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BS: possibly moving to Canada

dianavan 24 Nov 04 - 02:29 AM
CarolC 24 Nov 04 - 01:16 AM
mike_in_st_c 24 Nov 04 - 12:59 AM
CarolC 23 Nov 04 - 10:05 PM
dianavan 23 Nov 04 - 04:35 PM
pdq 23 Nov 04 - 04:06 PM
InOBU 09 Nov 04 - 07:47 PM
GUEST,donuel 09 Nov 04 - 04:12 PM
Don Firth 09 Nov 04 - 04:07 PM
Amos 09 Nov 04 - 01:25 PM
*daylia* 09 Nov 04 - 01:19 PM
TS 09 Nov 04 - 12:41 PM
Ebbie 08 Nov 04 - 09:15 PM
dianavan 08 Nov 04 - 08:55 PM
Amos 08 Nov 04 - 07:15 PM
*daylia* 08 Nov 04 - 04:42 PM
GUEST,Larry K 08 Nov 04 - 03:55 PM
*daylia* 08 Nov 04 - 03:40 PM
*daylia* 08 Nov 04 - 12:55 PM
dianavan 08 Nov 04 - 10:31 AM
*daylia* 08 Nov 04 - 07:28 AM
InOBU 08 Nov 04 - 06:09 AM
*daylia* 07 Nov 04 - 05:49 PM
Cluin 07 Nov 04 - 03:11 PM
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dianavan 07 Nov 04 - 02:59 PM
*daylia* 07 Nov 04 - 08:56 AM
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Metchosin 06 Nov 04 - 02:06 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 02:29 AM

Hey - I think I just discovered the difference between Americans and Canadians.

Canadians have the ability to laugh at themselves!

d


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 01:16 AM

That test was too easy. You should ask things like "what's the name of Don Cherry's (now deceased?) dog, or "what's the name of the store where most Canadians buy their beer", or what is Orillia most famous for besides Gordon Lightfoot and Little Hawk.

(answers: Blue, The Beer Store, McGill Enviornmental porta-potties)

You can get a "Don Cherry's dog Blue Bobble Head Doll here.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: mike_in_st_c
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 12:59 AM

Sooo...You wanna be Canadian, eh? Take this test. 1)The title of Canada's political leader is? a)President b) Prime Minister c)Big Chief d)C.E.O.

2)How are totem poles made? a) they are grown from seed b)crafted by trained wodpeckers c) they are carved by hand d) liquid wood poured into a mold

3) What is an igloo made out of? a)Ice cream b)Twigs and Grass c)Snow and Ice d)Celine Dion's CD's

4) Canadians speak English and... a)French b)Canadese c)American d)Frenglish

5) The symbol on the Canadian flag is... a) a Skidoo b)a Moose c)a Hockey Puck d)a Maple leaf

6) Which word is Canada most famous for? a)Duhhh b)Eh c)Right-o d)Cheers

7) Which animal is Canada'snational symbol? a)the beaver b)Bryan Adams c)Arctic Squirrel d)the Platypus

8)Maple syrup is refined from what? a)Beaver milk b)Maple tree sap c)Lake Erie sludge d) Screech

9) Wayne Gretzky is a famous... a)tap dancer b)Dogsled racer c)Singing Mountie d)Hockey player

10)Canada's official national sport is... a) Snow Shoeing b) Hockey c) Lawn Bowling d)Lacrosse


Answers 1-b, 2-c, 3-c, 4-a, 5-d, 6-b, 7-a, 8-b, 9-d,10-d

Test scores: 9-10 correct, Congratulations, YOU are as Canadian as Stanfield's underwear & back bacon.

5-8 correct.... not bad...eh!

3-4 correct...You should be set adrift on Lake Louise, in a canoe filled with Pierre Berton books.

0-2 correct... Oh! You're American.


I cannot claim authorship of the above test. I got it off a tee-shirt I originally saw in Tobermory, Ontario.
(Hope it provided some laughter and entertainment.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:05 PM

Hell, if they were smart, they'd just marry a Canadian. That's what I did.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:35 PM

actually donuel, the wealthy Chinese immigrant situation has slowed down since Hong Kong has stabilized. They brought with them alot of business. What we need now are trades people. If you are skilled in any of the trades, Vancouver is the place for you but as the post above point out, not much need for art history majors. Lots of artists already here.

d

Very post, pdq

p.s. The devalued American dollar is really playing havoc around here. It used to be that it was an attractive location for the movie industry but ...


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: pdq
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:06 PM

...just got this in an email...


Tuesday, 23 November 2004


The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has
intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols to stop
the illegal immigration.


The re-election of President Bush is prompting the exodus among left leaning
citizens who fear they'll soon be required to hunt, pray and agree with Bill
O'Reilly.


Canadian border farmers say it's not uncommon to see dozens of sociology
professors, animal rights activists and Unitarians crossing their fields at
night.


''I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood
producer huddled in the barn," said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose
acreage borders North Dakota.


The producer was cold, exhausted and hungry.


''He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range chicken. When I
said I didn't have any, he left. Didn't even get a chance to show him my
screenplay, eh?"


In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences,
but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing speakers that blare
Rush Limbaugh across the fields.


''Not real effective," he said. ''The liberals still got through, and Rush
annoyed the cows so much they wouldn't give milk."


Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals near
the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons, drive them across
the border and leave them to fend for themselves.


''A lot of these people are not prepared for rugged conditions," an Ontario
border patrolman said. ''I found one carload without a drop of drinking
water. They did have a nice little Napa Valley Cabernet, though."


When liberals are caught, they're sent back across the border, often wailing
loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumors have been
circulating about the Bush administration establishing re-education camps in
which liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer, learn how to shoot a handgun and watch NASCAR.


In the days since the election, liberals have turned to sometimes ingenious
ways of crossing the border.


Some have taken to posing as senior citizens on bus trips to buy cheap
Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen young vegans
disguised in powdered wigs, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping
buses and quizzing the supposed senior-citizen passengers. Many others were caught wearing
 Birkenstock sandals with young appearing feet in them - a dead giveaway.


''If they can't identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we
get suspicious about their age," an official said.


Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating
an organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the good Susan Sarandon movies.


''I feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can't
support them," an Ottawa resident said. ''How many art-history majors does
one country need?"


In an effort to ease tensions between the United States and Canada, Vice
President Dick Cheney met with the Canadian ambassador and pledged that the
administration would take steps to reassure liberals, a source close to
Cheney said.


''We're going to have some Peter, Paul & Mary concerts. And we might put
some endangered species on postage stamps. The president is determined to
reach out."


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: InOBU
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 07:47 PM

The other nice thing about the Blue states becoming Canadian Provinces, is shorter summers and more snow in the winter. I like it when there is a lot of snow in New York and we can ski down fifth avenue. I for one, would like it if we became a Canadian province and had more snow.
Cheers,
Larry O ( the canadaophile rather than Larry K.)


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: GUEST,donuel
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 04:12 PM

BC is very nice if you can compete with the inflated Real Estate prices the wealthest Chinese are willing to pay.

Toronto is is a good bet but a heck of a lot colder without the Japanese current to keep it warm.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 04:07 PM

Thanks, Amos, for posting the link to "Ten Reasons Not to Move to Canada." I've been to Vancouver, B.C. more times than I can count (it's a beautiful city and I love the place), and I've also been to Victoria once, and to eastern Canada (Kingston, Ont.) where my sister, brother-in-law, and a whole batch of nieces and nephews hang out. My son works in Ottawa for the Canadian government. I would find it very pleasant to live in Canada.

But Seattle is a beautiful city also (even if traffic gridlock is the third worst in the country and as far as a good public transportation system is concerned, we're thirty years behind the times and the current batches of competing transportation planners are a bunch of blithering idiots), I have family here also, and lots of friends, both new and life-long. It would really be a wrench for me to pull up stakes and leave for somewhere else. Were Barbara and I to do something like that, we'd probably go the whole route and move to England (and wothehell! France is just a chunnel-trip away!).

But we're not planning on leaving. I intend to stick around and do what I can in my own small way to see that this country changes direction to a rational and truly compassionate society, while making life miserable for those who think that the acquisition of wealth is more important than the genuine needs of people. Or that forcing our brand of "democracy" on the rest of the world by use of military power is really going to work. Or that declaring conventional, battle-field style wars pre-emptively and indiscriminately is the way to defeat terrorism. The true test of the success of a society is "how well does it treat its most powerless and vulnerable citizens?" And "how well does it get along with its neighbors?"

Do I think I can change this country? Certainly not by myself. But one does what one can. Far better to give it your all and fail than to say "Ah, to hell with it!" and give up.

Don Firth

(I'm ready to charge. Point me at the nearest windmill!)


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Amos
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:25 PM

Larry:

I think your head must be in a very dark place. The people of this country have traidtionally been Allies, friends and lovers of French people, food, wine, places and culture. Does the expression "Lafayette, we are here?" ring a bell? Do you recall why it was spoken? Do you think there is any connection between the French Revolution and our constitution? Culturally, do you think we owe anything to Descartes, Rousseau, Henri Bergson? Do you like the Statue of Liberty?

We became bitter about the French when they tried to protect their Elf Acquitaine oil contracts with Iraq by opposing the overthrow of Iraq by invasion.

As a result, a hate-mongering campaign was started and reflected by a small per centage.

A lot of smoke and noise, but as far as I know, the statement you make is comppletely off-base.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: *daylia*
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:19 PM

Right on, ReelBrew.

And if any of you ladies secretly dream of dancing with a hot hot HOT Canadian guy who really DOES know how to dance (or even just really LOVES to dance) - well, sorry to say it but you'll probably be stuck just dreaming about it for a long long LONG time.

Unless you go to Quebec, that is.

Vive la difference!


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: TS
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 12:41 PM

hmmm...I must say...being a Bilingual Ango-Canadian who grew up in a VERY bilingual region...I dont hate the French...or Quebec...in fact...some of the greatest partying I've done was in Montreal..and some of the most beautiful women I've ever seen were in Montreal...and some of the most amazing sex ever was from French women...so.....that being said...Vive la Belle Province!


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 09:15 PM

" I am sorry, but people in the USA hate the French" Larry K

Wow. Am I out of touch. I don't know anyone who says they hate the French. Maybe I need to live on the East Coast? In Oregon and in Alaska I have heard no such thing. Except from our government. More's the pity. The French have been of great assistance to this country, starting from very early days, indeed. They have pulled our bacon out of the fire on more than one occasion.

I have some friends who do a great deal of traveling- they're gone to Brazil, at the moment- they don't have kids so this is how they like to spend their money- and last year they went to Provence and to Paris. They said they were braced for anti-American sentiment but were met everywhere by friendly, helpful people. They stayed in a couple of B&Bs and enjoyed it very much. Neither of them speaks more than a smattering of French.

I think generalisations tend not to be of much value.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 08:55 PM

Larry K - I live in B.C. and have never heard any hate spewed toward Quebec. In fact, most of my friends consider Quebec the soul of Canada. There is far more criticism of the U.S.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Amos
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 07:15 PM

Ten Reasons Not to Move to Canada for those in desperation because they wake up in a fascist and barbaric nation.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: *daylia*
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 04:42 PM

Well Larry, I've heard all kinds of French-bashing, Quebec-bashing, Ontario-bashing, Native-bashing, Yankee-bashing, whatever-bashing all my life too. But I'd do think there's more a LOT more people out there who simply refuse to hate anybody, or participate in such useless, destructive and divisive behavior.

Yes, the political situation looks precarious, and it's been that way for a very long time. That's why it reminds me of flogging a dead horse.

People can wait a long time in Canada to see a doctor or for elective surgery - but the standards of medical care and practice here are among the highest in the world. ANd it is free, for all citizens - but you do have to stand in line. At least we're pretty polite about standing in line in Canada.

ONe last thought - nothing collapses very easily when it's frozen solid. Hey, maybe there's hope for Canada after all!


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 03:55 PM

Daylia- I think you should take pride in your country. I respect you for that.   It doesn't change the truth however.

I have relatives in Montreal and Ontario.   My previous company had a large Canadian sales force.    I worked with many of them and roomed with the national sales manage at a convention.   In one of my first jobs, I was a guest speaker at the Canadian Sales meeting.    The comments I made about the rest of the country hating Quebec were things I heard first hand from people in Canada.   

In addition, I know several canadian performers.   We are hosting a house concert for the Sirens (from London) on July 31.    I am sorry, but people in the USA hate the French and a large number of people in Canada hate the French in Quebec.   The fact that the vote was so so so close only proves my point.

I will admit, that a large number of people in the USA hate New Yorkers and think Californians are pretty strange.   But no one if voting to actually separate into separate countries.

My mom just had hip surgery.   She met with a doctor who diognosed the problem and three weeks later performed the surgery.   She is home and doing well.   In Canada there is a 9 month wait for hip surgery.   So much for free health coverage.   Be in pain for 9 months and hope the hospital doesn't go out of business.    Anyone who has money comes to the states for their major operations.   If they stayed in Canada the system would collapse.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: *daylia*
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 03:40 PM

Found it! Apparently Venus is enjoying an early morning rendevous with Jupiter this month.

Small world! The planets look exactly the same over Tokyo as they did over Ontario this morning. Except Ontario's sunrise was MUCH prettier

... not that I'm biased or anything ....


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: *daylia*
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 12:55 PM

thanks dianavan. I feel better now that I'm over the shock ... and hey, it does look so VERY PRETTY out there today. The snow does brighten up those muddy brown leafless November days.

PLease pardon me going a little off-topic here - but what a gorgeous sunrise there was this morning! The thick silver snow-clouds blushing rose at the edges were parted just enough to showcase Venus against a clear blue sky, glowing huge and bright in all her awesome beauty.

ANd what IS that other planet so close to her? I've seen it in various positions right beside Venus every morning for about a week now ... does anyone know? If it looked a little redder I'd think it was Mars.

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:31 AM

oh daylia - I totally understand. When I was younger, I accepted Winter as neccesary part of the year and actually liked the clean, white snow. Snow and sun were a great mix. Now - I dread it. Wish I could ski or snowboard. Then, I would welcome it. My kids love the snow and can hardly wait to hit the slopes.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: *daylia*
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 07:28 AM

Oh Canada ... NOOOO Canada ....

woke up this morning
put on my slippers
looked out the window
and cried.

Feel sorry for me ok? I'm possibly moving to Iraq

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: InOBU
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 06:09 AM

Well great minds think alike, I am hearing everywhere the join Canada plan... someone also pointed out it would ballence the move to the right by the Canadian midlands... Well, give the Statue of Liberty a hocky stick and a Labats, here we come, Oh Canada... Larry Otway


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: *daylia*
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 05:49 PM

I think there are quite a few vital reasons for Canadian interest in US politics, economics foremost among them. Some of those reasons are shared with the rest of the world (see above) but for Canada, it's never been a matter of choice. It's more a matter of geography.

There are MANY things that have happened in the US that I'm very grateful did not happen here 10 years later! However, Canada is affected in some way or another by major US events, be they positive or negative. For example, one of the oldest historic buildings in my area is a tiny wooden church built by runaway slaves who'd fled to Canada via the "underground railway" after the Civil War.

Come to think of it, who were the first permanent white settlers in Ontario (or "Upper Canada" as it was called before Confederation)? None other than the *United Empire Loyalists* - the English who'd escaped north after the American revolution! ANd that's just how "connected" we really are.

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 03:11 PM

No country is an island. Not even the island ones anymore.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 03:09 PM

Alice, I hope you're not doing this because of Bush. We need sensible, reality- based people to reclaim our country from a sanguinary and sectarian corporate driven Administration. If we want our civil liberties and a well-functioning government then we're going to have to fight for it and not run off.

If however, you just like Canada, it's a beautiful country and I can understand that.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 02:59 PM

One thing I have observed is that whatever happens in the States, usually happens in Canada about 10 years later. Maybe that is why Canadians are so interested in U.S. politics. Maybe that is why the U.S. should listen to us when we protest from outside the States. We see the pitfalls, we see the trend, we need you to respond to our concerns. We are not the target audience of U.S. media, our news is from several perspectives. We could be your best friend.

So, moving to Canada may only be a means of delaying the inevitable.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: *daylia*
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:56 AM

You're welcome, W-O and Metchosin. The truth is I was being a bit selfish - making those comments and posting those lyrics relieved (somewhat) the heartache and foreboding I'd been feeling ever since I read GUEST Larry's post. Even though that song often brings me tears.

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Willie-O
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 03:37 PM

1. the 1995 Quebec referendum was close, but it was not a referendum on whether to "succeed", or secede, from Canada. The actual question was a tangled mess of semantics about "negotiating sovereignty-association" between Quebec and ROC (Rest Of Canada) , and no one ever figured out quite what that meant. It was a sharp wake-up call though. The whole Quebec nationalism thing has been going on for so long, it has become stable in its instability.

2. Actually I was walking the dog, but said canine has had less pleasant encounters with the ursine species--has a nice scar on her snout to prove it.

3. many thousands of draft-dodgers/deserters from the Vietnam era have stayed, made good lives here, and are valued community members. One is the mayor of my municipality.

4. as for that crap about armed people being more polite, being a non-gun-owner I'll kick your ass if you repeat that old Heinlein cliche again! Maritimers are nicer than anyone, and quite lightly armed as a rule. Frankly I don't think there's a correlation either way.

5. and Daylia, thanks, I thought of posting the lyrics to "Un Canadien Errant" to this thread aussi!

W-O


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Metchosin
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 02:06 PM

Thanks Daylia, IMO Quebec is the very bastion of the "progressive liberal". They experienced first hand the oppression of the lack of separation of church and state and would never go that way again.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 01:13 PM

jOhn,
Us bares gots to eat too. A tourist here and there is no different from humans sampling international food.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 01:10 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: *daylia*
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 08:17 AM

Oops I made a mistake there ... Mr. Bellevance is a Bloc member of Parliament, but not the leader of the Bloc party. Pardon!


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: *daylia*
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 07:51 AM

Larry, imo your concerns about Quebec separating are nothing but a waste of energy. Quebecers were the first Canadians - and they'll probably be the last. The only time we hear rumbles about Quebec separating is when some myopic vote-hungry politician decides there might be an advantage to flogging that tired old horse again.

I'm going to go way WAY out on a pretty red Maple limb and say that Quebecers are, by and large, very proud to be Canadian. And the rest of Canada is just as proud of them. Check out yesterday's CBC report about how Quebec veterans really feel about their flag and their Bloc leaders .

Veterans at a legion hall in Quebec are upset their Bloc MP is still refusing to provide them with new Canadian flags. John Hill said he was told by the riding office of MP André Bellavance that handing out Canadian flags is against Bloc policy ... "If I had to vote to throw him out,[Bloc leader André Bellavance] I'd vote ten times maybe a thousand to throw him out," says Bruno Lavoie, a Second World War veteran. "He doesn't deserve to be there."

Here's a beautiful and old, VERY old folk song from Lower Canada (pre-Confederation Quebec). It illustrates quite well how French Canadians felt ... and I daresay still feel ... about Canada.

Un Canadien Errant

(For those of you who can't manage the French lyric the English translation follows.

Un canadien errant,
Banni des ses foyers,
Un canadien errant,
Banni de ses foyers,
Parcourait en pleurant
Des pays étrangers.
Parcourait en pleurant
Des pays étrangers.

Un jour, triste et pensif,
Assis au bord des flots,
Un jour, triste et pensif,
Assis au bord des flots,
Au courant fugitif
Il adressa ces mots,
Au courant fugitif
Il adressa ces mots:

"Si tu vois mon pays,
Mon pays malheureux,
Si tu vois mon pays,
Mon pays malheureux,
Va, dis à mes amis
Que je me souviens d'eux
Va, dis à mes amis
Que je me souviens d'eux.

"O jours si pleins d'appas
Vous êtes disparus …
O jours si pleins d'appas
Vous êtes disparus,
Et ma patrie, hèlas!
Je ne la verrai plus!
Et ma patrie, hèlas!
Je ne la verrai plus!

"Non, mais en expirant,
O mon cher Canada!
Non, mais en expirant,
O mon cher Canada!
Mon regard languissant
Vers toi se portera,
Mon regard languissant
Vers tois se portera …"


Once A Canadian Lad

Once a Canadian lad,
Exiled from hearth and home,
Wandered, alone and sad,
Through alien lands unknown.
Down by a rushing stream,
Thoughtful and sad one day
He watched the water pass
And to it he did say:

"If you should reach my land,
My most unhappy land,
Please speak to all my friends
So they will understand.
Tell them how much I wish
That I could be once more
In my beloved land
That I will see no more.

"My own beloved land
I'll not forget till death,
And I will speak of her
With my last dying breath.
My own beloved land
I'll not forget till death,
And I will speak of her
With my last dying breath."


One last note ... even if some Blochead did manage to cut the ties that bind us, I really doubt it would be the "end of Canada". We are MUCH bigger than any of our parts. And after all, the rest of the country would still require Ontario's financial support!    ;-)

running for cover now

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: GUEST,Patrick Henry
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:18 PM

Record numbers of applicants

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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:58 PM

Given the current USA election....it is my understanding that movements are underway in Canada to reclaim Maine, Washington, and Vermont, NH, into the northern union of socialistic managment....and three of these four states are eagar to defect.



Sincerely,

Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:14 PM

Oh - I forgot that gay marriages are legal here. Any women out there interested in marrying me and moving downstairs? I will expect a heavy dowry but what price freedom?

d


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:04 PM

Hey - I'm a Canadian and I need some cash. How much is a marriage going for these days? Doesn't sound too bad to me! I even have a little suite in my house that he could rent.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Alice
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:31 PM

Thanks for all the links and comments. Love that marryanamerican site!
Very funny!

Alice


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Susan A-R
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:24 PM

There is a rumor (which is actually dubious) that Vermont built the right to secede into it's constitution. Rumor has it that there is actually a conference on this tomorrow. I believe that the proposal is for Maine, New Hampshire and VT to joine the Maritimes.

That would save a lot of imigration and moving hassles.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 06:09 PM

Just saw a dream map of the future (drawn up by a Canadian, of course): Separate off the states that voted Bush, and join the rest to Canada. The Bush states form a unit (except Alaska).

Label the large northern part "The United States of Canada." Label the cluster of Bush states "Jesusland."

Now isn't that a grand solution?


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Metchosin
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 04:28 PM

It only adds up to 14% in BC, the current provincial government jacked it up and then chopped it .5%......some saving.....but at least we are punished equally by both levels of government.

Cluin, we too have a lot of American friends here, again, all Republicans. Most have migrated from Texas and Arizona and have been buying up waterfront properties on the Island for the last 10 years, to build their summer "cottages".

They never talk about politics. Neither do we.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 04:10 PM

The main think I would worry about living in Canada was Quebec suceeding from the rest of the country.   Do any of you remember about 8 years ago when the vote for Quebec to succeed was as close as the 2000 USA election?

The vote ended up 49.9% to 50.1%.   No one knew how it would turn out the day before the election.   I saw James Keelaghan at the Ark the night before the election and he ended his concert asking everyone to pray for Canada.   He and other knew that if quebec suceeded, it would destroy all of Canada.

48% of the people may have voted for Kerry, but no one in the United States is talking about suceeding from the rest of the country.

PS:   Quebec is to the rest of Candada what red states are to blue states in the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 03:45 PM

"I keep forgetting that you only have a minimal grasp of The Queen's English."

"Spiffing" is the QUEEN'S English? No wonder she has so many troubles.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: GUEST,amergin
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 03:35 PM

i vote for secession.


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 03:29 PM

Don't laugh ReelBrew! I have a can of Poutine gravy in my kitchen, here in Manhatten, just waiting for the cold weather, and a quick run up to Quebec for cheeze curds! Quick, the revolution is starting SEND LABATS!!!!
Vive la Canada, Vive la Paris Neuveau (formerly New York, formerly New Amsterdam)... Oh Canada.... Larry


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Cluin
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:29 PM

She meant 7% GST, as you know. It's 8% for Ontario PST. But it all adds up to 15% total sales tax on most items.

And Janie, opinion was split back then in Canada with regards to the wave of draft-dodgers that came here over 30 years ago. Mostly they were welcomed, I think. But things were better economically back then.

Now, many might think an influx of new immigrants to be a threatening drain on our social safety net and health care system/health plan. But of course, many would likely be professionals and educated people. That would be good and might offset the long term brain-drain problem Canada has been experiencing (educated professionals emigrating south of the border for bigger bucks). I like Americans very much and have many friends there (though most are actually Republican supporters) so I'd welcome any that wished to move here.

But I wouldn't worry about a future military draft if I were you. After all George W. Bush made an election promise not to institute the draft and no politician has ever gone back on one of those, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: Metchosin
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:11 PM

Uh Daylia, 8% GST? I know inflation is insideous, but have you ever checked out any of your receipts?

Here are the rates for Federal income tax for Canada prior to deductions

16% on the first $32,183 of taxable income;
22% on the next $32,185 of taxable income;
26% on the next $40,280 of taxable income; and
29% of taxable income over $104,648

Provincial rates vary according to province and although Alberta has a flat tax of 10% on all income, for income under approximately $62,000, it looks as if you'll still pay less combined provincial and federal income tax on income earned in BC, Ontario and a few others, but will get nicked by the sales tax in the rest of the provinces.

You can do calculations from
this page


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: TS
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:31 PM

haha..larry...sorry..jsut got a great picture in my noggin of a "Canadian Manhattan"...hmmm..close al the pizza shops and hotdog stands and make way for Poutine!..Poutine for everyone!...Can the US keep Boston though?..I'm not a big fan of Boston...we can change the region from New England to "Newer Canada"...hmm..yeah..I like that idea....we can even turn Lady Liberty's crown into a big Maple Leaf hat!


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:03 PM

Hi realbrew... as you may note in my saying that New York et al. should become Candian Provinces... the naming of Canadian Maritime states was a mistype borne of haste... I really want to get the process going of making Canada a little larger and the North East of the US a little more free and comfy... a little nip and tuck, Staten Island would be a small US island off the coast of Canadian Manhattan, but it may be easy to tow it down to the Carolinas...
Cheers
Larry


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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada
From: DougR
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:00 PM

"other than the fact that I was born Canadian which means a lot of course."

Sounds pretty nationalistic to me, L.H. :>)

DougR


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