Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 02:07 PM

It very well could be, Billy. I'll see if I can get a sample of it uploaded to my website and put a link in here so ya'll can hear it. I know it's the same song, just not sure of the artist.

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 02:10 PM

Just had a listen, Billy. Rog nor I think it is Tex. It sounds earlier than that and the voice is fairly high and nasal. It might take me awhile, but I will try to get a sample up.

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 03:43 PM

Kat - it still could be. This is very early Ritter, nothing like his later stuff. Really exciting wahoos!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 03:45 PM

But the test is in the harking! I look forward to it, if you can do it.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 09:38 PM

I don't know if this is going to work or not, but let's try. You should be able to click here and hear a snippet of "Goodbye Ol' Paint.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 09:41 PM

Kewl! It worked!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 10:43 PM

Could be. Whoever, it sounds good!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Stewie
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 12:12 AM

The snippet of 'Old Paint' sounds to me like Harry McClintock [Haywire Mac]. His recording has been reissued on 'When I Was A Cowboy' Vol I Yazoo CD 2022.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 12:18 AM

I'll bet you are right, Stewie, as one of the others on this tape is by Mac, also. Thanks.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: moocowpoo
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 02:10 AM

A little bit of thread-drift...Kat, have you tried using 'soundforge'?.   It's really good to use for basic stuff and you can timestretch and hear instant previews of your effects or EQ stuff (audacity, spends too much time loading any changes you make). I have Audacity but never use it, it's too akward...Soundforge is so much easier to use. I often use SF to put vinyl and MD recordings onto my computer, it's exo!
Anyway, give it a try sometime and see what you think.
Protools is good as well, more advanced and you can get it free, although, soundforge is good enough for a lot of things I want to do.
moocowpoo.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 04:57 AM

Cakewalk - will also work like SoundForge - cleans up static and background noise.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 10:11 AM

Thanks, moocowpoo...I will look into it. I am actually using GoldWave to cut and paste each song from my master on the harddrive. I just used Audacity to record from the r-to-r to my harddrive. Haven't tried any of the editing options in it, yet though.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 04:17 PM

Kat- just caught up. Thanks for the snippet. Good, but not as good as Tex.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 05:00 PM

Thnaks, Billy. It's good to me because it's the one I grew up hearing.:-) No offense to Tex, though!

Okay, folks, I have just completed the first tape, that is I taped the whole thing so that I wouldn't have to stop and start the fragile tape for each song, then I went in and isolated each song on the harddrive and save it. Over the next couple of days, I will do the same with the second tape and then they will be ready to burn and send out.

It is going to take quite a while to get them edited, I think. Also, I may have the cleaned up ones burnt professionally, which would up the cost just a tiny bit, probably to around $10 to cover the productions, mailing, and time/effort costs. Not to worry, though, those of you who have already requested them will get them no matter. Thanks for all of your interest and input!

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Joybell
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 06:13 PM

I used Soundforge too, Kat. Complete novice I was. I found it really quite easy to use. Good luck with whatever.
I'm going for the raw version because I'm into instant gratification. Looking forward to it all. Thank you again, Kat. Cheers, Joy

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: cobber
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 07:47 PM

I reckon Jim would be right about Frank Crumit singing Abdul. He was immensely popular and you can find his biography here I have several of his 78s including that one.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: cobber
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 07:49 PM

Hey! That's the first time I've tried a clicky and it seems to work!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: cobber
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 07:57 PM

While I'm on the floor, so to speak, I still play my 78s on a wind-up gramophone which has got a bit of work lately as I'm building in the bush and don't have power. You can still buy 78s quite cheaply here in Australia for instance, a year or two back, I was at a church fate and they had a big heap of 78s donated. It was near the end of the fair and I asked the person on the stall how much they were and was told, $1 each or free if you take the lot! I asked if they had a box I could put them in and was charged 50c for that (The stall holder was a friend of mine). When I got them home, they included Slim Dusty's "Pub With No Beer", a treasure in Australia and several old rock and roll records from people like Gene Vincent and Little Richard. Not bad for 50c. By the way, if you record your records straight in to Cool Edit like I do, it has automatic hiss reduction and you can expand the track to pinpoint and remove the worst clicks and scratches.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 08:49 PM

Ah tol' yuh! Twarnt enuf to cover the delivery.
Ah, well, Gargoyle will make up the difference.


I figure if each of us sends $10 it may just cover the materials and postage, but certainly nothing for labor.

Cobber, can't get many 78s here in western Canada anymore (unfortunately mostly gone to landfill), but still very useful lp stuff around. I got a very good 78 player (also an lp player- these are abundant and cheap) that I can use with my amplifier and tape deck. A lot of good superceded equipment around, if you ask at smaller repair shops and goodwill outlets.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 09:01 PM

Q, **bg**...you were right indeed, Sir!

cobber, congrats on the clicky and the 78s! That is really kewl!

My sister's school was going to throw out old phonographs which play 78's. She got me two of them. That's the next thing we hook up to the computer as we have some 78's and LPs we want to put on disc.

Thanks, Joy. I will look into SoundForge.

CoolEdit is not shareware is it?

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From:
Date: 31 Oct 04 - 12:26 PM

CoolEdit got bought out by Adobe. It's now known as Audition. SoundForge is now from Sony.

SoundForge Family

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 31 Oct 04 - 12:44 PM

Count us in, Kat. I'll paypal you the 10 bucks as soon as Tom can get around to it.

Linn

("I'm livin' out where the livin' is grand / And I'm milkin' cows with my old cow hand.")

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Oct 04 - 12:47 PM

Okay, Linn, yer on the list, darlin'!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 06:10 AM

Hi Kat, Enjoyed the snippet. It doesn't sound like Haywire Mac or Tex Ritter to me. Could be Jules Allen?   Burl

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Mark Ross
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:24 AM

GOODBY OLD PAINT is definitely Haywire Mac! I have that recording and there is no doubt. By the way, I'm still looking for Mac's version OF CAN I SLEEP IN YOUR BARN TONIGHT, MISTER? Anyone?

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:30 AM

Thanks, Mark, for the confirmation. Sorry, can't help on the other Mac song.

burl, ya got me. I have to defer to others like Mark. I was too young to make note at the time. Jules Allen is listed as singing Days of 49 and I don't think his voice on that sounds the same as the one doing Old Paint.

Thanks, guys,

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:22 AM

OKay by me Kat. I'm happy to accept Mark's word on this. MY guess at Jules Allen was just that, a guess as I played the clip. I should have checked my record collection. My other guess might have been Carl Sprague. All the best, Burl

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:24 AM

no problem, burl. You guys all know a LOT more about all of these than I...I just know i love the old dears.:-) Thanks!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 05:27 PM

I've received several orders by mail from you all. Thanks, very much. I will get them sent out by this coming weekend. I'll send you each a PM when I send yours out.

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Stewie
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 10:49 PM

For the record, neither Jules Allen nor Carl Sprague recorded 'Old Paint'. Tex Ritter mostly recorded it under the title 'A Riding Old Paint' and most of those were unissued; his 1933 recording under the title 'Good-bye Old Paint' had no fiddle and was unissued. [cf Meade et alia 'Country Music Sources' and Tony Russell 'Country Music Records'].

Mark, BACM have reissued some Haywire Mac recordings on CD, including the one you want. You will find details on this page: CLICK HERE.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:06 AM

So, if I've got my ducks in a row, we need lyrics for King of Borneo, O'Hooligan's Ball, and Jolly Coppersmith, right? Any others? I may have missed something when cross-checking my list against those in this thread.

Just checking on some of the tracks now. Hope to send them out this morning.

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:16 AM

Stewie: If the 1933 recording of 'Goodbye Old Paint' was never issued, how come I have a copy of it on Edison Bell Winner W.21? It is backed by 'Rye Whiskey'. I suppose it is possible, (but it doesn't seem very likely) that it was issued in England and not US.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:20 AM

I refer, of course, to the Tex Ritter 'Old Paint'.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Stewie
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 09:46 AM

Hi Billy, my apologies. I misread the entry in Tony Russell's discography. Ritter made 2 recordings under the title 'Good-bye/Goodbye Old Paint' in 1933 - 13157-2 for ARC was unissued, but 13157-1 was issued on no less than 13 labels including the EBW W21 that you have. Both recordings were accompanied by 'own guitar' only.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 10:38 AM

I've just started a new ADD LYR thread for the version of Jack O'Diamonds which is in this collection. Lomax's version is in the DT under Rye Whiskey. My version has slightly different words.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 10:41 AM

Oh hell! I thought for a minute I had the only copy in the world of this lovely performance! But thanks, Stewie.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 03:32 PM

Finally! We sent two CDs out to each of you on the following list, this morning, so you should get them sometime next week, I hope. If you don't see your name on this list, and it should be, please send me a PM. Thanks to everyone!

Jeep Man
Deckman
Joybell - thanks for your CD's. I am really enjoying hearing you both!

Q
frogprince (who sent a Fantastic cowboy song of his own!! We need to talk about that!)

Seamus Kennedy
Art Thieme
John & LininKansas
DADGBE
Louie Roy


Also, Dick Greenhaus...I owe you a set. Will get them out to you next week. Sorry, the above plus about 6 more sets for family etc. kinda snowballed me!:-)

If anyone else is interested, please let me know by PM. To those who wanted cleaned up versions, sorry...I just didn't have the time. You are getting them with all of the grooves, hisses, etc., but I think you'll still find them enjoyable. I explained more in a note in each package.

Thanks a bunch!

SO long, pardners,

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 01:42 AM

Kat,

Received ours today and have been playing them non-stop ever since! What a great collection! And it doesn't matter to me at least that the hisses aren't edited--it just means they sound like I remember them sounding :>)

Thank you so much for all your work, and for sharing the songs with us. There are a couple (Jack O'Diamonds in particular) that I am certain are the versions I used to hear as a kid. Deja vu all over again!

Lin and John

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 06:22 AM

Oh that's great, Lin, thanks so much! My grandson and I are sure enjoying them. This week he learned how to clap, so we're working on the rhythm in the songs now, as well as the melody!

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 12:40 AM

And what Lin and John said goes for me as well, Ms Kat. Thanks so much. I actually enjoy the pops and clicks. To me, they are the sounds of time passing--of people, ghosts maybe (by now), actually using the 78s and adding those few indications of their quick presence. Folk songs have always been my time machines.

Love,

Art

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 03:43 AM

Oh, Art, that's a beautiful way to put it...I've found these were my grandparent's 78s before mom and dad had them, so ghosts indeed, m'dear...as well as my family...we put a lot of wear and tear into some of them, esp. Little Joe.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Nov 04 - 08:25 AM

Thought this was pretty neat and worth re-posting in this thread. From Art Thieme, posted in the "Thanks for the music/fellowship, 'Catters" thread by Fortunato/Chance Shiver:

The Mac McClintock songs are priceless. That's the most complete version of Jesse James I've ever heard...

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78's of old cowboy songs
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 12:55 AM

yeah

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78's of old cowboy s
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Nov 07 - 02:49 PM

I know what somebody is getting from their Secret Santa!**bg**

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: GUEST,Valerie Kurjata
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:04 PM

Hi there,

I am interested in a copy of the CD with the song Under Dakota's Cross. Can you let me know how I can send payment? Also we are in Canada, so is there an extra cost for shipping?

Thanks.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:19 PM

Kat-
I must have missed this back in 04. Is it still possible to get a copy?
And why not make copies more-or-less permanent Mudcat Auction items? I can do the copying and packaging if it's too much trouble.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:31 PM

HeyaDick, that sounds like a great idea! I have to find the files, first. I think I know which computer they are on. I'll send you a PM as soon as I find them, or give you a call.

Guest,Valerie, if you join Mudcat (it's free and your addy will not be sold/spammed!) I can send you a Personal Message with details. As you can see, it might take a little while to get these going again. If you are in a hurry for Under Dakota's Cross, the lyrics are available on Mudcat and I could probably put a file up on youtube or something which would get you the tune.

I also have to find the artwork I had for them; I think it's on the old computer which is still in operation, I hope!:-)

(Keep in mind, I start a new novel on Nov. 1st and only have until Nov. 30th to get it done! Crazy? Yes! It's all part of NaNoWriMo!)

Thanks for the interest, folks!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 11:12 PM

Good news! It looks as though I have the files on an external hard drive. I am going to be very busy until next Wednesday, at least, depending on how my novel start goes, plus our daughter's wedding party, and the election! So, be patient. I will get to this, folks!{g}

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 09:12 PM

Good news, folks. I have found the files on the external drive, transferred them to this PC and can make a few CDs come the first of the month when my novel is done. It's kind of neat, I am at the part in my novel which comes to the ranch my dad grew up on, listening to these old songs is really bringing it all to mind...lets my imagination go all out!**bg**

Anyway, I'll be in touch with ya'll after the end of the month and thanks for asking! I even found the artwork which includes a photo of my dad as a kid herding cattle with his dad.

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: Mark Ross
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 09:53 PM

Count me in for a copy kat.


Mark Ross