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Merlin Banjo (and the Chicago Folk Scene)

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GUEST,Maurice 14 Dec 04 - 04:21 PM
Mooh 14 Dec 04 - 10:22 AM
GUEST,Mark Clark 13 Dec 04 - 11:41 PM
cool hand Tom 13 Dec 04 - 09:00 PM
GUEST,Art Thieme 13 Dec 04 - 08:54 PM
cool hand Tom 13 Dec 04 - 08:49 PM
cool hand Tom 13 Dec 04 - 08:33 PM
GUEST,Art Thieme 13 Dec 04 - 03:37 PM
katlaughing 13 Dec 04 - 10:21 AM
GUEST,Art Thieme 13 Dec 04 - 01:22 AM
RangerSteve 12 Dec 04 - 11:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: GUEST,Maurice
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 04:21 PM

Try Elderly Instruments, Lansing....they had a Merlin banjo in their "vintage" section of their website not long ago...I think it was regular 5-string, not longneck. Can't remember the price, but not expensive I think.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: Mooh
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 10:22 AM

There's a very cool example of a Merlin banjo at www.frets.com Frank Ford's ubersite of stringdom. Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: GUEST,Mark Clark
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 11:41 PM

I can remember the New Wine Singers but I don't think I've ever had a Merlin banjo in my hands. I remember hearing about them but that was as close as I got.

But Art, tell me about the location of the Rising Moon. I somehow recalled the old Rising Moon as being on Pearson between State and Rush or at least close to there. There was a sunken bar in the front but the back had a framed stage and dance floor and and railed balcony. I know you used to play there and Chad Mitchell when Paul Prestopino was backing them up. We use to hang out in the bar after hours with Hoyt Axton and his enterage. What *was* that place if not the Rising Moon?

Boy, this age thing just ain't working out.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: cool hand Tom
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 09:00 PM

Hi Art any links on the net for the New Wine Singers.

Regards Tom. If you still had that merlin id give ya $100 LOL


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 08:54 PM

I mean no offense to anyone by alluding to Pete's good Viet Nam era song--Waist Deep In The Big Muddy---with it's "fool" reference. This was 45 years ago we're talking about. I always enjoyed Bill Malloy's nusic and humor (as off the wall as my own) and those folks were pioneers. Few had ever heard of anything like a "fol nightclub". The New Wine Singers were pretty great for back then.   

Art


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: cool hand Tom
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 08:49 PM

Sorry i cannot get the link to work.

             Regards Tom.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: cool hand Tom
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 08:33 PM

Thank you very much for the info folks,and the stories about the Merlin in the shop u managed very interesting.My merlin is the standard G model with resonater which i take off as i mostly frail.Iv seen a few Merlins and all seem to have differences.I have a link here allmost exactly the same,ill post it at bottom.Mine has the original hard case with it which was abonus.I have heard that Tommy Makem gave his Merlin to Luke Kelly in the very late 60s early 70s.Mine plays very nicely and i must agree with it being neck heavy.I was originally looking for a long neck version so if anybody knows anybody who has one let me know.Here is a good set of pics of one like mine www.banjoworld.de/High323.htm


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 03:37 PM

Not much to tell---except that Bill Maloy played banjo in that group--The New Wine Singers and after they formed the Merlin company he always played that metal banjo.

One good thing: The neck never warped!!

The Merlin banjo was really amazing and fun to go over visually. The innovations were extaordinary. That spun fiberglass pot was just cool. And the workmanship (machining) amazing in that it left you feeling speechless at first. Then you'd just wonder WHY? Why had these people decided this was the way to go? I suspect it had something to do with the success of the Dobro resonator guitars---and the National all metal resonator guitars. But those had a real sound difference from the original wooden ones. These metal banjos sounded just like any decent banjo. They always hit me like making a solid metal apple. It was tasteless.

I do suspect the momentum and inertia (spelling?) took over. The idea sounded good. The money was found to begin, so they began!! Then the market took over---and changed their minds.

In all fairness, I must say there were numerous production problems as I recall it. That slowed everything down right from the start. Like the war in Iraq, as Pete said in his song, "The damn fools said to push on!!!"

Good bottom line.

Art


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 10:21 AM

Another story we want to hear, My Fine Art!! Jaysus...Grandpa Jones, Carlin and the rest, PLUS an obscure banjo!!! Tell us more, tell us more....:-)

luvyakat


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 01:22 AM

There was a time these things were said to be the coming thing in banjos around the Chicago folk scene. We tried to sell a couple of them at the store I was asst. manager of in '65-'66 and 67.(The Old Town Folklore Center---343 W. North Ave.) They were the most unbalanced banjos I've ever tried to hold up. Just plain heavey---on the neck side. The company gave one to Tommy Makem as I recall---hoping his playing it would bring more to try it. This was a time when long-neck banjos were extremely popular--and Merlin's main banjo was a long-neck model. Of course, it was Pete Seeger's influence that popularized the ong-neck Vega. If you were in a folk group, you had to have a long-neck banjo.

BILL MALLOY was a member of a pretty fine folk group called THE NEW WINE SINGERS. And Bill was a big part of the Merlin Banjo Company. This group owned, operated, and were the house act at a GREAT folk bar nightclub called THE RISING MOON. (1305 N. Wells Street--Old Town) The rest of that group were Arnie Lanza, Malcolm Hale and Gusty Herve. Gusty was replaced by Elaine "Spanky" McFarlane about '65. The Rising Moon burnt up one night around 65 or 66. A friend sent me a framed photo of the balcony at that club -- complete with the huge moose head -- AFTER the big fire. The huge burnt-to-a-crisp moose is too depressing to look at---so I never put it up. I'm thinking of donating it to the Old Town School Of Folk Music in Chicago.

Back to Merlin banjo's:

We always had one behind the counter at the Folklore Center to pick on. I always preferred to pick up Johnny Carbo's Gibson Mastertone if I had my choice. But when John had a gig, I had to use the Merlin. That's how I learned to play banjo. In '66 Grandpa Jones was doing a concert upstairs of the store at the Old Town School and he blew into town too early so he stopped into the shop. I was playing that Merlin banjo. He saw pretty quick I wasn't very good so he gave me a lesson that lasted about an hour and a half. That got me over a huge plateau I was stuck on where frailing was concerned. I've always been grateful to Grandpa Jones for doing that---for sure.

Nobody ever wanted that Merlin so I was allowed to buy it---for forty dollars if I remember right. Eventually I sold it---for my rent I think---one month when cash was tight.

By the way: After the Rising Moon burnt, another club went into that same renovated space on Wells St. This was MOTHER BLUES. It lasted quite a while and was grand place to hear music and hang out. Freddy Holstein had his apartment upstairs of the club and one night it was Fred and Malcolm Hale, George Carlin and myself---maybe Patty Talac too... But that's another story!

Fun memories!!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: RangerSteve
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 11:13 AM

A friend of a friend had one, but I don't know his hame or where he is these days. I also recall seeing a Tommy Makem record cover where he was holding a Merlin. I also remember that it had cone-shaped tuning pegs, with mother of pearl yin-yang symbols on the ends.


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Subject: RE: Merlin Banjo
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 03:14 AM

Froma search on google, it looks like you've got a pretty rare banjo there. Here's a little more info:

From This site:

The Merlin Mfg. Corp of Chicago, Il was formed in 1962/3 by Leonard
McCabe, Jay Smith and Bill Malloy. Merlin was to be a blend of modern
and traditional design. The instruments were made of aluminum and
fiberglass. The fretboard was ebony and the resonator was spun brass.
The neck was highly polsihed cast aluminum. The hoop or rim was
fiberglass. In 1965 the company stopped production after selling less
than 100 banjos.
Curtis McPeake


And, from a "capo mmuseum site, which also mentions McPeake: Capo shown on a Merlin scroll down to the "Small Cramp" title


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Subject: Merlin Banjo
From: cool hand Tom
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 12:53 AM

I have a Merlin Banjo it was made in the mid 60s and is made of aluminium neck ect with a fibreglass pot and 2 brass tone rings.The company went defunct in 1967 due to overprice and traditional players prefering wood.I know a great hero of mine Luke Kelly played one as did Tommy Makem for a time.

What i would love to know is if any of you good people can remember them or anyone who played them or any general comments ect.I have heard them being called the slippery pig,cold kiss of death ect.I love mine and would just like to know a little more.

Regards Tom.


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