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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 03 Nov 04 - 04:13 PM Bears are a bit more conservative about what they eat |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Metchosin Date: 03 Nov 04 - 04:33 PM A place where they have electricity? Your're kidding, right? LOL She said she was considering areas in BC on the coast where she could get away from extreme winter conditions, not some patch of tundra in Nunavut, Doug. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Bev and Jerry Date: 03 Nov 04 - 04:37 PM Canada has a much better national anthem than the U.S. (Does that make this a musical thread?) Bev and Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Metchosin Date: 03 Nov 04 - 04:41 PM but only for our son's, Bev and Jerry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Janie Date: 03 Nov 04 - 04:54 PM DevilMaster, Thanks for link! Janie |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Peace Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:51 PM Canada instituted a draft in 1917 (?) and 1943 (?). That's it. I haven't time to check the dates, so I may be incorrect, but if so, only by a year or two. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:38 PM I've lived in Canada most of my life, jOhn, and never yet seen a bear in the wild, though I think I heard one once at a distance when out in the woods picking blueberries. I sang a song to let him know I was there, and he immediately went away. Bears are well aware that people are unpredictable and potentially dangerous, so they generally avoid them if given advance warning. I have lived in both Canada (most of my life) and the USA (for ten years), and I greatly prefer Canada although there is much good one can say about the USA. What I detest about the USA, however, is the general level of paranoia, the delusions of moral grandeur, the rabid nationalism, and the choreographed aggressive patriotism that everyone is deluged in from kindergarten on. What I like about the USA is the geography, the friendly and likeable people, the energy, and the variety. As Canada also has wonderful geography and a friendly society without the other crazy jingoistic warlike stuff...I much prefer Canada. The USA is a great power engaging in grand imperialism. Canada is a small power, minding its own business. That is the deciding factor for me, other than the fact that I was born Canadian, which naturally counts for a lot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: dianavan Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:00 PM Bears will eat almost anything - even progressives! People come to Canada all the time because they do not like the politics or social conditions in their birth countries. It would be no different for Americans. It would be best, however, to apply as a landed immigrant. You do have to wait almost a year but that gives you time to wrap it up and prepare for the transition. To make sure you are accepted, have a tidy sum in the bank (transitions cost money) and make sure you have skills that are in demand. If you have training and skills that are needed, you will have no trouble. If you are a businessperson that plans to hire employees, your chances are even better. Do your homework. As to living off grid - go for it. Its wonderful to live with trees and sky and no wires. It also keeps the population down because most people are afraid to try it. Off grid does not mean no power. Most people I know have a combination of alternate energy sources. I think everyone should have the pleasure of experiencing off grid living. I couldn't stand the Nixon years. I can't even imagine how I could face four more years of Bush. Don't get me wrong, the politics are slimy no matter where you go - its just that our politicians don't think they are on a mission from God. d d |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Blackcatter Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:13 PM Here's a helpful link: Why emmigrate to Canada |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: dianavan Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:35 PM Sorry, I should have permanent resident not landed immigrant. That category was changed a long time ago. The best thing about Canada is that hope is still alive. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: *daylia* Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:45 PM And our politics can be a lot more fun too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Metchosin Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:05 PM dianavan "our politicians don't think they are on a mission from God"? Maybe you weren't living in BC then, but I remember old Wacky Bennett claiming he was plugged into God....mind you, he was defeated around the time he claimed a divine electrial connection, primarily because of the remark. Most here thought he had finally lost his marbles. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Metchosin Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:30 PM perhaps all the hydro electric projects that he was responsible for eventually got to him. LOL Wonder where Bush's legacy will lead him? |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:37 PM devilmaster, which part of my post did you consider particularly sad? That Bush was elected? (Absolutetly!) That Canada has it's own political problems? That just goes without saying. That Americans should stick around and not let Bush win by leaving? It means living with the consequences of the choice made by a bunch of short-sighted or scared people. It does mean the old saying "we have nothing to fear but fear itself" should read "we have nothing to fear but [at least 51% of] ourselves." As to leaving for Canada, this is an answer that puts the son in a difficult situation. My aunt and uncle moved to Canada after living together in the states for a few years after they were married. My aunt was born here, my uncle is Turkish. Immigration folks made things difficult and he had to leave every so often, so they opted to move to Canada after their first child, a son, was born. As he got into his late teens, in the mid-1960s, the border guards in the U.S. began grilling him more and more about where he was born. Once he was 18 he could not come to the U.S. until he made the decision to declare he was a Canadian citizen. For whatever reason there was a period of several years when he didn't dare cross the border for fear of being arrested. I know full-well what I'm talking about when I say that moving to Canada isn't a decision to make lightly. When my mother suggested that she would send my brother to live with my aunt if the draft was still going when he got close to his 18th birthday we knew the same thing was likely to happen. Fortunately the draft ended a few months before anyone had to make that choice. A better plan is for a whole bunch of democrats to join the republican part and dilute it. You can still vote democratic in the elections, and you would forego the primaries, but you could make a difference. Just ask Garrison Keillor. It has been a running gag on A Prairie Home Companion for a couple of years now. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Bardford Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:30 AM Perhaps the time is right to suggest a move to Cascadia , which seems to be a sensible place to live. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: katlaughing Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:30 AM Ron said, You are taking him out of a country and placing him in a new life because of your disagreement with U.S. policy. Kind of like some folks a long time ago did when they started up these here You-(Be)nighted States, eh?:-) Sometimes parents have to do what they think is best for themselves AND their children, period. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Devilmaster Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:49 AM SRS said: devilmaster, which part of my post did you consider particularly sad? Awww.... do I have to pick one particular point of your post? Can't I just say all of it and your subsequent one? Little Hawk said:What I detest about the USA, however, is the general level of paranoia, the delusions of moral grandeur, the rabid nationalism... LH explained my point about your post succintly. Thanks, LH. Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Ellenpoly Date: 04 Nov 04 - 02:47 AM I like the part where Little Hawk said the bears went away when he sang to them. ;-D ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: dianavan Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:45 AM Bradford - I've been trying to sell the idea of Cascadia for a long time. I do think we need to include parts of Alberta, Alaska and Hawaii. We must also establish firm trading agreements with all Pacific Rim Nations. d Can't you design a better-looking pine cone? The flag sucks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: GUEST Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:10 AM Ron said: "the risk of something that may or may not happen is not worth taking him from a lifestyle and opportunites that he now enjoys as a citizen of the United States." Neither the lifestyle or opportunities are less when you live in Canada, thank you very much. (One of the reasons being that the Canada-US economic relationship is the world's largest trading economy--we had a lot of doubts about NAFTA and free trade, and there have been both problems and opportunities associated with them). And if you are native-born US citizen, or your parents were, your US citizenship is not affected by where in the world you live. You can become a citizen of Canada three years after immigrating here, and still keep your US citizenship. The only way you can lose your US citizenship is by specifically, intentionally renouncing it. Bears eat mostly German tourists in Algonquin Park. Seriously, there is very little danger from black bears which are common in wooded areas east of the Rockies. I saw one last week walking the dog (here in rural eastern Ontario). Cougar attacks have become a problem ONLY on Vancouver Island, particularly the north. Greg is right about the trees being gaudy in October but he didn't seem to mind it when he was here last week. Perhaps he is having a delayed reaction and has been seriously traumatized by seeing the world in a different colour... Both times there was a draft implemented in Canada,
These days a draft here is totally out of the question, we could never afford it. We barely have a military. The condition of our military, and the crappy equipment they have, embarrasses even peaceniks. I don't understand why anyone would be judgmental of people thinking of moving elsewhere. Living in a different part of the world than you grew up in is usually a worthwhile experience. We have a long history of getting left-leaning immigrants from the States, while right-wing Canadians move to live in the States. (I would like to apologize up front to you for David Frum. Sorry about that.) Every indication is that this will continue. This conversation is going on in lots of places. Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: *daylia* Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:54 AM LH, I'm surprised you've had only one bear encounter! I've had so many I can't count 'em - from the ones who'd raid my campsite in Algonquin Park to the young black bear who wandered into the churchyard across the street from my house a few years ago. He'd drawn a small crowd of onlookers, standing well back at a safe distance of course -until the police arrived and shooed us away. Then they shot him. That was very upsetting. A couple weeks before a tiger had escaped from an exotic animals compound near here. Thousands and thousands of dollars were spent to hire a helicopter and buy tranquilizer darts to recapture the tiger - but the bear was only worth a couple 50 cent bullets. :-( And his crime? Encroaching on human territory. BUt here's my favorite bear story. The last time I drove through Banff National Park in May 2002, there was an outcry going on in Canmore (just outside the park). Apparently our gov't had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to trap and fit the local grizzlies (an endangered species) with radio collars, even though such interference is highly traumatic and sometimes fatal for the bears. Why the concern over the grizzlies? Because the G8 summit people were meeting in Lake Louise that spring, and wanted the terrorist bears monitored so they could enjoy the park without fear. The aim is to catch as many bears as possible in the 2,500 sq mile Kananaskis wilderness in which the summit will be held. The bears will then be fitted with radio collars that will allow wildlife experts to monitor their movements and warn security officers if a grizzly is approaching any of the world leaders tucked up inside their luxury holiday lodges. Personally, I think the planet would have been much better off if the G8 summit people had been caught and collared, and the bears given minute-by-minute information about their whereabouts. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Willie-O Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:01 AM Sorry, GUEST signed Bill was me. A couple of other things about how to become a Canadian. The easiest way, as always, is to marry one. Worked for my spouse. In fact one of my best friends has married Americans-now-Canadians twice. In the same category, you can also be sponsored by various close relatives as a "family class" immigrant. One of the parts of NAFTA is that trilaterally between Canada, the US and Mexico its very easy to get a work visa if you are an experienced (2 years) professional in various mostly high-tech occupations. Worth looking into if you are interested. I don't know where the documentation is. LH has pretty much exactly nailed how I feel about the US. Winters can be pretty gruelling here, but they are also appealing in a lot of ways. I hear it's going to snow this evening... Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Willie-O Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:35 AM Charmion said about Canada: "we have problems and social divisions every bit as distressing as you have south of the 49th parallel." We have problems all right and they are not trivial, but I beg to strongly differ that they are as distressing as those of the US. In a way I take her point to be that Canada is not a caricature of a "kindler gentler country", it is a real country with plenty of warts. And we get tired of being used as a talking point for arguments between Americans, whether we are being praised or vilified, because in either case there is an unrealistic oversimplification of the issues. For example, we aren't going around invading small countries with which we disagree, we don't have the tragic concept of firearm ownership as a human right, and we have not gone anywhere near as far down the road of privatizing and corporatizing every form of human endeavour that someone thinks they can make a buck from. And we don't have the centuries-old baggage of a slavery-based economy. One thing we do have is a chance to have civilized discussions between people of differing political viewpoints, which is why I am pleased to have Charmion and Edmund as friends, since whatever our differences we have much more in common. Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Janie Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:12 AM Well, I can't marry a Canadian unless I divorce my American or poison him (No, really, Honey, I'm only joking.) I'm not finding much information on-line re: employment for Masters level social workers in Canada. I have worked in all aspects of social work, but now pretty much specialize in mental health. what is the public mental health/behavioral health system like in Canada? Are there many opportunities for psychotherapists or case managers? If not, anyone want to volunteer to (*grin*) adopt us? We can meet the financial requirements, but our ages and professions may be barriers. Those winters are a concern. Bill, you are talking snow while I am wishing we would get a frost so I could stop deadheading dahlias! Janie Janie |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Ebbie Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:12 PM "Seriously, there is very little danger from black bears which are common in wooded areas east of the Rockies. I saw one last week walking the dog (here in rural eastern Ontario)." Guest/6:10. I think it's cool that in Canada the bears occasionally walk one's dog. Here in Alaska, bears and dogs have mostly adversarial relationships. I know a number of Canadians, mostly from the Yukon Territory, mostly specifically from the Whitehorse area. There's a great deal of back and forthing between the YT and southeast Alaska. A couple of Juneau musican friends have pretty much settled across the border. Someone wrote a song where he said that he has discovered that Canadians are just like us- but without guns. Which tends to make them nicer. I'm sure there are exceptions. *G* |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: GUEST,Bardford Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:31 PM You may have already seen these, but I'll add the links anyhoo. Working in Canada Info relating to social work occupations Workopolis More as I find 'em. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:58 PM devilmaster, Little Hawk said: What I detest about the USA, however, is the general level of paranoia, the delusions of moral grandeur, the rabid nationalism... I'm not sure what you're upset about regarding my post. I agree precisely with Little Hawk's assessment--those are behaviors one finds here in the states (in evidently 51% of the people) and they're as obnoxious as hell. And the departure of those who think that's not a good way to conduct oneself as a nation will result in an ever more concentrated obnoxiousness of those remaining. Someone has to bring them back to rational behavior. Canada and Canadians aren't doing anything to cause them to change their behavior. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: chris nightbird childs Date: 04 Nov 04 - 02:00 PM I think with 4 more years of George W., Americans will be anything BUT rational... |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Cluin Date: 04 Nov 04 - 02:09 PM For bears, it depends on what part of Canada you go to. Around here there are lots (even IN town). And they are getting to be a worse problem every year. Not a lot of attacks yet, but they are doing plenty of damage. One tore a neighbour's truck door off to get at a chocolate bar inside. Garbage bags and cans torn open and garbage spread all over. People afraid to go for walks. Live traps are set but the bears almost always come back. Their increasing numbers across north Ontario is widely blamed upon cancellation of the spring bear hunt a few years ago, a move made to please the anti-hunting lobbyists to the south. It harmed some businesses in the north for sure. I don't know whether it is to blame for the bear problems, but I do know the problems have increased since then. There was a bear sighting in Nepean (near Ottawa) late last spring and it practically shut down the school system there for a couple of days till the yearling cub was caught. We have fully grown bears hanging out near schoolyards here all the time. Wonder what the reaction will be when a bear walks down the middle of Yonge Street in Toronto for the first time? |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: GUEST,heric Date: 04 Nov 04 - 02:31 PM "just like us- but without guns. Which tends to make them nicer. " Ebbie, when my brother moved to Los Angeles from Canada, he was amazed at how polite everyone was -- He attributed it to the PRESENCE of guns - using the opposite of your theory. When I took the kids camping in Sequoia National Park (California), we had to tolerate the nightly presence of bears passing between the tents and molesting our cars (not in the Biblical sense.) I thought my son didn't know it, and he didn't say a word there or for several months. Then one day he announced he NEVER wants to camp there again with all the bears. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Metchosin Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:47 PM Something one should know, if one is considering moving to BC is that your medical records will be open to scrutiny by the US government under the US Patriot Act. "Victoria - British Columbia's privacy commissioner says American authorities will be able to use the Patriot Act to get access to the private information on Canadians if personal records are outsourced to U.S. companies. Privacy legislation enacted by the Liberal government of Premier Gordon Campbell will not protect the information on Canadian citizens from prying American officials if the province outsources the management of personal medical records to U.S. companies as it is planning to do. The BCGEU was the first to raise the alarm about the implications of the USA Patriot Act by issuing acourt challenge over the contracting out of the administration of the Medical Services Plan (MSP) tothe Arizona-based Maximus corporation. The government is also contracting out PharmaCare, government payroll, Provincial Revenue, disaster recovery, and workstation support services. Heyman said the union will continue to pursue the matter through the courts and is considering a range of legal options, including seeking an injunction to stop the signing of any further contracts with U.S.-linked companies until the government fulfills the recommendations contained in the privacy commissioner's report." More here |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:11 PM Cluin - Bears are not stupid enough to voluntarily go for a walk down Yonge Street! I think it is wise to always allow some bear hunting, otherwise the bears soon lose their natural fear of humans and that eventually leads to serious trouble. Therefore I strongly support northerners who want the hunt back. There also may be an overpopulation of bears and a shortage of food, causing them to come in closer to town looking for it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Devilmaster Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:01 PM STS said: I agree precisely with Little Hawk's assessment--those are behaviors one finds here in the states (in evidently 51% of the people) Ya know what the true difference is between a Republican and a Democrat? About 18 letters in the alphabet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Cluin Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:12 PM I meant it as hyperbole, LH. But I wouldn't doubt it could happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: dianavan Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:14 PM Lets start a new thread for bear stories. Everyone has a 'bear' story in Canada. I have a few, myself. I think they are scary and unpredictable. Don't believe that story that brown bears are harmless or that all you have to do is make lots of noise and they run away! Hah! Its pretty unsettling when you make lots of noise and they just keep coming... Don't know anybody who has actually been harmed by a bear. Know a few people who have been stalked by grizzlies. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: GUEST,Liberal Flight Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:31 PM It's happening everywhere these days. L.F. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Cluin Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:44 PM Ah, another wave of draft-dodgers. Well, pre-draft dodgers, beating the Christmas rush. Welcome! Welcome! |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Janie Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:36 PM L.F.--Thanks for the chuckle. Doesn't good humor always have a good dose of truth in it? Cluin, et. al., I wonder, within Canada, just how controversial was the phenomenon of that influx of young American draft evaders? How were you Canadians affected? That is certainly information that is essential for us to have as we work on our cost/benefit analysis of each option. To everyone posting informative links and thoughtful comments or discussion---You have really helped me get started doing some serious thinking and information gathering. And Alice, you started this out from a very different place. Movement. Motion of ideas. Music. I have been coming to Mudcat for three years now, and I continue to be wowed by the responses and thoughtful discussion that often occur. At this same time I have a thread going "up top" where I was/am seeking some suggestions on a music-related issue, and people are offering all kinds of good advice. And all of it a gift, Just for the asking. Janie Janie |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Susan A-R Date: 04 Nov 04 - 11:25 PM We've been thinking of this off and on for about seven years, and it did just get a bit more serious 48 hours ago. Thanks for all of the information folks. So, even if I am paying about 20% of my income in state and US taxes, 3,600 in property taxes and another 4,000 in health insurance and health care costs, are the taxes still going to be a shock? |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: *daylia* Date: 05 Nov 04 - 07:50 AM Well Susan, on top of income taxes (ranging from approx 35% for average citizens to 0% for the extremely wealthy) and property taxes (which fluctuate depending on where you live), in Canada we also pay 8% GST (Goods and Services Tax) on everything we buy. Plus, most of the provinces (except Alberta, if memory serves) have their own PST (provincial sales tax). Here in Ontario, the PST and GST add up to an extra 15% on all purchases - except books and most groceries. Yes, most health care is free in Canada but please don't get overly excited about it. People can spend days waiting to see a doctor around here. In fact, newcomers to Canada looking for a family doctor often resort to facing long line-ups in emergency wards and after-hours clinics instead. Also, unless you have additional health insurance prescriptions and other medical needs as well as certain hospitalization costs are your own responsibility. I was watching a report about this on the local news the other night. The shortage of family doctors in my area is growing more serious every year, and what are they blaming it on? Apparently it's because over 50% of all medical school graduates in Canada are now ... you guessed it... WOMEN! Darn those women eh - insisting on reasonably "human" hours at work and cutting down on patient loads so that they can give their families the attention a healthy family requires! ;-) daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: TS Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:53 AM So..looks like some of the American Catters arent the only people contemplating the move...report today on the News said Canadian Immigration website usually takes 20,000 hits/day...since the election its taking over 120,000 hits/day!...the media I guess is calling them "Bush Dodgers" rather then the 60's Draft Dodgers....a nifty website. www.marryacanadian.com .... Slainte! |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Mooh Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:39 AM If voting with the ballot doesn't work, try voting with your feet, but leave your damn guns where you come from. Get a new gun here only if you seriously intend to hunt. Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: InOBU Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:43 AM Here is an idea... The Canadian Maritime states were thinking of petitioning for US statehood if Quebec leaves Canada... well, How about the North Eastern States of the US becoming Canadian Provences... Hell, we are more like you guys then we are like the rest of the country! Cheers Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: TS Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:56 AM no LArry...afew people with big voices suggested the Maritime PROVINCES would benefit if they came States if Quebec gained sovernty..neither one will ever happen......Slainte! |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Paco Rabanne Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:06 AM Stop talking about Bush and rush out and buy Leonard Cohen's new CD. It's spiffing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: *daylia* Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:13 AM "spiffing"? C'est what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: Paco Rabanne Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:17 AM Sorry colonials. I keep forgetting that you only have a minimal grasp of The Queen's English. "spiffing" means good/exciting/excellent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: TS Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:00 PM I have a few words that work well when refering to the queen's english...but...I'm just a colonial.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: DougR Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:00 PM "other than the fact that I was born Canadian which means a lot of course." Sounds pretty nationalistic to me, L.H. :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: possibly moving to Canada From: InOBU Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:03 PM Hi realbrew... as you may note in my saying that New York et al. should become Candian Provinces... the naming of Canadian Maritime states was a mistype borne of haste... I really want to get the process going of making Canada a little larger and the North East of the US a little more free and comfy... a little nip and tuck, Staten Island would be a small US island off the coast of Canadian Manhattan, but it may be easy to tow it down to the Carolinas... Cheers Larry |
