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Subject: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 12:30 PM

Finally arrested:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4093067.stm


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: Peace
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 12:40 PM

Wouldn't it be nice to return him to the Chilean people?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 12:45 PM

Yup- and send that murdering SOB Henry Kissinger right along with him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: Peace
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 12:47 PM

It has always fascinated me that we can find homes and shelters for people like that--safe havens; why then do we have so much difficulty finding that for moms and their kids, old men on the benches and teenagers who have no family to live with?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: Maryrrf
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 02:48 PM

I'm glad to hear this. Back in the 70's when I lived in France I had many Chilean friends who were in exile (my husband at the time was one of them). At that time, shortly after the coup in '73, fully one tenth of Chile's population were political exiles - one million people in a country of 10 million. Many of them had been tortured and their loved ones had "disappeared". (My own brother in law was one of these "desaparecidos" - "disappeared people"). His family lived for decades not knowing his fate, until they finally learned what they had suspected all along - he'd been tortured to death, leaving a wife and a young son behind. It was far, far too late in coming, but still I'm glad to hear that Pinochet is being held accountable for some of his deeds and I hope he is still "lucid" enough to be aware of what is happening.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: ard mhacha
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 09:35 AM

Will the US role in sponsoring Pinochet`s terrorist regime be brought out in the Trial?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: dianavan
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 11:34 PM

So what is dear old Henry doing these days? Whatever it is, I'm sure its behind the scenes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: Peace
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 11:52 PM

He's changed identity under the witness protection program. Begs the question, "I wonder who's Kissinger now?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: Peace
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 11:54 PM

Maryrrf,

I apologize for the above post. It was done from thoughtlessness. I did not mean to trivialize the agonies of your extended family under AP. I am very sorry.

Sincerely,

Bruce Murdoch


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: number 6
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 11:57 PM

"Will the US role in sponsoring Pinochet`s terrorist regime be brought out in the Trial?"   ....   we could only wish for complete justice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 01:18 AM

Regarding dear old Henry and his role in Chile and in other world affairs:

I think it is safe to assume that he is still controlling Washington and Israel as well. If you look at what he did to the political climate in the U.S. during the Nixon era, we have the same thing happening today. It has Kissinger written all over it.

From an old article in the Texas Star, "He managed to do these things because of an extraordinary talent for duplicity (Israel's former prime minister Shimon Perez once observed, "With due respect to Kissinger, he is the most devious man I've ever met"), a psychotic need for secrecy, and an amazingly bloated vanity."

Sound like someone you know?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 01:27 AM

I hope Pinochet's trial goes all the way to Kissinger's protege, Negroponte!

From Wikepedia -

When President Bush announced Negroponte's appointment to the UN shortly after coming to office, it was met with widespread protest. However, the Bush administration did not back down and even went so far as to try to silence potential witnesses. On March 25 2001, the Los Angeles Times reported on the sudden deportation from the United States of several former Honduran death squad members who could have provided damaging testimony against Negroponte in his Senate confirmation hearings.

One of the deportees was General Luis Alonso Discua, founder of Battalion 3-16. In the preceding month, Washington had revoked the visa of Discua who was Honduras' Deputy Ambassador to the UN. Nonetheless, Discua went public with details of US support of Battalion 3-16.

Upon learning of Negroponte's nomination, Reed Brody of Human Rights Watch in New York commented:

When John Negroponte was ambassador he looked the other way when serious atrocities were committed. One would have to wonder what kind of message the Bush administration is sending about human rights by this appointment.

Negroponte in Iraq
On April 19, 2004, Negroponte was nominated by US President George W. Bush to be US ambassador to Iraq after the June 30 handover. He was confirmed by the United States Senate on May 6, 2004, by a vote of 95 to 3, and was officially sworn in on June 23, 2004, replacing L. Paul Bremer as the country's head American civilian official."


If there is a God, I hope these men will be brought to justice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: alanabit
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 02:13 AM

If there is a God, I fear it will be in the next world rather than this one. Had Pinochet been a nasty Communist dictator and murderer instead of a noble South American gentleman (with Friedman economic policies), his fate would have been sealed long ago.
I fear the best we can hope for, is that he will be stripped of the false dignity which he has been allowed to pose with. He is a nasty, devious, selfish criminal and I will be happy for that obvious fact to penetrate the heads of a few more people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: ard mhacha
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 08:48 AM

We also had to witness that other bastion of democracy Maggie Thatcher welcoming Pinochet to Britain like a long lost friend, what a parcel of hypocrites.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: Maryrrf
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 09:14 AM

No need to apologize, Brucie - no offense taken. All that is long in the past, but still I'm glad people still remember that there was another September 11th - the day a democratically elected government in Chile was violently overthrown with a great deal of collaboration from the United States government. Allende was treacherously murdered in the Presidential Palace and the aftermath was horrendous. When I was touring in Scotland in 2003 there was a lad at the Falkirk Folk Club who was the opening act. He apologized to me before he started saying he had prepared a song that dealt with Henry Kissinger and his role in the Chilean coup d'etat - said he didn't realize I was American. Not only was I not offended, I was so glad to know that it is still remembered even by people who weren't even born when it happened.   This led to my singing several Victor Jara songs that evening. As many of you may know, poet, singer and political activist Victor Jara was murdered in the National Soccer Stadium, which was turned into a slaughterhouse in the days after the coup. He was tortured and hands were cut off out of spite, because he had played his guitar at so many political rallys. Those were bad years, and the reign of terror lasted a long time. I'm sure none of the Americans who participated in this conspiracy will be prosecuted, and Pinochet is so old he probably hardly realizes what's going on, but better late than never.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hey Mr. Pinochet ...
From: Peace
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 02:09 PM

Thank you, Maryrrf.

There is a novel written by a Canadian named R Lance Hill. The book is entitled, "The Evil That Men Do." One of the chapters starts with a description of the stadium you mention and talks very powerfully of the activities that went on there.

Pinochet should be made dead. Period.


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