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Little known '60s Folk Singers

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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 12:49 PM

Not to monopolize the forum, but images keep erupting from the memory bank. Returning from Army service in 1963, and wishing to augment my knowledge of folk music, I took two "folk music as literature" classes at Fresno State from two very engaging and entertaining profs, both of whom had done extensive research in Appalachia and elsewhere. I had no idea just who they were or that they were considered particularly noteworthy. Turns out, Gene Bluestein and Pete Everwine (better known as a poet) were classics. Especially Gene, who collected, taught and performed for many years. His son, Evo, is active now. I'd be curious to know whether others knew, heard or enjoyed them as much as I did.


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:00 PM

Hey, TJ, welcome to the Cat. SIgn up and make yourself permanent! :D Good to see another San Diegan on board to defend the worship of perfect weather against masses of marauding snow-eating cats.


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:18 AM

The Adams Avenue Roots & Folk Festival, almost a goner after the organizer, Lou Curtiss, lost his business a few months ago, is up and running in San Diego's Normal Heights/Kensington area this weekend - the 34th year. It is all free! Some of those who will be appearing are Mike Seeger, Sparky & Rhonda Rucker, Guy & Candie Carawan, Ross Altman and Carolyn Hester, along with a large group of other, lesser known performers. There are many opportunities for interaction with the singers and multiple venues open all weekend. If you are in southern California, or can get there reasonably, come on down.


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:48 PM

Duke: Didn't the Dirty Shames record when they were in New York?
And wasn't Jim still with them then? Balladeer


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,susan ruskin ex umanov
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 09:45 PM

and surely you all remember izzy young's famous poem
david blue, hows by you
still the same old new york jew?
aloha erik


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mark Ross
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:47 AM

Susan, how are you? It's been a long time. Where are you?

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 10:43 AM

Balladeer: I never heard of The Shames recording, but it would be fantastic if they did. I think Chic Roberts is still around. I have a friend who knows him quite well and I'll see if I can get any info.


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 05:50 PM

Susan Ruskin: Aloha yourself, darling girl! Of course we remember
Izzy's poem. Can I send you anything from the old neighborhood?
How 'bout 2 half sour pickles?


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 07:24 PM

Duke: Here's a quote from Chick's CD Baby site. (Btw, I've been in touch with him recently.

"In the early 60s, with his newly minted stage name in hand, Chick Roberts performed around Canada & the USA as a solo folk artist, and with Amos Garrett, Jim McCarthy and Carol Robinson as The Dirty Shames. Primarily a Jug/String Band, they performed an eclectic variety of songs from the country, blues, jazz and pop repertoires.

Come 1965, Chick and The Dirty Shames moved to New York to cut several records on the Phillips label (sadly, never released in Canada). Following Jim McCarthy's departure, the Shames enlarged the band by adding Bass, Piano and drums and became the regular band at Andy Warhol's club "The Dom" and openers for The Velvet Underground at the "The Gymnasium.""


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 08:17 PM

Mention of putting a harmonica IN the mouth and playing it while playing the guitar reminded me of "Harmonica Frank" Floyd.

I saw him in the mid 70s at the Smithsonian Folk Festival....he stole the show! And his red, white & blue shirt & pants were a special treat.


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:11 PM

Harmonica Frank Floyd and I shared a gig/concert at the University Of Chicago in the mid 1970s. Bill, thanks for reminding me of him!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,susan ruskin
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 10:48 PM

erik - if you see my 20 year old body maybe you could send it to me. i think i left it on carmine st.
hi mark - i've been in hawaii for the past 20 years, mas o menos. i have a bamboo nursery. same deal as the guitar store except we make all our own product. lots of the same clients.


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,cat
Date: 01 May 07 - 01:52 PM

anyone know my uncle iberus hacker (from chicago and chattanooga)?


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 01 May 07 - 03:16 PM

Balladeer: That's great news to hear. If they recorded, the records might be available somewhere. I hope Chick is doing well. I haven't seen him in many years. Say hello for me.


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 01 May 07 - 06:06 PM

Kathy and Carol are back performing. They'll be at the Ark in Ann Arbor, Mich., on June 20. The Ark newsletter says they haven't made an album since 1965. (I'm posting this as a separate item, too.)


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 01 May 07 - 06:55 PM

Yes, GUEST cat, I'm glad you reminded us of him. There's a photo in Art Thieme's gallery -- click on "Search" and then enter "Iberus" into the text box.
—BK


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,cat
Date: 01 May 07 - 08:57 PM

BK Lick, Thank you so much for responding ... I am trying to find out about my Uncle Iberus but unable to get to the link you gave(username & password?).... any info on him I would be very grateful to have... my grandparents (his parents have passed) and I know he was a preacher and an activist and i'm trying to find out all i can especially about his musicianship. thank you very much,cat


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Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,cat
Date: 01 May 07 - 09:03 PM

i got the picture. Wow, just as i remember him (but i was very young)thanks!


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 02 May 07 - 09:52 AM

I remember doing a couple of shows with Iberus in Chicago for the IWW.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 03 May 07 - 04:36 PM

Has anyone mentioned Malvina Reynolds, she of "Little Boxes" fame? I am reminded of that song every time I pass by Daly City, CA. The "boxes" are still there! I also recall a coffee house in Orange County, near Newport Beach, called "Prison of Socrates." Any takers?


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: webby
Date: 04 May 07 - 10:11 AM

There was a really good singer used to come here (u.k.)From the states named Colin Scott. A really nice guy, came over every year to perform in the Midlands. Is he still around? The last I heard of him was 1974-75 Be nice to know if he is still around

webby


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,david gedalecia
Date: 11 May 07 - 09:48 PM

Jonathan Aaron
Mark Faurer
Nick Gravenites
John Ketterson
Perry Lederman
Mike Michaels
Dick Rosmini

       -- some better known than others, but all great guitarists, great musicians!


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 11 May 07 - 11:51 PM

B.K.Lick

cat and I have been in touch by email and I told her what I know of Iberus Hacker--her uncle. In a nutshell, I said that he was a preacher, an organizer, an advocate for the downtrodden, powerless and homeless, fought for gay rights, civil rights, workers rights and many other causes. He enjoyed singing, but was more enthusiastic than good. In the 1970s, in Chicago, he was a big thorn in the side of the first Mayor Daley---Richard J. Daley. Whenever he asked me, I lent my voice to his many causes. Especially I recall one particular march and rally he spearheaded to fight hunger in town. It culminated in a rally at Bughouse Square --- itself historically important as a focal point for free speech and soap box oratory by the likes of Dr. Ben Reitman, Vachal Lindsey, Carl Sandburg, Mother Jones, Boxcar Bertha and many I.W.W. orators during the early years of the 20th century. I was honored to be singing there in that park too.

But there was a side to Iberus that was questionable. He worked with the Daley machine when it was in his interest, and that means when it meant funding his projects. Some of the funds disappeared, and fingers were pointed at Iberus Hacker----but I always felt the Daley people had it in for him and were trying to denigrate him any way they could back then.

The photo I took of him was in a small coffeehouse he opened up on Lincoln Ave. in Chicago. I was walking home one day, passed his place and stopped for coffee and some good conversation. So I took a shot of him. It wasn't a good one, but since it was the only photo I had of Iberus, it got included in my on-line collection.

I also mentioned to "cat" that because of some vibes I got from her uncle, I didn't want to get too close to him. Looking back, I suspect that was possibly my loss.

Art


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 12 May 07 - 12:21 AM

I just went back and looked at the photo of Iberus. I noticed a few other things:

The young fellow sitting to Iberus' laft, I believe, is Iberus' son. But I never knew who his mother might've been. I don't remember his son's name. At that time Iberus was sort of married to a gal half his age (I thought) named Ruth. Iberus had some different/unique emotional attachments.

Also, there is a mirror leaning against the back wall---about four feet high and maybe 2 wide. Reflected in that mirror and quite blurry
is me--taking the photo!


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 12 May 07 - 09:15 AM

I haven't trawled through all 400+ postings to this thread so apologies if these were mentioned earlier...
I was watching reruns of old Two Ronnies on BBC4 - there was a trio (2 guitarists, guy in the middle with restrained afro like Ray Dorset used to sport)singing polite folkie stuff called New World- can't remember them coming into my consciousness at the time. Any info?

RtS


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 12 May 07 - 09:28 AM

I found this on AllMusic guide: they were active in 1970s tho':

Broad of collar and bright of shirt, New Zealand's New World exemplified the kind of bright-eyed, lightly sentimental folk-pop that threatened to devour the UK charts of the early 1970s. Pre-glam, pre-prog, and almost prepubescently harmless, the trio emerged out of British television's Opportunity Knocks talent show and briefly threatened to become their homeland's biggest ever export. Especially after the all-conquering combination of label-head Mickie Most, producer Mike Hurst, and songwriters Nicky Chinn and Mike Chapman ganged up on a generation's ears and soft-soaped them into submission.Between 1971-72, the New World trio scored four UK hits of note, each of which distinguishes this (otherwise over-ambitious) collection. "Rose Garden" was a moderately successful pop rival to Lynn Anderson's contemporary country number; "Sister Jane" is a compulsory singalong; and "Kara Kara" is an irresistible slice of rhyming nonsense that should have been their biggest record ever. Instead, that honor went to "Tom Tom Turnaround," the smash hit version of a song that the early Sweet also recorded, and a recording that producer Mike Hurst later admitted he hated. "It was everything I disliked about pure pop, right down to the execrable talking bit." In fact, the only thing that salvaged it in his opinion was, it wasn't as bad as "Kara Kara."The remainder of this collection trawls a career that, somewhat surprisingly, remained musically active until deep into 1973 — and long after the record-buying public had forgotten the group. For the chance to relive those early hits, however, The Best Of New World is exactly what it says and, so long as you don't want to hear anything else that the band ever wrought, it's everything you could possibly need.


RtS


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: webby
Date: 12 May 07 - 11:26 AM

further to my enquiry, a lot of people mention Colin Scott! where is he, us Coventry Kids would love to know if he ia still alive and kicking, Scotty if you are out there, remember the Sportsmans Arms
and the Gosford park Hotel, the Mercers Arms And the Turk Head etc. etc We would love to know if you are still out there, and if you are
PLEASE get in touch. We would really like to hear from you. Otherwise
Does anyone know of Scotty s whereabouts I would really like to here from this blast from the past


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 12 May 07 - 12:01 PM

Hi, Guest cat,

    Art just emailed me and had me look at this thread. My singing partner, Margaret Nelson, knew Iberus from working at The Great American Coffeehouse. That may be where Art took the picture. Iberus officiated at her wedding to Rick Friedman. Her recollection of Iberus is similar to Art's, that we was a mixed bag. Good community organizer, larger than life, and could be hard on the people close to him. Margaret's not on email regularly. Art said he has contacted you via email. If you want to forward a request to Margaret through Art, to me, I'll get it to her.

--Phil Cooper


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Arieh Lebowitz
Date: 18 May 07 - 10:28 AM

Robert Pierpont , a friend of a friend, is organizing a reunion of people who were members of or otherwise involved with the Young People's Socialist League - known as YPSL or often "Yipsel" - and I discovered this website. If anyone "here" is interested, just drop him a line. Most of the people who have responded so far I believe were involved in the late '50s, and early '60s, but the group existed quite a while before that ...
>> Arieh Lebowitz


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 18 May 07 - 11:30 AM

anyone heard of Mike Fairbanks and konw what became of him?......or Janet Klimoski?


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Moleskin Joe
Date: 18 May 07 - 11:36 AM

Does anyone know anything about Murray Young, a singer originally from the West Indies who was around in the early Sixties ?


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Martinez
Date: 20 May 07 - 07:57 PM

I remember the Chanticlairs from about 1964-65 in Niagara Falls, Ontario. I think they were Bev, Klaus and Joe. I wonder whatever happened to them.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 May 07 - 12:56 PM

Don't know if these count because it was in the Fifties, not the Sixties.

Bob Gibson, Jo Mapes and I were a trio at the Gate of Horn. Bob Camp came along later.

Sandy Paton, Valucha Buffington and I attempted to be a trio in Chicago around that time. It was an odd assortment and I think Sandy might agree.

Osborne Smith around that time played and sang with a drum in Chicago. I accompanied him.

Early on, in LA I worked with Odetta playing the harmonica in back of her.

Guy Carawan and I did concerts in the LA area in the early Fifties...some with Jo Mapes and Rolf Cahn.

Jo Mapes, Frank Robinson and Rolf Cahn did a memorable concert in the early Fifties in San Francisco. Often wondered whatever happened to Frank Robinson (an entertaining five-string banjo player).

Larry Sparks and Odetta at the Tin Angel in San Francisco.

Odetta was not a student of Bess Hawes. I showed 'Detta a strum or two in the early days.

Anyway, this is way before the Sixties Scare.
So I don't know if any of this counts.

Oh yes, Guy Carawan, Ethel Raim and Erik Darling were briefly a trio in concert in New York. The Villagers (?)

Rick Von Schmidt and Rolf Cahn worked together.

Jack Elliott, Guy Carawan and I were the "Dusty Road Boys" traveling through the Fifties South collecting folk songs and singers.

There was some mention of Pat Foster. I often wondered what happened to him.
I knew him in LA.

Yvonne Marais and Guy Carawan were a beautiful duo in LA in the early Fifties. She is the daughter of Joseph Marais and Miranda, one of the best "folk" acts heard anywhere and frequently on the Meridith Wilson radio program. The Marais's were famous in their time but never mentioned today.

Anyway, this was all before the Sixties so who cares?

Frank


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 May 07 - 10:26 PM

Frank, I feel a bit as if you're talking about the Gods of Mount Olympus.

I first got "hooked" on folk music in 1951 when a girl I was going with inherited a neat old parlor guitar from her grandmother and set about teaching herself to play it, and started learning songs from "A Treasury of Folk Songs" compiled by John and Sylvia Kolb, a drugstore paperback (and still a very good collection). I bought a cheap guitar and a copy of the book, and she started showing me chords. Then we took in a concert by Walt Robertson (he had a local television show at the time) and that really got me going! I met him a day or two later and hit him up for guitar lessons. I bought my first really good guitar in 1954:   a Martin 00-18 ($95.00 back then I felt like a junior executive with his first BMW).

In the early Fifties, there were a fair number of people around Seattle who were interested in folk music, and they were a pretty avid bunch. Sandy Paton was one. He went back east shortly thereafter. At the time, whenever you mentioned folk music, a few people might say, "Oh. Like Burl Ives?" But most people thought you were talking about Country and Western or "hillbilly" a la Grand Ole Opry.

Several people of note managed to make there way out here. Pete Seeger did a concert here in 1954, and it wound up with a party that went until 4:00 in the morning (including Pete). Guy Carawan made a couple of trips to Seattle in the late 50s, once just barn-storming, then a couple of years later to do a couple of concerts. Pete Seeger again in '57. In '57, I went up to Bellingham, Washington to hear Richard Dyer-Bennet (he wasn't booked in Seattle) and had a chance to chat with him for awhile after the concert. Very pleasant and encouraging. Then Bob Gibson and Dick Rosmini in '58. They stayed in Seattle for a couple of weeks, and a lot of song-swapping got done. Roger Abrahams came here a couple of times. I learned several good songs from him, as did a couple of other people.

The Gateway Singers did a concert at the University of Washington in the late 50s, and although the other three had to take off, Jerry Walter hung out for a day or two. One evening at a song-fest, he sang one of the nicest renditions of "Pretty Saro" I've ever heard. I tried to reconstruct it and sing it the way he did.

I'd heard of Rolf Cahn and Jo Mapes early on (learned some good songs from a record they did—Bay Concerts label), and through records, knew about people such as Paul Clayton, Cynthia Gooding, Billy Faier, and Barbara Dane. I met Rolf in Berkeley in 1959 and Barbara Dane a couple of years later when she and Dick Rosmini opened for Bob Newhart (this led to another all-night song-fest).

I met all kinds of well-known singers and academicians (such as Alan Lomax and Charles Seeger) at the Berkeley Folk Festivals, including Peggy Seeger and Ewan MacColl in 1960 and Marais and Miranda in 1964 (a couple of thoroughly charming couples!).

Around the Seattle area in the 50s there was Walt Robertson, Bob Nelson (Deckman), Bob Clark, Dick Landberg, Rae Creevy, Claire Hess, Patti McLaughlin, Mike Reedy, Danny Duncan, John and Sally Ashford, Ron Ginther, and several others that my memory can't conjure up at the moment (my apologies!). Some of these folks are still around and singing, and some have disappeared into the mists. Coffeehouses started opening in Seattle in the late 50s, and a lot of these singers performed in them regularly.

This incomplete list of local Seattle singers got started well before fall of 1958, which I (albeit rather arbitrarily, perhaps) mark as the beginning of the pop folk craze—the advent of the Kingston Trio's recording of "Tom Dooley" hitting the pop charts, followed by a host of other similar groups, ushering in "The Great Folk Scare." I could reel off another dozen or so, such as Paul Gillinghan and Don McAllister and Alice Stuart and Nancy Quensé who started out in the very late 50s or early 60s, and whose interest was ignited, not by what they heard on radios and juke boxes, but by local singers such as Walt Robertson and Bob Nelson (and, with a blush of modesty, myself), who were out and performing.

I also recall going to a Weaver's concert in Seattle. Pete had left the group by then, and they had another singer with them. He didn't see me because I was up in the dark balcony, but I saw and heard him.

His name was Frank Hamilton.

Lots of folks these days have no idea of the amount of activity that was taking place in the Fifties—and before that!

Don Firth

P. S. Susan Reed. I first saw her in a movie in 1948 and learned that she had some records out. Somehow, when the pop-folk fad got under way, she just seem to disappear.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,jonathan
Date: 22 May 07 - 11:53 AM

Anyone rememer Leonda Hardison? I think she was cherokee, with voice of an angel, and such beauty. She played at my parents coffee house, The Turks Head, in Boston in the early 60's.

Jonathan Comins


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 22 May 07 - 12:26 PM

To Don Firth:

I don't believe we ever became acquainted, and you were certainly ahead of the curve in terms of how you met and approached folk music. I was aware of the Weavers and Burl Ives and a few others as a teenager, in the early to mid-fifties, but I freely admit to being one of those "hooked" by some of the "pop-folk" music of the late fifties. There were two coffee houses in Fresno, CA in those days. Those of us who were habitues of one or the other started asking if there wasn't more to this "folk thing" than the slickly produced stuff coming out of Capitol Records, et al.

I had the good fortune to come into contact with some local folks who were serious about the pursuit of the real article. Jon Adams, who still does some performing and storytelling up and down the coast, was a sort of role model for a lot of us. Later, while at Ft. Lewis, in 1961 and 1962, I had the chance to perform at The End in South Tacoma for a time. I got up to Seattle on weekends, when I could, and had the chance to pop into places like 92 Yesler. I developed quite a crush on Nancy Quense, who made me look at the music a little more seriously. After the service, I took college classes in folk music and folk literature from Pete Everwine and Gene Bluestein at Fresno State, which opened my eyes a bit further.

I no longer perform, preferring to play for my own enjoyment and sharing with a few friends. My time in Washington was life-changing in a lot of ways and I thank those of you who might have been a part of it. I have shared the love of this music with my two sons, one of whom has obviously been influenced by it, even though his primary genre is rock. He still plays my old LP's and tapes.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 22 May 07 - 12:52 PM

Addendum:

Just where, in the great cosmic scheme, would one place Oscar Brand? I have two old albums of his, "Bawdy Songs and Backroom Ballads," and another with sea shantys, the name of which escapes me. Of course, he was primarily known, among testosterone-crazed teen boys, for his more-than-risque' material, like "The Winnipeg Whore" and "The Hermit," which showed up at parties along with somebody's dad's Redd Foxx albums, etc.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 22 May 07 - 01:20 PM

Jonathan Comins......I played in your parent's coffee house many times in the late 60's (assuming they still owned it then)......Mike Orlen


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 22 May 07 - 01:25 PM

Jonathan Comins......that would make you Josette's son?.....it's been a very long time and I probably got her name wrong....a lovely French lady.....


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 May 07 - 03:09 PM

TJ in San Diego--

Most of the singing I did in coffeehouses and clubs was at "The Place Next Door" (next to the Guild 45th theater—foreign and art films mostly—and owned by the same man, hence "the place next door"). It later became "The Corroboree" (Stan James, who bought out the business was an Australophile). I also sang a lot at the Pamir House. Pamir House was kind of a hole, but it was a good place to sing. They usually had two or three singers up front, swapping songs and playing off each other. The audiences loved it. It was like a party. And we got paid for it!

During the Seattle World's Fair in 62, in addition to clubs and coffeehouses and a few out-of-town concerts, I sang every Sunday in the afternoon concerts at the U. N. Pavilion, and I got to 92 Yesler fairly often. I did a bunch of guest sets there, but I didn't sing there regularly. Mike and Maggie Molosso were the house musicians. Maggie (now Maggie Savage) is still around and still singing, last I heard. Great voice!

The lovely Nancy Quensé is still very much around and singing actively. Still with folk music, but most of her musical activity is with the Medieval Women's Choir, sometimes as a soloist. They did a concert just last Saturday (May 19th). The music of Hildegard of Bingen, at Seattle's St. James Cathedral. Big. Kind of echoey. A great setting for that kind of music! In addition to the guitar, Nancy has also taken up the hurdy-gurdy and the medieval vielle.

Tacoma. I sang a concert or two at Pacific Lutheran University during that time, one, as I recall, with a lovely young woman named Arlene Flynn. Only once in a Tacoma coffeehouse, but that was in 1964.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Rosalie
Date: 22 May 07 - 08:36 PM

I just came across this thread and enjoyed the stories and seeing familiar names. Billy Vanaver seemed to disappear from New York City years ago after he & Livia got married. I heard about them performing and teaching in other areas. They will be appearing in New York City again November 16-18 in Eisteddfod-NY (see www.Eisteddfod-NY.org for details). Do come see them!
A number of the other people mentioned in this thread have appeared at Eisteddfod-NY in the last few years. I don't think of Andy Cohen as a little known singer from the past, since he is performing full time now and was the director of Folk Music Week at Pinewoods Camp (Country Dance & Song Society). He was a big hit at Eisteddfod-NY last year - blew away some high school students who were volunteering. Others mentioned above who've appeared at Eisteddfod-NY are Joe Elias, the Kossoy Sisters, Alan Friend, Hedy West, Steve Suffet, and Jeff Davis. Probably a few more.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 23 May 07 - 03:52 PM

Don Firth:

Thanks for that response. I'm certainly not surprised at Nancy's musical direction. She was always proud of her Norwegian heritage. I recall once, when we were driving near Ballard, that she said, in a mock accent, "Ten thousand Swedes crawled through the weeds - pursued by one Norwegian!" I don't know what she would have made of me - my Grandfather came from Denmark. I'm glad she is well and still so active. Hers was always a more intellectual approach, I think.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 May 07 - 07:05 PM

TJ in San Diego—

A couple of weeks ago, I was trying to find some information about the concerts that we did at the U. N. Pavilion during the 1962 Seattle World's Fair. I checked through the Seattle HistoryLink website and didn't find what I was looking for, so I started googling, putting all kinds of odds and ends into the search boxes to see what I could come up with.

And I blundered into a bunch of photos that the University of Washington Libraries have archived. As I went through the photos, I ran into one that just about blew me off my chair!

There were photographers all over the place, and we had to just learned to ignore them. This photo was taken at the U. N. Pavilion before one of the Sunday afternoon concerts as we were getting tuned up and ready.

HERE

That's me (with the high forehead) seated in the foreground, showing my newly purchased guitar (flamenco) to Judy Flenniken, young lady with a very big voice (the following year, she and I did several concerts together). She was interested in getting a guitar like it, which she did. In the background, I don't know who the left hand and banjo headstock belong to, nor do I recognize the banjo player. Nor do I recognize the lad in the background or the man on the far right.

But there, also in the background, and between the banjo player and me, is Nancy Quensé warming up (playing a D chord, it looks like).

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 23 May 07 - 08:05 PM

Hi Jonathan -- Leonda had left town ere I arrived, but I do recall a tale of Paul Geremia having to share the back seat of her car with a pet ocelot.

Mike - Arnold "Doc" Comins sold the Turk's head to Josette c. 1967, but subsequently opened another Turk's Head in Orleans at which place I shared a great weekend performance with Paul MacNeil -- Tom


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frandsen
Date: 24 May 07 - 01:44 AM

Paul Geremia and an ocelot in the back seat of a car in 1967, you say? Yeah, I heard that story...he did horrible, unspeakable, perveted, Rhode Island Folksinger things to her in the back seat of that car, he did, or at least that's what I heard...and when the State Police and ASPCA ran them down and pulled them over, "Young Paulie" (as he was then known) said that it had been such a long time since he'd had (as he put it) "a little pussy" that the whole thing was hushed up on account of the cops laughing so hard. That's what I heard, anyhow. I think Pat Sky told me. Really.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 24 May 07 - 04:51 PM

Don Firth:

What a shot! Priceless. Thanks so much for sharing with me. That guitar you have looks a lot like a Goya I had back then, complete with the double white scratchguards. It was lost in a fire years ago. Now, if we could just return to "those thrilling days of yesteryear." Then, again...


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 May 07 - 04:40 PM

Hi, TJ—

The guitar in the photo is a Casa Fernandez, made in Madrid.

I'd had a guitar made for me by Arcangel Fernandez that I still have. I knew it was an outrageously good instrument when I first got it, but then when I learned that Carlos Montoya had retired his Barbero for a guitar made by Arcangel Fernandez, I knew I had something really special. Later on, several of the top flamenco guitarists were using them. Back then, even top grade Spanish-made guitars weren't all that expensive, but you did have to wait a bit because they were usually made to order. I've had several rather breathtaking offers for it since then, but it's not for sale.

The "Arcangel" has a clear plastic tap-plates (golpeador), whereas the Casa Fernandez has white plastic ones.

I didn't want to take the "Arcangel" to places where it could be sat on or stolen, so I got a second guitar made by one of Arcangel Fernandez's apprentices. Fernandez inspected them all and allowed the good ones to be sold with a "Casa Fernandez" label. It wasn't quite as good as the Arcangel, but it was a darn nice instrument. Big voice—bitey, like a good flamenco guitar should be. Very good for song accompaniment. It became my "work guitar" during the early 1960s.

I don't recall what Judy Flenniken was playing at the time. It was okay, but not great. She heard my Casa Fernandez and wanted to know where she could get one like it. There was a place called "The Guitar Workshop" here in Seattle that imported Spanish-made instruments, and she got one there—a twin of the one in the photo.

Later on, I sold the Casa Fernandez to one of my students. Not happy! He'd only had it for a couple of weeks when someone broke into his car and stole it. A bunch of us were cruising pawn shops long afterwards looking for it, but it never did turn up.

The guitar Nancy is playing is a Goya G-20. Nice little instrument. She still has it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Angela
Date: 26 May 07 - 05:12 PM

Since I found his name here, might I mention that I have an album of Seraffyn Mörk, from my mother's collection. According to the bio on the back cover, he graduated from Harvard and the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts, and received the Folksong Award at the Int'l Eisteddford in Wales in '53. The record is "Of Love, Of War, Of Many Things Seraffyn: The Last Great Troubadour, and was put out by Columbia, can't tell which year. Looks very 60s. The guy was a freak.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Lew Linet
Date: 28 May 07 - 05:10 AM

Diana Marcovitz is alive and well and writing songs, plays and short stories. She is also acting and directing. She is living and working in Israel and, when not dodging Arab rockets, she writes to me. I was her personal manager when she lived, performed and recorded her Columbia and Buddha albums in New York in the 70's.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jack Silver
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 01:17 AM

I just found this thread. What a treasure! So many friends and heroes - I camed out of California and moved to Boston in 1968 to play the clubs there. And I just played this memory game with Paul Geremia a month ago. Mary, if you really have a contact for Paul McNeil I would love to have it. The last time I saw him he gave me the pipe we had just uh, well it was long ago.
Boston names not yet mentioned: Bob McCarthy, Paul Rishell, Ragtime Elliot Kennin, John Compton.
Now some questions for the impressive panel of experts: Does anyone here know or remember Californians Ted Staak/Stack or my old bud Tim McMullen?
From Montreal there was a good songwriter who hosted the hoots at the back door. He played a song titled 'Soup d'Jour" that I always wanted to learn. Had a long beard and a blind backup fiddler. Anyone remember his name?
Valdy got past us, as did David Rea. They had several albums each.
How many of us have Pat Sky stories we can't tell?


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