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John in Brisbane 27 Oct 04 - 09:23 AM
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Chris Green 28 Oct 04 - 09:29 AM
Snuffy 28 Oct 04 - 09:48 AM
Jess A 28 Oct 04 - 10:16 AM
Chris Green 28 Oct 04 - 10:24 AM
Moonunit 28 Oct 04 - 05:56 PM
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Herga Kitty 28 Oct 04 - 06:25 PM
GUEST,auggie 28 Oct 04 - 06:36 PM
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MBSLynne 29 Oct 04 - 02:54 AM
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Subject: Folk oboes
From: RAT-W
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 09:12 AM

So, err, Moonunit and I play oboes, anyone else out there willing to reveal there secret?


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 10:16 AM

My daughter plays oboe. It is an exquistite instrument which has many applications in folk music. Kathy Fanning (known as KT here on the 'Cat) used one on a cut on her CD, and it sold me completely on its use.

Stunningly beautiful sound.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Abuwood
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 10:50 AM

Listen to The littlest oboe!

known as "The Creche" in Bridgnorth these kids do great folk with Jude on oboe.


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 11:16 AM

June Maugery's friend Betsy Doriss plays some beautiful oboe on June's CD's (which are self-produced; I can give info on how to get if asked)


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 11:19 AM

Paul Sartin plays oboe in Dr Faustus. Sue Harris used to a lot in several different incarnations but I think she mostly sticks to hammer dulcimer now.


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GLoux
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 11:34 AM

A while back (WAY back), I played guitar behind a flute and an oboe, which played in harmony with each other. It was folk music and it was one of the most beautiful combinations I can think of.

-Greg


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 11:39 AM

John Kirkpatrick's ex-wife Sue Harris played oboe on several of their albums.


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: JWB
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 02:20 PM

David Cantini plays oboe with the contrabands Swallowtail and Wild Asparagus. He also plays bombard on occasion, but we're willing to forgive him.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Jimbob
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 02:32 PM

Joey Oliver (422) plays oboe on 422's 2nd CD. It's really good.


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 26 Oct 04 - 04:06 PM

I put out an EP in the folly of my youth that featured an oboe player. She used to run through a lot of the fiddle tunes in Robin Williamson's fiddle tune book. The instrument has a great tone.


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: muppitz
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 08:50 AM

John Skelton of the House Band played a Bombard, which is just like a mini oboe, it was a fantastic instrument, especially to hear it live!

Muppitz x


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 27 Oct 04 - 09:23 AM

In the printed score of SONG FOR THE MIRA by Allister MacGillivray), there's a delightful intro obligato for oboe. A beautiful song superbly complemented by the oboe.

Regards, John


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GUEST,Auggie
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 09:15 AM

Man, I never heard of a Bombard and I played the Oboe for a dozen years.Does it have a double reed?


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Chris Green
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 09:29 AM

A bombarde is a Breton instrument that looks kind of like a recorder and is fingered in a similar way but has a double reed at the top. Hobgoblin do one for about £25, but be warned - it has been known to induce aural bleeding!


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Snuffy
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 09:48 AM

Yes, bombardes are bleeding loud!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Jess A
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 10:16 AM

they take a lot of puff too - a lot of people I've heard play them only do short bursts at a time (and go very red while doing it!) and some bands have two bombarde players who take turns so that one can play while the others breathe...

check out Breton band (now sadly defunct I believe) Ar Re Yuoank (hope I spelled that right...)


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Chris Green
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 10:24 AM

Our oboist (moonunit, who will doubtless be along shortly!) let me have a go on her bombarde a while ago. It's the only instrument I've ever come across that hurts to play!


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Moonunit
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 05:56 PM

Champion - a thread devoted to oboes! Good work our RAT-W...

I find playing my bombarde a liberating experianceChampion - a thread devoted to oboes! Good work our RAT-W...

Despite the aural bleeding (as mentioned above), I consider playing my bombarde to be a most liberating experience (no really folks, here me out...)! The oboe is mentioned in the Guinness Book of Records (in joint place with the French Horn) as the most difficult instrument to play(?). Imagine if you will, an instrument that although similar to the oboe, is allowed to be "authentically" out of tune, and which doesn't demand of you and your reed that you make a perfectly round, mellow and melodious sound. In fact, the reedier and more raucous the tone, the better - hurrah for bombardes!

Disclaimer: duellingbouzoukis and Isambarde except no responsibility for the views expressed in this posting.

Now, about French Horns - I feel a new thread coming on....


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Moonunit
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 05:59 PM

Ooh - my last post went all squiffy... Ignore the second line - a lot of replicated gobbledygook (not like the rest of my fine posting!!

;-)


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 06:25 PM

IIRC there are also shawms? In the V&A, even - at least there were when I was playing oboe. I'd wanted to learn clarinet, but there was a queue..

Clarinets and saxes are good folk instruments too - depends whether you want an embouchure for single reed or double!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GUEST,auggie
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 06:36 PM

Kitty
Did anybody as a child really want to play the oboe ? My first choice was the fiddle/violin but renting one was an extra $10 a month and since we already had an oboe in the house...

Actually, we had a fiddle in the house too, but at some time in the distant past my mother had felt it would be better to mount it on the wall and fill it with dead flowers rather than let us try to learn to play it.AAugh. The angst of cruel childhood memories. I think I need to go now and e-mail my therapist.


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 28 Oct 04 - 09:08 PM

There is some beautifull oboe on the Milladoiro albums, they play Galician music. Try Auga de Maio a lovely album.


Milladoiro here---->


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: MBSLynne
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 02:54 AM

RAT-W chose the oboe from a list of musical instruments when he was six and has never looked back.

And a thread on French horns will suit his father (el_punkoid_nouveau) because he plays one!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Jen M
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 06:57 AM

My son chose the oboe in fifth grade, he'd played the viola for a year but switched to a wind instrument. It's been a long 6 years but he makes music now. (My daughter chose french horn, an instrument I tried to change her mind about since she couldn't even sing on key at the time, she now studies horn in college. Sometimes I thnk she stuck to it just because I tried to talk her out of it!)


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 07:46 AM

I've seen Bretons playing Breton music on oboe and on clarinet, as well as on Bombarde


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 11:56 AM

Has anyone heard of the jazz band called Oregon ? NOT a folk group but very interesting use of oboe along with 12 string guitar { Ralph Towner } string bass and tablas. Worth checking out if you're in a jazzy mood.


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 04:20 PM

I have just triple tracked my oboe on the Flying Chaucers soon to be finished CD AND I have to admit to playing a Bombarde too....but that wasn't allowed on the CD. Its not even allowed in the same room, or any room for that matter, in fact you can only play it in a far away place!!!!

Sarah


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: RangerSteve
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 07:06 PM

There's an Italian folk oboe, the ciaramello, or something close to that. It's a really pretty sounding instrument. I saw one in the Lark in the Morning catalog a while back.


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Bert
Date: 29 Oct 04 - 07:51 PM

Then there's the Shawm and the Habban.

The Habban is a Bahraini oboe which is played using circular breathing so you get a continuous sound.


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 02:20 AM

Jess A -- they take a lot of puff too - a lot of people I've heard play them only do short bursts at a time (and go very red while doing it!) and some bands have two bombarde players who take turns so that one can play while the others breathe... -- there do we have the functional explanation for the development of the the Breton call-and-response/sonneurs de couple instrumentatl style?? ;-)

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: fogie
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 04:34 AM

Sue still plays the oboe locally where she lives, working with various groups, it still sounds great, but from my own limited experience its a hefty blow! She often uses it to play countermelodies in, and in my opinion sounds best in the more eastern sounding tunes that the band plays. Caroline says that Sue really changed oboeists ideas when she was playing with John, as she played it much more like a bagpipe than had been previously heard( in this country) I agree about Milladoiro 100%


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: MBSLynne
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 09:57 AM

I've just listened again to my new 'Isambarde' CD. Their brilliant sound owes an awful lot to Jude's oboe and it does fit in really well with traditional folkie stuff. It's time a lot of people stopped being quite so hidebound about what you 'can' and 'can't' play on any musical instrument.

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GUEST,noone
Date: 02 Dec 10 - 06:17 PM

i personally think that the oboe has lots of culture most doubt the beauty of the oboe i say there very wrong the oboe sounds amazing


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 01:43 AM

In high school I was "volunteered" to provide "music" for a dance routine that the dance club (all girls) had worked up. They had worked up their routine without benefit of any music. The band director called me in, a little after noon, and informed me that they wanted "exotic music" and my saxophone was about as "weird" as we had.

I went to a half-hour rehearsal at 3:00 pm, but the girls didn't really like the saxophone. Back at the band room, the director suggested that he had an oboe I might use, but there wasn't a reed on the premises.

Bicycling about 6 miles to a music shop that had a reed, and 9 miles home with the reed and the "temporarily checked out oboe" left little time for practice; but at 09:00 am the following day I wrappad a towel around my butt and another as a turban on my head to emulate an "oriental musician," and "composed-on-the-fly" some vaguely appropriate accompaniment for the dance, with an audience of about 700 students.

I didn't get any complaints about my part in the performance, but maybe everyone just wanted to forget about it once it was over. The girls waved a lot of "veils" and produced satifying thumps and thuds on the stage. Per instructions, I checked the oboe back in with the band directore immediately after the "performance."

That was, if I recall, in 1956.

I still have the reed.

It's almost like new.

John


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 04:08 AM

Sue Harris has been mentioned a couple of times; her playing Battle of the Field is a joy & she plays on Bright Phoebus too at one point as well as the duo albums with JK - Old Sir Simon the King stands out in my memory.

Shawms aren't oboes saving that they have double reeds and a conical bore; it's like calling a tomato a fruit - classifying it according to taxonomy rather than culinary usage. Calling a shawm a folk oboe (as many do) has always struck me as perverse.

For the definitive Folk Oboe, however, one must go to a certain Paul Minns of the Third Ear Band, who took his playing back through the various layers of Indo-European folk & medieval musics in an approach which even now remains utterly unique. Here they are their most sublime; just oboe, violin, cello & tambourine - the perfect music for a snowy day....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWNKH7B5mSs


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GUEST,Ghirotondo
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 04:19 AM

Try to hear something of the breton group Skolvan. They play a sort of oboe called Piston, I think one of them developed it.
They have a great drive!
Lanfranco.


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GUEST,Paige
Date: 25 Dec 10 - 07:13 PM

Hey, check out a band called Spinndrift. They're a British band based in North East England but the singer is from Hong Kong and they have an oboist who plays on some of the tracks on the album Far Distant. The player has found a style that has hints of pipes and bombarde.


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GUEST,Paige
Date: 25 Dec 10 - 07:20 PM

I forgot to mention, they're on spotify and i-tunes but watch out because a couple of the tracks run into each other but they're not in the same order so it doesn't quite work. Think it's 'february' into 'spaghetti junction' and 'witch of auldearn' into 'I danced with a girl'


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Tootler
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 10:36 AM

Calling a shawm a folk oboe (as many do) has always struck me as perverse.

It's not perverse at all.

It is generally believed that the oboe was developed from the shawm. Its original name "hautbois", high (ie loud) wood, gives the clue. Shawms were the outdoor instrument par excellence because of their loud and penetrating quality. According to the York Waits, a name often given to a consort of shawms was "A Noyse of Shawms".


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GUEST,Bluesman James
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 11:01 AM

This not really a "folk song" in the traditional sense but Van Morrison on his 2 CD "A night in SF" has a wonderful version of "I forgot that love existed" and it contains a wonderful oboe solo and accompaniment


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 12:24 PM

It's not perverse at all.

It is perverse calling a shawm after an instrument that developed from it - and the term Folk is perverse anyway, though I reckons we're stuck with it. There are many names for a Myriad of Shawms from Tibet to Brittany and all points between & beyond - calling such instruments Folk Oboes is ethnocentric in the extreme. Do we persist in calling single-reed / parallel bore instruments Folk Clarinets? Or the Taragato a Folk Saxophone? Or 1,000 bowed instruments Folk Violins (or worse fiddles?) Whatever the instrument's origin the oboe's dynamic usage over the last 300 years is about as un-folk & un-shawm-like as you could wish to get. That said certain modern reconstructions of Medieval Shawms seem to favour a more oboe-like dynamic, quite unlike that those of the old Alta Capella.

Anyhow - regardless of my reservations on such matters, for some truly Folksy Oboe (and a very special Xmas treat for those of us who truly love such stuff) here's a 27 minute rehearsal session from the Third Ear Band at the Cambodian Embassy in 1988, featuring Paul Minns at his most sublime.

http://ghettoraga.blogspot.com/2010/12/cambodian-embassy-demo-tape.html


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Treacle Bolly
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 02:01 PM

The oboe is very prominently played by Rachel Fletcher on the two LPs made by the group English Air ("English Air", Paradise Records 1983 and "The Space Inbetween", Wye Records 1985). Folk-associated people such as Ric Sanders, Andrew Cronshaw and Micky Barker also play, along with main instigators Vo and Rachel Fletcher. The material is almost all self-composed, the exceptions being two Richard Thompson songs.

This also brings to mind an associated musical project, the Hand On Heart Band who made the album "Hearts Are Broken, Heads Are Turned" in 1990 which also featured Rachel Fletcher on oboe and had a more trad folk flavour. Featured vocalist Nina Szifris is otherwise unknown to me but is well worth hearing !


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Subject: RE: Folk oboes
From: Cuilionn
Date: 27 Dec 10 - 01:44 PM

Anyone ever heard the corneta china, an oboe or bombarde-type instrument played in Cuba? I have only heard it once-- on a field recording of Cuban musicians leading a parade, featured on the program "Afropop" in the late 1980s, but I was absolutely riveted by the sound. Years later, when I first heard the bombarde, I was similarly delighted. I also love oboes. I guess my ears are just attuned to musical bombardement!

--Cuilionn


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