BS: Philosophy and logic

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 09:39 PM

you are quite welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: Amos
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 09:39 PM

OK, Bruce. Thanks for the advice.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 09:27 PM

"obviously " ????

Having read extesively of the Greek philosophers, vary few accepted the theory of atoms, although it was talked about. How do you know that "None of the verbal beliefs you cite were real to anyone, "? I see no evidence, except your desire to support that viewpoint.

And I think you also need to be aware of your own false views, "they might provide some essential humility about your own certainties and the degree to which they are or are not absolutes."

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: Amos
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 09:22 PM

o, until there was agreement otherwise, the sun DID move around the earth? And the Pharohs were gods? and the world was made of air, fire, water, and earth?

NOW I understand you, Amos...


BeardedBruce:

No, you do not.

None of the verbal beliefs you cite were real to anyone, as far as I know. There may have been some few who saw those things, but obviously there was an overwhelming proportion of those who saw things otherwise! It is a simple enough affair to get people to give lip service to almost anything which will forward their self interest. Reality as it is perceived is a different thing altogether.

It is wise to remember the false views you mention, and quite a few others, because they might provide some essential humility about your own certainties and the degree to which they are or are not absolutes.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 09:07 PM

It's "Camptown ladies sing this song", isn't it?

So much for "Traditional American Folk Song as Zen Koan".

It'll never work if ya don't at least get the lyrics right.

I shall now return to being an idjit.

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 08:44 PM

Reality exists; you just can't contact it directly.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 08:21 PM

Perception is not reality. Much of what we perceive is illusion. As we are incapable of knowing exactly how much of what we perceive is real and how much is illusory, the argument can be made that "reality" doesn't really exist at all.

The Camptown Races sing this song: "Doo-dah, doo-dah"

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 08:03 PM

dear 'kindaloupe'...if you are bothering to read this *grin*..(we never NEED thread starters to come back..we just go merrily on...)\

just start reading here, and when you have digested this, come on back and we'll talk..*grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 07:53 PM

"Reality is the average of perception.   Things get more solid and less refutable in proportion to the amount of agreement that builds up around them."


So, until there was agreement otherwise, the sun DID move around the earth?

And the Pharohs were gods?

and the world was made of air, fire, water, and earth?



NOW I understand you, Amos...

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: Amos
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 07:47 PM

Perception and logic are from different parts of the jungle.

Logic is an innate sense of order and sequence in information. There are various kinds of logic possible.

Reality is the average of perception.   Things get more solid and less refutable in proportion to the amount of agreement that builds up around them.

Perception is an innate capability. The rest is overlay.

There -- now I have put my foot in it for another six months or so. Sigh.

Enjoy! :>D


A

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 07:04 PM

"Not to worry..."

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 04:46 PM

is individual interpation as long as not to cause pain to others the answer?

I vote for this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: *Laura*
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 04:39 PM

logic is what is logical and perception is what you percieve. Oh, wait.... that's no help at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 04:37 PM

Logic is the understanding you have......perception is the understanding you have....where do the two meet????
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 04:25 PM

Except, Bill D., where they're not.

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 04:21 PM

Maybe, maybe, pain can mean growth, Ok, Ok, yes, you too.

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 04:20 PM

"Is reality perception or is perception reality.."

well, it's the same...only different.

Subject: RE: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: Peace
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 04:17 PM

Yes, yes, yes, OK, OK, I'll try.

Subject: BS: Philosophy and logic
From: kindaloupehackenweez
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 04:16 PM

Is reality perception or is perception reality or is individual interpation as long as not to cause pain to others the answer?
Be Free, Be Happy, And make sure the world is good to ya all. Kindaloupehackenweez......PEACE....To all mudcatter dudes and dudetts.