BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan

Subject: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: freda underhill
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 05:11 PM

this is a good article

the murder of margaret hassan

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 07:30 PM

From the article above, "...Bush and Blair are achieving the most perverse of tricks: they are creating the resistance they want to subdue."

Good read, freda!

d

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 07:41 PM

Mission accomplished?

Good article, freda...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 07:43 PM

That is a very well-written, considerate article. Thanks for posting it, Freda.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 07:45 PM

The anti-war protesters are responsible for her murder.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 07:59 PM

"The anti-war protesters are responsible..." And they also caused Mount Saint Helens to erupt.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,Skipy
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 08:26 PM

Don't feed the troll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Nerd
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 01:31 AM

Poor Uncle Sam is flashing back to the 60s again.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 05:22 AM

What sort of animal could do that to such a caring woman? Not only do I not know their motives, but I suspect they don't either. It's a hate crime, and I hope they rot in whatever hell they believe in for their sins.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 12:12 PM

I second the opinion about feeding trolls.

As hard as this murder is to comprehend, I put it in the realm of what I call a 'sacred killing'. You see this happen in on-going entrenched political warfare where there is tremendous imbalances of power between the warring groups. The group that does the murdering murders a person sacred in some way to either it's own side or their enemy's. Sadly and depressingly, these sorts of sacred killings among warring factions are not all that uncommon these days.

These are the darkest of killings, intended to strike at the very heart of reason, hence their effectiveness and their depravity. Most killing in wartime is senseless slaughter. This wasn't a senseless act, it was a well considered one, aimed straight at the heart of all that Westerners wish to believe about themselves: that we are, or at least believe we have the capacity to be compassionate, caring, and courageous in the face of violence.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 04:54 AM

At the turn of the century Margaret Hassan was in no danger at all inside Iraq. Do we wonder who changed that? I've heard that Somebody's "god" spoke in his ear----

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: freda underhill
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:17 AM

I thought this was a good article because it talks about the horrible contradictions of this age. as it shows, both sides in that horrible war have good reasons to loathe the other side, both sides are commiting hate crimes and butchery. talk about human rights seems like a sort of privilege, living in a country that does not have war on its soil.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: DougR
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 12:05 PM

Twelve posts and not one that lays blame where it belongs. The terrorists that killed her.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 12:11 PM

This article is by a whining Scot.

Blaming Bush and Blair for this monstrous calculated murder by barbarian savages is completely full of fecal matter.

go ahead, justify this Arab madness. I could give a flying fuck what you think.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 12:14 PM

DougR - I suspect that (as usual?) you didn't bother to read the linked article. If you had, it would have been hard to avoid stumbling over phrases such as the following. I suspect that those endorsing the article also endorse these statements.


"The murder of Margaret Hassan: it was barbaric and ruthless...

The hooded man's definition of resistance approaches insanity...

Hassan's killer may have been nothing more than a psychopathic bandit...

Hassan's murder suggests that what many Iraqis call "resistance" has become utterly debauched, callous beyond comprehension...

Others, like the murderer of Margaret Hassan, are ruthless, opportunistic bandits...

And poor Margaret Hassan, who loved them and abhorred the attack upon them, will not just be on the conscience of the pig who put her to death..."

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Lanfranc
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 12:55 PM

Doug R and Martin Gibson - The fecal matter was spread by Bush and Bliar, Margaret Hassan's murderers just took root in it!

Most Muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are Muslims!

Alan

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 01:26 PM

You anti-war protesters are apologizing for the terrorists, feeding their desire to kill people like Hassan and trying to blame her murder on others.

You are having feelings of guilt and you are trying to cover it up.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Chris Green
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 01:35 PM

GUEST, US I think there are two threads going on here. The first is the one that can be read above. The second is one that does not appear to exist outside your head. No-one is "apologizing for the terrorists" (I think you mean "being an apologist for the terrorists", by the way). No-one is trying to "blame her murder on others" - it seems to be a pretty unanimous consensus from all the posters that it is the work of terrorists. You seem to be displaying a similar trait to your beloved Mr Bush by launching pre-emptive strikes on people who haven't attacked you.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 01:51 PM

So who killed Hassan, why and whose fault was it?

A. Terrorists.

B. Because they do not want a democracy in Iraq.

C. It is the fault of protestors who give them reason to believe they will suceed if they murder enough good and innocent people.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: TIA
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 01:57 PM

A. - agreed
B. - partially agreed
C. - who is being the apologist for terrorists now my friend?

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 02:08 PM

It is a favorite game of the anti-war protesters and terrorist apologists to try to spin the definition terrorist to apply to the coalition forces who are trying to establish a democratic government in Iraq.

It does not work. It is failed logic.

It is similar to the way a few people on the ghettos claim the police are evil and the drug dealers are the good guys.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: TIA
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 02:30 PM

Sorry, you totally missed the point. It's not about anyone's definition of terrorist. Read your three answers again. By blaming the anti-war protestors, YOU are being an apologist for terrorists. Ouch.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 03:07 PM

I don't blame the anti-waqr protestors.

I blame the asshole Arab terrorists.

blaming Bush and Blair is senseless whining.

they made them do it? Get a grip.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: freda underhill
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:07 PM

strange skills some people have, they can write but can't read..

does this mean they can talk but can't think?

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:30 PM

No, it means that even good looking women can cut a rancid fart.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: freda underhill
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:37 PM

hey martin, you had a colonnic but its coming out the wrong end. somebody turn the hose off!

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:39 PM

Freda, please cross your legs.

Your breath is killing me!

dish it out. You have to take it.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,NURSE RATCHED
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:42 PM

I came with my scissors to cut this man's balls off, but he doesnt have any.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:55 PM

Nurse Ratched , you wouldn't know balls if they were halfway down your throat.

You have that tampoon confused where it goes. didn't your mama tell you it doesn't go in your mouth.

Unless you want to smoke it.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 06:00 PM

Tia:

So you are saying that the terrorists did it and it is the terrorists' fault? Or the terrorists did it and it is my fault?

I don't get it. They are did it because all of this anti-war, get out of Iraq puke makes them think they can achieve their goals by killing more and more good and innocent people.

They think this barbarism will make the majority of American loose their support for the war. That is the very purpose of terrorism. When you get wimpy, they are winning.

You are playing into their hands and it is the fault of the anti-war, get out of Iraq wimps.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: freda underhill
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 06:00 PM

hey martin, i was getting worried about you, thought you were slowing down in your old age. good to see the old motor's still kick starting!

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:54 PM

I haven't read anywhere that Hassan's murder was condoned by anyone. Nobody had anything to gain. She was murdered. Period!

Why did it happen? Because someone felt very threatened.

Would they have felt threatened prior to the arrival of U.S. troops? Would Margaret Hassan been in danger prior to the arrival of U.S. troops? Who gains by these senseless acts? Nobody.

Trying to blame her death on anti-war protestors is stretching it a bit don't you think? I think some of you need a lesson on cause and effect. The person who murdered her made it very clear what was being demanded in return for her life. Nobody listened. Would the response have been the same if she were kidnapped on American soil? I think not.

d

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:58 PM

Like I said in at least one other thread, U. Sam, I want to see you get INTO Iraq. Takes more than talk to make a 110% American; get over there and start shooting. You're just sitting around stateside and talking like them damn liberal protesters.

You do believe in fighting terrorists, don't you?

clint

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:59 PM

Logic isn't something with which GUEST US is too familiar; not in this case, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 10:02 PM

You could use the threatened defense for any criminal act. They did it so you would protest aginst the government. If they did not think there would be anti-war protest, they would not murder these innocent people. No protest no murders of innocent people.

They would instead be murdering the people that threaten them.

It is not that hard to figure out.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 10:27 PM

Nah, Freda. I haven't lost a step.

Guest, US, I'm starting to get fed up with you. Why are you blaming anti-war protestors? No one is listening to them anyway.

Blame the fucking Arab terrorists themselves because it is Allah's way. Get off of these poor peace loving people's ass and go burn a Koran or something. OK?

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 10:58 PM

I am blaming the Terrorists for doing the deed but I am saying they are listening to and feeding the anti-war protestors.

The woman was not harming them and was no threat. They did it to stir up more anti-war protest.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: mack/misophist
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 11:25 PM

The only thing I can add here is to commend Ms Underhill on using the word Murder. CNN tends to say Execute. Most of them are not executions, they are murders and ought to be condemned as such.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:31 AM

So M.G. reckons the Sunday Herald article was written by a "whining Scot", eh? Well, you foul-mouthed balloon-head, keep directing your insults at the girls who contradict your crappy opinions. You will be safer that way.
A compilation of the fetid scribblings of "Uncle Sam", Martin G. and Doug.R. as posted on this thread alone would make some quite revealing reading!
Ian Bell, the "whining Scot", is, BTW, one of the best of the fairly substantial number of journalists who tell the truth and to hell with the consequences.
    And Margaret Hassan was on NO danger till after the prissily-named "unilateral action" by Bush and his sycophant, Toady Blair.
Get in touch with the Lady's family---I dare you!

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: TIA
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 07:09 AM

Guest US. You still don't get it. Purposely perhaps? Well I'll draw the cartoon version for you, then I'm through.

NO ONE has done anything but condemn the murder of Margaret Hassan.

EVERYONE agrees that it was done by terrorists.

Some people try to understand what motivates these crazies.

You say that trying to understand their motivation means one supports them - that one is an "apologist" for the terrorists.

ARE YOU WITH ME SO FAR?








You, in an attempt to ascribe motives for the terrorists, say that it is the fault of anti-war folks.

By ascribing motivation and fixing blame anywhere other than on the terrorists, this makes you, BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION AND LOGIC, an apologist for the terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 07:34 AM

good one, Tia!

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:53 AM

Guest, Boab

What's written in a Scot newspaper by this amateur is completely irrelevant.

You live in a second rate country with second rate everything. Your problem, not mine.

Hassan was killed by Arab terrorist murderers.

what are you? A dummy?

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:39 AM

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:50 AM

Terrorists killed Hassan.

The reason they killed her was because they know that antiwar protesters will protest against the war.

If it were not for anti-war protesters Hassan would not have been murdered.

That does not constitute an apology for what they did.

You are trying to apologise for the actions of anti-war protesters that give the terrorists a reason to kill innocent and good people.

The anti-war protesters are the unwitting acomplices of the terrorists. You are one of the tools they use like the Media.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 12:21 PM

Yeah, maybe you are right.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 12:42 PM

MG - although I usually ignore you when you're on a rant, I'm compelled to join this one.

Have you been to Scotland? I'm English (you know, one of the ones that Scotsmen are supposed to hate). I've been to Scotland a lot. I've spent a fair amount of time in the USA too. I know a lot of Scottish people. And I know a pretty fair number of Americans (I work for an American-owned company).

It wasn't a Scotsman who murdered a defenceless wounded man in a mosque the other day. Give me Scotland and the Scots every time.

Thank you for you gracious attention, and goodbye.

S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:02 PM

He wasn't defenseless. He was a terrorist. And learn how to spell denfenseless. And scared young soldiers do make mistakes.

No, I haven't been to Scotland. I hear the food is terrible and they drive on the wrong side of the road if they can afford a car.

And get rid of that silly skirt that no other men in the world wear.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 03:11 PM

Well Martin I thought you would just love the Scots, as most of the Bush votin' hillbillys are descended from Scottish immigrants.

Also, fact that the early Scottish settlers were among the most hard and cruel slave owners,should appeal to your humanitarian side ....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:20 PM

OOOH---MARTIN! You have just now attacked unilaterally, and made yourself a host of new foes! Just exactly like your gawky-but-deadly mentors skulking bravely in the WhiteHouse. And, Martin--the "Thin Red Line" hijacked by Hollywood never were US marines; they were the Scots in Philabegs [sma' kilts]who stopped the Russians dead in their tracks in the Crimea. Aye---beware of big guys wearing "skirts".....

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:26 PM

Martin's world consists of Chicago and Israel. Beyond that, his vision is extremely limited.

d