BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Dec 15 - 10:53 AM

It really is time troll guests were prevented from starting threads and swamping them with Islamophobia.
One wonders why it's virtually impossible to blow your nose in the presence of a right-wing extremist without having the thread closed down yet this particular troll can flood this one with over 200 hate messages under 'Guest' and probably another under 'Bearded Bruce' .
Happy Christmas - Forum Fairies - see you after the holiday maybe!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Dec 15 - 10:21 AM

"You did not address anything I said. Just personal abuse."
Now you are stupidly lying -
one more time:
You said
"Not just by me Jim"
and
"liberal democratic governments would have no dealing with Israel"
I replied:
"You mean the ones that (don''t) deal with China and Saudi Arabia and (don't) sell ammunition, riot control equipment and chemicals to Assad's Syria and (democratic) states like Bahrain and poured down burning petrol on Vietnamese farmers and imprison and torture suspects in Guantanamo (Britain ow fully implicated in this)..... and all the other liberal things that have done down the years.
You are probably the most inhuman individual individual I have ever encountered - you claim to be a 'Christian' debases Christianity as I understand it and has as much to do with real Christianity as does Ake's "Socialism" - both are grotesque claims.
Between you, your conscience (if you have one, which I doubt) and you sick troll friend who, along with his "guest" alter-ego - has posted around 200 messages of racism and hatred this thread alone.
A matched pair, I would say"
What the **** is it if it isn't a response - not the one you would have liked, I grant you.
Go away - it's nearly Christmas - try and dig out a modicum of humanity - and take your Antisemitic troll with you..
You really are not worth spending time on
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 15 - 10:15 AM

Maybe this will strike a "chord" with evil, sinning Mudcat musicians:

BEIRUT: Three years of siege, famine and bombing of his Damascus refugee camp didn't kill celebrated musician Aeham al-Ahmad, but something died inside him the day militants burned his beloved piano in front of his eyes. It was then that Ahmad, whose music had brought consolation, even a bit of joy, to Yarmouk camp's beleaguered residents, decided to join thousands of others and seek refuge in Europe.
"They burned it in April, on my birthday. It was my most cherished possession," Ahmad told AFP, which is following his odyssey online, step-by-step. "The piano wasn't just an instrument. It was like the death of a friend."
For 27-year-old Ahmad, whose songs of hope amid the rubble of Syria's largest Palestinian camp became a social media sensation last year, "it was a very painful moment."
After militants attacked the camp in April, Ahmad's gentle, tentative ray of light was engulfed in flames. He was in a pickup truck, trying to move his piano to nearby Yalda, where his wife and two boys were living, when he was stopped at a militant checkpoint.
"Don't you know that music is haram, forbidden by Islam," a gunman asked, before torching his beloved instrument. Ahmad had stayed in Yarmouk until the day ISIS reduced his battered but precious upright piano to ashes.

Hadith Qudsi 19:5: "The Prophet said that Allah commanded him to destroy all the musical instruments, idols, crosses and all the trappings of ignorance." (The Hadith Qudsi, or holy Hadith, are those in which Muhammad transmits the words of Allah, although those words are not in the Qur'an.)

Muhammad also said:
(1) "Allah Mighty and Majestic sent me as a guidance and mercy to believers and commanded me to do away with musical instruments, flutes, strings, crucifixes, and the affair of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance."
(2) "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress."
(3) "Song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart as water does herbage."

CNN) -- Roars, growls and galloping hooves replaced music Tuesday on some of Mogadishu's radio stations in a protest of a ban on music imposed by Islamic extremists.

Radio Shabelle, along with the stations Tusmo and Hornafrik, were responding to threats from Muslim militant groups that believe music is un-Islamic and want it prohibited.

Mogadishu's 14 private radio stations stopped playing music Tuesday after Hizbul al-Islam, an Islamic extremist group, issued a 10-day ultimatum.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Dec 15 - 09:50 AM

I always address what people say Keith

You did not address anything I said. Just personal abuse.

Your support of Israeli terrorim of the type we watched on televisio last year

Again not addressing anything I have actually said. I have never supported terrorism.

your Islamophobic right, extremist wing bigotry.

I have never said anything that could be so construed.
Just personal abuse without addressing anything I have actually said.

I've been asked by Pat (WHO?) to pass on the message that what Israel is doing in the name of the Jews is both disgraceful and a tragedy - and it is not Antisemitic to point that fact out

No accusation of antisemitism from me.
Please just address what people actually say, instead of just making stuff up and ad hominem personal stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Dec 15 - 09:33 AM

"Please just address what people say."
Your support of Israeli terrorim of the type we watched on televisio last year is both historic and notorious
I always address what people say Keith - I no longer wish to address you about anything - you don't listen unless it suits your Islamophobic right, extremist wing bigotry.
Please don't speak until you are spoken to - there's a good lad.
I've been asked by Pat to pass on the message that what Israel is doing in the name of the Jews is both disgraceful and a tragedy - and it is not Antisemitic to point that fact out - there, you have it.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Dec 15 - 08:23 AM

Jim, you did not challenge anything that I actually said.
It was just factual.
Instead you attack me personally, bringing my faith and humanity into it.

Please just address what people say.
Do not make it personal please.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Dec 15 - 04:42 AM

"Factually incorrect"
And Antisemitic by the guidelines of what constitutes Antisemitism, generall accepted by the Jewish people - European Union Definition of Antisemitism (EU definition)

New wording from the Zionist site, "Zionisim on the web"
"Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."

Accusing critics of Israel of being Antisemitic is simply Antisemitic and Bearded Bruce and his alter-ego "guest" - two for the price of one - are blatent Antisemites.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Dec 15 - 04:21 AM

Goo on Jim! Clock him a fucker!

It isn't the Israel within its borders that is an issue but its dealings with its neighbours. Especially when making neighbouring territory internal in the first place.

The most wicked despicable trick in such discussions is saying that criticism of the Israeli government is anti Semitic. Factually incorrect too if you accept it to be a multicultural blah blah.

The last time I was there, I took photos of that bloody Great Wall they built and are still extending. It seemed to be a more accurate record of my visit than taking photos of orange groves.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 10:17 PM

Attempted eh, unlike the UK which succeeded in assisting the terrorist Islamic state of Pakistan to arm itself with nuclear weapons.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 07:11 PM

"non-Whites were not allowed in apartheid South Africa."
Would that be the South Africa that Israel attempted to assist to arm itself with nuclear weapons?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 04:49 PM

Fascinating.
Just pick a subject and give your name. I could write your script for you.

Nice to see braidedbeardedbruce back. I missed laughing at those who know Israel from what they read in newspapers. By the way, I was in Palestine earlier this year. (Looking at ways of using surplus UK medicines to help the oppressed communities.) Do remember to write dangerous bigoted bullshit. I need a good laugh.

zzzzz

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 02:27 PM

"liberal democratic governments would have no dealing with Israel"
You mean the ones that (don''t) deal with China and Saudi Arabia and (don't) sell ammunition, riot control equipment and chemicals to Assad's Syria and (democratic) states like Bahrain and poured down burning petrol on Vietnamese farmers and imprison and torture suspects in Guantanamo (Britain ow fully implicated in this)..... and all the other liberal things that have done down the years.
You are probably the most inhuman individual individual I have ever encountered - you claim to be a 'Christian' debases Christianity as I understand it and has as much to do with real Christianity as does Ake's "Socialism" - both are grotesque claims.
Between you, your conscience (if you have one, which I doubt) and you sick troll friend who, along with his "guest" alter-ego - has posted around 200 messages of racism and hatred this thread alone.
A matched pair, I would say
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 02:09 PM

To call Israel an apartheid state is an expression of ignorance, anti-Semitism, and malice. Israel is by far the most racially mixed and tolerant nation in the entire Muslim Middle East. Arabs, who are about 20% of Israel's population, enjoy, without any exception, the same rights and opportunities in all fields as their Jewish fellow citizens. The total equality of all Israelis is assured in Israel's founding document. All non-Jews (which means primarily Muslim Arabs) have full voting rights. At present, sixteen Arabs sit in Israel's Knesset (parliament). Arabs are represented in Israel's diplomatic service all over the world. Arab students may and do study in all Israeli universities. All children in Israel are entitled to subsidized education until graduation, without any restrictions based on color or religions. In short, Muslim Arabs and other non-Jews are allowed everything that Jews are allowed, everything that non-Whites were not allowed in apartheid South Africa.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 01:39 PM

.....liberal democratic governments would have no dealing with Israel if they believed it was doing that, so not just me.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 01:24 PM

Not just by me Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 01:10 PM

"That is disputed Jim,"
Only by you Keith
Sorry - no intention of indulging your fondness for terrorist states who massacre men women and children non combatants and have no intention of giving you "the oxygen of publicity" you our beloved leader, Mrs T once put it - your total lack of humanity will have to be a matter for you and your conscience.
"The antisemitic Jew hater rears his ugliness again.....puke!"
Never mind - you have your hate-filled troll to keep you warm
"puke" indeed - for you and your friend
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 12:50 PM

That is disputed Jim, and is anyway not what is understood by an "atrocity."

The knifing of random Jews in the street is an atrocity, and I am sure you would not defend it.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 11:45 AM

"Not MY post-"
There goes that cock crowing for the third time again
Bit too much of a coincidence - two Zionist fanatic illiterates on the same forum
Did you know your name occurs nearly 200 times on this thread - that makes it around 100 postings -that's a lorra lorra cultural hatred.
Israel has adopted a policy of blockade and humiliation towards the Arabs, both in Israel and the occupied territories and is in the process of creating an Apartheid state - fairly atrocious to most human beings
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 10:32 AM

so are the atrocities carried out in Israel in th name of Judaiam

There are atrocities being committed in the same region as Israel, but actually in Israel?
Really?
Perhaps you mean the "knife intifada" in Israel, but it is just anti Jew not Judaism.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 08:04 AM

"It is clear that the name calling bullies here are not interested in logic or intellect."
Nope - they're not interested in Islamophobia gone viral Bruce.
If Islamist terrorism is down to the religion, so are the atrocities carried out in Israel in th name of Judaiam - Bruce (by nay other name, but smelling just as unsavoury)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 08:01 AM

There are a few million Muslims here. It's easy to find extremism and it is also easy to shut it down. Imams and community leaders normally working with the authorities to do so.

I went to a normal school yet I recall RE lessons where the teacher, who was also a Methodist minister told us that homosexuality was a sin and that a return to biblical judgement was what society needed.

Funnily enough, I thought he was talking shit, even at 12 years old. I assume my many Muslim friends and colleagues had a similar experience. Whilst the hate shit from so called Christians in the western world persists, the evil bastards who use Islam as a tool will have many young disillusioned men with no prospects lining up. After all, what do they have to lose?

Oh. In reply to the op. Korea. Make sure the pilot googles the right Korea though. No one will give a shit and even China will be giggling through their rehearsed outrage.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 07:42 AM

School chief Shahid Akmal told an undercover Mirror reporter that "white women have the least amount of morals", white children were "lazy" and that British people have "colonial blood".

Akmal claimed that women were "emotionally weaker" than men and that their role was to look after children and the home.

He defended jailing or exiling gays and adulterers under Sharia Law as a "moral position to hold".

Until last week, Akmal was the chairman of governors at Nansen Primary School in Birmingham, where music was banned and inspectors found pupils were not sufficiently protected from radicalisation.

The hardliner revealed he has plans to set up a series of after-school tuition centres to instil "our morals and our values and our principles" in impressionable youngsters.

Over a series of meetings with our reporter, Akmal made a string of extraordinary statements and defended Brits fighting in Syria and Iraq as "freedom fighters".

In a defiant attack, Akmal claimed the Government wanted to keep Muslims "suppressed" so they are easier to control.

Our exposé comes after a leaked official report found there was a "sustained, coordinated agenda to impose segregationist attitudes and practices of a hardline, politicised strain of Sunni Islam" on children

A scathing assessment from schools inspectors Ofsted found that Akmal's board of governors were "overly controlling".

Music had been removed from the timetable and children were "not prepared for life in modern Britain".

Posing as a wealthy Asian ­businessman, our reporter approached Akmal's training firm Exquisitus as a potential client.

Over a number of coaching sessions in London hotels, Akmal revealed his deep hostility to the modern British way of life. He revealed: "My grandfather refused to let us speak English at home. "He said, 'You leave English at the door. When you come inside you speak your own language'.

A scathing assessment from schools inspectors Ofsted found that Akmal's board of governors were "overly controlling". Music had been removed from the timetable and children were "not prepared for life in modern Britain".

Posing as a wealthy Asian ­businessman, our reporter approached Akmal's training firm Exquisitus as a potential client. Over a number of coaching sessions in London hotels, Akmal revealed his deep hostility to the modern British way of life.

He argued that girls should be taught skills such as cooking and sewing while boys should be taught trades like construction and mechanics. Akmal attacked women who became "high flying" politicians: "She has to sacrifice her family, she has to sacrifice her children, she has to sacrifice her husband, all in the name of equality. "And there are so many marriages that have broken up because of this." He admitted that women can be as intelligent as men but added "emotionally women are much weaker... they are not on the same level".

Akmal dismissed a boycott of businesses owned by the Sultan of Brunei over the death penalty in the Middle Eastern country for homosexuality and adultery. He said: "The thing is, it's his right and it's his country, so why shouldn't he?"

Akmal said that homosexuals, adulterers and "fornicators" who have sex outside marriage should be exiled from their community. "The Koranic concept is that anyone who causes disruption in the community, even if you put them in prison, from prison they can continue to cause disruption as well," he said. "So the best thing to do is to actually exile them so that the community can remain solid and united. It's a moral position to hold."

He attacked what he called "man-made" British law as "very confusing" and defended laws "given by God" as "fair even though you may not understand it".

Akmal appeared to defend British Muslims joining rebels in Syria and Iraq, despite official warnings of a terrorism threat when they return to the UK. He said: "The fact that he has gone there to fight, they say that he is supporting terrorists. Because they don't believe in the freedom fight."

He said: "They basically don't want the children to do any better because they will demand education, they will demand better qualifications, they will want to go to Oxford and Cambridge and that's a white only place. "Very few non-whites go there. They want to keep us suppressed. "It's easier to control. If you get ­education you get a mind. When you get a mind, you ask questions. They don't like that."

Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood said: "This investigation backs what I have been trying to fight against.The hardline ideology which put poison in our classrooms"

The schools had a "narrow Islamic-focused curriculum", with evidence of misogynistic, homophobic and antisemitic teaching material, Wilshaw said. Of the three, the only one to be named is Bordesley Independent School, where inspectors found dirty mattresses and a lack of running water in conditions described as unhygienic and filthy.
Sir Michael Wilshaw said he was concerned organisations received "confusing and unhelpful" advice from the Department of Education that they can continue to operate while applying to register.
In a letter to Education Secretary Nicky Morgan, he warned: "This sends out an entirely wrong message of what the DFE perceives to be acceptable practice".
It is thought around 800 pupils across the country are being taught at these schools, which cater to Muslim communities as well as some other faiths. It is the second time in a month that the Ofsted chief inspector has written to Morgan to express alarm over the issue.
The founders of three unregistered schools in Birmingham could face being jailed after the Education Secretary demanded Ofsted prepares prosecution cases against them.
He reported "serious fire hazards, including a blocked fire escape and obstructed exits" and "inappropriate books and other texts including misogynistic, homophobic and anti-Semitic material".
He said such schools were "a serious and growing threat to the safety and wellbeing of hundreds of children in several English regions". "Ofsted's work to ensure that all maintained and independent schools promote British values is being seriously undermined by the growth of these settings".
EXTREMISTS running Islamic schools could be jailed under new powers of prosecution to be given to schools inspectors. Mrs Morgan said: "Tackling extremism in all its forms is a key priority of this Government and since 2010 I have taken robust steps to tackle unregistered schools and improve safeguarding".

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 07:22 AM

It is clear that the name calling bullies here are not interested in logic or intellect.
KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 4, 2015 — Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria reminded federal ministers yesterday against issuing statements based on logic and intellect when it comes to Islam, claiming that the intellect is influenced by desires and subsequently susceptible to the devil.

In a report carried by Malay daily Sinar Harian, the Perak mufti also warned Muslim ministers against deriding and belittling Islamic laws, as they risk breaching their oath of loyalty that was made in the name of Allah.

"I advise them not to go overboard. Islam is based on faith… Don't make any remarks based on the intellect or logic because they are laws of Allah," Harussani said.

"The intellect is governed by desires and it is influence by shaitan (satan). Don't be ruled by desires and rudderless comments," he added, using the name of the Devil in Islamic lore.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 06:39 AM

"I do not fully agree with your assessment of it."
'Course you don't Keith - why would you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 06:32 AM

I will not join this one, but I have seen your programme Jim and kept it for reference.
I do not fully agree with your assessment of it.
I expect we will end up discussing it some time.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:47 PM

That was intended for the 05.01 nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:46 PM

Yeah, right. In your own words now... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:44 PM

"Schools in a Shenandoah Valley county in Virginia were closed Friday and a weekend holiday concert and athletic events were canceled amid an angry backlash about a school lesson involving the Islamic faith"

Are you saying no lesson about Islam should be questioned or complained about?

Not to describe the lesson is an omission of facts.

What was the lesson?

What lessons do they teach in Islamic schools about the Christian faith?

Please elucidate and demonstrate your intelligence.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:01 PM

Name calling is a cognitive bias and a technique to promote propaganda. Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears or arouse positive prejudices with the intent that invoked fear (based on fearmongering tactics) or trust will encourage those that read, see or hear propaganda to construct a negative opinion, in respect to the former, or a positive opinion, with respect to the latter, about a person, group, or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist would wish the recipients to believe. The method is intended to provoke conclusions and actions about a matter apart from an impartial examinations of the facts of the matter. When this tactic is used instead of an argument, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief, based upon its own merits, and becomes an argumentum ad hominem.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 11:18 AM

"All checkable."Disagreeing" with verifiable facts is called denial."
Just what I think - a bit overwhelmed by your response to self-confessed Israeli atrocities
You are flooding this thread with pesonal abuse and Islamophobia and you are in denial of the fact that Israeli right-wing militancy is not only the cause of a good deal of what is happening in the world today, but it also poses one of the greatest threats with its toxic mix of religious zealotry, it policy of expansionism into the lands of others and its possession of nuclear weapons - heads down lads - more abuse on the way
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:31 AM

Religious bias

Hate crimes motivated by religious bias accounted for 1,092 offenses reported by law enforcement. A breakdown of the bias motivation of religious-biased offenses showed:

    58.2 percent were anti-Jewish.

    16.3 percent were anti-Islamic (Muslim).

    6.1 percent were anti-Catholic.

    4.7 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.

    2.6 percent were anti-Protestant.

    1.2 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc.

    11.0 percent were anti-other (unspecified) religion. (Based on Table 1.)

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/incidentsandoffenses_final

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:23 AM

GregF,

Thanks for the info- now look at the figures for hate crimes and note the significant majority are against Jews- That YOU have encouraged.



BTW, whenever you make my name BSBruce I will make yours Greg the rat fucker.

Seems like a FAIR EXCHANGE. You have never demonstrated that any of my statements or presented facts were false, just that YOU did not like them.



The truth is out!

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:10 AM
...we really are too much of a bunch of thick and ignorant "Muppet lefties" ...

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:19 AM

Virginia district cancels school over Islamic lesson
Friday, December 18, 2015

VERONA, Va. (AP) — Schools in a Shenandoah Valley county in Virginia were closed Friday and a weekend holiday concert and athletic events were canceled amid an angry backlash about a school lesson involving the Islamic faith.

Augusta County school officials were alarmed by the volume and tone of the complaints, including some from outside Virginia, according to news reports. In response, additional police were stationed at county schools Thursday.

The outcry in Augusta County comes against the backdrop of a steady drumbeat of anti-Muslim rhetoric by politicians and a nationwide wave of hate crimes targeting Muslims, including physical assaults and acts of vandalism and arson at mosques and Muslim-owned businesses.

--------------
PS:

Good to have you back, BSBruce! The slime content here has been woefully inadequate of late.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:17 AM

More about decent peoples' opinions about GregF and Steve's best buds...


"The UN General Assembly criticized Iran and condemned North Korea over human rights violations in resolutions adopted by the 193-nation body."



http://news.yahoo.com/iran-north-korea-come-under-fire-un-over-031611248.html

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 09:59 AM

" suspect multiple identities here."
Me too - I wonder if BB watched the 'Storyville' programme on television a couple of weeks ago based on recorded interviews carried out by two kibbutzniks, Amos Oz and Avraham Shapira, with Israeli soldiers who had taken part in the Six Day War - I doubt it - not his sort of thing.
The recordings were made within two weeks of the war and around a dozen of the soldiers were interviewed, had what they had said played back to them and were asked to comment.
The original interviews had participants describing the massacre of Arab prisoners and prisoners being being forced to bury those executed and then being executed themselves.
They described the triumphant army routinely destroying Arab settlements that had taken no part in the war - one soldier said it left him with a greater understanding of what it had felt like to experience The Holocaust and two others made the same comparison between the Six Day War and what had happened at the hands of the Nazis.
The triumphalism and persecution that went with the taking of Jerusalem was contrasted with the propaganda newsreel showing happy elderly Arabs smoking hookahs and peacefully sunning themselves.
One of the programme makers, Israeli writer, Amos Oz, stated at the end that the soldiers (which included himself) had told it the way it was, without exaggeration.
The programme is REVIEWED HERE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 09:11 AM

Twenty-one Senate Democrats have asked President Obama to not ignore Iran's second ballistic missile test, which was conducted last month.

"If there are no consequences for this violation, Iran's leaders will certainly also question the willingness of the international community to respond to violations of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) and UN Security Council Resolution 2231," the Dems note in the letter sent to the president today.

It was signed by Ranking Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Ben Cardin (D-Md.) as well as Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Chris Coons (D-Del.), Gary Peters (D-Mich.), Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.), Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Mark Warner (D-Va.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.), Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.).

....

"The November test is Iran's second recent violation of UNSCR 1929, which clearly states 'Iran shall not undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using ballistic missile technology.' Clearly, the Security Council should take appropriate enforcement action against Iran in the face of this violation. On this matter, we recognize and appreciate United Nations Ambassador Samantha Power's ongoing efforts to build support to enforce consequences for the October 10 ballistic missile test by referring the issue to the Iran Sanctions Committee and advocating for a forceful response by the UN Security Council. However, in the time it took the Panel of Experts to make a determination on the first violation, Iran tested another ballistic missile."

The Senate Democrats told Obama that "in the absence of a UN Security Council commitment to enforcing UNSCR 1929, we request that you take action unilaterally, or in coordination with our European allies."

"Such action is essential to make clear to Iran's leaders that there will be consequences for future violations of UN Security Council Resolutions and that the United States reserves the right under the JCPOA to take unilateral action in response to this and other significant actions by Iran in the areas of ballistic missile development, terrorism and human rights."

At a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing today, Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), another "no" vote on the Iran deal, told State Department officials that there's "a very clear sense – and I hope I'm wrong – that what we have here is a permissive environment."

"What we got really was a process in the JCPOA that gave Iran the easy out by really just simply answering questions as they wanted to without really fully coming clean," Menendez said.

Menendez was told that the administration is "seriously considering" a response.


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2015/12/18/21-senate-dems-to-obama-take-action-over-iran-missile-tests

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:55 AM

Philosophical discussions generally consist of productive debate in which two or more people attempt to rationally argue for different sides of a question. They each try to think up and explain a logical argument in support of their position while constructively trying to offer logical rebuttals of the other person's position. Though called arguments, the philosophers generally have a lot of respect for each other and enjoy having the discussion in a friendly tone. In fact, it becomes very difficult to have a worthwhile philosophical discussion without a lot of respectfulness and friendliness. 

Unfortunately, sometimes one person may use an ad hominem argument. An ad hominem argument consists of replying to a person's argument by merely attacking the character of the person making the argument. An ad hominem argument is also called a personal attack or an irrelevant insult. For example, if Joe claims that the sky is blue, Bob would be making an ad hominem argument if he responded by saying, "No, it isn't because you are an ugly moron." 

An ad hominem is a fallacy, and it is illogical. Worse yet, it may cause the discussion to break down into an unproductive name-calling contest. 

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 07:53 PM

And more of the same from you.......sigh!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 07:15 PM

Hmm. I never want to see threads shut down, but let's see if Islamophobia gets a better run than challenges to Christian proselytising.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 06:28 PM

Safe from reality inCanada , very stupid comment, if I may be allowed to say so. but, ignorance should never e underestimated!

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 03:32 PM

So secret that a loser on Mudcat has heard of it.

nothing to see here except bigotry towards Muslims from some idiot safe from reality in Canada and his cheerleader in Hertford.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 03:28 PM

The SC resolutions are directed at both sides of conflicts involving Israel, not just Israel, typically demanding a cessation of hostilities, observance of cease fires, and such.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 02:43 PM

I rest my case.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:29 PM

A secret U.S. policy has blocked immigration investigators from reviewing the social media messages of all foreigners applying for U.S. visas - including that of San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik - it has emerged.

The revelation comes after U.S. officials learned that Malik, who received a fiancee's visa last May, posted extensive social messages the FBI said included talk of Jihad and martyrdom.

John Cohen, a former acting under-secretary at DHS for intelligence and analysis, told ABC News that immigration officials were not allowed to 'use or review social media as part of the screening process' when he was there last year.

ABC reported that one current and one former senior counter-terrorism official confirmed Cohen's account of the refusal of the Department of Homeland Security to change its policy.  

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:26 PM

So many people got it so wrong in this thread. Most of the rest used the thread to post news agency releases without additional comment. I note that BeardedBruce "agreed" with Little Hawk four years ago that they both wanted peace, justice, freedom and happiness for everyone. Unfortunately, he failed to complete the sentence, leaving out the two crucial words "except Palestinians".

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:18 PM

Anti-Semitism in the UN

UN, Israel & Anti-Semitism

Israel at the UN
A History of Bias and Progress

Australia is right to challenge the UN's anti-Israel bias

UN chief admits bias against Israel

Continuing Anti-Israel Bias at UN

End the Israel-bashing at the United Nations

The UN and Israel: A History of Discrimination

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:03 PM

Well, Profssor, since you are intellectually and constitutionally unable to do research for yourself, this one time, I''ll start you off. Plenty more where this came from.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/

http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/internationallaw/studyguides/sgil3i.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 11:46 AM

So no then.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 11:45 AM

If ya gotta ask, Professor, there's little point in anyone responding.

Subject: RE: BS: Who's Next? Iran or Korea?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 11:39 AM

Has Israel ever violated a Security Council Resolution, like this one?