ADD: The Handsome Butcher: John Brown's boots

Subject: RE: ADD: The Handsome Butcher: John Brown's boots
From: GUEST,JM
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 06:01 PM

I too sang this in jr high chorus, early 70’s!

Subject: RE: ADD: The Handsome Butcher: John Brown's boots
From: GUEST,JM
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 06:01 PM

I too sang this in jr high chorus, early 70’s!

Subject: RE: ADD: The Handsome Butcher: John Brown's boots
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 22 - 09:38 AM

fond here
https://forums.abrsm.org/index.php?showtopic=20743&page=2

#3 of Matyas Seiber's 3 Hungarian folk songs:

In the window out the front door,
Throw old nanny from the top floor,
Pack her head into a basket,
Let her sell it in the market.

Come on children welcome each one,
At our party we'll have good fun.
Drink and eat and roister all day,
Farmer Johnny's bullock will pay.

For a coachman we've a black dog,
For a footman we've a roast hog,
On his back a loaf of white bread,
And a bottle on his big head.

Subject: RE: ADD: The Handsome Butcher: John Brown's boots
From: Mo the caller
Date: 16 Apr 22 - 05:35 AM

Still no-one has answered the question about the origin of the words of the 3rd song

Subject: ADD Version: The Handsome Butcher
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Apr 22 - 08:48 PM

Yup: http://www.joe-offer.com/folkinfo/songs/622.html

THE HANDSOME BUTCHER

Seven locks upon the red gate,
Seven gates about the red town.
In the town there lives a butcher
And his name is Handsome John Brown.
In the town there lives a butcher
And his name is Handsome John Brown.

John Browns's boots are polished so fine,
John Brown's spurs they jingle and shine.
On his coat a crimson flower,
In his hand a glass of red wine.
On his coat a crimson flower,
In his hand a glass of red wine.

In the night. the golden spurs ring,
In the dark, the leather boots shine.
Don't come tapping at the window,
Now your heart no longer is mine.
Don't come tapping at the window,
Now your heart no longer is mine.



Source: Singing Together, Autumn 1974, BBC Publications

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Handsome Butcher: "John Brown's boots
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Apr 22 - 08:03 AM

We sang this song in Singing Together - a BBC radio series of the 1950's aimed at teaching kids a little about folksongs.

It should be somewhere in the books supplied to schools to help children sing along with the radio. I think several people on mudcat have complete collections of the Singing Together Books.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Handsome Butcher: "John Brown's boots
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 22 - 11:07 AM

Does anyone know the story /meaning/origin of these words from the folk song ‘the Old Woman?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Handsome Butcher: "John Brown's boots
From: Mo the caller
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 06:45 AM

We are singing these (Tatton Singers summer concert). The second is Apple, apple, is about kissing the Miller's daughter. The third is The Old Woman And yes, the last one is faster than I can get the nonsense words out.
Julia was right about Bartok as well as Seiber I think. I've been googling, and I think Bartok collected the tunes, Seiber arranged them for choir in 1950 while living in England (he came here in 1935). A L Lloyd is credited with the words, but what I wanted to know and couldn't find out is. Did Bartok collect words with the tunes and is the nonsense 3rd song a translation, or Bert LLoyd's invention?

In the window, out the front door
Throw old nanny from the top floor
Pack her head into a basket
Let her sell it in the market
come on children welcome each one
At our party we'll have good fun
Drink and eat and roister allday
Farmer Johnny's bullock will pay

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Brown's boots
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 17 - 08:26 PM

Other two songs, one about kissing a Miller's daughter, and one that has the refrain Apple throughout. The last one is fast!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Brown's boots
From: GUEST,julia l
Date: 09 Sep 14 - 09:11 AM

Not Bartok...
Three Hungarian Folksongs;The Handsome Butcher
Seiber, Mátyás (1905 - 1960) [Hungary]
Text by : Lloyd, A. L.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Brown's boots
From: GUEST,julia L
Date: 09 Sep 14 - 09:07 AM

Just to tie up looses ends


Tuesday, September 05, 2006
A Folksong
The Handsome Butcher

Seven locks upon the red gate, seven gates about the red town
In the town there lives a butcher and his name is Handsome John Brown
In the town there lives a butcher and his name is Handsome John Brown

John Brown's boots are polished so fine,
John Brown's spurs they jingle and shine
On his coat a crimson flower, in his hand a glass of red wine
On his coat a crimson flower, in his hand a glass of red wine

In the night, the golden spurs ring, in the dark, the leather boots shine
Don't come tapping at the window, now your heart no longer is mine

Don't come tapping at the window,
now your heart no longer is mine

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Brown's boots
From: GUEST,Julia
Date: 15 Nov 04 - 06:44 PM

Just found out from a local choir director that this is the first song in an arrangement by Bela Bartok of Three Hungarian Folksongs
Oh well
I f anyone knows any more about it, I'd love to hear
best- Julia

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Brown's boots
From: GUEST,julia
Date: 14 Nov 04 - 10:53 PM

Thanks anyway, Brucie!
Anyone else?
best- Julia

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Brown's boots
From: Peace
Date: 14 Nov 04 - 10:49 PM

Pardon me, Guest Julia.

I had the wrong melody. It rings no bells here. Sorry about the mix up.

Bruce M

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Brown's boots
From: GUEST,julia
Date: 14 Nov 04 - 10:41 PM

Positive about that verse
Not sure which melody you are referring to.

The first line goes up the tonic chord
then back down the scale
as in the key of C, the notes would be C E G G (high) C B A G

Thanks for your help

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Brown's boots
From: Peace
Date: 14 Nov 04 - 10:07 PM

It seems not to scan/jibe with the melody. Sure the words are correct?

Subject: Lyr Req: John Brown's boots
From: GUEST,Julia
Date: 14 Nov 04 - 09:37 PM

Anyone know the rest of this? I remember it from junior high, I think

John Brown's boots are polished so fine
John Brown's spurs they jingle and shine
On his coat a crimson flower
In his hand a glass of red wine
On his coat a crimson flower
In his hand a glass of red wine

Thanks- Julia