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Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs

katlaughing 25 Oct 04 - 05:58 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 25 Oct 04 - 06:24 PM
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Subject: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 05:58 PM

Bless my brother for making a reel-to-reel recording in the 1950's of mom and dad's old mostly cowboy 78 records. We just found the tapes after not being sure if they had been lost all of these years or not. Treasures!

Anyway, I am using Audacity (thanks, Mudcatters!) to put them on my hard-drive, then they shall be Solstice/Christmas pressies for family and friends. If any of you are interested, please let me know. I think for about $3 to cover the cost of a blank cd and postage, I could share copies with you all. Here are the songs included on these two tapes (unfortunately, he didn't write down all of the artists' names. Bet has the original records, but no access for at least a year.):


Please note: At this later date, I've realised this is going to take two CDs for each set. Because of this, anyone who orders after 30 October 2004, will have to send $10 to cover the cost of the CDs, mailing, etc. THANKS for your understanding!:-)

Cowboy's Lament (sung by "Mac")
I learned about women from her (Crumit?)
Pegleg Jack (no words in the DT! Suprises me)
If I had my druthers
Get Along little dogies
Here's to the Texas Ranger (Sprague)
Lay down, Dogies
Goin' back to Texas
Days of '49 (Jules Allen)
Home on the range

Big rock candy mountain
A tale of the ticker
If your saddle is good and tight
Trail to Mexico
Goodbye, Old Paint
Little Joe, the Wrangler
Jack O'Diamonds
Down by the railroad track
The Strawberry roan
King of Borneo
Under Dakota's cross

Abdul Abulbul Amir
Return of Abdul Abulbul Amir
Dolan's poker party
Old Joe Clark
Jolly Coppersmith
Jesse James
Billy Venero
Texas Rangers
Sam Bass
(from Carmen (Stokowski) I assume he means conducting...well, my brother is a classical composer. Probably won't include this on the cds:-)

Old Chisolm Trail (sung by "Mac")
Frankie and Johnny
Bettin' the roll on Roamer
Ida Red
O'Holligan's O'HOOligan's Ball
Bury me not on the lone prairie
Punchin' the dough
Red River Valley
Jack of all Trades (sung by Bud Billings)
Roving Gambler

kathavingfunlisteningandsingingalong


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 06:24 PM

Kat. Peg Leg Jack is in the Forum. Have a look at these old threads:

Peg Leg Jack 1
Peg Leg Jack 2


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 06:28 PM

Oh! Thanks, George. They didn't come up when I did a search. I suspect because I didn't leave a space between the peg and leg.:-)


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 06:30 PM

No problem. I looked, and there's a song called Here's to the Ranger on this page:

Ranger Ballads


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 06:41 PM

If I Had My Druthers - (Li'l Abner)
If I Had My Druthers - John Denver


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Joybell
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 06:53 PM

How wonderful kat. I'd really love a copy.
Speaking of old treasures - By a happy and totally unexpected chance I just came upon two old 78s made by my grandmother in 1948. Didn't even know she sang. Had no idea she'd made them. Not of any interest to anyone else, of course, but wonderful for me and my cousin.
Anyway, kat, that's just so great.
                                          Joy


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 06:54 PM

Not leaving a space between the Peg & the Leg could be nasty....


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 06:58 PM

:-)FT

Thanks, George!

Joy, that is wonderful! Another tape we found, which is an absolute family treasure is of my maternal grandmother reading us stories of James Whitcomb Riley and others plus myself reading Goldilocks and the three bears when I was four years old and had a teeny-high-pitched voice. My grandmother was a fantastic storyteller and reader, as were my parents. One friend who heard that tape said she can hear my grandma's delivery/style etc. in my voice. THAT made my day!

Thanks, ya'll

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Deckman
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:06 PM

What a treasure. I'm 'gonna PM you. $3 is WAY TOO CHEAP! Bob


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Joybell
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:09 PM

kat, that's so great! I'd love to hear you and your grandmother too. I haven't had our treasure put on CD yet. The records are mildewed and scratched, but we hope to hear at least something. I haven't heard my grandmother's voice since I was 5. I wonder if I sound anything like her? She was a preacher with her own church and each record has a sermon on one side and a song on the other. - We think. Joy


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:19 PM

Git Along Little Dogies
Lay Down Little Dogies
Tale of the Ticker
Keep Your Saddle Tight (alternate Title for IF Your Saddle IS Good and Tight
From http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:-g1R1H8HBUMJ:www.sprague-database.org/01/f6789.htm++%22keep+Your+Saddle+Tight%22&hl=en     Is Your Saddle Is Good and Tight
This song also known as Keep Your Saddle Tight is another example of incorporating a safety message into song. Much as learning ABC's by singing them to a familiar tune, new hires soon were singing the precautions of cattle herding in their sleep. The songwriter takes a lighthearted turn at the end with a message that when approaching marriage "that saddle" should be good and tight as well.

From the same source:
Following The Cow Trail (The Trail To Mexico)
In his magnificent work, He Was A Singin' This Song, Jim Bob Tinsley traces the origins of this song back to the 17th Century English ballad, Early, Early in the Spring, about a young sailor who leaves his true love behind to "board a ship to serve the King". Adapted to the cowboy life, the song tells of hiring out with the Jim Stinson outfit to drive herds to Mexico, actually New Mexico.
The melody is essentially that of I'm Going To Leave Old Texas Now, a much newer tune derived from the song heard here. Sprague's uncle Elias Booth could have worked the Jim Stinson Trail which ran from Matador, Texas to Fort Sumner in New Mexico (later to Fort Apache in Arizona) and would have learned the song there.

The Trail To Mexico
The Trail To Mexico


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:32 PM

Jack O' Diamonds - Lonnie Donegan
Jack O' Diamonds
Jack O' Diamonds
Days of Forty-Nine
Days of 49
Days of Forty-Nine
Little Joe, The Wrangler
Little Joe, The Wrangler


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 07:57 PM

Strawberry Roan
Strawberry Roan
Strawberry Roan
Dakota's Cross
Down By The Railroad Tracks
Billy Venero
Billy Venero - Marty Robbins


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:02 PM

That link to the Ranger Ballads has as its first lyric, Texas Rangers

I haven't located King of Borneo, Going Back To Texas (lots of references though), Dolan's Poker Party, Jolly Coppersmith (again lots of references to sheet music), and I learned about Woman From Her.

I haven't started on the stuff after the Old Chisholm Trail. Some of the others are SO certain to be in the DT that I haven't linked to them. Red River Valley, Cowboy's Lament, Big Rock Candy Mountain are some of these.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:09 PM

Great stuff, George!! Thanks! When I have the time, I will post lyrics of the ones you can't find.

Some folks have PM'd to say they think I am being to *cheap*:-) If anyone feels moved to send a little more than the three bucks, I wouldn't refuse it. Also, for those outside the US, I do have a PayPal acct and will give you the addy if you send me a PM.

Thanks a bunch, folks. It's sure fun to share with ya'll.

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:31 PM

Here's most of the rest. Some of them are too easy, as I mentioned above. Simple search in the DT will find those. O'Holligan's Ball and Punching the Dough I haven't located. Though there are tons of links to Punching the Dough. Title like Jesse James is a little hard to work with.(See Below).

I'm Betting The Roll on Roamer
Ida Red
Ida Red
Ida Red
Ida Red
Roving Gambler
Roving Gambler
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Jack of All Trades
Jesse James
Jesse James
Jesse James
Jesse James
Jesse James


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:32 PM

Thanks Kat. Those that aren't in the DT, If no one else does it, I will post them here tomorrow. Gotta run.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:33 PM

Also, forgot to say, I am going to try to edit out some of the hisses and other noise, though they are not too bad, at least the first one which I did today. I haven't done that before, so there will be a learning curve, though I have read up on it, here. If anyone wants them "raw" just let me know and I will sned them as is (which would also get them to you sooner.:-)


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 08:49 PM

George, listening to these for the second time, I find the lyrics are different from either of the versions you've listed for if I had my druthers. I'll try to get them posted tomorrow. They're really neat.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 09:45 PM

Kat----Be sure to put me down for one as well. It sounds like a great lineup.

I suspect that "Mac" is none other than Harry (Haywire Mac) McClintock himeslf. He was the best of all the balladeers of that type and era in my opinion---- and the writer of "Big Rock Candy Mountain".

Art


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:39 PM

I would be interested in a copy - but it may cost a little more to get it to Australia.

Robin


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:48 PM

Kat, me too.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 11:09 PM

I'll be getting one too - thank you. And at the most convenient season.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

imagine the simple dna structure from a hair is captured multiple from the air - ahhhh - what wonders transformed beyond reason.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 11:25 PM

Art, already gotcha covered, darlin'...you were one of the first I thought of.:-)I'll bet you're right about "Mac."

Robin, I'll find out how much to OZ, okay? Can't be that much more.

Seamus, no problem, thanks. Please folks be sure to let me know if you want them "as is" or after I edit some hissing, etc.

greg/garg...don't know how. I am not willing to share personal info with you, so there'd have to be a trustworthy go-between if you want a copy.

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 11:29 PM

It is done - the skids were greased.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 11:49 PM

Whatever...


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:23 AM

I'm intrigued by the one called O'HOLLIGAN'S BALL. I'd bet that's a misspelling for O'HOOLIGAN'S BALL, which was recorded by Frank Crumit in 1928. Either way, I haven't heard it, and it sounds like it would be a good addition to our collection Lyr Add: Irish songs about balls, wakes, soirees. So I'm interested.

This web page says the flip side of Crumit's O'HOOLIGAN'S BALL was DOLAN'S POKER PARTY, which I see is also in your list and probably also fits the genre.

Hey, I'll bet there's enough info on the Internet to compile a complete description of those records, even if you don't have the labels.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:34 AM

sounds like a great collection. I'll PM


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 03:09 AM

Kat, I'd love a copy. Will PM you. Aren't family treasures great? So glad your brother thought to record them!

Lin


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 11:49 AM

I'll bet you're right, Jim! My sense is my brother would have done one record, both sides one after another, BUT both of those songs are on separate sides of one tape, so maybe not. It certainly sounds like you've got it right, though my bro is usually very meticulous about getting names right, etc. It maybe that my dad sang it as O'Hooligan's and my brother wrote it the way he heard it. I know I've done that with the old songs when I am singing them...dad and mom's versions always come through no matter what some lyrics might say. Same with tunes.:-)

Folks, thanks so much for your interest. I will catch up to you via PM over the next couple of days. I am doing the second r-to-r tape, today, then will start the editing.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 12:55 PM

Have listened to the second tape, now, and it is definitely "O'Hooligan's Ball."


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: DADGBE
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:00 PM

Hi Kat,

I want one o' them CDs myself. Just let me know where to send the three dollars!

Best regards,
Ray Frank


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: open mike
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 01:01 PM

oh this sounds like a wonderful collection...count me in!
i might wait for the cleaned up version in case that makes
quality better -- i don't want to miss a measure! Laurel

i have a 78 of my dad which i found..and it is a comical
song about sitting on a keg in the cellar...i am gonna
go dig it out again!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 02:50 PM

Jim, I am sorry. That was a typo on my part in the track listing. Youa re absolutely right about it being a HOO, not a HOLL! I totally misread your point. Have corrected it now. Thanks.

Laurel, you are counted...do you want the hissing version or the spiffy one?

I think I've answered everyone's PM now. Please let me know if I missed you. Thanks a bunch,

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 05:14 PM

Just tried out the editing program, shareware Goldwave. Wow, thanks to whomever recommended it a couple of years ago. It is going to take me some time to learn to use it, so I just wanted to let you all know...edited versions will not be ready for a while. Sorry...I will try to have them done well before Christmas. Things should slow down a little after next week!:-)


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Joybell
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 06:04 PM

Kat, you have several family treasures don't you. Your brother qualifies as one, I reckon. Cheers, Joy


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 06:11 PM

Kat, looks like the title "I Learned about Woman From Her SHOULD be I Learned About Women From Her. That was the title of one of Frank Crumit's recordings. It was also recorded by Goebel Reeves, but I haven't found the words.


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Subject: Lyr Add: DRUTHERS; TEXAS RANGERS; SAM BASS; etc.
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 06:34 PM

From http://www.geocities.com/WileyMike/2Live.html

Druthers


If I had my druthers I'd go fishing, find myself a lake and a lazy day.
If I had my druthers I'd quit wishing, get off the old caboose get on my way.
Give me whole lots of laughter, great big barrels of fun,
night time full of romance, a daytime full of sun.
 

If I had my druthers I'd go flying, looking for the things I'd like to see.
If I had my druthers I'd be trying, trying, the only way to be what I can be.
Give me somebody to love me, make me feel like the only one,
something that's worth doing, Lord, I feel good when it's well done.
 

If I had my druthers I'd go sailing, catch me camping out on the open sea.
If I had my druthers I'd be singing, just how good this good life feels to me, feels so good.
You just need someone to talk to, something you can share.
You don't need no reason for living, Lord, it's already there, yes it is.
Woooo, woooo, yeah. Makes me giggle, can't sit down.

I'm going fishing.
 

 

From http://www.texasmonthly.com/ranch/ranger/ballads.2.php

Texas Rangers


Come, all you Texas Rangers, wherever you may be,
I'll tell you of some troubles that happened unto me.
My name is nothing extra, so it I will not tell,--
And here's to all you Rangers, I am sure I wish you well.
 

It was at the age of sixteen that I joined the jolly band,
We marched from San Antonio down to the Rio Grande.
Our captain he informed us, perhaps he thought it right,
"Before we reach the station, boys, you'll surely have to fight."
 

And when the bugle sounded our captain gave command,
"To arms, to arms," he shouted, "and by your horses stand."
I saw the smoke ascending, it seemed to reach the sky;
The first thought that struck me, my time had come to die.
I saw the Indians coming, I heard them give the yell;
My feelings at that moment, no tongue can ever tell.
I saw the glittering lances, their arrows round me flew,
And all my strength it left me and all my courage too.
 

We fought full nine hours before the strife was o'er,
The like of dead and wounded I never saw before.
And when the sun was rising and the Indians they had fled,
We loaded up our rifles and counted up our dead.
 

And all of us were wounded, our noble captain slain,
And the sun was shining sadly across the bloody plain.
Sixteen as brave Rangers as ever roamed the West
Were buried by their comrades with arrows in their breast.
 

'Twas then I thought of mother, who to me in tears did say,
"To you they are all strangers, with me you had better stay."
I thought that she was childish, the best she did not know;
My mind was fixed on ranging and I was bound to go.
 

Perhaps you have a mother, likewise a sister too,
And maybe you have a sweetheart to weep and mourn for you;
If that be your situation, although you'd like to roam,
I'd advise you by experience, you had better stay at home.
 

I have seen the fruits of rambling, I know its hardships well;
I have crossed the Rocky Mountains, rode down the streets of hell;
I have been in the great Southwest where the wild Apaches roam,
And I tell you from experience you had better stay at home.
 

And now my song is ended; I guess I have sung enough;
The life of a Rangers I am sure is very tough.
And here's to all you ladies, I am sure I wish you well,
I am bound to go a-ranging, so ladies, fare you well.
 

from Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads, collected by John A. Lomax, (1929, McMillan Company)

Sam Bass

(This one is more about what a great fellow the trainrobber Sam Bass was, and isn't all that complimentary toward the Rangers. But hey, it's an outlaw ballad.)
 

Sam Bass was born in Indiana, it was his native home,
And at the age of seventeen young Sam began to roam.
Sam first came out to Texas a cowboy for to be,--
A kinder-hearted fellow you seldom ever see.
 

Sam used to deal in race stock, one called the Denton mare,
He matched her in scrub races, and took her to the Fair.
Sam used to coin the money and spent it just as free,
He always drank good whiskey wherever he might be.
 

Sam left the Collin's ranch in the merry month of May
With a herd of Texas cattle the Black Hills for to see,
Sold out in Custer City and then got on a spree,--
A harder set of cowboys you seldom ever see.
 

On their way back to Texas they robbed the U.P. train,
And then split up in couples and started out again.
Joe Collins and his partner were overtaken soon,
With all their hard-earned money they had to meet their doom.
 

Sam made it back to Texas all right side up with care;
Rode into the town of Denton with all his friends to share.
Sam's life was short in Texas; three robberies did he do,
He robbed all the passenger, mail, and express cars too.
 

Sam had four companions -- four bold and daring lads --
They were Richardson, Jackson, Joe Collins, and Old Dad;
Four more bold and daring cowboys the Rangers never knew,
They whipped the Texas Rangers and ran the boys in blue.
 

Sam had another companion, called Arkansas for short,
Was shot by a Texas Ranger by the name of Thomas Floyd;
Oh, Tom is a big six-footer and thinks he's mighty fly,
But I can tell you his racket,--he's a deadbeat on the sly.
 

Jim Murphy was arrested, and then released on bail;
He jumped his bond at Tyler and then took the train for Terrell;
But Mayor Jones had posted Jim and that was all a stall,
Twas only a plan to capture Sam before the coming fall.
 

Sam met his fate at Round Rock, July the twenty-first,
They pierced poor Sam with rifle balls and emptied out his purse.
Poor Sam he is a corpse and six foot under clay,
And Jackson's in the bushes trying to get away.
Jim had borrowed Sam's good gold and didn't want to pay,
The only shot he saw was to give poor Sam away.
He sold out Sam and Barnes and left their friends to mourn,--
Oh, what a scorching Jim will get when Gabriel blows his horn.
 

And so he sold out Sam and Barnes and left their friends to mourn,
Oh, what a scorching Jim will get when Gabriel blows his horn.
Perhaps he's got to heaven, there's none of us can say,
But if I'm right in my surmise he's gone the other way.
 

from Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads, collected by John A. Lomax, (1929, McMillan Company)

Here's to the Ranger!

He leaves unplowed his furrow,
He leaves his books unread
For a life of tented freedom
By lure of danger led.
He's first in the hour of peril ,
He's gayest in the dance,
Like the guardsman of old England
Or the beau sabreur of France.
 

He stands our faithful bulwark
Against our savage foe;
Through lonely woodland places
Our children come and go;
Our flocks and herds untended
O'er hill and valley roam,
The Ranger in the saddle
Means peace for us at home.
 

Behold our smiling farmsteads
Where waves the golden grain!
Beneath yon tree, earth's bosom
Was dark with crimson stain.
That bluff the death-shot echoed
Of husband, father, slain!
God grant such sight of horror
We never see again!
 

The gay and hardy Ranger,
His blanket on the ground,
Lies by the blazing camp-fire
While song and tale goes round;
And if one voice is silent,
One fails to hear the jest,
They know his thoughts are absent
With her who loves him best.
 

Our state, her sons confess it,
That queenly, star-crowned brow,
Has darkened with the shadow
Of lawlessness ere now;
And men of evil passions
On her reproach have laid,
But that the ready Ranger
Rode promptly to her aid.
 

He may not win the laurel
Nor trumpet tongue of fame;
But beauty smiles upon him,
And ranchmen bless his name.
Then here's to the Texas Ranger,
Past, present and to come!
Our safety from the savage,
The guardian of our home.
 

from Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads, collected by John A. Lomax, (1929, McMillan Company)


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Subject: Lyr Add: Keep Your Saddle Tight aka IF Your Saddle
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 06:40 PM

From http://www.smsu.edu/folksong/maxhunter/1014/

Keep Your Saddle Tight


A bunch of foaming mustangs
Charging around the corral
You know just how to ride one
No need for me to tell
 

So if you get the right one
An' you know that you are right
Don't step into that saddle
Till you know that it's good an' tight

 

Of all of crazy critters
You ever tried to halter
The one that is the worst one
When she's prancing around the alter


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 06:47 PM

Sometimes he is, Joy...when I listen to his classical compositions he definitely is!:-) If you like non-avant-garde classical, esp. piano, I'll send you one of his, too.

George, you have earned a copy, hands-down! If you'll PM me your addy I'd be happy to do that. Now, I shall transpose I learned about womEn from her, her being "mother." NOT! (Had a more carefuol listen just now!) Thanks for the correction.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE LADIES (Rudyard Kipling)
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 04:51 PM

Boy, don't I feel like an idjit! My dad would be so disappointed in me! Just talked with my brother and told him how much fun this has been. He reminded me that the one song, "I learned about women from her" is actually Kipling's poem, "The Ladies!" So, here 'tis...I will also post it in a LYR ADD thread of its own:

Rudyard Kipling: The Ladies

I've taken my fun where I've found it;
I've rogued an' I've ranged in my time;
I've 'ad my pickin' o' sweet'earts,
An' four o' the lot was prime.
One was an 'arf-caste widow,
One was a woman at Prome,
One was the wife of a jemadar-sais,
An' one is a girl at 'ome.

    Now I aren't no 'and with the ladies,
      For, takin' 'em all along,
    You never can say till you've tried 'em,
      An' then you are like to be wrong.
    There's times when you'll think that you mightn't,
      There's times when you'll know that you might;
    But the things you will learn from the Yellow an' Brown,
      They'll 'elp you a lot with the White!

I was a young un at 'Oogli,
Shy as a girl to begin;
Aggie de Castrer she made me,
An' Aggie was clever as sin;
Older than me, but my first un --
More like a mother she were --
Showed me the way to promotion an' pay,
An' I learned about women from 'er!

Then I was ordered to Burma,
Actin' in charge o' Bazar,
An' I got me a tiddy live 'eathen
Through buyin' supplies off 'er pa.
Funny an' yellow an' faithful --
Doll in a teacup she were,
But we lived on the square, like a true-married pair,
An' I learned about women from 'er!

Then we was shifted to Neemuch
(Or I might ha' been keepin' 'er now),
An' I took with a shiny she-devil,
The wife of a nigger at Mhow;
'Taught me the gipsy-folks' bolee;                              
Kind o' volcano she were,
For she knifed me one night 'cause I wished she was white,
And I learned about women from 'er!

Then I come 'ome in the trooper,
'Long of a kid o' sixteen --
Girl from a convent at Meerut,
The straightest I ever 'ave seen.
Love at first sight was 'er trouble,
She didn't know what it were;
An' I wouldn't do such, 'cause I liked 'er too much,
But -- I learned about women from 'er!

I've taken my fun where I've found it,
An' now I must pay for my fun,
For the more you 'ave known o' the others
The less will you settle to one;
An' the end of it's sittin' and thinkin',
An' dreamin' Hell-fires to see;
So be warned by my lot (which I know you will not),
An' learn about women from me!

    What did the Colonel's Lady think?
      Nobody never knew.
    Somebody asked the Sergeant's wife,
      An' she told 'em true!
    When you get to a man in the case,
      They're like as a row of pins --
    For the Colonel's Lady an' Judy O'Grady
      Are sisters under their skins!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 04:57 PM

Also, I guess these are not going to fit on just one CD, so ya'll will be getting two of them...around two hours of songs! In light of that...if you've already sent the three bucks don't worry about it; if you haven't a little more would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


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Subject: Lyr Add: Going Back To Texas - Partial
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 06:15 PM

Found a link to a MP3 clip among those references to the song Going Back To Texas. It seems to be a Texas Swing type of song. Very nice. Here's the part out of that clip:

Going Back to Texas

I started out from Texas, about a year ago
I started out to make myself a name
I'm going back to Texas, my heart is sad and sore
My weary feet are getting mighty lame.
 
I'm going back to a good old Texas home, home, home,
Down by the sleepy Rio Grande,
Where the lonesome turtledove is breathing
And the moon is shining on the sand.
Going back where the longhorn roam, roam, roam,
And your best friend is your bronco and your gun
And you know I'll never more be leaving Texas
For my rambling days are done.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: GUEST,Penny @ singout0122@netscape.net
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 07:47 PM

Thanks Kat. What a wonderful thing. I would love one. Let me know what to do!

Penny


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 08:49 PM

Here are some tentative identifications of some of your records. I've compiled this list by searching for records that have 2 songs from your list, mainly at The Online Discographical Project. Some of the songs are so rare that this is easy; the technique sort of breaks down when lots of people have recorded the same song. And I suspect there are some cases where your tape includes one side of a disk but not the other.

Carl T. Sprague: Here's to a Texas Ranger / If Your Saddle Is Good and Tight, Victor VI40066, 1926.
Frank Crumit: Abdul Abulbul Amir / Frankie and Johnny, Victor VI20715, 1927.
Frank Crumit: O'Hooligan's Ball / Dolan's Poker Party, Victor VI21579, 1928.
Frank Crumit: I'm Betting the Roll on Roamer / The Return of Abdul Abulbul Amir, Victor 22482, 1930.
Haywire Mac (Harry McClintock): Get Along Little Dogies / Trail to Mexico, Victor VI40016, 1928.
Jules Allen: Days of '49 / Home on the Range, Victor VI21627, 1928.
Marc Williams: Jesse James / Little Joe the Wrangler, Brunswick 269, 1928.
Paul Hamblin: Under Dakota's Cross / Strawberry Roan, Victor VI40260, 1930.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Joybell
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 08:51 PM

Thanks Kat, but our musical development is not at the stage to understand or properly appreciate avant-garde classical. That's how True-Love puts it. He is just starting on Bach. Me - well I'm stuck somewhere a few centuries back with singing milk-maids and street ballad-mongerers.
Your rendition of "The Three Bears" would be greatly appreciated though, along with your grandmother's story-telling and your collection of 78s. Thanks again Kat. Cheers, Joy


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 09:25 PM

Some of these songs, like "Trail to Mexico," have several tunes that have been used. It will be interesting to see the tunes used for the songs in this collection by the various singers.

"Days of '49" was in one of the San Francisco songsters for 1872 (anon. but probably by Charles Rhoades (Silber and Robinson printed some of the words in their book). It was really tied down with new music by Abe Zimmer in 1876 (reproduced in Lingenfelter and Dwyer). I have the lyrics and music (much changed from that printed in 1876) by Jules Verne Allen in his book (1933). It will be nice to hear his recording.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 10:00 PM

Jim, thanks so much! That's just wonderful. Your input, too, Q, thanks!

Joy, we hate avant-garde! My brother does, too. His "hero" is Mozart. When he was at university, he ticked off all of his profs because he refused to write avant-garde and/or minimal. His music is very tonal, classical in the "good" sense, i.e. listenable! The one symphonic piece we have was recorded at its premiere in 1984 and is called the "Ode to the Rockies." The rest is piano, some of it very romantic and rather ravishing.:-)


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 06:25 AM

While I think about it, has anyone heard the 78rpm recording of 'Goodbye Old Paint' made by Tex Ritter in the 1930s?

It would be difficult to imagine a more authentic, spine tingling performance. It should be reissued with other examples of like (but couldn't possibly be better) kind.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 06:32 AM

Is this maybe the 'Old Paint' on kat's tape?


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 02:07 PM

It very well could be, Billy. I'll see if I can get a sample of it uploaded to my website and put a link in here so ya'll can hear it. I know it's the same song, just not sure of the artist.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 02:10 PM

Just had a listen, Billy. Rog nor I think it is Tex. It sounds earlier than that and the voice is fairly high and nasal. It might take me awhile, but I will try to get a sample up.

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 03:43 PM

Kat - it still could be. This is very early Ritter, nothing like his later stuff. Really exciting wahoos!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 03:45 PM

But the test is in the harking! I look forward to it, if you can do it.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 09:38 PM

I don't know if this is going to work or not, but let's try. You should be able to click here and hear a snippet of "Goodbye Ol' Paint.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 09:41 PM

Kewl! It worked!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 10:43 PM

Could be. Whoever, it sounds good!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Stewie
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 12:12 AM

The snippet of 'Old Paint' sounds to me like Harry McClintock [Haywire Mac]. His recording has been reissued on 'When I Was A Cowboy' Vol I Yazoo CD 2022.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 12:18 AM

I'll bet you are right, Stewie, as one of the others on this tape is by Mac, also. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: moocowpoo
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 02:10 AM

A little bit of thread-drift...Kat, have you tried using 'soundforge'?.   It's really good to use for basic stuff and you can timestretch and hear instant previews of your effects or EQ stuff (audacity, spends too much time loading any changes you make). I have Audacity but never use it, it's too akward...Soundforge is so much easier to use. I often use SF to put vinyl and MD recordings onto my computer, it's exo!
Anyway, give it a try sometime and see what you think.
Protools is good as well, more advanced and you can get it free, although, soundforge is good enough for a lot of things I want to do.
moocowpoo.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 04:57 AM

Cakewalk - will also work like SoundForge - cleans up static and background noise.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 10:11 AM

Thanks, moocowpoo...I will look into it. I am actually using GoldWave to cut and paste each song from my master on the harddrive. I just used Audacity to record from the r-to-r to my harddrive. Haven't tried any of the editing options in it, yet though.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 04:17 PM

Kat- just caught up. Thanks for the snippet. Good, but not as good as Tex.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 05:00 PM

Thnaks, Billy. It's good to me because it's the one I grew up hearing.:-) No offense to Tex, though!

Okay, folks, I have just completed the first tape, that is I taped the whole thing so that I wouldn't have to stop and start the fragile tape for each song, then I went in and isolated each song on the harddrive and save it. Over the next couple of days, I will do the same with the second tape and then they will be ready to burn and send out.

It is going to take quite a while to get them edited, I think. Also, I may have the cleaned up ones burnt professionally, which would up the cost just a tiny bit, probably to around $10 to cover the productions, mailing, and time/effort costs. Not to worry, though, those of you who have already requested them will get them no matter. Thanks for all of your interest and input!

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Joybell
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 06:13 PM

I used Soundforge too, Kat. Complete novice I was. I found it really quite easy to use. Good luck with whatever.
I'm going for the raw version because I'm into instant gratification. Looking forward to it all. Thank you again, Kat. Cheers, Joy


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: cobber
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 07:47 PM

I reckon Jim would be right about Frank Crumit singing Abdul. He was immensely popular and you can find his biography here I have several of his 78s including that one.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: cobber
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 07:49 PM

Hey! That's the first time I've tried a clicky and it seems to work!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: cobber
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 07:57 PM

While I'm on the floor, so to speak, I still play my 78s on a wind-up gramophone which has got a bit of work lately as I'm building in the bush and don't have power. You can still buy 78s quite cheaply here in Australia for instance, a year or two back, I was at a church fate and they had a big heap of 78s donated. It was near the end of the fair and I asked the person on the stall how much they were and was told, $1 each or free if you take the lot! I asked if they had a box I could put them in and was charged 50c for that (The stall holder was a friend of mine). When I got them home, they included Slim Dusty's "Pub With No Beer", a treasure in Australia and several old rock and roll records from people like Gene Vincent and Little Richard. Not bad for 50c. By the way, if you record your records straight in to Cool Edit like I do, it has automatic hiss reduction and you can expand the track to pinpoint and remove the worst clicks and scratches.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 08:49 PM

Ah tol' yuh! Twarnt enuf to cover the delivery.
Ah, well, Gargoyle will make up the difference.


I figure if each of us sends $10 it may just cover the materials and postage, but certainly nothing for labor.

Cobber, can't get many 78s here in western Canada anymore (unfortunately mostly gone to landfill), but still very useful lp stuff around. I got a very good 78 player (also an lp player- these are abundant and cheap) that I can use with my amplifier and tape deck. A lot of good superceded equipment around, if you ask at smaller repair shops and goodwill outlets.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 09:01 PM

Q, **bg**...you were right indeed, Sir!

cobber, congrats on the clicky and the 78s! That is really kewl!

My sister's school was going to throw out old phonographs which play 78's. She got me two of them. That's the next thing we hook up to the computer as we have some 78's and LPs we want to put on disc.

Thanks, Joy. I will look into SoundForge.

CoolEdit is not shareware is it?


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 31 Oct 04 - 12:26 PM

CoolEdit got bought out by Adobe. It's now known as Audition. SoundForge is now from Sony.


SoundForge Family


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 31 Oct 04 - 12:44 PM

Count us in, Kat. I'll paypal you the 10 bucks as soon as Tom can get around to it.

Linn

("I'm livin' out where the livin' is grand / And I'm milkin' cows with my old cow hand.")


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Oct 04 - 12:47 PM

Okay, Linn, yer on the list, darlin'!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 06:10 AM

Hi Kat, Enjoyed the snippet. It doesn't sound like Haywire Mac or Tex Ritter to me. Could be Jules Allen?   Burl


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Mark Ross
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:24 AM

GOODBY OLD PAINT is definitely Haywire Mac! I have that recording and there is no doubt. By the way, I'm still looking for Mac's version OF CAN I SLEEP IN YOUR BARN TONIGHT, MISTER? Anyone?

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:30 AM

Thanks, Mark, for the confirmation. Sorry, can't help on the other Mac song.

burl, ya got me. I have to defer to others like Mark. I was too young to make note at the time. Jules Allen is listed as singing Days of 49 and I don't think his voice on that sounds the same as the one doing Old Paint.

Thanks, guys,

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:22 AM

OKay by me Kat. I'm happy to accept Mark's word on this. MY guess at Jules Allen was just that, a guess as I played the clip. I should have checked my record collection. My other guess might have been Carl Sprague. All the best, Burl


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:24 AM

no problem, burl. You guys all know a LOT more about all of these than I...I just know i love the old dears.:-) Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 05:27 PM

I've received several orders by mail from you all. Thanks, very much. I will get them sent out by this coming weekend. I'll send you each a PM when I send yours out.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Stewie
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 10:49 PM

For the record, neither Jules Allen nor Carl Sprague recorded 'Old Paint'. Tex Ritter mostly recorded it under the title 'A Riding Old Paint' and most of those were unissued; his 1933 recording under the title 'Good-bye Old Paint' had no fiddle and was unissued. [cf Meade et alia 'Country Music Sources' and Tony Russell 'Country Music Records'].

Mark, BACM have reissued some Haywire Mac recordings on CD, including the one you want. You will find details on this page: CLICK HERE.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:06 AM

So, if I've got my ducks in a row, we need lyrics for King of Borneo, O'Hooligan's Ball, and Jolly Coppersmith, right? Any others? I may have missed something when cross-checking my list against those in this thread.

Just checking on some of the tracks now. Hope to send them out this morning.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:16 AM

Stewie: If the 1933 recording of 'Goodbye Old Paint' was never issued, how come I have a copy of it on Edison Bell Winner W.21? It is backed by 'Rye Whiskey'. I suppose it is possible, (but it doesn't seem very likely) that it was issued in England and not US.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:20 AM

I refer, of course, to the Tex Ritter 'Old Paint'.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Stewie
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 09:46 AM

Hi Billy, my apologies. I misread the entry in Tony Russell's discography. Ritter made 2 recordings under the title 'Good-bye/Goodbye Old Paint' in 1933 - 13157-2 for ARC was unissued, but 13157-1 was issued on no less than 13 labels including the EBW W21 that you have. Both recordings were accompanied by 'own guitar' only.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 10:38 AM

I've just started a new ADD LYR thread for the version of Jack O'Diamonds which is in this collection. Lomax's version is in the DT under Rye Whiskey. My version has slightly different words.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 10:41 AM

Oh hell! I thought for a minute I had the only copy in the world of this lovely performance! But thanks, Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 03:32 PM

Finally! We sent two CDs out to each of you on the following list, this morning, so you should get them sometime next week, I hope. If you don't see your name on this list, and it should be, please send me a PM. Thanks to everyone!

Jeep Man
Deckman
Joybell - thanks for your CD's. I am really enjoying hearing you both!

Q
frogprince (who sent a Fantastic cowboy song of his own!! We need to talk about that!)

Seamus Kennedy
Art Thieme
John & LininKansas
DADGBE
Louie Roy


Also, Dick Greenhaus...I owe you a set. Will get them out to you next week. Sorry, the above plus about 6 more sets for family etc. kinda snowballed me!:-)

If anyone else is interested, please let me know by PM. To those who wanted cleaned up versions, sorry...I just didn't have the time. You are getting them with all of the grooves, hisses, etc., but I think you'll still find them enjoyable. I explained more in a note in each package.

Thanks a bunch!

SO long, pardners,

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 01:42 AM

Kat,

Received ours today and have been playing them non-stop ever since! What a great collection! And it doesn't matter to me at least that the hisses aren't edited--it just means they sound like I remember them sounding :>)

Thank you so much for all your work, and for sharing the songs with us. There are a couple (Jack O'Diamonds in particular) that I am certain are the versions I used to hear as a kid. Deja vu all over again!

Lin and John


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 06:22 AM

Oh that's great, Lin, thanks so much! My grandson and I are sure enjoying them. This week he learned how to clap, so we're working on the rhythm in the songs now, as well as the melody!

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 12:40 AM

And what Lin and John said goes for me as well, Ms Kat. Thanks so much. I actually enjoy the pops and clicks. To me, they are the sounds of time passing--of people, ghosts maybe (by now), actually using the 78s and adding those few indications of their quick presence. Folk songs have always been my time machines.

Love,

Art


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 03:43 AM

Oh, Art, that's a beautiful way to put it...I've found these were my grandparent's 78s before mom and dad had them, so ghosts indeed, m'dear...as well as my family...we put a lot of wear and tear into some of them, esp. Little Joe.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Nov 04 - 08:25 AM

Thought this was pretty neat and worth re-posting in this thread. From Art Thieme, posted in the "Thanks for the music/fellowship, 'Catters" thread by Fortunato/Chance Shiver:

The Mac McClintock songs are priceless. That's the most complete version of Jesse James I've ever heard...


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78's of old cowboy songs
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 12:55 AM

yeah


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78's of old cowboy s
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Nov 07 - 02:49 PM

I know what somebody is getting from their Secret Santa!**bg**


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: GUEST,Valerie Kurjata
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:04 PM

Hi there,

I am interested in a copy of the CD with the song Under Dakota's Cross. Can you let me know how I can send payment? Also we are in Canada, so is there an extra cost for shipping?

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:19 PM

Kat-
I must have missed this back in 04. Is it still possible to get a copy?
And why not make copies more-or-less permanent Mudcat Auction items? I can do the copying and packaging if it's too much trouble.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:31 PM

HeyaDick, that sounds like a great idea! I have to find the files, first. I think I know which computer they are on. I'll send you a PM as soon as I find them, or give you a call.

Guest,Valerie, if you join Mudcat (it's free and your addy will not be sold/spammed!) I can send you a Personal Message with details. As you can see, it might take a little while to get these going again. If you are in a hurry for Under Dakota's Cross, the lyrics are available on Mudcat and I could probably put a file up on youtube or something which would get you the tune.

I also have to find the artwork I had for them; I think it's on the old computer which is still in operation, I hope!:-)

(Keep in mind, I start a new novel on Nov. 1st and only have until Nov. 30th to get it done! Crazy? Yes! It's all part of NaNoWriMo!)

Thanks for the interest, folks!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 11:12 PM

Good news! It looks as though I have the files on an external hard drive. I am going to be very busy until next Wednesday, at least, depending on how my novel start goes, plus our daughter's wedding party, and the election! So, be patient. I will get to this, folks!{g}


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 09:12 PM

Good news, folks. I have found the files on the external drive, transferred them to this PC and can make a few CDs come the first of the month when my novel is done. It's kind of neat, I am at the part in my novel which comes to the ranch my dad grew up on, listening to these old songs is really bringing it all to mind...lets my imagination go all out!**bg**

Anyway, I'll be in touch with ya'll after the end of the month and thanks for asking! I even found the artwork which includes a photo of my dad as a kid herding cattle with his dad.

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: Mark Ross
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 09:53 PM

Count me in for a copy kat.


Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 09:55 PM

Sure, Mark, be happy to, thanks.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 07:37 PM

Okay, I can come up for air...got the rough draft of the novel done! So, I have a note to myself that the following people want these two CDs:

maeve
Mark Ross
Celtaddict
Melissa
Dick Greenhaus

I think the price back when ten bucks to me for cost of the blanks, envelopes and postage. I don't really care if it's money or trade. If oyu have a CD you think I'd like or something else, let me know and we'll see if we can work something out. I've already agreed to that with a couple of folks.

Dick, yours will be comps...you deserve all the thanks I can give and it will never be enough for what you provide in the DT etc.

The rest of you, if you are still interested, please PM me with your mailing addys. I will ask you all to still be patient. It will take me a little bit to get up to speed what with homemade gifts and all, too.:-)

As near as I can tell, I have all of the cuts listed in this thread on my harddrive. I listened to all that were in the file folders I found while I was writing and they sure sounded good, again. It was kind of neat since I was working on the novel based on my dad's oral history and these 78s belonged to the grandparents I was writing about!

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so
From: DADGBE
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 11:36 AM

Hi Kat,

I'd sure like a copy! Let me know by PM where I can send the money.

Thanks,
Ray


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 12:20 AM

Thanks, Ray. I'll PM you in just a minute.

I am sending out a batch, tomorrow to the following people:

Melissa
Dick Greenhaus
maeve
Celtaddict
Spleen Cringe

Mark Ross, just sent you a PM, too.



Thanks, folks!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: Melissa
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 01:24 PM

Thanks Kat..lovely treasure!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 03:56 PM

And lovely recordings they are! One minor complaint, though--is there w way to find out who recorded what?


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 04:46 PM

In this thread, Dick. Sorry, at the time I made the inserts, I didn't know for sure who was singing what. But, Mudcat being what it is, you will find it all in here, thanks to our really knowledgeable members!

Melissa...big smiles here, thanks!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 11:58 PM

open mike, I sent yours yesterday or the day before. Sorry I didn't post earlier.

Also, Ray and Mark, I forgot you were on my TO-DO list! My apologies! I will get yours out this weekend!

Anyone else?


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 02:52 AM

My copy arrived last week. Great stuff! Thank you Kat!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so
From: Artful Codger
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 04:53 PM

Back on 24 Oct 04, Jim Dixon identified one recording as possibly:
"Marc Williams: Jesse James / Little Joe the Wrangler, Brunswick 269, 1928."
While this may be the source of "Little Joe the Wrangler" on the CDs, "Jesse James" (track 2.6) was sung by Harry McClintock; it's identical to the recording on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 2.

Similarly, I can confirm:
1.11 Big Rock Candy Mountain - Harry McClintock; also on O Brother, Where Art Thou
1.15 Goodbye, Old Paint - Harry McClintock; also on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 1
1.19 The Strawberry Roan - Paul Hamblin; also on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 2
2.9 Sam Bass - Harry McClintock; also on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 1

Home on the Range (1.10): Ken Maynard sang and played this exactly the same way as Jules Allen (but up a step); see When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 2. Don't know which came first.


Here's my reckoning of the attributions pulled together in this thread:
== CD 1 ==
1. Cowboy's Lament - sung by Harry "Haywire Mac" McClintock
2. I Learned About Women from Her - Frank Crumit; text: "The Ladies" by Rudyard Kipling
3. Peg Leg Jack - ? sung by Tex Morton; or Carson Robison and His Pioneers, 1929
4. If I Had My Druthers
5. Get Along, Little Dogies - sung by Harry McClintock, 1928
6. Here's to a Texas Ranger - sung by Carl T. Sprague, 1926
7. Lay Down, Dogies [cf. "Night Herding Song", written by Harry Stephens, c.1909]
8. Goin' Back to Texas
9. Days of '49 - sung by Jules Allen, 1928
10. Home on the Range - sung by Jules Allen, 1928
11. Big Rock Candy Mountain - Harry McClintock
12. A Tale of the Ticker - Frank Crumit, 1929
13. If Your Saddle Is Good and Tight - sung by Carl T. Sprague, 1926
14. Trail to Mexico - Harry McClintock, 1928
15. Goodbye, Old Paint - Harry McClintock
16. Little Joe, the Wrangler - ? Marc Williams, 1928; words: Howard N. "Jack" Thorp
17. Jack O'Diamonds [derived from "Rebel Soldier"]
18. Down by the Railroad Track - Frank Crumit
19. The Strawberry Roan - Paul Hamblin, 1930
20. King of Borneo - Frank Crumit, 1929
21. Under Dakota's Cross - sung by Paul Hamblin, 1930; by Wilf Carter?

== CD 2 ==
1. Abdul Abulbul Amir - sung by Frank Crumit, 1927; by Percy French, 1877
2. Return of Abdul Abulbul Amir - Frank Crumit, 1930
3. Dolan's Poker Party - Frank Crumit, 1928
4. Old Joe Clark
5. Jolly Coppersmith (Der Kreuzfidele Kupferschmied) - music by C. Peter, 1890
6. Jesse James - sung by Harry McClintock
7. Billy Venero - sung by Harry McClintock
8. Texas Rangers - sung by Harry McClintock
9. Sam Bass - sung by Harry McClintock
10. Old Chisolm Trail - sung by Harry McClintock
11. Frankie and Johnny - Frank Crumit, 1927
12. I'm Bettin' the Roll on Roamer - Frank Crumit, 1930
13. Ida Red
14. O'Hooligan's Ball - Frank Crumit, 1928
15. Bury Me Not on the Lone Prairie
16. Punchin' the Dough
17. Red River Valley
18. Jack of All Trades - sung by Bud Billings
19. Roving Gambler


Sheet music for "The King of Borneo" at the National Library of Australia. (They might have other Crumit songs.)

Sheet music for "Jolly Coppersmith" at the Indiana University Sheet Music Collections.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so
From: Artful Codger
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 04:57 PM

JOLLY COPPERSMITH
C. Peter, 1890

1. I am the Jolly Coppersmith, / No one from care is free'r
So long as I have cash / To treat myself to beer,
I am the happiest man on earth / And sing both loud and long,
While each stroke of my hammer keeps / Time to my jovial song.

[ Wenn ich an meinem Ambos steh' und hämm're tüchtig d'rein,
und wenn mir nicht fehlet klein' Geld zu Bier und Wein,
dann bin ich der fidelste Mann, den man sich denken kann
und singe dann zum Ambosschlag, so laut ich singen kann: ]

[Chorus:]
La la la la...

2. And while I mend the pots and pans, / My sweetheart passes by
And peeps thro' the window / With looks so bright and shy,
The sunshine of her glances makes / Me "happy as a king,"
I care for no one, no, not I, / And that is why I sing.

[ Und schaut mein Schatz zum Fenster 'rein und lacht mich freundlich an,
so bin ich auf Erden der kreuzfidelste Mann!
Ihr Blick dringt mir wie Sonnenschein wohl in mein Herze dann,
ich hämm're auf mein Kupfer fein so lang ich hämmern kann! ]

3. And when my long day's work is done, / The moments quickly pass,
I sing to my sweetheart / And empty many a glass,
Thus day by day the hours roll by, / To me dull care's a myth,
I want no prouder title than / The Jolly Coppersmith!

[ Und will sich mir die Sorge nah'n ich klopf' ihr tüchtig auf,
und küsse mein Liebchen, und trink' ein Gläschen d'rauf!
Nicht Noth noch Sorge macht mir bang! Ich sing' ein munt'res Lied
und bleib' mein ganzes Leben lang der lust'ge Kupferschmied! ]

source: sheet music scan at Indiana University


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 05:17 PM

Thanks for pulling that all together, AC! And, for the lyrics. You should be receiving yours any day, now. I got your check and the info and lyrics plus tune! Thanks! I will plunk it out on my music keyboard this evening.

If any of you have not received your CDs by the end of next week, please send me a PM. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: Melissa
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 03:22 AM

With a family reunion in the Sandhills to look forward to (next year) I've been thinking a lot about green kool-aid, hollyhocks, asparagus hunting, branding time..and cowboys.
These cds are providing a fine soundtrack for all that thinking.

In this current round of listening, I got enchanted by 'for if your bovine goes lengthwise' when it caught my ear.
It won't be long before I'm romping around singing "If Your Saddle is Good and Tight"

Thanks again, Kat


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: GUEST,James Barham
Date: 06 Jul 16 - 10:49 AM

Are you still making and selling the CD's of cowboy songs?

If you are I would like to buy them.

Thanks,
James in Texas
jamesbarham@gmail.com


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Jul 16 - 08:44 PM

Guest James;
I regret to tell you that Katlaughing, who was a mainstay of the Mudcat and the one who offered those recordings, passed away just short of three years ago. A bunch of us here still miss her.


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Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: Louie Roy
Date: 06 Jul 16 - 11:17 PM

She was missed by all who knew her a wonderful person and a true friend
Louie Roy


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