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Subject: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Ron Davies Date: 20 Nov 04 - 12:03 PM Netscape News with CNN 20 November 2004 Happened 19 November 2004 "Iraqi forces backed by US soldiers raided Abu Hanifa mosque, one of (Iraq's) most important Sunni mosques, as worshippers were leaving after Friday prayers." "Congregants heard explosions inside the building". How CAN Bush be so stupid? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: dianavan Date: 20 Nov 04 - 01:35 PM He's not stupid, he's evil. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 20 Nov 04 - 01:37 PM From this article: Attack on mosque leaves four dead The International Committee of the Red Cross issued a statement on Friday condemning "the devastating impact that the fighting in Iraq is having on the people of that country". "Every day seems to bring news of yet another act of utter contempt for the most basic tenet of humanity: the obligation to protect human life and dignity," it said. The US is losing control. It will be leaving Iraq much the way it left Vietnam. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Blissfully Ignorant Date: 20 Nov 04 - 01:40 PM Hey, welcome to the future...if you're not rich white and ruthless, you'll get bombed into next week. The future sucks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:06 PM Serious question for the folks who'll be replying to this thread: What is the goal the US has in Iraq? Please don't give the same old tired answers: Establishment of democracy; infrastructure so that the new Iraq can enter the community of nations, blah, blah. What is the US hoping to accomplish, and what is the plan it is following to accomplish that mission? I would think Americans might want to ask their government that question just about now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: mack/misophist Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:18 PM To the best of my knowlege, a formal, written set of goals has never been offered. The obvious military/diplomatic goal is a government strong enough that everything doesn't go to shit the moment we withdraw. By now, that may be the only goal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 20 Nov 04 - 02:27 PM Although I am not a 'religious' man, I think it is downright stupid to attack mosques, churches, synagogues, etc. I don't doubt there was a reason to do so, but it is stupid to do so when people are carrying out their worship. If it was suspected that the mosque housed weapons, it is better maybe to establish a perimeter and enter when people have left. Notice it was Iraqi soldiers supported by American soldiers. Something is really screwed up with the leadership and decisions flowing from the top. It seems there is no obvious plan in place. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: CarolC Date: 20 Nov 04 - 03:09 PM It's all about "balance of power", in the Middle East, and in the whole world. The people who are making foriegn policy in the US have quite clearly stated that world domination is their goal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Rapparee Date: 20 Nov 04 - 03:11 PM From the point of view of the grunts on the ground, it's staying alive until they get out of there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Blissfully Ignorant Date: 20 Nov 04 - 03:13 PM It's the new world order...one can only pray that some elements of good can survive the warmongering on all sides. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 20 Nov 04 - 03:13 PM It's the grunts and civilians I am worried about. I think Americans should be, too. Isn't it time to question Washington? The US has put its troops through this before. It was not a good thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Nov 04 - 03:18 PM To put in place a strong government that will be pro-American. Kind of like Saddam was before he got too big for his boots. Ideally tta woudl be based on popular support, but that increasingly seems highly unlikely. So when the election comes, the crucial factor will be the counting process. American expertise will be called in yp help with that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: GUEST Date: 20 Nov 04 - 06:31 PM A Mosque housing insurgents with explosives and weapons ceases to be a Holy place and becomes a fortress. The US military took great pains to avoid collateral damage, and even removed HE (high explosives) from 8 inch Howitzer shells to take out Anti-aircraft and artillery placed in sandbagged revetments next to Mosques during the war. (the empty shell hits hard) Perhaps a little more thought about enemy propaganda might be in order here. I'm sure the US troops hate to attack Mosques knowing full well the bad Karma it produces around the world; but when forced to, understand and support the actions of your troops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 20 Nov 04 - 06:41 PM ". . . understand and support the actions of your troops." I would love to understand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 20 Nov 04 - 06:45 PM By the way, Guest, my suggestion that Americans try to determine what the goal of the US is in Iraq is a support for the kids over there. It might help people to see why their children are in harm's way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Ebbie Date: 20 Nov 04 - 07:05 PM Not only should we be told frankly what our objective is, we should be informed as to what set of circumstances would signify that we have accomplished the objective. You don't suppose that they're envisioning a flattened and smoking country and a beaten and cowed populace compliant in whatever we wish to do? I just realized that the 'Coalition' is complicit in this atrocity. So when we say the USA is doing this, it is valid to add that the UK and some smaller countries are doing it also. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Nerd Date: 20 Nov 04 - 08:19 PM The US military took great pains to avoid collateral damage... Perhaps a little more thought about enemy propaganda might be in order... So, GUEST, perhaps a little more thought about our OWN propaganda wouldn't hurt YOU. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: GUEST Date: 21 Nov 04 - 01:13 AM Cheap shots are not debate, you dont impress me at all. All I see is rabid anti American diatribe on here, stick to music, some of you actually know something about music. As for what the US is doing to those Mosques, I can attest that some years ago we would have just bombed and napalmed the whole fucking city; and taken fewer US casualties in the process. Maybe you would all like to see armed extremists running Iraq? No chance of ever establishing a rational democratic system with them in charge. Your lack of logic is matched only by your stupid bigoty against anyone posting as a Guest on this forum.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 21 Nov 04 - 01:25 AM Suggesting that there seems to BE no plan regarding the Iraq War isn't "stupid bigoty against anyone posting as a Guest on this forum." Fact is, there seems to be no plan. If there is one, I think it would be prudent for the US Government to make clear to the people paying for the war exactly what that plan is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Nerd Date: 21 Nov 04 - 01:29 AM GUEST, my only point was that the only way you can possibly know whether we are trying hard to avoid collateral damage is through our own propaganda. No need to get so hostile about it. And about that lack of logic: you use the following premise some years ago we would have just bombed and napalmed the whole fucking city to support the apparent conclusion that we are enlightened today because we no longer use these tactics. By the same logic, you could say: Some years ago we were burning innocent women as witches. You could then argue that it's okay if we draw the line at beating innocent women today. That is YOUR logic, GUEST. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: dianavan Date: 21 Nov 04 - 01:35 AM Guest - In case you haven't noticed, armed extremists ARE running Iraq. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: GUEST,Barry Finn Date: 21 Nov 04 - 03:39 AM There doesn't seem to be a clear agenda on the part of the US (they are running the show) & others. Reasoning changes with the wind & the objectives are well hidden from the public's eye. The society we're living in is a shadow government that does not answer questions even when caught red handed with their hands in the cookie jar. The spin is not that creative "it's not a cookie jar, it's an oil well & that's not my hand anyway, it's my straw stuck in my nose". Until the general public screams as it did in the 60's & 70's we will get squat for information. There are a couple problems there though. 1st we have those who care nothing about the world around them. 2nd we have those who wouldn't question a move the administration makes believing whatever shit gets shoveled out with the days trash. 3rd there are those that refuse to believe something may be amiss & refuse to be responsible enough to investigate all sides of this conflict. Maybe worst than the public not performing their patriotic duty is that the foundations that deny public protest have been already laid in place, thank you for Home Land Security & the Patriot Acts. To think that those running the government get to decide where a protest zone should be is the equivalent of free speech being spoken only in the mine shafts. As citizens of the most powerful & potentially most dangerous country in the world we have the responsibility & obligation to the rest of the world to keep our government from becoming the new terror. We are becoming what we most despise, the allied enemy. Our chances have past to provide a good affordable education to our own & those abroad, to really contribute in the fight against world aids, to improve global health, to help to bring peace to torn up nations, to help with world hunger, etc. We had the money, we had the world's support, we had the where all & the capabilities, we just didn't have the brains, the balls nor the heart. Instead we are bleaching bones in the deserts, overthrowing nations, murdering innocents in their places of worship, strutting around the world like the cock of the walk pretending to be God's gift to the willing. Maybe all of this is for not & none of this will matter if we continue to let this government try to bury Mother Nature before ruling the globe. The environment & Mother will survive but we won't, she'll watch us die before she'll let us kill her. Then again we may just kill ourselves off long before she needs to lend us a hand. "Here Earth lies, all her people died by some form of suicide". Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Nov 04 - 07:33 AM Er, I know what the plan is. It has been stated often enough. The plan was to establish Iraqui security and police forces, to hold elections to establish a legitimate Iraqui government, and withdraw. The problem is that the US army, superb at fighting wars, has no idea of how to stabilise a post war situation and has succeeded in antagoning even those who would have been their natural allies. Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 21 Nov 04 - 02:19 PM Then it's time to get the UN in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Nov 04 - 02:38 PM No one would object to that, but what hope? They just made another resolution about Sudan. (remember the 30 day ultimatum issued months ago?) This time they threatened, not intervention, not sanctions, but "appropriate action" Meanwhile the people continue to die. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: GUEST,heric Date: 21 Nov 04 - 02:51 PM I would like to know the process for becoming a candidate in the upcoming elections (not that I want to run.) Who organizes a "loyal opposition" under these circumstances? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: GUEST,Skeptic Date: 21 Nov 04 - 02:55 PM Carole C writes: "The people who are making foriegn policy in the US have quite clearly stated that world domination is their goal." Really? I think they want democracy to take hold in many countries - but world domination? If they cleary stated it - then back it up with some proof before sprewing more propagada to us poor ignorant folkies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Ron Davies Date: 21 Nov 04 - 03:23 PM We don't have to subscribe to conspiracy theories of either the Right or Left to realize that Bush is blowing the Iraq situation beyond belief. He seems to have completely forgotten the part about "democracy is on the march"--he's always been more comfortable with the body count contest anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: GUEST Date: 21 Nov 04 - 03:46 PM "Isn't it time to question Washington?" Actually, I think that question is better put to the Kerrycrats, who SHOULD have been at the forefront of the anti-war on Iraq movement, but cannibalized the movement in order to silence all dissent on the war on Iraq, in order for Kerry to win. That strategy for questioning Washington worked about as well as any, eh? It is just plain idiotic to think that the Democratic party will question the war. They voted for it, and continue to vote to fund it. The only way to effectively question this war is to make the US ungovernable, as was done with non-violent action to stop the Vietnam war. We don't need to question Washington, we need to shut down business as usual in Washington. Which will begin with the January 20th Counter-Inaugural festivities. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Metchosin Date: 21 Nov 04 - 04:14 PM Well part of the plan is to take the revenue from the resources of Iraq (read oil) out of the control of the Iraqi people. The Paris Club, has agreed to forgive part of their assessed debt deemed owed to them, by Iraq, in exchange for certain provisions imposed by the IMF, which includes among other things, the guarantee by "Iraq", that public institutions and resources will, from now on, have to be in private hands and only a minimum level of social services will be permitted. Right.... the meek may inherit the earth, but they will never take title to it. The Paris Club member countries are AUSTRIA AUSTRALIA BELGIUM CANADA DENMARK FINLAND FRANCE GERMANY IRELAND ITALY JAPAN NETHERLANDS NORWAY RUSSIAN FEDERATION SPAIN SWEDEN SWITZERLAND UNITED KINGDOM and the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, which loaned the massive amounts of money to the regime of Saddam Hussein in the first place, so that he could wage war on Iran. The agreement was signed on behalf of the Iraqi people, by the current finance minister of the interim government which was appointed by the US. Great advance in democracy, eh, the forever disenfranchised people of Iraq can't win for loosing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 21 Nov 04 - 04:20 PM 1) Learn all you can about tear gas and what to do when you are in a cloud of it. 2) If you get arrested, say NOTHING until you have a lawyer. 3) Carry nothing to the demonstration that could possibly be perceived as a weapon. 4) Learn the position to take if you intend to be non-violent and are going to be beaten. 5) Do NOT resist arrest. That's a sure way to get yer head split open. 6) Thank you for this. I expect to be arrested at the next economic summit that's held in Canada, and I too will take the advice above. Been there; done that; gonna do it again. Bruce Murdoch |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 21 Nov 04 - 04:26 PM PS GUEST: I don't know if you're a guy or a gal, but ya got balls, kid. Bruce |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: dianavan Date: 21 Nov 04 - 05:43 PM Metchosin - I can't believe all of the nations you listed (including Canada) can be so callous. It seems to me that if the money was loaned to Saddam, the debt is owed by Saddam. How can they hold the Iraqi people responsible for this when it is the U.S. who removed the debtor from the position that would enable him to repay? ...and now they've forgiven the loan as long as the new govt. agrees to privatize and "only a minimum level of social services will be permitted." ROBBERY! Isn't this a bit like bombing the hell of a country and then loaning them the money to re-build? Has Germany ever repaid their debt from World War II? d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 21 Nov 04 - 06:00 PM Outstanding Iraqi Debts According to th Paris Club as of Jan. 1, 2003 (US$ millions excluding interest arrears) Coalition Members Amount Claimed War Opponents Amount Claimed Japan 4,109 Russia 3,450 USA 2,192 France 2,994 Italy 1,726 Germany 2,404 Britain 931 Austria 813 Australia 499 Canada 564 Spain 321 Brazil 193 Netherlands 97 Sweden 186 South Korea 55 Belgium 185 Denmark 31 Finland 152 Switzerland 118 Totals 9,961 11,059 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 21 Nov 04 - 06:01 PM Sorry, best I could do. That's from Iraq's Odious Debt Must be Eliminated, Not Rescheduled |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: akenaton Date: 21 Nov 04 - 06:54 PM The continued use of force in the Middle East is to install Western style "democracy". A so called Democratic system is much easier to bribe and manipulate than an Islamic regime would be. The power of the clerics would be weakened, and access to uninterruped supply of oil facilitated. Democratisation would also weaken the position of the various insurgent groups, who see very plainly what the Wests endgame is. The very important point which Brucie brought up, is why dont they tell us the truth about why we are in Iraq. The reason we are misled ,is that telling the truth would uncover the greatest con ever perpetrated on humanity. We are told that the West upholds the values of freedom , liberty, self determination for all countries and of course real democratic government. The actions of the USA and the UK in Iraq and with regard to the palistinian people, actually proves the opposite to be the case. We are now acting like fascists, to safeguard the energy supplies required to keep our Capitalist machine working. GUEST is correct,the electoral system is incapable of delivering meaningfull change,as the Bush - Kerry debachle proved. If we dont wish to be immersed in a right wing fascist regime , backed by a Christian fundamentalist ideology, direct action is the only course open ....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: dianavan Date: 21 Nov 04 - 07:10 PM "The agreement was signed on behalf of the Iraqi people, by the current finance minister of the interim government which was appointed by the US." How can an interim govt. be responsible for signing anything on behalf of the Iraqi people? They have not been elected! I consulted my Persian friend about so-called democracy in Iraq. He said, it will never be allowed because if it were truly a democracy, it would go down the same path as Iran. That is, it would be ruled by Moslem fundamentalists. The emporer has no clothes! d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: akenaton Date: 21 Nov 04 - 07:32 PM Exactly the point I have been making since before the war. The real war is between the West and Islam. The interesting point,is would we on the left stick to our lofty principles if the oil supply was interrupted and our standard of life was affected for the worse. Or would we join the pirates to save our skins?...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: dianavan Date: 21 Nov 04 - 08:09 PM Ake - If the people of the middle east had control of their resources, they would still want to sell. The oil supply from the middle east might be interrupted but I am not sure why it would be. The biggest difference would be that the middle east would gain the profit instead of U.S. oil companies. Yes or no? I think that if it means that we have to kill for oil, I would rather change my lifestyle. Thats a no brainer. I've been without wheels now for a couple of years and I can tell you that once the adjustment has been made, it is easier than you think. Public transit is the way to go. Of course now, because of the war, the price of steel has skyrocketed which transfers to escalating costs for rapid transit. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: CarolC Date: 21 Nov 04 - 08:29 PM It's all right here, Skeptic, in their own words: Project for the New American Century. Read it for yourself... in particular, this bit right here: http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf Some of the members of PNAC include, Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes, Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, and Paul Wolfowitz. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Metchosin Date: 21 Nov 04 - 08:32 PM But would they sell it to the "right" countries? I sure China would gladly welcome an ever increasing secure supply. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: dianavan Date: 21 Nov 04 - 10:18 PM They would sell it to whoever they wanted to sell it to. Quite possibly the highest bidder. Isn't that the way business is conducted? Why should it be any different for Iraqis? If you want something from someone, you don't just take it. Most people learn this in kindergarten. If you were Iraqi, who would you sell to? The U.S. who have bullied there way into the country or China who is sitting quietly on the sidelines? d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: dianavan Date: 21 Nov 04 - 10:20 PM In fact, for the U.S. to demand oil for blood can only be termed extortion. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 21 Nov 04 - 10:27 PM However, just as the Canadian Wheat Board controls wheat, so do oil organizations like OPEC control the price of oil. Meet the price ya got the oil. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: dianavan Date: 21 Nov 04 - 11:44 PM So are you saying that the U.S. can't meet OPECS price but China can? Thats why the U.S. is attempting to take-over the oil fields rather than buy the oil? Still doesn't make it right to terrorize the Iraqi people. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 21 Nov 04 - 11:45 PM True. What I was saying is that oil prices are controlled and manipulated. He who controls, manipulates. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Peace Date: 21 Nov 04 - 11:47 PM The 'true' was about it not being right to terrorize the Iraqi people, BTW. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: CarolC Date: 22 Nov 04 - 12:37 PM In this case, the motivation has a lot more to do with who gets the profits from the oil than what the price of the oil is going to be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Ron Davies Date: 22 Nov 04 - 11:21 PM My point was how incredibly stupid and clumsy Bush is in prosecuting this war (sorry--it can't be a war--he's already declared victory.) 2 great ways to turn the population against you: 1) killing civilians 2) committing sacrilege against religions of the country where you're fighting. He's doing both, in spades. Then comes the election in January--which is supposed to be the goal of the whole operation--and the grateful Iraqis are supposed to elect a pro Western government? What about it---Bearded Bruce, Doug R., Guest US, et al.? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: GUEST Date: 22 Nov 04 - 11:39 PM Ron, The use of mosques as armed strongpoints is against the Geneva Conventions. So who do you think it is that is committing sacrilege by using the mosques as military storage and fortified positions? And isn't it the insurrectionists that are killing civilians by execution? Or don't they count? Or is it your contention that there should be no election, and the best armed ( or most brutal) faction should rule by terror? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: dianavan Date: 23 Nov 04 - 02:11 AM I'm pretty sure the U.S. signed the Geneva Conventions and I'm pretty sure that the insurgents did not sign the Geneva Conventions. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: GUEST Date: 23 Nov 04 - 06:26 AM I'm pretty sure the U.S. signed the Geneva Conventions and I'm pretty sure that the insurgents did not sign the Geneva Conventions. (dianavan) And therefore it doesn't apply (to them)???? That's one of the arguments of the Bush government regarding the treatment of terrorist prisoners. I'm surprised you use it, dianavan. A bad arguments is still a bad argument even if it is used with good intentions. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Nerd Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:27 AM The Insurgents are iraqi nationals and Iraq did sign the Geneva Conventions. I didn't sign the conventions either, but I am bound by it (if I am a soldier, I may not kill an unarmed civilian, etc) and protected by it. It works the same for them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: dianavan Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:10 PM Thanks Nerd - That means they are both bound by the agreement. I thought (erroneously) that only those that signed were bound but you're right, if Iraq signed, they are also bound to the terms of the agreement. Perhaps the insurgents do not believe they are bound by an agreement signed by a government that no longer exists. Guest - I was thinking that if one party signed an international agreement and the other didn't, only the party that signed would be bound by the agreement. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: Ron Davies Date: 24 Nov 04 - 12:18 AM Guest 22 Nov 11:39 PM-- Thanks for a reasoned response to the question, rather than the typical Bushite Neanderthal lines--because the president says so--or"we have to fight them in Baghdad or in Boston", or other false dichotomies. But please get a handle, lest you be mistaken for the trolls we sometimes get. In answer to your question: I think it's pretty clear that Iraqis themselves are likely to be far more tolerant of their own firebrands than of foreigners,, especially Westerners, destroying their mosques. Even the so-called Iraqi army appears, from what I've read, to be heavily manned by Kurdish fighters, who do not in fact consider themselves Iraqis. If Kurds invade Iraqi mosques, it's not a huge improvement on when Westerners do it. My main point is: eyes on the prize---- election in January. The more attacks on one religion or another, the less chance there can be a stable Iraqi state----there are enough ethnic and religious tensions already, without stoking them further. Also, as others have pointed out, being killed by execution or by a stray bomb makes no difference to the dead person or his or her family and friends. Both sides are guilty of needless deaths. Bush's ham-handed approach is making things worse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Iraqi Mosque Raided From: GUEST,donuel Date: 24 Nov 04 - 12:57 AM Back in Reagan's administration when Casey was CIA director we were bombing mosques. Then is was to get a bad guy. Now it is standard operating procedure by buck privates. I have made plenty of crusade theme paintings this year, but right after 9-11 when I did not yet know about the Rumsfeld PNAC plan to instigate war initiatives as outlined in numerous Rumsfeld Congressional reports, I did a picture of a mosque filled with WTC smoke. Maybe it has lost its impact on the soul but here it is... http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/mosqueb.jpg Sometimes I think the US is swatting at a mosquito with a $2 trillion flyswatter...The mosque quito still gets its blood and the US just goes out and buys another flyswatter... http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/mosquito.jpg |
