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Subject: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 09:32 PM

I have the Ed McCurdy CD, Cowboy Songs, released in 1996. Of course this is a CD release of material recorded on vinyl much earlier - but when? It's not Elektra EKL 112 from 1957, which also consists of songs of the West (but not the same songs). It may be a re-release of Tradition TLP 2061, but I think that just begs the question, as the Tradition LPs were themsleves re-releases of older material (if I'm not mistaken) and anyway I can't find a year for the Tradition LP.

I suppose the answer is "sometime in the late 50s, early 60s," but if someone out there can pin it down to a specific year or two I'd be much obliged.

There have been several McCurdy threads here - I've looked through them and haven't found what I'm after (but I've been known to miss things).


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 09:45 PM

This page lists most, if not all, of Ed McCurdy's records. It seems that the original was "Songs of the West" and "Songs of the Old West" They give 1956 for one and 195? for the other.

(It's a good site to know about!)


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Stewie
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:01 PM

I have both the CD and an issue of the source LP, but cannot give a date. The title of the LP is 'Song of the West' - note that there is no 's'. The LP that I got here in Oz probably came via England because it is on the Astor label 'Gold Star Series' Astor GGS 908. The record centre sticker has 'A Tradition USA Recording' and the cover has a small 'Tradition/Everest' logo. Unfortunately, neither place has a date. The brief note by Lee Palmer on the back cover states that 'in 1952, in New York, he [McCurdy] started writing and performing in children's shows ...'   This indicates that the record was made post-1952 at least. The track listings on the LP and CD are identical.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Peace
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:01 PM

"Cowboy Songs of the Old West" by Lomax and McCurdy?


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Stewie
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:23 PM

This page indicates Tradition 2061 was titled 'Song of the West' despite the CD booklet note 'Original LP release Cowboy Songs Tradition/Everest TLP 2061:

Click Here.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:39 PM

right...that page I noted does say "Song of the West (you see what you expect to see)...but they are not sure of the exact date. I saw Ed in concert not long ago...I wish this had come up, I'd have asked him! He's about 86, and going strong.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:51 PM

thanks for this thread..

I have a weakness for vintage cowboy song recordings...
and this artist is a new one for me ..

still trying to find a Roy Rogers CD
with "A cowboy needs a horse"

a recording i've only ever found available
on a red plastic mini 78 rpm Gala Goldentone kids record..

..dont have a 78 record player anymore..


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:27 PM

Sorry Bill D, Ed passed away in March of 2000 so you may have seen an imposter or your dates are confused!

There WERE two separate albums - Song of the West that was issued by Tradition in had to come after 1956. Ed's first recording was made in 1954 with Ramblin Jack Elliot and Oscar Brand. If my information is correct, 1956 was the year that Dianne Hamilton and Paddy Clancy launched the label. In 1957 he recorded Songs of the Old West for Elektra. Different songs on both albums.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 01:23 AM

My thanks to all in this thread. Bill D, it's not "Songs of the Old West." That's Elektra EKL-112 from 1956 or 1957, a different set of songs. Brucie, it's not the McCurdy-Lomax album, there's no sign of Lomax on the album I'm talking about. Stewie is certainly right that it's "Song of the West," and that's Tradition TLP 2061. Too bad no one has posted a date for that album, and I've found nothing on the web. Ron, I didn't know Tradition went back that far, but of course you're right, and I retract my earlier suggestion that TLP 2061 was a re-issue of earlier material.

I hate it when albums don't give the (original) year of issue anywhere. But I guess I'd rather have albums with incomplete documentation than not have the albums at all!


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 09:28 AM

Gerry, I think you are right - TLP2061 was a reissue of the original. Back in the '60's, Everest Records obtained the rights to Traditions and a few other record labels. They began reissuing bargain-priced LP's.   

I got to know Ed in the early 80's when he was living in NYC. I remember a conversation we had when he mentioned that he had recorded something like 40 albums (in the U.S. and Canada), but there were numerous releases on other labels that he had no control over.   Back then record labels would sell their catalog to other companies who would re-package the recordings.   The Lomax-McCurdy LP that Brucie mentioned is an example - a company combined two "theme" albums into one. At least the topic was connected. I have an album that features Ed McCurdy on one side and Josh White on the other with neither artist getting credit.   It was sinful!

Ed also sold the rights to some of his recordings (as did many artists of the time) and subsequently the rights have been sold to others. When Ed passed away his son Dana came on my program and mentioned that the family isn't even sure who has the rights to some of his recordings these days.   

Aside from the "Cowboy Songs" CD, the only other available recordings are the "Children's Songs" CD and a "best of" CD compiled from the Dalliance series. Ed would have had a fit as the new title is "Naughty and Bawdy". He called his songs "erotic" and told me "Oscar Brand sings bawdy ballads".

As you can probably guess, I am a huge admirer of his work. I think it is a shame that his recordings are no longer available. Albums such as "A Ballad Singers Choice", "Blood Booze n' Bones" (a classic that Tom Paxton gives credit to on one of his early albums) and "American Folk Songs" are just a few that spring to mind.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 11:45 AM

*pounding head on wall to loosen the cobwebs*

yes, Ron...I saw Oscar Brand recently! (almost the same thing, right??)

anyway...carry on.......


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 11:55 AM

Actually, no.   Bawdy and erotic are two very different styles. Bawdy takes a humorous approach where as erotic is an arousal of passion.    Sort of the difference between hamburger and steak!


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 12:26 PM

oh, I know the difference..I have multiple recording of both,,,*grin*...I just have this name recognition problem,...Rod...


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 01:53 PM

Oscar is amazing. I saw him this summer at the Eisteddfod Festival and he gave an outstanding performance. For Mudcatters in the NJ area, he will be performing at the Hurdy Gurdy Coffeehouse in Paramus, NJ on December 4. I am looking forward to being the MC that night!


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Acme
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 03:32 PM

I have a handful of recordings by McCurdy--sadly, most of them went out of my hands when my dad's estate was settled and I haven't managed to retrieve them in other forms. I did tape and photocopy all covers and liner notes before I had to send them to a sibling. The (copies of) LP or covers themselves provide little date information.

As it happens I have this week been listening to the CD of the McCurdy cowboy songs, because I stumbled upon it at the public library.

I've pulled out my box of photocopies and tapes and find a whole slew of titles: The Ballad Record, A Ballad Singer's Choice, Sin Songs--pro and con, Songs of the West (the identical songs to the CD), A Treasure Chest of American Folk Song, The Best of Ed McCurdy, When Dalliance Was in Flower (vols. 1 & 2), and Son of Dalliance.

The liner notes for the CD says "Original LP release: Cowboy Songs, Tradition/Everest TPL 2061." I have this album, but it is called "Songs of the West, TR 2061" so for some reason the producers of the new release choose to confuse the old name and the new on their credits. The disk itself (the photocopy I'm looking at right now) doesn't credit who owns the rights to the songs. The photocopy album cover is filed somewhere else; these were extra photocopies not filed that I'm looking at right now, so unless I dig around, I can't tell you for sure that this release has songs from a couple of sources.

Anyway, when you look at the song credits on the CD, they're mixed, so it seems the Tradition/Everest version was not the first. This is what the CD shows:

1. When The Work's All Done This Fall
(J. & A. Lomax) Tro-Ludlow Music (BMI)

2. The Cowboy
(J. & A. Lomax) Tro-Ludlow Music (BMI)

3. Jack O'Diamonds
(McCurdy) Tro-Hampshire House Pub Corp (ASCAP)

4. Utah Carroll
(J. & A. Lomax) Tro-Ludlow Music (BMI)

5. Punchin' the Dough
(McCurdy) Tro-Hampshire House Pub Corp (ASCAP)

6. Red River Valley
(McCurdy) Tro-Hampshire House Pub Corp (ASCAP)

7. My Gal on the Rio Grande
(McCurdy) Tro-Hampshire House Pub Corp (ASCAP)

8. Along Side Of the Santa Fe Trail
(McCurdy) Tro-Hampshire House Pub Corp (ASCAP)

9. The Days of '49
(J. & A. Lomax) Tro-Ludlow Music (BMI)

10. Strawberry Roan
(McCurdy) Tro-Hampshire House Pub Corp (ASCAP)

11. Poor Lonesome Cowboy
(J. & A. Lomax) Tro-Ludlow Music (BMI)

12. When the Curtains of Night
(McCurdy) Tro-Hampshire House Pub Corp (ASCAP)

13. The Texas Song
(J. & A. Lomax) Tro-Ludlow Music (BMI)

That last one is called "Old Texas" on my album,

Finally, you may want to visit this page: http://www.followthemusic.com/disco.html which contains an Elektra discography. I extracted the following from it. The albums mentioned at the bottom end of the list were samplers with many performers, and I'm sure were compiled from the earlier recordings, but I'll include them anyway. You'll note that even the discography doesn't have all of the dates. (I'm bothering to paste this extract instead of just giving the URL in case the site decides to go away. Mudcat management can decide if they want to leave this big swatch of discography intact. This seems to be associated with an advertisement for a book by Jac Holzman, founder of Elektra Records.)

http://www.followthemusic.com/disco.html

Elektra Diskography released 1951-1958



Elektra EKL 16 [Mono] - Released in 1955 - 10-inch LP
Badmen And Heroes - Ed McCurdy, Jack Elliott and Oscar Brand
Produced by Jac Holzman

Captain Kidd; Charles Guiteau; Jesse James; Billy The Kid; Quantrell; Robin Hood And The Bold Pedlar; Bold Turpin; Pretty Boy Floyd; Jim Fisk

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Elektra EKL 24 [Mono] - 10-inch LP
Sin Songs - Pro and Con - Ed McCurdy
Produced by Jac Holzman

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Elektra EKL 108 [Mono]
Blood Booze 'n Bones - Ed McCurdy
Produced by Jac Holzman

Darlin' Cory; Josie; The Dublin Murder Ballad; Four Nights Drunk; Cowboy's Lament; Kentucky Moonshiner; No More Booze; Farewell To Grog; Portland County Jail; Banks Of The Ohio; John Hardy; The Pig And The Inebriate; Stackerlee; Lamkins; Yo Ho Ho; Lulu; The Drunkard's Doom

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Elektra EKL 110 [Mono] - Released in 1956
When Dalliance Was In Flower 1 - Ed McCurdy
Produced by Jac Holzman

Go Bring Me A Lass; The Trooper; A Young Man And A Maid; A Wanton Trick; There Was A Knight; Two Maidens Went Milking One Day; A Lusty Young Smith; Tom And Doll; A Riddle; A Maiden Did A-Bathing Go; The Jolly Tinker; Old Fumbler; The Three Travelers; Kitt Hath Lost Her Key; To A Lady; The Four Able Physicians; Sylvia The Fair

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Elektra EKL 160 [Mono] EKS 7160 [Stereo]
When Dalliance Was In Flower 3 - Ed McCurdy
Produced by Jac Holzman

Yeoman Of Kent; Shepherd; Old Brass To Mend; Celia; As I Walked In The Woods; Merry Wedding; Whilst Alexis Lay Prest; How Happy's The Miller; Hive Of Bees; Sound Of Country Lass; She Rose To Let Me In; Country Wake; Pollycock; When Flora Had On Her New Gown; Spinning Wheel; End



Elektra Discography 1959-1967



Elektra EKL 170 [Mono] - Released in 1959
Son Of Dalliance - Ed McCurdy
Produced by Jac Holzman

A Petition; Character Of A Mistress; Rapture; The Miller's Daughter; I Dreamed My Love; The Presbyterian Wedding; A Lamentable Case; The Way To Win Her; She Lay All Naked; A Pleasant Ballad; A Maiden's Delight; The Vine; Three Birds; The Fornicator

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Elektra EKL 205 [Mono] - Released in 1961
A Treasure Chest Of American Folk Song - Ed McCurdy
Produced by Jac Holzman

Who Is The Man; The Two Sisters; Yorkshire Bite; Frog's Courtship; Gypsy Laddie; Andrew Bardine; Lord Randal; The Paw Paw Patch; In Old Virginny; Boll Weevil; Hunters Of Kentucky; Derby Ram; The Squirrel; Black Is The Color; Rock About, My Saro Jane; Down In The Valley; Across The Western Ocean; Paddy Works On The Railway; My Pretty Little Pink; Lane County Bachelor; Careless Love; Bury Me Beneath The Willow; Gently, Fair Jenny; Simple Gifts; Wondrous Love; John Brown's Body; There Was An Old Soldier; Jesse James; The Cowboy's Dream; Roving Gambler; James Whaland; Clinch Mountain; Willy The Weeper; Hard Travelin'

Note: A double album (Bonus Pak). This solidly-packed double splits four areas of American folk tradition across the four sides: New England, The South, O Pioneers! and A Song for Occupations.

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Elektra EKL 213 [Mono]
The Best Of Dalliance - Ed McCurdy
Produced by Jac Holzman

Go Bring Me A Lass; Lusty Young Smith; The Trooper; When Flora Had On Her New Gown; Uptails All; The Shepherd; Four Able Physicians; Hive Of Bees; Yeoman Of Kent; Lady So Frolic And Gay; A Riddle; Three Birds; Sylvia The Fair; Playhouse Saint; Sound Country Lass; Young Man And A Maid; Jolly Tinker; A Wanton Trick; Jolly Miller; She Lay All Naked; A Trades Man; A Petition; Tottingham Frolic; Character Of A Mistress; The Vine; Country Wake; Pleasant Ballad; The End

Note: 'Bonus Pak' double album.

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Elektra EKL 9001 [Mono] - Released in 1964
The Folk Box - Various Artists
Produced by Jac Holzman

Cynthia Gooding: Greensleeves; Ian Campbell Folk Group: Down In The Coal Mine; Ewan MacColl: Geordie; Irish Ramblers: Whiskey In The Jar; Susan Reed: Irish Famine Song; Ed McCurdy: Gypsy Laddie; Jean Redpath: Tae The Weavers; African Traveling Song; Navajo Night Chant; Gene Bluestein: Skada At America; New Lost City Ramblers: When First Unto This Country; Susan Reed: Springfield Mountain; Ed McCurdy: Good Old Colony Times; Oscar Brand: Jefferson And Liberty; Pete Seeger: Darling Cory; Jack Elliott: Jesse James; Leadbelly: Rock Island Line; Woody Guthrie: Oregon Trail; Erik Darling: Swannanda Tunnel; Ed McCurdy: Kentucky Moonshine; Alabama School Children: Green Green Rocky Road; Leadbelly: Pick A Bale Of Cotton; Seafarers Chorus: Haul On The Bowline; Pete Seeger: Paddy Works On The Railway; Harry Jackson: I Ride An Old Paint; Cisco Houston: Zebra Dun; Horace Sprott: Field Holler; Koerner, Ray & Glover: Linin' Track; Willer Turner: Now Your Man Done Gone; Josh White: Timber; Negro Prisoners: Grizzly Bear; Marilyn Child & Glenn Yarbrough: Mary Had A Baby; Josh White: Jesus Gonna Make Up My Dyin Bed; Blind Willie Johnson: Dark Was The Night; Judy Collins: Twelve Gates To The City; Theodore Bikel: A Zemer; Glenn Yarbrough: Wayfaring Stranger; Ed McCurdy: Simple Gifts; Leadbelly: Meetin' At The Building; Bob Gibson: You Can Tell the World; Christian Tabernacle Church: Down By The Riverside Willy Clancy: Sligo Reel/Mountain Road; Eric Weissberg: Old Joe Clark; Clarence Ashley: Coo Coo Bird; Tom Paley: Shady Grove; Eric Weissberg & Marshall Brickman: Flop-Eared Mule; Jean Ritchie: Nottamun Town; Doc Watson and others: Amazing Grace; Doc Watson: Cripple Creek; The Dillards: Pretty Polly; George Pegram & Walter Parham: Yellow Rose Of Texas; Dián And The Greenbriar Boys: Green Corn; The Dillards: Old Man At The Mill; Sonny Terry: Lost John; Big Bill Broonzy: I Wonder When I'll Get To Be Called a Man; Leadbelly: Black Snake Moan; Blind Lemon Jefferson: See That My Grave Is Kept Clean; Hally Wood: House Of The Rising Sun; Mark Spoelstra: France Blues; New Lost City Ramblers: Carter Blues; Dave Ray: Slappin' On My Black Cat Bone; Dave Van Ronk: Don't Leave Me Here; Josh White: Southern Exposure; Ed McCurdy: John Brown's Body; Frank Warner: Virginia's Bloody Soil; Theodore Bikel: Two Brothers; Judy Collins: Masters of War; Theodore Bikel: Blow The Candles Out; Jean Redpath: Love Is Teasin'; Clarence Ashley and Doc Watson: Sally Ann; Jean Ritchie: Little Devils; Limeliters: The Hammer Song; Woody Guthrie: This Land Is Your Land; Pete Seeger, Almanac Singer With Audience: Which Side Are You On?; New Lost City Ramblers: No Depression In Heaven; Woody Guthrie: Talking Dust Bowl; Big Bill Broonzy: Black Brown And White; Oscar Brand: Talking Atomic Blues; Hamilton Camp: Girl From The North Country; Judy Collins: The Dove; Tom Paxton: High Sheriff Of Hazard; Phil Ochs: The Thresher; Pete Seeger: We Shall Overcome

Side 1: Songs Of The Old World And Migration To The New
Side 2: Settling, Exploring And Growing In The New World
Side 3: Work Songs
Side 4: Many Worshippers, One God
Side 5: Country Music - From Ballads To Bluegrass
Side 6: Nothing But The Blues
Side 7: Of War, Love And Hope
Side 8: Broadsides, Topical Songs, Protest Songs

Note: A boxed set of 4 discs with a 48 page booklet , put together by Robert Shelton with the assistance of Folkways Records. This box was issued in the UK as EUK 2512/2.

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Elektra 60402 [Stereo] - Released in 1985
O Love Is Teasin' (Anglo-American Mountain Balladry) - Various Artists
Edited by Lenny Kaye

Tom Paley: Shady Grove; Tom Paley: The Miller's Song; Tom Paley: Old Grey Goose; Tom Paley: Jackaro; Tom Paley: The Girl On The Greenbriar Shore; Tom Paley: Little Maggie; Tom Paley: Banjo Pieces; Tom Paley: Pretty Polly Susan Reed: Barbara Allen; Ed McCurdy: The Two Sisters; Cynthia Gooding: The Cherry Tree Carol; Ellen Stekert: Froggie Went A-Courtin'; Lori Holland: Gypsy Lover; Susan Reed: The Golden Vanity; Ed McCurdy: Lord Randal; Shep Ginandes: The Wife of Usher's Well; Susan Reed: The Foggy Dew; Ed McCurdy: The Derby Ram; Myra Ross: John Riley; Cynthia Gooding: The Lass From The Low Countrie; Peggy Seeger: Love Henry (Young Hunting); George Pegram: Little Old Log Cabin In The Lane; Susan Reed: At The Foot Of Yonders Mountain; Jean Ritchie: O Love Is Teasin'; Jean Ritchie: Black Is The Color; Jean Ritchie: Jubilee; Jean Ritchie: Old Virginny; Jean Ritchie: Skin And Bones; Jean Ritchie: The Little Devils; Jean Ritchie: The Cuckoo Version I; Jean Ritchie: The Cuckoo Version II; Jean Ritchie: Cedar Swamp; Jean Ritchie: Nottamun Town; Jean Ritchie: The Hangman's Song; Jean Ritchie: Sister Phoebe; Jean Ritchie: False Sir John; Jean Ritchie: Dulcimer Pieces: Shady Grove, Old King Cole, Skip To My Lou; Jean Ritchie: Batchelor's Hall; Jean Ritchie: One Morning In May; Jean Ritchie: Jemmy Taylor-O; Jean Ritchie: Killy Krankie; Jean Ritchie: Old Woman And Pig; Jean Ritchie: Hush Little Baby; Jean Ritchie: The Little Sparrow; Jean Ritchie: Goin' To Boston; Oscar Brand And Jean Ritchie: Hey Little Boy; Oscar Brand and Jean Ritchie: I Wonder When I Shall be Married; Oscar Brand and Jean Ritchie: The Keys Of Canterbury; Oscar Brand and Jean Ritchie: Young Man Who Wouldn't Hoe Corn (A); Oscar Brand and Jean Ritchie: Hog Drivers; Oscar Brand and Jean Ritchie: Lazy John; Oscar Brand and Jean Ritchie: My Good Old Man; Oscar Brand and Jean Ritchie: Paper of Pins; Oscar Brand and Jean Ritchie: No Sir

Note: Boxed set of 3 LPs in series 'The Jac Holzman Years' with booklet.

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Elektra SMP 2 [Mono] - Released in 1956
Folk Festival - Various Artists

Ed McCurdy: Josie; Jean Léon Destiné and Ensemble: Declaration Paysanne; Clarence Cooper: Erie Canal; Cynthia Gooding and Theodore Bikel: Coplas; Ed McCurdy: Robin Hood And The Bold Pedlar; Theodore Bikel: Ptsach Bazemer; Jean Ritchie: Nottamun Town; Cynthia Gooding: Bella Regazza; Josh White: John Henry; Los Gitanillos De Cadiz: Sevillanas; Susan Reed: Must I Go Bound; Theodore Bikel: Mangwani Mpulele; Alan Arkin: Crawdad Song; Suzanne Robert: Le Moulin De La Galette; Cynthia Gooding: The Derby Ram; Gordon Heath and Lee Payant: Au Clair De La Lune; Jean Ritchie and Oscar Brand: Keys Of Canterbury; The Funmakers: My Ain House

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Elektra SMP 3 [Mono] - Released in 1957
Folk Pops 'n Jazz Sampler - Various Artists
Edited by Jac Holzman

Josh White: Midnight Special; Cynthia Gooding: Lass Of The Low Countrie; Clarence Cooper: Nine Hundred Miles; Ed McCurdy: Sacramento; Sabicas: Soleares; Susan Reed: Black Is The Color; Glenn Yarbrough: Hard, Ain't It Hard; The New York Jazz Quartet: Coo Coo Calypso; Four French Horns: Come Rain Or Come Shine; The Jazz Messengers: Ugh!; Norene Tate: The Wail; The New York Jazz Quartet: Blue Chips; Teddy Charles: Skylark

Note: The actual order of the three musical categories varied depending on whether you looked at the front, back or spine of the cover. In the sleeve note Jac explains how the origins of folk and jazz are similar and that the apparently diverse album is, in fact, homogenous.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 06:08 PM

Stilly River Sage, in your extract from the Elektra discography, you missed this one:

Elektra EKL 112 [Mono]
Songs Of The Old West - Ed McCurdy
Produced by Jac Holzman

No date is given, but the site says EKL 110 was released in 1956 and EKL 113 in 1957 (and no EKL 111 is listed).

I wish I could find a similar discography for the Tradition label. As we've established, the Cowboy Songs CD is based on the Tradition LP, Song of the West, not on the Elektra LP, Songs of the Old West.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 06:31 PM

I have the Elektra album (EKL112) in front of me and it is copyright 1957.   Unfortunately my LP for Song of the West has no such copyright.

The Cowboy Songs CD IS the Song of the West LP with the same track list and the same order. Aside from changing the name of the LP, the CD also has a different name for the last cut. The CD calls it "The Texas Song" where the LP calls it "Old Texas".


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Stewie
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 07:26 PM

Ron, where on your EKL112 is that copyright date given? I cannot find any date anywhere on my copy.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 08:36 PM

On the back, lower left hand corner - Copyright 1957 by the Elektra Corporation, 361 Bleecker Street, New York City


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Stewie
Date: 25 Nov 04 - 12:04 AM

Thanks, Ron. For some reason, my copy does not have that. The lower left-hand corner only has some technical data and 'Production Superviser: Jac Holzman'. In the right-hand corner, it has 'Elektra Corporation', but a different address: ' 116 West 14th Street, NY, 3, NY'. Strange!

Cheers, Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Acme
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 11:19 AM

I had a big mishmash of text that I cut and pasted from--thanks for catching that missed one. Funny, since that was the one I was originally looking for. (Kind of like when I go to the grocery store and get everything except the item I wanted?) I missed mentioning a couple of my McCurdy albums also, such as his Children's Songs and Spoken Arts Intro to American Folk songs (it's on my list, but not handy to pull out to look at).

I tried all sorts of searches for a Tradition discography, but the word is too commonplace, to start with, and even with the modifiers in an advanced search, nothing came forward. The University of Oregon has a large collection, and it might be worth a call to one of their savvy librarians to just ask the question. I wasn't able to locate any finding aids for a particular Company, only for specific Performers. And there didn't appear to be a McCurdy finding aid. There was a hit that there is some information available in the subscription databases that they make available (after logon) to students and faculty. I'll have to see if we have those databases at the university where I work. We have a music program and they might have requested and/or funded these databases.

I have a funny little album around here somewhere, I haven't looked at in ages, with the named group on side A, and isn't McCurdy on side B? Does that ring a bell with anyone?

SRS


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Acme
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 11:21 AM

Just as I hit "submit" I found it--the Weavers Best of the Weavers has McCurdy on the flip side. It's on Spinorama.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 12:23 PM

As I mentioned earlier SRS, many of these recordings were re-packaged by labels such as "Spinorama".   My version of Josh White/Ed McCurdy is similar to your Weavers/McCurdy LP.    I have a couple of Ed McCurdy albums that feature "generic" folksingers on the cover. One is a guy strumming his guitar that has no resemblance to Ed at all.   I am guessing that LP's of this type were the bargain-bin LP's of the day. The original label would sell the rights for a quick buck with nothing going to the artist.

Your mention of the wonderful Introduction to Folk Music LP reminded me of another interesting album that Ed recorded of Robin Hood songs. A narrator told the story of Robin Hood with Ed contributing the songs.   I also "had" a 45 LP of Ed singing a song about a "spaceboy". which had to have been recorded during the early days of the space race. It was a cheesy song with an orchestra behind him, an attempt at a pop tune. Unfortunately the 45 cracked and I can no longer play it.

Ed certainly had an interesting recording career!


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Acme
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 12:54 PM

I'll keep this in mind next time the Oak Tree/Robin Hood thread raises its interesting (but somewhat argumentative) head.

I've been remodeling a house I bought a little over 2 1/2 years ago, and with every sweep of moved furniture, rearranged boxes, streamlined shelving, I get closer to being able to unpack the 13 or more boxes I have on shelving in the hall that contains my Dad's music collection. The LPs have been out for a while, and as I mentioned above, I have cassette recordings of some that I wasn't able to hold onto, but I photocopied all of the liner notes and my Dad's marginalia. He learned a lot of McCurdy's songs, along with Dyer-Bennett and Burl Ives when he was first starting out.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Abby Sale
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 02:59 PM

Stilly River Sage; I have that McCurdy/Lomax CD from Legacy records. _Cowboy Songs of the Old West_. It's an unauthorized copy of the two LPs. Good material, nevertheless.

The McCurdy part is from_Song of the West_, Tradition "Everest" label #2061. Likely a reissue of the TLP2061 as indicated above. I'v approx dated that as 1957, just using the sequence within known Tradition LP dates. Has the same Palmer note as above. It claims to be Stereo but more likely "rechannelled."   I don't think mid-50's Tradition LPs were stereo. But I wouldn't bet much.

Of the source I am sure. Legacy was kind enough to mail me a xerox of the jacket of the LP they used.

BTW, the Lomax part is Alan Lomax: Texas Folk Songs, Tradition LP       1958

Whoops! I take much of that back. You have a different CD from the Legacy one. None of the Lomax songs are the same. The McCurdy ones are the same but note the LP in question had 13 tracks and neither your CD nor mine use all of them.

If it may be of any help, I also have the following McCurdy stuff.

        The Ballad Record                       Riverside LP        1955
        When Dalliance Was In Flower v.2        Elektra        LP        1957
        When Dalliance Was In Flower v.3        Elektra        LP        1959
        Son of Dalliance                       duplicated tape
        The Folk Singer                        Seeck LP        1957
        Treasure Chest of Amer Folk Song        Elektra        2LPs        1961

Lastly, I taped him in a full set with reasonable equipment Live at the 2nd Fret (Philadelphia) in 1960. McCurdy was one of my heroes and I am _very_ pleased that I made his acquaintance 1996, 4 years before his death and we spoke a number of times on the phone. He was unable to type well by then and he much enjoyed the calls and the amazing, to him, knowledge that he was still remembered and spoken of in places like this one.

I sent him the original tape and it was a very good set. He gave it to his son, who had something to do with the record business, to possibly issue as a "never-before" CD. I haven't heard anything further, though.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Acme
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 12:44 AM

Abby, that would be an interesting production if it came out. Thanks for the information--you were lucky to make his acquaintance. You say he was unable to type well by then--I don't know much at all about his personal history. Did he have arthritis? I seem to recall that being an issue early on?

SRS


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 01:45 AM

Ed, as he described in the interview I did with him, had health problems going back to the 1960's. He was an alcholic and he dabbled in other substances, but he recovered. At one point during the 1960's he suffered from a paralysis, which he also recovered from, but was unexplained.   Later in life he had a heart problems which resulted in a bypass operation.   He died of congestive heart failure.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 03 Jun 12 - 08:21 PM

Has anyone found any information about the date and source of McCurdy's SONG OF THE WEST / COWBOY SONGS album ??

I've put together the grid (below) showing the various releases
known to me. Only the Tradition Everest LP and Tradition Rykodisc
CD have all the songs.

Note: this is NOT Elektra EKL-112 SONGS OF THE OLD WEST.

Thanks!
Best wishes, Thomas.

A: TRADITION(Everest) TR 2061   SONG OF THE WEST    LP 1968
    [Billboard Mar 23, 1968 New Releases]
    liner notes by Lee Palmer
   ASTOR (Australia) GGS 908    SONG OF THE WEST    LP xxxx      
    [A Tradition USA Recording; Tradition/Everest]

B: TRADITION(Rykodisc) TCD 1025 COWBOY SONGS         CD 1996
    liner notes by John King, reissue produced by David Greenberg

C: LEGACY International(Pismo Beach, CA) CD 392      CD xxxx

D: MUSIC DIGITAL(UK,Delta) CD 6338                   CD 2002
                                 COWBOY SONGS OF THE OLD WEST
   
E: ESSENTIAL MEDIA/AMAZON 8 94231 27822 8            CDr2011
                                 COWBOY SONGS OF THE OLD WEST

Ed McCurdy, vocal.
Erik Darling, banjo, guitar, backing vocal.
unknown harmonica.

A: B: C: D: E:
A1 01 13 10 13 When the work's all done this fall
A2 02 14 11 14 The cowboy
A3 03 15 12 15 Jack o'diamonds
A4 04 16 13 16 Utah Carroll [some as "Utah"]
A5 05 17 14 17 Punchin' the dough
A6 06 18 15 18 Red River Valley
A7 07 .. .. .. My gal on the Rio Grande
B1 08 19 16 19 Along side of the Santa Fe Trail
B2 09 .. .. .. The days of '49
B3 10 20 17 20 Strawberry roan
B4 11 .. .. .. Poor lonesome cowboy
B5 12 .. .. .. When the curtains of night
B6 13 .. .. .. The Texas Song ["Old Texas" on LP]


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 18 - 08:56 PM

Have we resolved that Tradition/Everest 2061 is a reprint of an earlier LP? (I gather that's your implication when you date it 1968.)


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 12:28 AM

I suspect that Tradition(Everest) 2061 contains a session recorded
by Tradition Records (Clancy Bros., New York) in the late 1950's,
but NOT previously released. Everest bought the Tradition label
in 1966.
So far, I know of NO documentation becoming public to confirm this.
One could also speculate that EVEREST recorded the album sometime
in the 1960's.

Someone posted that their company had acquired the Everest stable of
labels, and was working on making them available. If they obtained
corporate records, there probably is documentation of when the session was recorded. Can anyone let us know who claims ownership, and provide a contact for them ???

Another possible source would be finding recording ledgers of CUE
Studio which recorded a lot of the original TRADITION label's records. Anyone have contact for CUE ???

Sadly (IMO), few CD's are being produced now since the current technology favors dounloads rather than physical product.

Hope someone will find an answer to this mystery.

Best wishes, Thomas.


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Subject: RE: Ed McCurdy, Cowboy Songs - year?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 01:11 AM

Really interesting. Thanks for the work you've done figuring this out.


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