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DT lyrics without tunes (A)

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Across the Blue Mountain [arr Robin & Linda Williams /traditional] (Lyrics from the singing of Sandy and Caroline Paton)


Wolfgang Hell 19 Nov 98 - 11:56 AM
Bruce O. 19 Nov 98 - 03:00 PM
MMario 08 Feb 00 - 03:14 PM
John in Brisbane 08 Feb 00 - 05:11 PM
MMario 08 Feb 00 - 05:27 PM
katlaughing 08 Feb 00 - 05:32 PM
Malcolm Douglas 08 Feb 00 - 09:39 PM
GUEST 08 Feb 00 - 10:04 PM
MMario 08 Feb 00 - 10:10 PM
John in Brisbane 08 Feb 00 - 11:47 PM
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Subject: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: Wolfgang Hell
Date: 19 Nov 98 - 11:56 AM

There's a demand for a list of songs without tunes in the DT so we can start adding not only lyrics but also tunes. I was about to create a list of all these songs. If you see how long this list is for the letter A alone you know why I stopped in midwork. Want to continue? Follow Dick's advice from the How to search for songs thread: Put {NOT} [*CLICK HERE*] in the search window and you find them. So here are the letter A songs without tunes.

Wolfgang

1) ROADS OF KILDARE

2) 16TH AVENUE

3) THE 23RD OF FEBRUARY

4) 50,000 NAMES

5) 9420 WOGAN TERRACE

6) A-CREEPIN' AND A-CRAWLIN'

7) A-GATHERING NUTS

8) A-ROVING ON A WINTER'S NIGHT

9) ABE SAMMON'S APPLEJACK

10) ABE SAMMON'S APPLEJACK (2)

11) ABOUT THE BUSH, WILLY

12) ABRAHAM'S DAUGHTER

13) ABRAHAM'S DAUGHTER

14) ACAPULCO GOLD

15) ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE

16) ACKABAKA

17) ACROSS THE BLUE MOUNTAIN

18) ADALIDA

19) ADDICTED TO STRESS

20) THE ADVERTISER'S IMAGE

21) ADVICE FOR VALENTINE'S DAY

22) THE AFRICAN TRADE

23) AFTER HOURS

24) AGE OF AQUARIUS

25) AILEEN A ROON 7

26) AILEEN AROON

27) AILEEN AROON 3

28) AILEEN AROON 4

29) AILENN DUINN

30) AIN'T IT A SHAME

31) AIN'T IT GREAT TO BE CRAZY

32) AIN'T LEAVIN' YOUR LOVE

33) AIN'T NOBODY'S BUSINESS IF I DO

34) AIN'T YOU GOT A RIGHT

35) AIRPLANE BLUES

36) ALABAM'

37) THE ALBATROSS

38) ALBERT AND THE LION

39) ALBERT THE ALLIGATOR

40) ALBERT'S RETURN

41) ALBERT'S REUNION

42) ALBERTA

43) ALBERTA BOUND

44) ALCOHOLIC BABY

45) ALI BOOGIE

46) ALICE'S RESTAURANT

47) ALL AMONG THE BARLEY

48) ALL HAIL THE POWER OF JESUS' NAME

49) ALL MY LIFE'S A CIRCLE

50) ALL NIGHT CAFE

51) ALL NIGHT LONG

52) ALL THE GOOD TIMES ARE PAST AND GONE

53) ALL THE TIMES YOU'RE GONE

54) ALL THE WHILE

55) ALL THIS USELESS BEAUTY

56) ALL UNDER THE LEAVES

57) ALL USED UP

58) ALL-E-OXEN FREE

59) ALLA MARI

60) ALLISON GROSS

61) ALLSOULS NIGHT

62) ALMA

63) ALMA MATER (CORNELL)

64) ALPHA PHI OMEGA TOAST

65) ALTEH BUCK

66) ALZHEIMER'S

67) AMANDA

68) AMANECER (Daybreak )

69) AMBLETOWN (HOME DEARIE HOME)

70) AMELIA EARHART'S LAST FLIGHT

71) AMERICA

72) AMERICAN PIE

73) AMERICAN PIE--PROGRAM NOTES

74) AMERICAN TUNE

75) AMHERST SONG

76) AMIE

77) AMONG MY SOUVENIRS

78) ANAC CUAIN

79) ANACREONTIC SONG (2)

80) ANCHORS AWEIGH

81) ANCHORS AWEIGH (2)

82) AND EVERY ONE

83) AND SO IT GOES

84) AND THE MOON SHONE BRIGHT AND CLEARLY..

85) AND WHEN I DIE

86) ANDREW CARR

87) ANDROMEDA THE BEAUTIFUL

88) ANDY'S GONE WITH CATTLE

89) THE ANFORD-WRIGHT

90) ANGEL BAND

91) ANGEL GABRIEL

92) ANGELINA BAKER

93) ANGUS HEMPSTEAD

94) ANGUS MCTAVISH MCTARVISH DUNDEE

95) THE ANIMAL FAIR

96) ANN O' HETHERSGILL

97) ANNE BOLEYN

98) ANOTHER DAY IN THE LIFE

99) ANOTHER LULLABY

100) ANOTHER MOTHER FOR PEACE

101) THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER

102) ANTI-CAROL

103) ANY DAY NOW

104) ANY OTHER TIME

105) APPALACHIAN MOUNTAIN BOOGIE BLUES

106) APPLE TREE WASSAIL

107) APRIL, COME SHE WILL

108) AQABA

109) AR FA LA LA LOW

110) ARBUTUS

111) ARE YOU TIRED OF ME MY DARLING

112) THE ARIZONA KILLER

113) ARKANSAS HARD LUCK BLUES

114) ARKANSAS TRAVELER (2)

115) ARKY'S TOAST

116) AROUND ME BRAVE BOYS

117) AROUSE!

118) ARTHUR McBRIDE AND THE SERGEANT

119) ARTIFICIAL MEANS

120) AS A CHILD

121) AS I GO RAMBLING ROUND

122) AS I ROVED OUT (2)

123) AS I WENT BY THE LUCKENBOOTHS

124) AS TIME GOES BY

125) THE ASCAP SONG

126) ASHES OF LOVE

127) THE ASHLAND TRAGEDY

128) THE ASHLAND TRAGEDY (II)

129) ASHOKAN FAREWELL

130) THE ASHTON MASHERS

131) ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH

132) AT IT AGAIN

133) AT MY WINDOW

134) AT THE BAR

135) AT THE ZOO

136) AT TWENTY-ONE

137) AU CLAIR DE LA LUNE

138) AU CLAIRE DE LA LUNE (2)

139) AUCHINLECH

140) THE AUCTIONEER

141) AULD LANG SYNE (4)

142) AULD MAN TAE THE OAK TREE

143) AULD MAN'S MARE'S DEID

144) AULD MATRONS

145) AUNT SUE

146) AUTOMATION

147) AUTOMATION SONG

148) AUTOMOBILE BLUES

149) AUTUMN TO MAY

150) THE AUTUMNAL RECRUDESCENCE OF THE AMATORY URGE

151) AVATAR

152) AWAY DOWN EAST

153) AZEKATARLE


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: Bruce O.
Date: 19 Nov 98 - 03:00 PM

To Anacreon in Heaven and The Anacreontic Song in DT are the same. I gave an ABC of the tune on a recent thread.

"The Auld Man's Mare's dead", song and tune, is also in SMM #485. Song alone is in 'The Scots Nightingale', p. 337, 1779.

See Country Dances 2 on my website for many later copies of "Andrew Carr/Kerr/ Carey".

X:1
T:Andrew Carr
S:Daniel Wright coll'n without title page, c 1735
S:Wighton collection, Dundee.
Q:120
L:1/8
M:9/8
K:G
~B2d dBG dBG|~B2e efg~f2A|~B2d def efg|D2G GAB~A2G||\
g2d dBG eBG|g2e eae~f2{e/}d|gfe dBd def|g2G GAB~A2G|]

X:2
T:The Auld Man's Mare's Dead
S:Aird's 'A Selction of... Airs', II, p. 158 (1782)
Q:120
L:1/8
M:C
K:A dorian
z|EAA3/2B/A2g3/2e/|d/B3/2A3/2G/ G3/2A/BG|cBcd e3/2f/g3/2a/|\
g/e3/2g3/2B/A2A|:\
g|a3/2b/ag a3/2b/ae|g3/2a/b3/2a/ ge dg/a/|\
b3/2a/ge dega|g/e3/2g3/2B/A2A:|]


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: MMario
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 03:14 PM

updates! Of the above list...

I have found posted in various thread... Age of Aquarius Auld Lang Syne Amelia Earhart's Last Flight (Thread 10323) Andrew Carr (see above) Angelina Baker

to the list of songs without tunes has been added An Acre of Land Across the Line Ain't we Crazy Air Falallalo Aldonza's song Alison and Willie Amber tresses Ambletown Anchored in Love Any old Iron The Archaelologist Song Are you lonesome tonight As the black billy boils

If Anyone has a midi or abc of these they can be posted... midis to the midi site and or via miditext, abc's can be posted to the forum. If anyone has gif's or bmp's or jpg's of any of these I volunteer to transcribe...you can e-mail them to me. (You can get my address from the resource site.)

MMario


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 05:11 PM

Wolfgang, thank you for starting this thread. At various times I have taken the DT data and sorted it using Excel to highlight songs without tunes and also to display them alongside songs of the same(ish) name which have a tune. I have provided this to a couple of people (includibg Alison who worked her way through from A and has submitted hundreds of them) and would gladly do the same again. I couls of course ask Alan or Max or Joe to put it up somewhere as a text or spreadsheet file at Mudcat if anyone thought this may be of value.

As MMario points out a portion of the A's (For example) have already been posted to the Forum, and it would probably make sense to compile a list of these. In my own case I have posted somewhere around 280 tunes (I think) but I don't have a comprehensive list. When I do a Super Search for some of the red text in Alan's Miditext program the authorship of the postings are in many cases are attributed to "n/a". This isn't very helpful in back-tracking, so I'm at a bit of a standstill. Joe has also contributed scads of tunes but I suspect that he is much more organised than I am in terms of record keeping. In any event, thanks to Alan's program we have probably submitted 700 odd tunes in the last 18 months and a list of these is needed.

Re Bruce O's posting. I need your clarification here please. Is there anyway that I/we can assist in getting your huge collection of abc's associated with the relevant songs from the DT, assuming that this is your wish?

MMario, your generous offer is noted. How many hundred .bmp's can I mail to you? **BG** It's still a little early to get too excited about this but I've been working away in background mode to see if we could co-opt more Mudcat volunteers to notate some tunes using SharpEye scanning/notation program. Putting it simply if we were to create an inbox of suitable quality .bmp's then a wider variety of volunteers MAY be coerced to do the notation and post the tunbes to MUDI. I need a bit more time on this but would be happy to discuss via johninbrisbane@hotbot.com


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: MMario
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 05:27 PM

John - I have a two meg limit on my mailbox *grin*

seriously - I would be happy to start transcribing some of the tunes if you want to send me some. my schedule is erratic, but there are days I could get several done while waiting for phone calls and tied to my desk!

and if you would e-mail me the list, I'll spend the time I would have spent deriving it in search and transcription! Thanks!

MMario

oops! I missed The auld man's mare's dead in bruce's post above!


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 05:32 PM

Please explain this to those of us who've never been a part of such. I understand about the search thing, but newbies might not. Then, please explain the rest of the process, so that we can help as able. Thanks, sometimes mud is thicker than water! kat


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 09:39 PM

I'm not at all sure where the best place to post additional information or links might be, since some of it has obviously been lurking about here, on various threads, for a year or more, and presumably hasn't so far been incorporated into the database because it's just too big a job to keep track of everything; but so far as Au Clair de la Lune goes, the tune may be found on  this thread  and sets of French lyrics more complete than those given on the DT are    here     and   here.

The third verse that I have is just slightly different:

Au clair de la lune,
L'aimable Lubin
Frappa chez la Brune,
Qui répond soudain:
Qui frappe d'la sorte?"
Lui dit a son tour,
"Ouvre-moi ta porte,
Pour le dieu d'amour!"

According to Henri Davenson,  the song originates from around 1790; he considers the ascription of the song to known writers to be without foundation, and traces the melody back to (at least) a contredanse of 1775-80, called La Rémouleuse.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 10:04 PM

HELL!!! Wolfgang

We have a lot of work cut out for us.....

THANX


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: MMario
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 10:10 PM

yes, it's a lot of work, so the more 'catters can do for Dick and Susan the better, yes?


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 08 Feb 00 - 11:47 PM

Kat, here'a bit of background for newer people..

We, indeed the whole world, are very grateful that we have a database of something like 8,000 songs which is available for on-line search here at the Mudcat, or alternatively in a form which can be down-loaded to be perused off line in the sanctity of your own abode.

People contribute the lyrics of new songs via the Mudcat Forum either because they feel like it or because someone has made a specific request. Dick Greenhaus and Susan from DT have the thankless and endless task of incorporating these into the formal database.This database is updated twice a year, nominally Fall and Spring (northern Hemisphere). Because of this mammoth task a number of songs don't make, but are always retrievable via a search of the forum postings.

Only about half of the songs in the database have tunes stored with them. If you locate a particular song in the online database you can play the tune via your PC soundcard by clicking on "CLICK HERE TO PLAY". (These files are MIDI files and typicazlly contain the melody line of the music only). Alternatively you can save the file on your computer to play it again at some time, or use one of the growing numbers of programs (some of which are Freeware) to print out simple sheet music of the melody line - no lyrics are printed.

In the downloaded version a simple proprietary tune player is included with the database software. While its usage is somewhat problematical it will play the songs that have tunes via the mini speaker on your PC. The songs which have tunes are characterised by two things. An asterisk * appears on the extreme right hand side of the title line in the search results and there will be a reference to the file containing the tune which has a file extension of ".ex_" - 99% of the time this will be ".exe". Hence you can search the database and find songs with or without tunes. Unfortunately the tune files cannot use the common MIDI software to play, print or edit the tunes.

Submission of a new song complete with music is a rare occurrence. Without dwelling on past practices the common approach is for a Mudcatter to create a MIDI file of the tune which is then made available via The Mudcat Midi site. The tune can then be played or printed at will by anyone with the right software. Typically new tunes are added to the forum quite some time after the initial song lyrics are posted.

Editorial from JiB! Currently there are less than a dozen regular tune posters. In my opinion there are lots more people who have the ability (or can acquire it quickly) to address the deficit of several thousand tunes, and have a lot of fun/satifaction doing it. I'll leave until a later time how we may achieve this. Thanks for reading. Regards, John


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Feb 00 - 12:20 AM

Thanks, John. I know that will be helpful. I stil feel we need some clarification as to what exactly people who are new to this specific task of searching and noting which do not have tunes, need to do. Is there some kind of coordination so that people don't duplicate the work? Do we start a new thread for each letter of the alphabet? Etc.

Sorry, if this sounds a little fuzzy, but I think it needs to be speleld out very clearly so that more people can share the task and know what to do.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: alison
Date: 09 Feb 00 - 01:02 AM

Many of the songs listed above (which were orignally done as MIDItxt)... have been moved into Mudcat MIDIs

I know I started to work through the songs that didn't have tunes and got as far as "d" (I think).. as well as adding others that I knew... so all of the tunes I have done are at Mudcat MIDIs waiting to be harvested by Dick whenever he wants to....

Many of John's MIDI transcriptions are there too.. and other tunes composed or submitted by other Mudcatters...

Barry and Leslie's sites have heaps of tunes too..... Alan of Oz set this one up especially so that people wouldn't have to "translate" the red writing of MIDItxt which you used to have to do..... you won't have seen much of the red writing recently since it was superceded by Mudcat MIDIs.

If you go to the Mudcat MIDIs - site it will give you instructions on what to do... and please check there for tunes which are not in the DT before you redo something that may have been done before.

You can e-mail MIDIs, GIFs etc. to alan or I (addresses at the site) and we will put them on.... or scan or snail mail me music and I will make the MIDIs and put them on the site for you....

then we put a link into the appropriate thread to say that the tune is available.

If people want to create MIDIs... great.... just make sure they haven't been done before, and then send them to us so we can get them posted in the appropriate place until they make their way into the forum..

Thanks

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: DT lyrics without tunes (A)
From: Susan of DT
Date: 09 Feb 00 - 07:14 AM

We would LOVE to have tunes to more of the songs in the Digital Tradition. There are several reasons for the scarcity of tunes.
(1) Obviously most of the songs posted here are posted without tunes.
(2) Many of the songs contributed neither Dick nor I have ever heard.
(3) We did not begin to add tunes to the database until a few years after starting to enter words.
(4) It is not always clear whether a new version of a song shares the tune of another version we might have.
(5)And, of course, there is the lack of time to track everything down.
Every year or so I make a list of the songs without tunes and start listing which I have tunes for somewhere, but that never gets very far, so we can certainly use all your help with this. Work with Dick on this, since he is much better on tunes than I am.
    Thread closed temporarily because it's been a target for a heavy barrage of Spam. If you have something to add to the discussion, contact me and I'll reopen it.
    -Joe Offer-


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