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Little known '60s Folk Singers

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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 06:23 AM

do any of you Yanks remember a terrific young banjo player called Pete Roberts who came to England about 1966 to tour with Bill Clifton?


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bankley
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:45 AM

what about Fran and Gilles in the Montreal area. Fran Aiken lives out near the Ontario border now. played a couple of gigs with Torak at the Mayshow in Vankleek Hill. Gilles Lozier lives in the NDG area, still tunes piano and is a walking archives of obscure folk and roots music. He took up violin after his long association with Ti-Jean Carignan. I saw David Whiffen out of Ottawa a few years ago at a concert supporting the CBC on parliament Hill. Mr "Driving Wheel".....of course there's a whole crew on the Franco side of things... the chansonier... a list onto itself....


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 02:38 PM

Gilles Lozier lives in the NDG area, still tunes piano and is a walking archives of obscure folk and roots music. He took up violin after his long association with Ti-Jean Carignan.

Gilles retired from piano tuning a few years ago and moved back to New Brunswick. Although I think he still back to Montreal often. I saw him about a year ago at Kirk MacGeachy's funeral in Montreal. Gilles was playing fiddle long before he hooked up with Jean Carignan. He fiddled on an early Chris Rawlings LP several years before his association with Carignan.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 02:45 PM

old helmet mcdowell,30 stone balladeer,used to play the fiddle with his feet.He once sang on the back of a dumpster at Cleveland show,throwing jelly tots at a pig with a wooden leg.His wife was a scrum half for wigan,and knitted scarves for the local hospital.He died trying to morris dance on the transporter bridge and was buried in the odeon cinema in stockton.Sadly missed by all local butchers and pie makers


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bankley
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 03:53 PM

thanx Ham, a friend of mine ran into him in NDG early on in the summer, I wasn't aware that he played fiddle that long. I remember him most with the upright bass. interesting man,...R


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 12:39 PM

Hi Bankley: Yeah I remember that gig with Danny Counts, who is still living in Roanoke Va, and still writing ridiculously funny songs. Got an email from him just the other day. It read: "Silence Is Golden, But Duct Tape Is Silver."


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 01:31 PM

Anyone know the whereabouts of Mike Fairbanks, Janet (Blair) Klimoski, Ed "Jingles" Richman, or Paul MacNeil?.....New England performers of the mid to late 60's.....


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bankley
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 06:43 PM

Hi Erik, that's hilarious. Glad to know that he's still at it. We can use all the laffs that we can get. My buddy Jim Page, has a new song out called "Petroleum Bonaparte".... Jim's been going pretty well non-stop since the '60s... lives in the Seattle area now...
I'll send away for some of your songs, if the offer still goes.. stay well....


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 11:18 AM

Paul MacNeil -- Tom Hall


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 10:01 PM

Hey Bankley: Sure the offer still stands, but my printer is, at the moment, totally FUBAR so I can't print out the liner notes, tho I think I can get my lovely neighbor to do it for me. I'll ask. Meanwhile I open on Monday in the new musical, "John Goldfarb, Please Come Home!", with book by Bill Blatty (who wrote "The Exorcist" and other comic novels) and songs by wonderful, talented, modest me (plus Bob Hipkens and Michael Garin) at the Fringe Festival here in NYC. We shall then sell the option for huge bucks and move to Broadway where we shall sweep the Tony Awards and then I'll be able to get my goddam printer fixed. How's that for a plan?


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 01:31 PM

Fastblind Eric Flatpick: Ah, you theek yer messages are not beink intercepted? It has long been known you haf exscaped to that country(You should be reading this in some bizarre Russian/Oriental Dialect)...Sounds like a plan. But listen, no nudity in the show, O.K. Unless, of course, they come up with some serious coin, major dubloons, liquid cash. Then, you NEGOTIATE for a percentage of the rights. Then you MAKE the Sons o' Biatches have M&M's in your dressing room. But only in the color and temperature YOU demand!!! And in the memory of Tex Koenig,"GET THE MONEY UPFRONT!!!!!!!"

bob


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 01:20 PM

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:42 PM
There were a few other folks doing some folk music back then. Like Bob Martin. Anyone remember him? He's still playing somewhere. Art Traum? And of course, Loudoun Wainwright. (Opps, too big a name. Sorry).

Bobert

Re: The above message. I didn't see it the first time through this endless thread. I used to play with a guy named Bob Martin in California. I have been trying to locate him - last seen in Arizona, I believe. Where was this fellow from?


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Lee Gilliand
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 11:00 PM

Who found my name and where are you? I was with the Journeymen way back when . . . .
Lee.moondanse.trio@comcast.net


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,MARC S. SILBER
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 11:39 PM

Iknew Nick PARRY-JONES when I was in Cambridge,England Summer of 1965, and a bunch of us crashed in his King 's College room. It was One eyed Davey, the Harmonica Whiz, Danny Kalb, and me.
Later Nick came to NY for a visit and it was just when the BIG BLACKOUT occured. I saw him around the Village for a while and then never saw him again. I remember hearing Paul McCartney sing "I'M DOWN" on a recording when we stayed there with Nick.
Peace without bombs, Marc S.Silber
www.marcsilbermusic.com


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,sinky
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 02:04 PM

Randy Otoole,the limbless pole vaulter,used to launch himself into the crowd whilst singing Spinners songs.He died trying to swim the channel,he got cramp in his ears


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk - Willis Alan Ramsey
From: toster
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 01:29 PM

A few months back someone asked about Willis Alan Ramsey. He's still in the Texas - Oklahoma area. I've seen him play at the Old Quarter in Galveston (a direct descendant of the Old Quarter in Houston in the 60's where Townes Van Zandt played). He's performed with Lyle Lovett a few times as well.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 01:54 PM

Sorry about the keyboard malfunctions!

For Lee Gilliand: The question about Bob Martin, AKA "Marty" Martin, was from me - your-once-upon-a-time group member from Fresno. I have not been searching diligently, but would like to know what became of Bob. I hope "Moondanse" is doing well for you. It must be great to be able to pursue the musical muse as you are, long after most of us have limited our playing to an occasional weekend or just "noodling around." My heartiest best wishes!


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 02:09 PM

Lee Gilliand: This is your once-upon-a-time musical associate from Fresno. From time to time, I have inquired about Bob (who also billed himself as "Marty Martin" when last I spoke with him, just after he returned from Viet Nam). As I may have mentioned in an e-mail I sent some time ago, Bob became acquainted with mind-altering substances while in the Army. To what extent that led to later issues, I don't know. What I remember about him is the gentle, creative side he showed when we worked together in the early '60's. I hope he has found a way to reach back and get in touch with that.

I hope "Moondanse" is working well for you. I'm glad you are still able to pursue the musical muse. As for me, though I have a closet full of guitars, it is mostly a weekend thing or simply "noodling around." My son has had a band for the past seven years. They recently were asked to work on a soundtrack for a film; the first real big break for them. They all work full time to support the dream.

All the best to you!


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,elbows
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 11:33 AM

Old Sharky Fester,the shanty king of Grimsby,used to gut fish whilst singing songs about the local trout farm.He once sang under water for fifteen minutes but sadly never recovered consciousness and was buried under Vin Garbetts patio.A truly remarkable man


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bruce Farwell
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 06:07 PM

It was nice to find this site and see that some other people from the past remember me from the '60's. After leaving the Village, I performed with the Bitter End Singers and as a soloist for a few years. I later went back to college, but I have always kept my hand in music and now perform with my wife Renata as "Gemini".

Seeing so many threads from others about folk singers from the '60's made me think fondly of my own remembrances of lesser-known singers from that era. Let me cite a few:

Len Chandler--powerful singer, writer, performer. Great songs and one of my earliest influences in folk.

Sonny Moore--light blues player with a great low voice. I believe he is gone now, but he was a fine performer back in the Village days.

Fred Neil and Vince Martin--both excellent performers as soloists, but a knockout as a duo. They were mesmerizing to watch on stage.

John Townley--terrific finger-style guitarist, blues player

Bert Mason--powerful, riveting singer, style very reminiscent of Richie Havens.

John Bassette--powerful singer and performer, wrote a lot of good songs. Played as solo and in various groups, particularly Sammy Davis Review. Died last year after suffering a serious stroke.

Lance Wakely--excellent guitarist, did some soloing, backed up a lot of groups. Now living in Poland and touring Europe as Dr. Harmonica.

Paula Ballan--used to sing a little in the Village, but helped to get many performers booked into clubs and festivals all around New York. Still a home base for many wayfaring musicians.

Jackie Washington--excellent performer, one of the mainstays at the old Club 47 in Cambridge. One of my earliest influences on playing finger-style guitar. I think someone wrote that Jackie is still performing. I would love to see him again sometime.

Chris Smither--still going strong, writing some great songs, superb guitarist, still tapping his feet with every song. I still remember him singing in Boston and his great version of the "Titanic".

Robert L. Jones--tremendous performer of Woody Guthrie songs. Played a beautiful 00-40 Martin guitar, the first time I ever saw one of Martin's special abelone-inlaid guitars. I now have a couple of those special guitars.

Bonnie Dobson--beautiful lady, lovely voice, mesmerizing on stage. I understand she is also a college professor in England.

Raun MacKinnon--had a strong voice, great guitar style, disarming smile when you talked to her.


There are so many more to remember and who deserve to be mentioned, but I have already taken up more than enough time and space. This is a great site for all of to reminisce about the special days and special music that we sang and played in the '60's.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 04:56 PM

Memo to Bruce Farwell:
I cannot bear to think of Len Chandler as "little-known", but I guess you'd have to say that as performers go, he was a folksinger's folksinger. He had such a huge influence on the writing and performing styles of so many of us, including some who climbed to the very top of the fame ladder. Fortunately, Len did very well in the song-writing end of things, and never did fade away. He operated a successful and high-profile song-writing school in LA until just a few years ago, when he decided to retire. Last time I spoke with him, he and his lovely wife, Olga, had just returned from travelling in Europe.
Balladeer


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 08:00 PM

The thing about Sharky Fester (that people forget)was his comely good looks and and generally sexually obliging nature, when he was a slip of a lad. There was some talk that he was the original Handsome Cabin Boy - a depraved fantasy that beset fisherfolk, particularly when they were pissing over the side, and thinking 'there must be something else I can do with this bugger'.

Far be it from me to hypothesize, but I reckon Sharky had his front teeth removed to further his career as the ships tart. I daresay it supplemented his meagre wages as a fish gutter - though they do say, he had a way with whitebait that was bordering on the inspired.

When you hear a reallly bad impersonation of Martin Carthy singing three score and ten boys and men set sail from Grimsby town and the the motor cruisers and two man kayaks and they all were drowned - its just like Old Sharkey Fester is in the room, only its in key, sort of.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,elbows
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 04:28 AM

I am so glad you remember him with such fondness,Weelittledrummer,he cartainly was a maestro.His rather smelly family will find comfort at your kind words,Sharkeys brother has promised to keep his memory alive and will be trying to beat his underwater shanty singing record in Whitby on monday.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Peter Mork
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 03:33 AM

In response to Angela, 26 May 2007:

I am happy to see Seraffyn remembered. He was my father's younger brother, real name Donald Mork, based in western Massachusetts. Not sure "freak" does him justice, but he certainly lived an unconventional life, and as a kid I always looked forward to a visit from Uncle Donnie. The stories he told were spellbinding - he'd improvise yarns about an obnoxious mountain-sized coyote named Reynardine, whose two weaknesses were gold and mashed potatoes.

He traveled the world, and it was his great joy to meet new people and perform anywhere, at any time. It was a sad day for the family when he was killed in a car accident in 1963.

The Columbia album didn't really do him justice, in my opinion. I have some recordings he left behind which I think were closer to what he was all about.

Peter Mork


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 02:57 PM

Seraffyn.

I remember in the early 1960s rummaging through the folk music bin at a favorite record store and spotting this record. As I recall, the cover photo showed a man, dressed like a medieval troubadour and carrying a lute, striding down a road. At first, I thought, "Is this guy some kind of nut?" Then, after thinking it over, decided, "What a great image! Modern folk singers, buskers, and such, whether they realize it or not, are following a tradition that is over a thousand years old—at least! And here's a person who is not only aware of that, but who honors it."

I was in a bit of a rush at the time and didn't listen to the record. When I came back, it was gone. I always wish I had, at least, listened to it.

Thanks, Peter!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 04:40 PM

About Seraffyn:

Angela's post mentions, "According to the bio on the back cover [of the record jacket], he graduated from Harvard and the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts, and received the Folksong Award at the Int'l Eisteddford in Wales in '53."

Just for kicks, I googled "Donald Mork." I didn't come up with much, but (along with this thread!) I did find some listings for a Shakespearean actor who was active during the 1950s and early 1960s.

Could this have been the same person?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Peter Mork
Date: 03 Sep 07 - 01:15 AM

The very same. He did indeed act, as did his wife Ania Romaine, who also toured and sang with him as Cherubim - a sort of proto-Sonny and Cher.

I mainly know about his acting career the same way you do, via Google. I knew him personally as a boy, and my memories are those a kid would have. Lately I've been gathering together the recordings he left behind, as well as some film which my dad shot of the two of them performing, with sound on tape that was never properly synched, and another sound film shot to promote Treadway Inns around 1960. I've looked online for other material but there isn't much. I hope sometime to get this in the public domain in some way.

Other stray facts about Seraffyn: he converted to Hinduism, was friends with the late Del Close, his lute was named Gretchen, and his cat would come when you whistled a certain jig.

Thanks Don for your reply. PM


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Lee Gilliand
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 02:49 AM

Hi T.J.

So good to hear from you again. I don't usually check out this link, but decided to do so again tonight.

I had been in touch with Marty until about two years ago when he just dropped off the face of the earth for some reason. Phone number got changed with no forwarding number, and since I never did have his address, I lost touch through the mail as well. As of my last contact with him, he was living with a lady, whom he had known for many years, in Cottonwood or Flagstaff AZ. That was the last place I knew he was located. Barbara was a nursing home administrator in that area, so possibly you could trace Marty by trying to locate her. I don't believe they ever got married and I can't remember her last name either. There are not too many nursing homes in the Cottonwood, or Flagstaff area, so you just might be able to contact her.

Things are quite well here in Eugene. We are in the studio finishing up on our second CD called "Yesterday's Tomorrow" which should be out around the first of November. We are also touring in the Northwest quite a bit now and it is such a good life.

We are in the mindst of developing a brand new web site which should be up and running in about two weeks. The site will feature four new tunes from the new CD and have a much better look to it. The CD features quite a few original selections so it should do well.

Speaking of that, our first CD called "A MoondanSe Christmas" sold exceptionally well throughout the Northwest last Christmas and we will be pushing it this year again. We hope to be able to sell another 1100 plus this year if we are lucky. We will have ways to purchase either CD off our web page coming in a bit.

MoondanSe site can be reached by entering WWW.MoondanSe.com or just looking up MoondanSe on your browser.

My email address is lee.moondanse.trio@comcast.net   in case you would like to email me.

As we are travelling quite a bit, I may not be able to get back to you as soon as I would like so please use my email address to reach me.

What holds for next year is that our producer will be marketing us at the MIDEM Music Festival in Canes France in January. We are looking to go International with our music as there is quite a bit of interest in Americana music over seas. A year or two over seas wouldn't upset us a bit.

Good to hear from you again.

Lee


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Waqidi Falicoff
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 06:06 PM

I grew up in the NYC area and spent some time playing and listening in the folk clubs in the early to late 1960s. I used to go and listen at the Cafe Wha, Gerdes Folk City and even played at the Bitter End as part of a folk group (we followed Woody Allen to the chant of "Bring Back Woody". The emcee was my friend Richmond Sheppard. I had the pleasure (if you could call it that) to jam with Bod Dylan before he was well known. Actually he borrowed my guitar on one occasion. I remember several wonderful folk singers/musicians that no one seems to mention here. One was Carol Hunter. I think the first open tuning I learned was from a friend (Ken Hoopes) of a friend of Carol. It was an exotic Gm tuning for the song Anathea. I also witnessed one of the greatest 5 string banjo players that no one seems to remember. Players like Eric Weisberg and Roger Sprung sat at Gerdes in amazement of this fellow who I believe came from Boston to play on the open performing night. His technique was different in that he played a series of notes like a scale but it sounded like Scruggs picking. Frankly he was the greatest banjo player I heard during that time. I seem to remember someone said he was wealthy and came in just to play the night from New England. Hopefully someone here knows who this is!!

I was a little known singer song writer in the NYC in the 1960s. I published my first songs in 1964 with Southern Music Publishing who also held the material of Donovan. I wrote mostly music in those days and my lyric partner was a fellow named Jay Rosenberg. At one point Peter Paul and Mary was possibly going to record one of our songs. As I remember it the group unfortunately broke up at the time do to a problem that Peter Yarrow was going through. No one showed up for the appointed meeting at a NYC Apartment) I did perform on several occasions with little known singing groups in the NYC area (The Wafaring Strangers, Dr. John and Abelard). I remember once being cut short at a major concert when the emcee told us that Ray Boguslav had just flown in from the West Coast and would need some of our time. We stalled until the hook came out. Does anyone remeber Ray?

In early 1969 I decided to quite my computer science job and try my hand as a professional guitarist/singer song writer. I was very lucky as Hamilton Camp was making a comeback and he took me on as his lead guitarist. Around the same time I also got to accompany a wonderful singer songwriter named Penny Nichols. She was Jackson Browne's girlfriend at the time and Penny and I practiced once at his apartment which I believe was in Silver Lake district of LA. Penny finally released a new album some 30+ years after the original one in the 1960s. She is known by many as a wonderful coach for singing and song writing. She is truly one of the underrated singer songwriters' of the 1960s. As a strange coincidence I went to school at SUNY at Stony Brook in the 1960s when Jackson Browne was creating his wonderful music. I used to see him in the H dorm (he did not go to school there but hang out). Later he would open for Hamilton Camp and our group (The True Brethren) in 1969 at the Golden Bear In Huntington Beach.   Frankly I don't believe we ever spoke to each other, which is strange given all the near crossings we had.

There were many incredible folk artists that were little known in the 1960s. Perhaps someone here remembers Norm Pederson. (I think that is the spelling of the name.) My friend Ken Hoopes was also a wonderful guitarist who introduced me to this wonderful instrument.    There were also some who were very minor folk performers in the 1960s who later became famous in other fields of music. I used to jam with a fellow named Jeff Kagel at Stony Brook. Much later he became the famous Krishna Das (Indian Kirtan singer and musician). Some even became well known in opera--Jane Olian. She wrote some beautiful songs in the 1960s and is now a famous singing coach and professor of music at several of the universities in the NYC area. There are others who I knew. I will post some more when I get a chance.

Waqidi Falicoff


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 07:55 PM

I keep thinking of Dave Van Ronk's comment in his autobiog, The Mayor of MacDougal Street:   "in vinyl veritas." No matter how good you might be, if you don't have a record out, nobody except folks in your immediate vicinity know you're there!

I imagine there were (are) a whole host of excellent folk musicians who were kicking around in the 60s who may have had avid followings in their own communities, but who the rest of the country never heard of.

Case in point, Ray Boguslav. Good singer, inventive guitarist. I swiped several good songs off his record, "Songs from a Village Garret." But I never would have heard of him if he hadn't had at least one record out.

I sang all over the Pacific Northwest during that time, and I knew a lot of terrific singers who nobody outside this area seems to know anything about. No records. Since my voice is still in half-way decent shape, and since good quality home recording is now possible, along with distribution through the internet, I intend to remedy the situation for myself, at least. I'm about to start recording for a CD or two. Or three. Or. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 09:50 PM

Hi Kids! In reference to Don Firth's comments I would like to say that I too have wondered in amazement at some of the incredible music that just was never captured. Many, fortunately, realized the importance of capturing the moment. Among them ,Jimi Hendrix, who did his best to record everything. If you study the recordings, you begin to gain insights of how his mind worked as a musician. Invaluable stuff. Another, Sammy Davis Jr., who with his passion for photography, captured his era on film.
And now, here we are in the digital age, where the computer has become an all-in-one recording studio and distributor. The next time anybody who is reading this is thinking, "Well. maybe I should record," check out the book by Chris Anderson(Editor-in-Chief, WIRED magazine) called THE LONG TAIL.
The book will show you why the three most dangerous jobs in the world right now might be: 1/ Bomb Disposal Officer, 2/Test Pilot, 3/Record Company Executive...(who in one bloggers quip, "are being measured right now for their coffins") The book is about the economics of the digital age, where all that we knew as "The Record Business" is undergoing it's most profound change in history. Ah yes, the mp3, no shelf space required...
In a nutshell, what they are finding is that the demand for music, the niche market, is insatiable. That is to say, if you record it, somebody will buy it. Maybe not in large quantities, but your music will find an audience. The hits will always be there. But, The Long Tail of millions of digital recordings are THE source for people searching for interesting music around the world.
We can only dare to imagine what the world would be like if this technology was available at the time of the pyramids. Wait a minute, maybe it WAS available, didn't like what it saw, and went back to the Mothership, and let us humans fend for ourselves. Maybe that craft was piloted by some intergalactic Folksinger, who knew "The times they are a changin' WAAAY before Bob..."

:~) another bob
p.s. Don't forget to buy my album on iTunes(pick a country)
Rhapsody, Amazon mp3(soon), eMusic, Napster, Sony Connect, HMV, Virgin Digital, Zune, (get yer ringtones on GroupieTunes), and as soon as I finish this madness, it's back to work on getting the ole bob into WalMart, Best Buy, AOL mp3's, Billboard, Barnes and Noble, Y Music, somebody HELP me!!! This Folkslinger has gone wacky bananas!!!Or, has he??? BooYeah! Has the lightbulb gone on yet? Have you figured out I'm INTO IT? I have one last thing to say: Mac, Logic, Triton, Internet....


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 10:44 PM

Great, great reading Bob.
Thank man.
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: topical tom
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 11:22 AM

There was a singer by the name of Texas Jim Robertson whose radio themesong was "My Saddlebag of Songs".Also, there was another radio performer by the name of Stu Davis. Does anyone remember one or the other of these men?


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Lesley Moore
Date: 18 Oct 07 - 02:58 PM

The Boston folk scene was a big one. Players at the Turks Head, Sword In the Stone and Club 47 were coffeehouses, and those who performed there eventually made records and most still perform. Tom Hall, Jaime Brockett, Rocky Rockwood and Kenny Girard, live in New Hampshire, Paul MacNeil lives in the Phillippines and comes back to California occasionally, I have a music publishing company in San Jose California, and Paul Lolax is writing music for Mel Bay, and has recordings on the Internet. Dan Gravas still plays, and Paul Geremia and Chris Smither both have wonderful instructional music videos, and I saw them in a wonderful Public Television film about playing the Blues. Chris Smither plays all over Europe - all the time. Playing music just gets better.

Music is forever.
Lesley
PS: join an interactive music group:
Sanjose_musician_connection@yahoogroups.com


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 18 Oct 07 - 03:15 PM

Hi Lesley - Welcome to Mudcat. Become a regular member and activate PMs - Tom Hall


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Frenette
Date: 23 Oct 07 - 12:42 PM

I used to back up Mike Fairbanks in the mid-70s. We toured New England, had a gig in Chicago for a while, then moved our act to Canada. Last I heard (many years ago) he was living in Bangor ME.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,pj in texas
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 12:54 AM

just dug out old album of bob grossman recorded at The Buddhi in Oklahoma City during October 1961. I was fortunate enough to be in the audience at the time. Bob was a tremendous show.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 12:36 PM

Bob (now Robert) Grossman made another album, a CD, a couple of years ago, which I think I posted about way up on this thread. He does killer versions of "The Surrey With the Fringe On Top" and "Brazil."


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Debby Onderisin-Precius
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 09:05 PM

Wow...Just did a search out of no where on my dearly departed husband Josh Onderisin & you came up !! I am looking for photos of my husband for my daughter's collections.

After leaving Ian, Josh came to Calgary where we met & married. We have 1 beautiful daughter, Christina who is now 24 yrs. old. Josh was performing in a duo, Copperfield Skye in Western Canada until his death in 1996.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 11:58 PM

Hi Debby(Onderisin-Precius) : It is so very strange & surreal to meet you like this in a public forum. I was a friend of Josh's here in Montreal. This is the first time I've heard of his passing. He was a fine man. If you would like to know more, you can Google my name, or visit my myspace page. Hugs & Blessings...bob


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,sinky
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 09:22 PM

i will never forget old Spoon nose Mctaggert,half man half alsatian dog who played the water pistol with his toes.His sea shantys were a joy to behold,and his one legged morris dancing was simply sublime.He once fired a tortoise out of a cannon and smiiled at a passer by.He was a true pro who spent hours talking to his teeth.A REMARKABLE MAN


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 07 - 11:34 PM

Yes...small world...tried to visit your space but my computer kept telling me something was trying to attack it. At any rate...feel free to visit my website...Caribbean Star Promotions and Caribbean Star Dance Troupe based out of Toronto. Feel free to email if u like Bob. So nice to have another link from the past.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,missoula singer
Date: 17 Nov 07 - 11:18 PM

anyone out there remember a fella named don crawford. kinda a richie havens lookin guy. not young when i met him. used have a record h put out but lost it along the way. looking for lyrics to a couple of his songs. Thanks


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Nov 07 - 01:23 PM

You know what would be really helpful. If these names could include recordings that they
made and if possible, where you could get them.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Nov 07 - 01:33 PM

Don Crawford. Absolutely!

I heard him in the late 1960s, singing at The Ark in Vancouver, B. C. Excellent. I only hear him that one time and often wondered where he went from there. He did what I would consider the definitive renditions of both "Old Blue" and "John Henry."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,mike gouthro
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 07:24 PM

What a treat to read the fond memories of contemporaries in the folk music era. Now age 63, I liked the Kingston Trio but didn't really jump in with both feet till Dylan's Freewheelin in Montreal in the spring of 1964. A friend, Mac Grundy, knew Bruce Murdoch. Bruce was our guide into this new world before he headed to Greenwich Village for the first time.

I particularly enjoy reminiscences from the 1950's and early 60's before my time. This thread illustrates the rich history in major U.S. cities in those years. But I crave some details of the Montreal scene prior to 1965 – the venues and the performers.

I have Montreal memories of:

The Fifth Amendment (Clarke St) closed early 1965
The Penelope (Bishop St below Café Prague) mid 1965 – mid 1966
Café Andre (Burnside?) 196? – 197?
La Femme Foetal (Mountain St) mid65 – early 66
Venus De Milo Lounge (St Catherine) 195? - ?    1966 Folk Rock
The Blue Lantern later renamed The Totem Pole (Stanley St) late 1965 -1968?
The Montreal Folk Workshop (Park Ave Moose Hall) late 1965 – 1973
The Yellow Door (Aylmer) 1967 – present
The New Penelope (Sherbrooke) 1967 – 1968?
The Back Door (McTavish? & Sherbrooke?)   1969 - 1981
The Karma (Crescent and De Maisonneuve)    ?
The Golem (McTavish?) 1973 – 1991

Can anyone share recollections of The Seven Steps/Potpourri, The Finjan and any other Montreal folk venues that existed before 1965?

Thanks


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 08:56 PM

The Golem was was at 3460 Stanley Street; not on McTavish which was two blocks east of there.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 09:30 PM

Two blocks east of Stanley St. was Metcalfe which turned into McTavish north of Sherbrooke on the west side of McGill campus.


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 04:47 PM

Use to hang our at the Venus Pup De Milo (Venus De Milo Lounge) but it was an Irish band called "The Cutty Sark".
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 04:51 PM

I saw Fraser and DeBolt there in '69 or '70.


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