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Subject: John of Paris No 1 From: Les in Chorlton Date: 12 Dec 04 - 11:03 AM I found this in Dave Townsend's English Dance Music Volume 1. Anybody know anything about it? |
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Subject: Tune Add: JOHN OF PARIS / NINETY-FIVE From: masato sakurai Date: 12 Dec 04 - 11:57 AM Is this (from The Fiddler's Companion) the same tune? JOHN OF PARIS. AKA and see "Ninety-Five." Scottish, English, Jig and Morris Dance Tune. G Major (Harding's, Kennedy, Raven, Wade): A Major (Kerr). Standard. AAB (Kerr): AABB (Hardings): AA'BA' (Kennedy, Raven, Wade). The tune has been used for a single step dance in the North-West England morris dance tradition. Revealing the alternate title to the tune, at least, lyrics to the tune go: |
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Subject: RE: John of Paris No 1 From: Les in Chorlton Date: 12 Dec 04 - 12:50 PM Thanks a lot Masato, that's most helpful. It does sound like Cock of the North and it does sound like a Morris jig. I first met the tune on the Albion Band album - I think the Battle of the Field on which Martin Carthy sings The Gallant Poacher: Come all you lads of high reknown That like to drink strong ale that's brown And pull the lofty pheasant down With your powder shot and gun And the moon shone bright Not a cloud insight.......... To a tune very close to JoP The tune in Dave Townsend's English Dance Music Volume 1 has 8 bars of A music then 8 bars of B followed by what is another 8 bars of A. It seems odd to play ABA ABA, I am no muscian but it seems like something is missing. And it is a good tune! |
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Subject: RE: John of Paris No 1 From: Les in Chorlton Date: 13 Dec 04 - 02:40 PM Any one familiar with this tune? |
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Subject: RE: John of Paris No 1 From: Selchie - (RH) Date: 14 Dec 04 - 03:30 AM Yes Les, I'm familiar with the tune. I dance with a North West side based in the Vale of Evesham. We do several Cheshire dances & our version of Alderley Edge is danced to John of Paris, it's a lively & energetic dance. I've emailed one of our musicians to see what she has to knows about it & which As & Bs she plays for us. M |
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Subject: RE: John of Paris No 1 From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 14 Dec 04 - 03:31 AM I thought it was a new fragrance for Xmas! RtS |
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Subject: RE: John of Paris No 1 From: Splott Man Date: 14 Dec 04 - 03:53 AM Although similar, and with the same lively rhythm, the John of Paris I know is a different tune from Martin Carthy's setting of The Gallant Poacher. But if it's called JOP No 1, it suggests there are variations, so I could be corrected on this. Where can I learn the notaion you use? regards Splott Man |
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Subject: RE: John of Paris No 1 From: treewind Date: 14 Dec 04 - 04:08 AM I also know it from playing it for a NW team many years ago. I knew it by a different title which I can't remember now, but it might have been the name of the dance anyway. There's an idea in the back of my head that you'll find it in O'Neill's "1001 Gems", in the "set dances" section near the end. (Haven't time to check now, just about to jump in the car and drive of to Hampshire for a recording session) Anahata |
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Subject: RE: John of Paris No 1 From: Les in Chorlton Date: 15 Dec 04 - 12:23 PM Thanks to you all. I think we are getting closer the link to Northwest morris sounds like a good lead. Dave Townsend also gives JoP No 2, I am no muso but it looks like a different tune. I checked O'Neill's and it does indeed have a possible link in The Dopwnfall of Paris but that also looks quite different. Trust you recording went well Anahata, you and Mary or serious session work with REM? |
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Subject: RE: John of Paris No 1 From: Les in Chorlton Date: 18 Dec 04 - 01:17 PM ???????????? |
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