BS: Bev Harris

Subject: BS: Bev Harris
From: GUEST,donuel
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 12:55 PM

I was tipped off by a person very high up in TV that the news has been locked down tight, and there will be no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2. Even the journalists are pretty horrified. My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time, and he was calling from somewhere else. He was trying to figure out how to get the real news out on vote fraud.

This is a person I've worked with off and on for nearly two years, and the voice was so somber it really bothered me.

At any rate -- and perhaps, especially important due to the tipoff above, there are things you can do to take back America.

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We have a different list for lawyers, computer people, statisticians. But if you are a regular person like most of us, and want to help, here's what to do.

Please distribute: If you have not done so already, sign up at Black Box Voting -- http://www.blackboxvoting.org -- to audit the election and deal with vote fraud.

HELP AMERICA AUDIT: 5 Things You Can Do Right Now to Reclaim Democracy

You're our greatest hope. If you choose to accept it, your job is to spread the word in order to build a fast-growing grass roots movement -- a voting integrity project so powerful that it cannot be mowed down.

1. BE THE MEDIA -- See below.

2. CRUNCH THE NUMBERS: Discrepancies please, and hurry. E-mail them to [e-mail] . Pass the word. Need source documents, too. ASAP. Follow your nose, or join the Black Box Scavenger Hunt: Pick a county. Look at small counties, as we are seeing many discrepancies in those. Look in any state. Get the official number of registered voters, Dem and Republican. Get the number of votes cast on Nov. 2, Republican and Dem. Make a grid like this, filling in the right numbers:

# reg. voters % # votes cast %
Rep 100 33% 150 50%
Dem 200 67% 150 50%
Totl 300 100% 300 100%

We can find out a lot from this procedure, very hard data, that will make a real difference. As soon as you have finished a county, e-mail it to us. Do as many counties as you can.

3. HAVE A HOUSE PARTY: Show the film "Votergate" (the real one, which you can download for free at www.Votergate.tv .) Organize "Be the media" actions and set up investigative teams to help dig up information like you have in #2. Timeline is NOW, to get action before seating the electoral college.

4. HELP CONNECT THE WIRES: Hook Black Box Voting (.ORG) up with powerhitters you know, people who can make things happen.

5. DONATE to any of 3 organizations: Black Box Voting (.ORG), the consumer protection group for elections; or the new recount fund (information upcoming, contact DU's Hedda_Foil), or send contribution to Votergate.tv (The REAL Votergate film, by Russell Michaels, Robert Carrillo Cohen, and Simon Ardizzone. There is another by someone else, make sure you get the right one.) The real VOTERGATE is the most powerful investigative film on this topic, and consequently it has been attacked and blocked repeatedly. They deserve your support.

"HOW TO BE THE MEDIA"

Don't expect to see vote burglary on TV. To get the message out fast, you're going to have to become the underground railroad. Do it now. Take pictures of each other doing it. Have house parties to show others how to do it. Here's how to "be the media."

BE YOUR OWN REPORTER: We will send you new information as we get it. We need your e-mail to get you on the list, so if a friend sent this to you, please shoot an email to [e-mail] to sign up.

Spread the information we send you to every blog, listserv, forum you know and throughout your personal network. Talk about it at work and to people you meet everywhere, lots, quickly, all the time.

SELF SERVE SOUND BITES: Frequent, very short messages to immediately increase public awareness. Assume you won't see it on TV.
Put vote fraud related messages on:
- Yard signs
- Car windows
- Write them on duct tape and wear them
- Print REMOVABLE stickers and stick them on things:
- Bathroom door at the gas station.
- On telephone poles in the dead of night
- At bus stops
- On the back of bus seats
- Stick them into your junk mail and send it back via return mail
- Slip them into menus at restaurants
- Leave them in books at the bookstore
- Share new self serve sound bite ideas with us and we'll send them out with new messages.

ELECTION "TRUTH TOURETTES". Please excuse the political incorrectness, as it is not meant to be hurtful. It is for a good purpose. This the antidote to "watch what you say." It is a good icebreaker at a party. Have your guests make up truths, like those below, and mix them into the conversation at surprise times throughout the party. Unexpectedly and urgently blurt them out:

Recount!
Electile Dysfunction!
Gotta audit-Gotta audit-Gotta audit
Florida!
--mathmatically impossible!--
Count all the votes! Count all the votes! Count all the votes!
Votefraud.
Paperballots! Handcounts!
--where's my vote?--
Where's the paper?
Feel free to interchange and mix it up, or even try a game where different people have to interject with different truths.
- WHO REALLY WON -- I DUNNO -- GOTTA AUDIT!

Also, here are more ideas.
- Magnetic signs for your car
- If you know a trucker, have them put a message in the window as they drive across the county.
- Make a patch and put it on the front of your baseball cap
- Carry a sign and stand in the window outside the Today Show

If we have to be our own media, so be it. We will not sacrifice democracy just because TV executive producers have a problem with this issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 01:02 PM

The election fraud. Isn't it maybe time to let it go, and get the priorities straight, for christ sake?

Pour into the streets of every US city and protest the massacre going on in Fallujah RIGHT NOW by US troops IN OUR NAME.

Make Washington DC ungovernable.

Throw up CITIZEN blockades around US military bases, to prevent any more US troops being deployed to Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: DougR
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 03:35 PM

Donuel: Someone "High" in TV? Not likely. No one in TV would supress such a story! Ever heard the word, "Scoop?"

One piece of advice offered by Guest makes sense. It's time to let go. The election is over.

The rest of what the Guest suggests is complete drivel of course, unless GUEST is actually Osama BinLaden.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 03:38 PM

Guest, donuel is that a police car in your rear view mirror.

Get a life. Kerry lost in as fair an election as possible in this day and age.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 06:48 PM

Doug, a "scoop" of this nature is not likely since the TV networks are owned by corporations who suppress that which they don't want aired. We have arrived at a censorship of the news in America. Do you think that the idea of an election being hacked by Republicans would find itself on Fox News? MSNBC, CBS, ABC and the usual media are close behind Fox.

Bev Harris is a brave American.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 07:07 PM

I wish I knew the truth of it all. Technology has made it theoretically easier to cheat, and who know where temptation plus technology plus a notion of a faith-based destiny might lead?

As I have said before, conspiracy theories are at least as common as conspiracies....but there are good reasons to wonder. When I remember what Charles Coulson and John Haldeman did with Richard Nixon, why would I be surprised to find out Karl Rove is simply a little bit smarter?

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Genie
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:29 PM

For anyone who is seriously suggesting -- from a nonpartisan perspective -- that we "get over it" and move on, let me say this:

First, it AIN'T over.   
There's more than the Presidency at stake -- many state, county, and local elections, and some Congressional races -- and it is NOT too late to correct inaccurate vote counts. The "results" shown in the media are NOT BINDING. Actually, the electoral vote for President is not officially certified by the Senate until January 6.
(The electoral college meets Dec. 18, but several things can happen between now and then to determine how the electors vote.)

More importantly, this is NOT JUST about THIS election.
Had the public and the media not taken their eye off the ball after the debacle of 2000 -- had they not "just moved on" -- we might have gotten REAL electoral reform passed and implemented by this year's election.
The problem is that our politicians and press did not make enough noise about the lack of funding for HAVA and about the many problems that occurred in 2002 with the voting machines.

Right now there's much -- and growing -- outrage about election abuses and suspect occurrences.   If we do not use the energy of this outrage NOW, do you really think anyone in Congress or the media will pay any attention before the 2006 elections?

The major SNAFUS and abuses that have been found so far include:
1. Evidence of hacking into precinct vote count files as they were transmitted via simple modems to central computers.
2. Machines clearly malfunctioning -- e.g., recording hundreds or thousands more votes than were cast (or even registered).   Or counts of NEGATIVE millions of votes.   Machines dumped data, broke down for hours (preventing people from voting), and yielded bizarre results, e.g., thousands of voters in one county leaving the Presidential race un-voted-for.
3. Equally bizarre -- and suspect -- results such as getting a 75% vote for Bush in a precinct with 75% registered Democrats vs. 25% Republicans.
4. Systematic finding of about 5% more votes for Bush where there was no paper trail than where there was.
5. Most of the wild discrepancies occurring where there were no paper trails.
6. Urban precincts that are heavily African-American being given far fewer voting machines than comparable size mostly-white precincts.
7. Hundreds of precincts in "swing" states "running out" of provisional ballots by 11 AM on Nov. 2, though HAVA requires that every "challenged" voter be allowed to cast a provisional ballot.
8. Provisional and absentee ballots not being counted and, in some cases, being destroyed before such counts can be demanded.
9. Many reports of harrassment, threat, or intimidation of would-be-voters, mostly black, Native American, or Hispanic voters.
10. Voting machines that select candidate X when the voter touches the screen for candidate Y. (Mostly cases where the machine selected Bush.)

And more.

Some of these problems -- like deliberately providing too few voting machines in African-American communities -- are a CLEAR violation of the Voting Rights Act. Others are cases where the "official" result is simply not verifiable, even where state law allows for or even demands a recount under certain circumstances.

The HACKING problems suggest that it would not take a true "conspiracy" for millions of votes to have been stolen. If, as is the case in Ohio, more Republicans have access to the machines, they simply have more chance to hack. And if the errors are in the computer source code, that gives the private companies who make the machines way too much control over the election results.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Genie
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:34 PM

More about these issues -- and what to do about them -- HERE
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Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Genie
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:40 PM

Hacking, etc.?
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Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 11:18 AM

Genie, go back in your bottle.

It's over.

Deal with it. No one is listening. Kerry quit.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 12:11 PM

Actually a lot of folks are listening. If Bush won fair and square, I'm totally over that. I care far less about who won than about how they won. I initially thought this election rigging stuff was sour grapes from people wearing tin foil hats, but as the actual numbers come out, there are distinct oddities (which may have a benign explanation, but we better look into 'em).

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 12:53 PM

Who are "the lot of folks" you are referring to?

Name all of their names.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Nerd
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 01:19 PM

Actually, MG, as a point of fact, a concession speech is not legally binding. If the votes were recounted and showed that Kerry had won, then he would be the president-elect despite his concession. I'm not saying there's a snowball's chance in Hell of this, just that "Kerry quit" is meaningless.

There are currently 6 US congressmen pushing the GAO and the FBI to audit the votes in Ohio and Florida. I don't remember all their names (Nadler from NY is one), but you can be sure if there are 6 representatives concerned about this that they have many constituents concerned about it as well.

Keith Olbermann did his top story on Countdown about this last night. I think it is very likely that there is a gag order in many other media outlets from the corporate higher-ups. Remember, Donuel specifically pointed out that the journalists themselves are horrified; desire for a "scoop" comes from the newsroom. All the higher-ups care about is money, and if more money can be had with silence than with scoops, we'll get silence.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 03:01 PM

Better idea. How 'bout you list all those (besides yourself) who are not listening. Nah. Neither one of us has the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 03:41 PM

OK, if a concession speech is not legally binding.

but, it's really like saying, "no,wait! That didn't count!"

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 03:57 PM

Perhaps he had his fingers crossed behind his back?

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 04:03 PM

I wonder why banks and other financial institutions in the US can account for billions of dollars down to the penny, but the country can't count votes accurately.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: GUEST,Rarl Kove
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 04:09 PM

You might remember Gore made several concession speeches yet the recount rolled on.
Corporate media will do everything in its power to prevent any examination of voter fraud.
Afterall the memo contained the words national security

Now lets take a peek ar next year's TV Guide.
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/sunnishitte.jpg


Oh by the way if there are any true conservatives left out there, sorry you no longer have any meaningful states rights but do have the largest federal government in history. Win some lose some.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: mg
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 11:44 PM

absolutely there should be an audit and probably an investigation. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: GUEST,FBI
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 12:46 PM

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=284

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 01:05 PM

clicky for above

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Nerd
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 03:01 PM

Keith Olbermann covered the story again last night. It may get some traction in the media, but probably not.

BTW, my wife is reading Bev Harris's book. Very interesting!

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Nov 04 - 04:05 PM

If you search for "I was tipped off by a person very high up" you get 23 hits on Google. And remember, Google doesn't scan every site every day.

I just thought you ought to know this is NOT a personal message from donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Nerd
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:58 AM

Right. Donuel was not entirely clear about this, but the reason he entitled the thread "Bev Harris" is that the intial post was quoted from her. She is the one who was tipped off.

By now, she has been widely quoted, hence the many google hits.

Subject: RE: BS: Bev Harris
From: Genie
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 02:56 AM

Bev Harris said that Ohio law allows a vote recount to be called for if as few as FIVE Ohio voters who did not vote for the declared "winner" request it.

Even without a recount, it seems there may be as many as 150,000 provisional ballots and another 250,000 or so absentee ballots in Ohio that haven't yet been counted even once. ( don't recall the exact #, but it was said that if Kerry got 88% of the provisional ballot votes and half the absentee ballot votes he would win Ohio even without the recount. That seems quite conceivable. It was overwhelmingly the Republicans who "challenged" voters, and usually voters in heavily Dem precincts who were at the wrong precinct -- the voters who had to vote by provisional ballot.   The absentee ballots are not all military, but even where the military are concerned, a lot of them in Ohio are lower-income black soldiers.

Anyway, Ohio really should have followed the lead of Iowa and New Mexico and held off declaring a winner till all votes were counted.

If when all Ohio's votes are counted, Bush's margin of "victory" has shrunk to about 50,000 votes, a recount would be in order, including and audit of the software that counted votes.