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DT lyrics without tunes (A)
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Across the Blue Mountain [arr Robin & Linda Williams /traditional] (Lyrics from the singing of Sandy and Caroline Paton)
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DT lyrics without tunes (A) In Mudcat MIDIs: Across the Blue Mountain [arr Robin & Linda Williams /traditional] (Lyrics from the singing of Sandy and Caroline Paton) |
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Subject: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: Wolfgang Hell Date: 19 Nov 98 - 11:56 AM There's a demand for a list of songs without tunes in the DT so we can start adding not only lyrics but also tunes. I was about to create a list of all these songs. If you see how long this list is for the letter A alone you know why I stopped in midwork. Want to continue? Follow Dick's advice from the How to search for songs thread: Put {NOT} [*CLICK HERE*] in the search window and you find them. So here are the letter A songs without tunes. Wolfgang 1) ROADS OF KILDARE 2) 16TH AVENUE 3) THE 23RD OF FEBRUARY 4) 50,000 NAMES 5) 9420 WOGAN TERRACE 6) A-CREEPIN' AND A-CRAWLIN' 7) A-GATHERING NUTS 8) A-ROVING ON A WINTER'S NIGHT 9) ABE SAMMON'S APPLEJACK 10) ABE SAMMON'S APPLEJACK (2) 11) ABOUT THE BUSH, WILLY 12) ABRAHAM'S DAUGHTER 13) ABRAHAM'S DAUGHTER 14) ACAPULCO GOLD 15) ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE 16) ACKABAKA 17) ACROSS THE BLUE MOUNTAIN 18) ADALIDA 19) ADDICTED TO STRESS 20) THE ADVERTISER'S IMAGE 21) ADVICE FOR VALENTINE'S DAY 22) THE AFRICAN TRADE 23) AFTER HOURS 24) AGE OF AQUARIUS 25) AILEEN A ROON 7 26) AILEEN AROON 27) AILEEN AROON 3 28) AILEEN AROON 4 29) AILENN DUINN 30) AIN'T IT A SHAME 31) AIN'T IT GREAT TO BE CRAZY 32) AIN'T LEAVIN' YOUR LOVE 33) AIN'T NOBODY'S BUSINESS IF I DO 34) AIN'T YOU GOT A RIGHT 35) AIRPLANE BLUES 36) ALABAM' 37) THE ALBATROSS 38) ALBERT AND THE LION 39) ALBERT THE ALLIGATOR 40) ALBERT'S RETURN 41) ALBERT'S REUNION 42) ALBERTA 43) ALBERTA BOUND 44) ALCOHOLIC BABY 45) ALI BOOGIE 46) ALICE'S RESTAURANT 47) ALL AMONG THE BARLEY 48) ALL HAIL THE POWER OF JESUS' NAME 49) ALL MY LIFE'S A CIRCLE 50) ALL NIGHT CAFE 51) ALL NIGHT LONG 52) ALL THE GOOD TIMES ARE PAST AND GONE 53) ALL THE TIMES YOU'RE GONE 54) ALL THE WHILE 55) ALL THIS USELESS BEAUTY 56) ALL UNDER THE LEAVES 57) ALL USED UP 58) ALL-E-OXEN FREE 59) ALLA MARI 60) ALLISON GROSS 61) ALLSOULS NIGHT 62) ALMA 63) ALMA MATER (CORNELL) 64) ALPHA PHI OMEGA TOAST 65) ALTEH BUCK 66) ALZHEIMER'S 67) AMANDA 68) AMANECER (Daybreak ) 69) AMBLETOWN (HOME DEARIE HOME) 70) AMELIA EARHART'S LAST FLIGHT 71) AMERICA 72) AMERICAN PIE 73) AMERICAN PIE--PROGRAM NOTES 74) AMERICAN TUNE 75) AMHERST SONG 76) AMIE 77) AMONG MY SOUVENIRS 78) ANAC CUAIN 79) ANACREONTIC SONG (2) 80) ANCHORS AWEIGH 81) ANCHORS AWEIGH (2) 82) AND EVERY ONE 83) AND SO IT GOES 84) AND THE MOON SHONE BRIGHT AND CLEARLY.. 85) AND WHEN I DIE 86) ANDREW CARR 87) ANDROMEDA THE BEAUTIFUL 88) ANDY'S GONE WITH CATTLE 89) THE ANFORD-WRIGHT 90) ANGEL BAND 91) ANGEL GABRIEL 92) ANGELINA BAKER 93) ANGUS HEMPSTEAD 94) ANGUS MCTAVISH MCTARVISH DUNDEE 95) THE ANIMAL FAIR 96) ANN O' HETHERSGILL 97) ANNE BOLEYN 98) ANOTHER DAY IN THE LIFE 99) ANOTHER LULLABY 100) ANOTHER MOTHER FOR PEACE 101) THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER 102) ANTI-CAROL 103) ANY DAY NOW 104) ANY OTHER TIME 105) APPALACHIAN MOUNTAIN BOOGIE BLUES 106) APPLE TREE WASSAIL 107) APRIL, COME SHE WILL 108) AQABA 109) AR FA LA LA LOW 110) ARBUTUS 111) ARE YOU TIRED OF ME MY DARLING 112) THE ARIZONA KILLER 113) ARKANSAS HARD LUCK BLUES 114) ARKANSAS TRAVELER (2) 115) ARKY'S TOAST 116) AROUND ME BRAVE BOYS 117) AROUSE! 118) ARTHUR McBRIDE AND THE SERGEANT 119) ARTIFICIAL MEANS 120) AS A CHILD 121) AS I GO RAMBLING ROUND 122) AS I ROVED OUT (2) 123) AS I WENT BY THE LUCKENBOOTHS 124) AS TIME GOES BY 125) THE ASCAP SONG 126) ASHES OF LOVE 127) THE ASHLAND TRAGEDY 128) THE ASHLAND TRAGEDY (II) 129) ASHOKAN FAREWELL 130) THE ASHTON MASHERS 131) ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH 132) AT IT AGAIN 133) AT MY WINDOW 134) AT THE BAR 135) AT THE ZOO 136) AT TWENTY-ONE 137) AU CLAIR DE LA LUNE 138) AU CLAIRE DE LA LUNE (2) 139) AUCHINLECH 140) THE AUCTIONEER 141) AULD LANG SYNE (4) 142) AULD MAN TAE THE OAK TREE 143) AULD MAN'S MARE'S DEID 144) AULD MATRONS 145) AUNT SUE 146) AUTOMATION 147) AUTOMATION SONG 148) AUTOMOBILE BLUES 149) AUTUMN TO MAY 150) THE AUTUMNAL RECRUDESCENCE OF THE AMATORY URGE 151) AVATAR 152) AWAY DOWN EAST 153) AZEKATARLE |
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: Bruce O. Date: 19 Nov 98 - 03:00 PM To Anacreon in Heaven and The Anacreontic Song in DT are the same. I gave an ABC of the tune on a recent thread.
"The Auld Man's Mare's dead", song and tune, is also in SMM #485. Song alone is in 'The Scots Nightingale', p. 337, 1779. See Country Dances 2 on my website for many later copies of "Andrew Carr/Kerr/ Carey".
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: MMario Date: 08 Feb 00 - 03:14 PM updates! Of the above list... I have found posted in various thread... Age of Aquarius Auld Lang Syne Amelia Earhart's Last Flight (Thread 10323) Andrew Carr (see above) Angelina Baker to the list of songs without tunes has been added An Acre of Land Across the Line Ain't we Crazy Air Falallalo Aldonza's song Alison and Willie Amber tresses Ambletown Anchored in Love Any old Iron The Archaelologist Song Are you lonesome tonight As the black billy boils
If Anyone has a midi or abc of these they can be posted... midis to the midi site and or via miditext, abc's can be posted to the forum. If anyone has gif's or bmp's or jpg's of any of these I volunteer to transcribe...you can e-mail them to me. (You can get my address from the resource site.) MMario |
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: John in Brisbane Date: 08 Feb 00 - 05:11 PM Wolfgang, thank you for starting this thread. At various times I have taken the DT data and sorted it using Excel to highlight songs without tunes and also to display them alongside songs of the same(ish) name which have a tune. I have provided this to a couple of people (includibg Alison who worked her way through from A and has submitted hundreds of them) and would gladly do the same again. I couls of course ask Alan or Max or Joe to put it up somewhere as a text or spreadsheet file at Mudcat if anyone thought this may be of value.
As MMario points out a portion of the A's (For example) have already been posted to the Forum, and it would probably make sense to compile a list of these. In my own case I have posted somewhere around 280 tunes (I think) but I don't have a comprehensive list. When I do a Super Search for some of the red text in Alan's Miditext program the authorship of the postings are in many cases are attributed to "n/a". This isn't very helpful in back-tracking, so I'm at a bit of a standstill. Joe has also contributed scads of tunes but I suspect that he is much more organised than I am in terms of record keeping. In any event, thanks to Alan's program we have probably submitted 700 odd tunes in the last 18 months and a list of these is needed.
Re Bruce O's posting. I need your clarification here please. Is there anyway that I/we can assist in getting your huge collection of abc's associated with the relevant songs from the DT, assuming that this is your wish?
MMario, your generous offer is noted. How many hundred .bmp's can I mail to you? **BG** It's still a little early to get too excited about this but I've been working away in background mode to see if we could co-opt more Mudcat volunteers to notate some tunes using SharpEye scanning/notation program. Putting it simply if we were to create an inbox of suitable quality .bmp's then a wider variety of volunteers MAY be coerced to do the notation and post the tunbes to MUDI. I need a bit more time on this but would be happy to discuss via johninbrisbane@hotbot.com
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: MMario Date: 08 Feb 00 - 05:27 PM John - I have a two meg limit on my mailbox *grin* seriously - I would be happy to start transcribing some of the tunes if you want to send me some. my schedule is erratic, but there are days I could get several done while waiting for phone calls and tied to my desk! and if you would e-mail me the list, I'll spend the time I would have spent deriving it in search and transcription! Thanks! MMario oops! I missed The auld man's mare's dead in bruce's post above!
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: katlaughing Date: 08 Feb 00 - 05:32 PM Please explain this to those of us who've never been a part of such. I understand about the search thing, but newbies might not. Then, please explain the rest of the process, so that we can help as able. Thanks, sometimes mud is thicker than water! kat |
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 08 Feb 00 - 09:39 PM I'm not at all sure where the best place to post additional information or links might be, since some of it has obviously been lurking about here, on various threads, for a year or more, and presumably hasn't so far been incorporated into the database because it's just too big a job to keep track of everything; but so far as Au Clair de la Lune goes, the tune may be found on this thread and sets of French lyrics more complete than those given on the DT are here and here. The third verse that I have is just slightly different: Au clair de la lune, L'aimable Lubin Frappa chez la Brune, Qui répond soudain: Qui frappe d'la sorte?" Lui dit a son tour, "Ouvre-moi ta porte, Pour le dieu d'amour!" According to Henri Davenson, the song originates from around 1790; he considers the ascription of the song to known writers to be without foundation, and traces the melody back to (at least) a contredanse of 1775-80, called La Rémouleuse. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: GUEST Date: 08 Feb 00 - 10:04 PM
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: MMario Date: 08 Feb 00 - 10:10 PM yes, it's a lot of work, so the more 'catters can do for Dick and Susan the better, yes? |
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: John in Brisbane Date: 08 Feb 00 - 11:47 PM Kat, here'a bit of background for newer people..
We, indeed the whole world, are very grateful that we have a database of something like 8,000 songs which is available for on-line search here at the Mudcat, or alternatively in a form which can be down-loaded to be perused off line in the sanctity of your own abode.
People contribute the lyrics of new songs via the Mudcat Forum either because they feel like it or because someone has made a specific request. Dick Greenhaus and Susan from DT have the thankless and endless task of incorporating these into the formal database.This database is updated twice a year, nominally Fall and Spring (northern Hemisphere). Because of this mammoth task a number of songs don't make, but are always retrievable via a search of the forum postings.
Only about half of the songs in the database have tunes stored with them. If you locate a particular song in the online database you can play the tune via your PC soundcard by clicking on "CLICK HERE TO PLAY". (These files are MIDI files and typicazlly contain the melody line of the music only). Alternatively you can save the file on your computer to play it again at some time, or use one of the growing numbers of programs (some of which are Freeware) to print out simple sheet music of the melody line - no lyrics are printed.
In the downloaded version a simple proprietary tune player is included with the database software. While its usage is somewhat problematical it will play the songs that have tunes via the mini speaker on your PC. The songs which have tunes are characterised by two things. An asterisk * appears on the extreme right hand side of the title line in the search results and there will be a reference to the file containing the tune which has a file extension of ".ex_" - 99% of the time this will be ".exe". Hence you can search the database and find songs with or without tunes. Unfortunately the tune files cannot use the common MIDI software to play, print or edit the tunes.
Submission of a new song complete with music is a rare occurrence. Without dwelling on past practices the common approach is for a Mudcatter to create a MIDI file of the tune which is then made available via The Mudcat Midi site. The tune can then be played or printed at will by anyone with the right software. Typically new tunes are added to the forum quite some time after the initial song lyrics are posted.
Editorial from JiB! Currently there are less than a dozen regular tune posters. In my opinion there are lots more people who have the ability (or can acquire it quickly) to address the deficit of several thousand tunes, and have a lot of fun/satifaction doing it. I'll leave until a later time how we may achieve this. Thanks for reading. Regards, John
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: katlaughing Date: 09 Feb 00 - 12:20 AM Thanks, John. I know that will be helpful. I stil feel we need some clarification as to what exactly people who are new to this specific task of searching and noting which do not have tunes, need to do. Is there some kind of coordination so that people don't duplicate the work? Do we start a new thread for each letter of the alphabet? Etc. Sorry, if this sounds a little fuzzy, but I think it needs to be speleld out very clearly so that more people can share the task and know what to do. Thanks, kat |
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: alison Date: 09 Feb 00 - 01:02 AM Many of the songs listed above (which were orignally done as MIDItxt)... have been moved into Mudcat MIDIs I know I started to work through the songs that didn't have tunes and got as far as "d" (I think).. as well as adding others that I knew... so all of the tunes I have done are at Mudcat MIDIs waiting to be harvested by Dick whenever he wants to.... Many of John's MIDI transcriptions are there too.. and other tunes composed or submitted by other Mudcatters... Barry and Leslie's sites have heaps of tunes too..... Alan of Oz set this one up especially so that people wouldn't have to "translate" the red writing of MIDItxt which you used to have to do..... you won't have seen much of the red writing recently since it was superceded by Mudcat MIDIs. If you go to the Mudcat MIDIs - site it will give you instructions on what to do... and please check there for tunes which are not in the DT before you redo something that may have been done before. You can e-mail MIDIs, GIFs etc. to alan or I (addresses at the site) and we will put them on.... or scan or snail mail me music and I will make the MIDIs and put them on the site for you.... then we put a link into the appropriate thread to say that the tune is available. If people want to create MIDIs... great.... just make sure they haven't been done before, and then send them to us so we can get them posted in the appropriate place until they make their way into the forum.. Thanks slainte alison
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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A) From: Susan of DT Date: 09 Feb 00 - 07:14 AM We would LOVE to have tunes to more of the songs in the Digital Tradition. There are several reasons for the scarcity of tunes. (1) Obviously most of the songs posted here are posted without tunes. (2) Many of the songs contributed neither Dick nor I have ever heard. (3) We did not begin to add tunes to the database until a few years after starting to enter words. (4) It is not always clear whether a new version of a song shares the tune of another version we might have. (5)And, of course, there is the lack of time to track everything down. Every year or so I make a list of the songs without tunes and start listing which I have tunes for somewhere, but that never gets very far, so we can certainly use all your help with this. Work with Dick on this, since he is much better on tunes than I am.
-Joe Offer-
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