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Scott McCullar 13 Nov 98 - 02:12 PM
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Subject: Burl Ives experts?
From: Scott McCullar
Date: 13 Nov 98 - 02:12 PM

I'm hoping to be put in contact with someone familiar with the recordings of Burl Ives.

When my father was in the Air Force he heard Ives sing the song "River of Smoke" on the radio (so it's pre-1955). The song title is not certain, but contains the lyric "there's a river of smoke rolling over my home town."

I work in libraries myself, so I know how tricky this kind of question can be, and I'm a folk music fan too. I've done a lot of research , and I've searched extensively on-line and in printed materials, but haven't located a discography with complete song listings. I've done business with on-line album vendors and can probably purchase the album, once I can confirm the title and which album it appeared on.

I've repeatedly tried contacting the folks running the official "Burl Ives web page," but they've been unresponsive. Help would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Scott McCullar Smcculla@stic.lib.tx.us 2601 S. Braeswod #404 Houston Texas 77025 Work 713 749-9033 home 713 664-7890


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: Ralph Butts
Date: 13 Nov 98 - 05:46 PM

Hi, Scott

The Milton Eisenhower collection at Johns Hopkins has an extensive index or recorded folk music. They're at:

http://milton.mse.jhu.edu:8001/research/folkindex/

You can also look into the archives at BMI and ASCAP, which register (control) most of the artists (now, or formerly). Try:

BMI Hyper repertiore at:

http://bmi.com/repertoire/database.html

ASCAP at:

http://www.ascap.com/ascap.html

I follow Burl, too, but can't answer your question. Might be in one of the above.

Good hunting………Tiger


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: Dale Rose
Date: 13 Nov 98 - 07:19 PM

A462 IVES BURL RIVER OF SMOKE/BACHELORS LIFE COL 38745 E

Found this in an auction list at http://www.recordfinders.com/con78.html The auction is closed, but at least it shows that you are correct in what you are looking for! Searches at Tunes, Music Boulevard, CD Universe, and CD Now all came up empty, so it is unlikely, though not impossible, that it has been reissued on CD.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: Pablo
Date: 06 Apr 00 - 10:23 PM

How about this? My 1953 (Vintage Press) Burl Ives paperback songbook includes a list of his LPs at the back. Presumably to help us hear versions of the songs. He had a series released by Encyclopedia Britannica that included discs covering different historical periods. I wanted to try and get his versions of songs from the Revolutionary War era. Or must we wait until the great MIDI cornucopia of the future gets around to these? Anyone have a clue about these? Any librarians reading this?

So many thanks. Pablo


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: GUEST,becky
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 10:36 PM

i am looking for the title of a book written by Burl Ives. Our great grandfather read this story to our mother when she was little. It said something like "mish the fish, morse the horse.....sailing on a very fine day....".does anyone know?


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: NH Dave
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 11:42 PM

According to Amazon.com they have this song on an album called Return of the Wayfaring Stranger for about $ 11.00.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 07 - 10:22 AM

Becky,

This title is a Rand McNally Elf Book
Burl Ives Sailing on a Very Fine Day.
Author: Burl Ives
Copyright: 1954


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 11 May 07 - 01:28 PM

River of Smoke / I've Got a Fever In My Bones was issued as a red-label Columbia 78 rpm single in, I think, 1950, one of the last years 78s were issued.

(I don't know about the River of Smoke / Bachelor's Life pairing, but different pairings were frequently tried in an attempt to get the best angle on the market.)

This was one of the best singles Ives ever put out. Up-tempo, beautifully sung and arranged, part of his continuing effort to mix pop with the folksongs he'd introduced to so many people during the 1940s and early 50s. That trend resulted eventually in his leaving folksongs almost entirely for country and pop.

Both songs were standouts of their kind, and this is my favorite duo of all Burl's songs.

I've Got a Fever In My Bones, by Terry Gilkyson (later of the Easy Riders and "author" of a pop recasting of the old island song "Marianne") is a great monkey lust song, undeservedly little-known -- perhaps because PC it ain't. Any farm-raised kid, though, latches onto that song at once and knows exactly how it feels.

River of Smoke, by country writer Bob Hilliard with Carl Sigman, is a different kettle of fish, strong, serious, emblematic of the postwar mood of back-to-work, wife-and-kids, little-white-picket fence responsibility. Its lyrics as best I have been able to restore them from bits and pieces remembered and googled:

RIVER OF SMOKE
HIlliard-Sigman

There's a river of smoke, rollin' over my home town,
Got to get to work, never let the sun shine down,
Black factory smoke, comin' over the hill
From the burnin' furnace of the mill,
But that river of smoke keeps tellin' me things are fine,
'Cause I'm workin' all day, makin' my pay,
Putt'n it away for to marry that gal of mine,
Pretty little gal of mine.

There's a river of smoke, rollin' over my home town,
Black fact'ry smoke, never let the sun shine down,
(line missing here about the factory whistle, not sure about the next either)
(....sayin' hurry, hurry to the mill?).
But the river of smoke keeps tellin' me things are grand,
'Cause I'll buy that ring, and maybe next spring,
I'll build that house on our very own plot of land,
The way that I've always planned.

(bridge)
High as a kite, merry as a meadowlark,
Ev'rything's bright even though the skies are dark.   

Repeat verse 1

An example of the fine sort of folk-like song the era's popular music was capable of when it was really hitting on all cylinders.   Bob


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: Deckman
Date: 11 May 07 - 02:02 PM

I'll use this thread as an excuse to share my most favorite Burl Ives personl story:

The last few years of Burl's life, he lived about an hour and a half North of me in Annacourtess, Washington. We'd exchanged a few letters over the years, but I'd never met him. One day I read in the paper that he was giving a benifit concert, with the proceeds going to a local hospital that he felt "saved his life." I, and many friends, went to that concert. This was in 1991.

After the concert, several of us went to a private gathering for him at the local yaught club ... Burl was an avid deep water sailor. I was in another room when his wife (and nurse) announced the "rules" for the reception line. They were: no autographs and no handshakes, as he was quite tired and ill. I didn't hear those instructions.

I was the last person in the reception line, and as I approached him, I handed him a book that he'd written in 1954 (Tales Of America). I asked him if he'd autograph it for me. He wife, I think her name was Dorothy(?) snatched it out of my hands and scolded me for not obeying the rules!

Burl grabbed the book from her saying: "My Gosh. I haven't seen this book in many years!"

I did the only thing I could think of doing, which was to offer it him! He skimmed through it a little, smiled at me and said: "No Thanks. I wrote it, but I'd sure like to sign it for you."

I still have that book. He died about two years after that. Sorry for the thread creep. Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 11 May 07 - 06:55 PM

Bob,

A great story about a fine folksinger.

I always meant to be in contact with him...

Art


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: Ref
Date: 11 May 07 - 07:00 PM

Great story, deckman. I don't know his music well, except for a record I had as a child. I've read that while he was a gregarious man and treasured companion, he didn't like the company of children at all. I'll have to check out the book.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: Deckman
Date: 11 May 07 - 07:28 PM

No he couldn't stand children ... he always had good taste!


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 11 May 07 - 10:27 PM

I met Mr. Ives at a train station in Lamy, New Mexico, approx September 01, 1970, 5:30 p.m. He was picking up a guitar that came by freight. My butt was a blazing-brush-fire because I had hitched ride in a pickup truck and sat on a bulging burlap bag of New Mexico chiles.

He was gracious, sober, and looked like his publicity photos.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 11 May 07 - 10:29 PM

I was on-the-road and had shipped my accordian and Burl Ives songbook ahead by U.S. Postal...or else, I would have had him sign it.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: iancarterb
Date: 11 May 07 - 11:15 PM

The Return of the Wayfaring Stranger contained:
Springfield Mtn, Little Mohee, Troubadour Song, Lord Randall, Bonnie Weel Lassie, Colorado Trail, Divil and the Farmer, Roving Gambler and John Hardy. No River of Smoke there- I'm reading it off the jacket.   Carter


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: oldhippie
Date: 12 May 07 - 01:06 PM

Anyone know if his recording of "Fifty Years From Now" was a "78"? It doesn't seem to appear on any LP.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 12 May 07 - 03:18 PM

Burl Ives song about/called "THE COMET KAHOUTEC" is simply a camp wonder that has him poking great fun at himself!

I'll try to locate it and put the lyrics here---but the over the top arrangement is a big part of it too.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 May 07 - 03:23 PM

Becky, the book is "Wayfaring Stranger" an autobio of Burl Ives.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 12 May 07 - 03:26 PM

I think "Fifty Years From Now" was written by Harry (Haywire Mac) McClintock.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: Mooh
Date: 12 May 07 - 04:21 PM

Still have an inherited paperback copy of The Burl Ives Songbook (115 American songs with complete piano arrangements and guitar chords) published by Ballantine Books and a cover price of 50 cents. (There was an available clothbound edition for $5.00.) According to the inscription, my mother purchased it in Calgary Alberta on Epiphany 1954. It's tattered and yellowed, but lists 6 albums plus some children's recordings (all on Decca Records) in the back. The funniest album title is "Women: Folk Songs About The Fair Sex". There are also several pages of folk song history.

A lot has happened since 1954.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 12 May 07 - 04:29 PM

Ref 'River of Smoke'. The CD 'Return of the Wayfaring Stranger' contains the song, composer credits to Carl Sigman & Bob Hilliard. It has other Ives folky pops including 'Ghost Riders in the Sky', 'I've Got a Fever In My Bones' (Terry Gilkyson), 'Lady from Laramie'(Gilkyson), and 'The Doughnut Song'(Bob Merrill). The CD is one of two published by 'Collectables Records' The first 'The Wayfaring Stranger' COL CD6474, the second 'Return of the Wayfaring Stranger', COL CD 6662. Website for Collectables is www.oldies.com
Another interesting set released since Ive's death is a 4cd box containing 20 shows from his Philco Radio Show between 1946 -47. It's on Echo Records ECD 006.   For Ives fans these are all worth hearing. I have them all - Got 'em from Camsco.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 07 - 09:15 PM

Almost everything is available on P2P (I have 96 \% of Rodgers....about...56% of Ives...) Thanks for this thread I have a bit more of bait to dangle.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: GUEST,Alex Ives
Date: 23 Mar 09 - 11:16 AM

From what mine of expertise comes the fable that he hated children?


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 09:31 AM

Never met him and maybe a little before my time
but we loved his songs when we were kids.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: GUEST,Elmore
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 11:08 AM

Burl's best album was "Burl Ives Sings for the House Unamerican Activities Committee".


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 11:16 AM

Alex... Are you related? Do you have personal knowledge to rebut certain items?

Burl was a complex man, and as much as he contributed to music, he also upset some people with his political acts.

I was drawn to his singing when I was young, and still listen to his LPs. I try to keep music & history separate, but it is not always possible. If you can help clarify facts, this is a good place.


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Subject: RE: Burl Ives experts?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 11:19 AM

Bill D.
Ives had four adopted children; an Alexander was one of them. So perhaps, yes.


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