement with Steve and Mary was already made before I saw Seaking's post, which seemed to be made out of resignation because nobody else yet had taken the next step. I did post stating what was going to happen. I've no intention of undermining anyone's existing efforts or of going behind anyone's back. I didn't start talking about days of the week etc. in order to establish control, just to encourage anybody reading this thread to get involved in the discussion. There doesn't have to be one person who "does it", does there? Anybody else who cares to join us there next Tuesday Nov 9th is welcome. If Brian doesn't mind us having an unannouced session, we could even have a few tunes and songs there and then, though that wasn't the original primary intention. But please, this is about co-operation, not competition... Chris a.k.a. Seaking, I hope I didn't offend and you're still with us! Anahata with nothing to hide |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Mary Humphreys Date: 03 Nov 04 - 02:39 PM GUEST Virginia, I didn't see you make any offer to organise anything yourself, so don't complain when someone else does. After all, Seaking hasn't! |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Nemesis Date: 03 Nov 04 - 03:15 PM Whoa! Now please, don't let's have one of those unedifying Mudcat bickers before it even starts! I'm really pleased that it sounds like something is happening though! I think it'll be great .. Brian's a good guy and new to landlording so, not too much of a cynic yet :) and he's a folkie.. whah,hey! Keep music live Hille x |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: PoppaGator Date: 03 Nov 04 - 06:24 PM I emailed my brother Paul a link to this thread, and am encouraging him to drop in and visit. He's an American living in the area who works at the Lakenheath RAF base -- in fact, he used to live *in* Bury St. Edmonds -- and he's a longtime professional drummer who has picked up the (acoustic) guitar and, more recently, the bodhran. I realize you folks can be quite dubious about bodhran players, and I also realize that Paul does not have a long, deep background in traditional music. But he is a serious percussionist, and I'm sure he has enough musical sensitivity to play with the requisite subtlety, and also to know when to back off completely. If he shows up at all, he may or may not bring one or both instruments along. But if he does arrive in the company of one of those oversized tambourines, please give him a break and allow him a chance to show that he can behave appropriately! |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Nemesis Date: 03 Nov 04 - 06:28 PM A serious percussionist sounds great, Poppagator .. I'm sure there's no need to apologise in advance :0) ! |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: treewind Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:04 PM I went to a session at the Edwardstone White Horse (2nd Wednesdays) and there was a conga player there, with just one conga drum. He even took his turn to play a solo turn, and it was totally enchanting. I love it whan a real musician plays drums! I wouldn't advise your friend to bring his drum kit though... Anahata |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: GUEST,Seaking Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:45 AM Treewind, no offence taken, if you can get this off the ground then best of luck. Like many others, since the demise of the Butley oyster session, I could do with a good regular singaround in the area - even if it is 40 miles away...! I can't make this Tuesday but keep the news flowing and I shall be happy to support you if possible when you get some dates. Chris |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:10 AM Ah... Tuesdays. I'm busy with the posh choir and Manitas has dance practice that day. Never mind... another day, another pub.... LTS |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: GUEST,Virginia Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:37 AM Mary Humphreys...don't have a go at me! A little hard for me to organise anything from several hundred miles away. Maybe Seaking did complain...just not to you! |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Nemesis Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:35 AM |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Dave Bryant Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:41 AM Perhaps you should organise a wake session for John Peel there, since his funeral will be held not far away. |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Nigel Parsons Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:31 PM John Peel's Funeral Bury St Edmunds, Friday November 12th Link Added! Nigel |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Nigel Parsons Date: 05 Nov 04 - 03:25 PM With that last post (pun unintentional!) maybe I should have stated, it's a long drag from Wales, but next Friday could be worth a visit if anyone else is likely to be there! Nigel |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: The Shambles Date: 06 Nov 04 - 02:26 AM I can see that rightly the requirement and push here is to have a session locally rather than to make a local political issue out of it - but it would be a shame if the initial enthusiasm of all concerned were to be blunted by licensing legislation - as so many other sessions have been. It would be nice to pretend that such considerations were not a concern but sadly they have a way of affecting these things - whether we like it or not. The timing is interesting. It is unlikely that any licensee will be prepared to pay for a full PEL just to enable this session to take place legally under the current legislation. For these run yearly from a set date - say July to July and as the new licenses can be applied for in February 2005 - it would not be a good financial move as application now would be unlikely to produce one for about 3 months anyway - but the session could most probably continue for this period, if the application was made. There are two remaining options. First to just to start-up and hope with the risk of the session having to be halted or secondly to wait until the new Premises Licence can be applied for. If in February the licensee applies (with no additional cost) for entertainment permission with their Premises Licence, the session (and other live music) will of course be able to take place. The question that can't really be ignored by anyone, including the local licensing authority is does the session actually require either a PEL currently or entertainment permission with the new Premises Licence when the new Act come into force? These pub sessions only fall foul of the current legislation because (most) LAs consider the unpaid participants to be (more then two)'performers but they will not need entertainment permission under the new Act if the session is not considered as regulated entertainment but as as 'incidental' live music. Sadly and unhelpfully nether the word 'performer' or the word 'incidental' are currently defined in the legislation or yet legally determined by case law. Official advice - if sought now from the local licensing authority would most probably be for the pub to obtain the PEL and as the licencee is unlikely to wish to pay for this - at this late stage - the official future for this session would seem to be uncertain. Perhaps the way forward is to start-up but get the councillors handle it for you and the licencee - to be open about the true nature of the event and the difficulties. And to officially process the question but to get them to enable the session to continue in the meantime, until a committee decision can be made. Given the time this would take - the new law would probably be in force by then. This would both enable the session to start now, and start the process that will show councillors the risk that is presented to these activities by licensing legislation, to enable them (rather than their officers) to address the issue locally and include this consideration in the local licensing policy that they are currently working on. To stall for a little longer - an official visit to the session (when it could be ensured that only the same two musicians were playing) would establish to the officer's satisfaction, that the event (at least as witnessed) was exempt from the current licensing requirement..... |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: GUEST,Brian at the White Horse Date: 08 Nov 04 - 07:38 AM Hi there everyone I am overwhelmed by the response to Hillies Forum, Thanks to all who have made contact, Its early days for me in the Pub having just taken over on the 19th October - my heart has been in music for many years, playing acoustic guitar myself (poorly) and experiencing a brief spell as Manager of The Stranglers in the Mid Seventies then with Simon Gallup of the Cure during his short exit from the Band when we formed "Fools Can Dance" which quickly turned into Fools can Drink after we hit the bars and Clubs of Berlin and Amsterdam. I love Acoustic music and want to find a way of introducing this into the surroundings of the White Horse. The Pub is small with a very low ceiling so it has its problems, it does have Summertime potential with a Large Garden area to the rear as well as a prominent frontage ideal for "Morris Dancers" for example, or a traditional "Old English Festival" the new laws will give me more headaches, but speaking to the Local Parish council along with other members of the community I see no reason why we cannot achieve something without causing fuss and problems, the initial thoughts are to create a Tuesday night music club for all interested Musicians allowing you to meet up , chat, play and plan future sessions or events - I can invite Council members along to these sessions and get there own viewpoint and assistance in how we go forward - this may sound mad but believe me they are very supportive and don't want their Pub to Close and be lost forever - they understand the problems the new and current laws create, Contact me on 01284 735542 and tell me your thoughts, if you want to plan or help plan with me an event I will support you if I can - Come along on Tuesday the 16th at around 7pm ish and chat about everything, I will supply you a free buffet phone me and let me know you are coming Brian |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Nemesis Date: 08 Nov 04 - 07:16 PM Free buffet ..Brian! Phone Brian peeps ... told you he was a good un :) xx Nem |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: The Shambles Date: 09 Nov 04 - 02:14 AM Brian I hope your open approach involving the local councillors will ensure that your plans can go ahead - there is no reason why this should not work. However, in four years of trying, I have yet to find a local councillor who accepts that the current law should prevent customers making music for their own pleasure in a pub with the licencee's permission. Sadly, this has not stopped their officers from preventing all sessions here without the additional licence. I wish you all the best of luck and it will be helpful to others if you can let us know how you get on? |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: The Shambles Date: 09 Nov 04 - 02:22 AM A look at this thread may be useful.... http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=55509 |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: treewind Date: 09 Nov 04 - 07:45 PM It seems that Brian the Landlord is in favour of Tuesdays, and the second Tuesday of the month is the one we chose so it's no too close to the Castle Camps session (Last Mondays) We can't do any Tuesdays in December, so as far as we're concerned the first session will be on 11 January 2005. If anyone else wants to do something on 14th December (or any other Tuesday) nobody's stopping you. Other days of the week are not so good because of meals being served in the same area. They don't do food Monday and Tuesday, and Mondays there is something else going on that might conflict. Sundays are probably OK too: we can't do them, but if somebody else wants to... It's a lovely big pub, been cleaned up from a complete wreck and the locals are starting to trickle back. Those who were there tonight (including three parish councillors) loved the music, (only the four of us) so it's looking promising. Anahata |
Subject: RE: UK: Suffolk landlord wants session? From: Shanghaiceltic Date: 09 Nov 04 - 11:54 PM Can you please keep future sessions posted as I will be in Cambridge for work over the period 3rd -20th December. I was hoping to get to Dublin but that is out. I would love to be able to get to a session on a Tuesday if there is going to be one in December. Plus it would be great to meet some catters. I am probably the only one here in a population of 1.3B people! |
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