BS: BNP Leader Arrested

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 06:58 AM

"You are, however, free to think what you want. You are not free to use your power to influence others to hate."

Isn't that a bit self-contradictory? Aren't the people who are being 'influenced' also free to formulate their own opinions? All of us here have condemned the BNP, despite having been subjected to their propaganda. I doubt someone who was in no way rascist beforehand would be convinced by the ramblings of a group of neo-nazi idiots.

I do think the leader should be locked up, because he is evidently a dangerous man regardless of his political views. One doesn't stockpile illegal weapons unless one intends to use them, after all.
However, legislation that stifles in any way freedom of speech is open to abuse, not just by the present government but by any subsequent government. That has to be taken into account- even on the off-chance that Tony and his pals are acting with good intention, in this period of time when our liberties are being quietly taken away it's important to consider the future.

Just playinmg Devils advocate...

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 07:22 AM

BNP=Bloody Nasty People.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 07:30 AM

What we have is this controlling government wanting to even control our thoughts, with the liberal left acting as the 'Thought Police'
Personally I think the start of PC was the women's lib movement with all their de-sexing of titles like chairman. However one of the quotes I've heard about what this BNP guy said was that he described the Moslem religion as "wicked and cruel", which when looked at from western standards it is. I'm sure that if someone said that to me down the pub I'd agree. This is mainly because of their punishments for transgressions against their religion by its adherents, and what seems to me like their ante deluvian atitude towards their women.

Giok

PS You seem to be feeling better Harvey.;~)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Flash Company
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 10:00 AM

It seems to me that arresting the BNP guys is just what they want, it will give them free coverage in all the national newspapers in the build up to a General Election, anyone prepared to bet that it won't win votes for them?

FC

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 01:05 PM

Marty, Michael Savage is a hate-monger and a bigot. All a reasonable person has to do is listen to or read a little bit of his stuff to see that. Example:   a caller identifies himself to Savage as gay, and Savage tells him to "get AIDS and die!" That's just one, but it's typical. I could fill a couple of pages with the same kind of Michael Savage venom. The man is a pig. I see where you get your political opinions and social graces.

And try to get it right. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Communist Party. Nor do I get a "wonderful American made diability check" [sic]. I presume you intended to type "disability". My livelihood is earned. The rest of your libel doesn't merit answering.

The difference between you and Michael Savage is that Michael Savage has a radio program. The only place you have to spout off is on this forum.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 03:26 PM

No spouting, Don

And not liking someone for their culture is not the same as hating someone for their culture. All people like you do in your self-appointed self rightousness do an say is call someone a bigot when they don't agree with you. If I don't like gay lifestyles but not hate them, that does not make me a bigot. It just makes me a person who has an opinion and not afraid to say it.

what it makes you is a judge of nothing but your own self-appointed rightous ways, as I said before at this point I am glad there is the freedom of someone like Michael Savage to be on the air to say what he wants. No one is forcing you to listen, but if you did, you will see why your so called tolerance is about is phony as can be, and why your agenda has divided America.

I am not at all being libelous when I say that you are a moron. You can go ahead and listen to the likes of Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon which is whose opinions you parallel, not to mention fat ass Michael Moore, who is now only interested in promoting for a Golden globe Award. Your heroes, Don. Your spokespeople.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 04:31 PM

I don't call people bigots just because I don't agree with them, I call them bigots because they're bigots.

I, too, am glad that there is the freedom for people like Michael Savage, or you, for that matter, to express their views, no matter how hate-filled or asinine those opinions may be. But be aware that if the politicians you seem to favor—and twits like Savage—get their way, only they will be free to say what they want. Savage wants the various organizations that try to protect the First Amendment to be abolished because he disagrees with what they are trying to do: protect freedom of speech. Even his. The man is a Neanderthal (my apologies to Neanderthals).

And your method of discussion is to call anyone you disagree with a "moron." That, in itself, is pretty moronic. Get a clue.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 04:40 PM

Get a life.

you have none except your computer and you know it.

Keep listening to Al Franken. He's funny but that's all he is. He speaks your language. NoSpeak.

You are the king of psycho-babble, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 05:16 PM

Marty, it's impossible to have any kind of rational discussion with you because you won't discuss. You make an assertion, then if someone questions it, you start heaping abuse on them. That's the mark of someone who has strong opinions, but doesn't have a clue as to where those opinions came from. No thought processes involved, just pure, raw emotional reaction.

By the way, I don't listen to Al Franken. I find political commentators, even ones who share my viewpoint, to be a pretty much a waste of time. I already have a good idea of what they're going to say. I don't need them to tell me what to think. I'd rather concentrate on factual information, then form my own opinion.

As far as not having a life is concerned, I'll be away from the computer for the rest of the day. I have guitar students coming this afternoon. And what will you be doing, little man, other than sitting there at you computer trying to think up something nasty to say?

And as far as "psychobabble" is concerned, that's your department. You're psycho and about all you do is babble.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 05:34 PM

I will be playing a good paying gig tonight after I leave my good paying job.

I'll kiss my pretty wife and go.

You on ther other hand will no doubt teach your students how to whine and play guitar about as well as fingers on a chalkboard.

You are Al Franken's puppet, Don. He wants to own your butt hole.

You are so obsessed with what I say you will be back to check this first opportunity. If not, you will be trying to remember what it was like decades ago when you had your last erection so that it helps aleviate the blood flow pressure to your already smarmy swollen head.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 06:53 PM

Apart from obvious exceptions, this PC climate has made most of us afraid to say what we think in case we get called for being whatever 'ist' is in vogue. There is no more grey, everything is black or white and I for one am bored by it, there always was, and there always will be shades of opinion. Nobody is always right, just as nobody is always wrong, listen to what people say and how they say it, some of it might be good, don't just pick out the bit that floats your boat and condemn everything that is said. It's a bit like saying I hate congress just because you don't like one congressman.
Rant over.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 09:51 PM

Good rant, though, Giok. I am a prime example of what you describe, except in this setting, I am generally not afraid.

I look at it as a contest between politically correct and brutally honest.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: LadyJean
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 10:55 PM

In 1997 some people from the Ku Klux Klan got an opportunity to speak from the steps of the city county building. They attracted an impressive crowd, who were separated from them by chain link fences, and just about every cop in town.
For two hours they abused various races, mostly African Americans in the vilest, crudest, foulest language I have ever heard, including graphic descriptions of sex acts.
It was appallingly disgusting, and, of course the papers couldn't print what they said, and the tv news couldn't show it. Language like that doesn't play well in Pittsburgh.
Free speech gives assholes the right to shoot themselves in both feet repeatedly, as witness the KKK in Pittsburgh.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Peace
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 11:08 PM

It ain't the hats that's pointy. It's the heads.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP Leader Arrested
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 07:05 PM

Don't they have great time, these Yanks? People wanting their butt hole and the blood in their heads giving them erections......I wouldn't mind a night out with them fellers.

they certainly know how to live

the question is would you see all that if you went over there , or is that a scene they keep to themselves. Or are they just boasting - perhaps its just one bluegrass club where all this goes off.

You can see why its never caught on over here. You'd be lucky if someone put his hand on your knee in the wild rover. very lucky - its never happened to me.